*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

So after looking for a screwdriver around my house for the gpu screws and not finding any, bought this kit
Edit: it also folds up into a nice little kit

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Nobody has one yet so we won't know until later, but they seem like the kind of company that will work something out and go the extra mile.

 

Wanna link those Asus profiles? Not home right now so I cant use the googs very easily.

 

I would like to know as well.

I do not wish to speak for them, but it is my impression that they would get thier bios from Eurocom or MSI and thus have the same fate.

We're waiting basically.

 

that looks like a nice set.

 

Since the X4E2 is being sold with the 120hz option, what is the best guess or reason why it would be so difficult in getting the TF5's 120hz panel correctly working in its BIOS? .....different mb requirements?

 

Not that hard, but getting the bios back onto the laptop is an entirely different thing. the 3.09 can't be easily modified and upgraded.

 

Once I get mine I will of course put up a post detailing my experience, and this is one of the first things I will mention. I think I am the first person to order with the 120hz panel, and last I checked they were still being shipped from China last week. I'm not even sure they have shipped any units of this model out period, so maybe they will have a solution before then.

 

I meant to ask this as from the team of programmers point of view.......I assume Eurocom's r&d in this case. Since they have figured out how to implement the 120hz panel's requirements (whitelisted?) in the X4E2's bios, why would it be so difficult for them to do the same for the TF5? Not that it really matters but just curious.

 

I was contacted by a few of the larger sellers about the panel, so I expect they all have them for sale now, or will in the future. They will have better pricing then me I assume, on these panels too. I just can't order larger quantities :S however - I get to say the first people to order them was actually from me, back in December. That pride is all mine !

On that note, also had 7700K before it's official release, that was interesting, because I had no idea until someone pointed it out to me LOL.

 

I've been in Pre-Production for a few days so I'm hoping by Monday or Tuesday I get an update. My 960 Evo came in and I also got my SSD for game storage, so now I'm just waiting for the laptop proper.

 

You will have to ask them about this.

From my understanding is, anytime someone wants to have G-Sync enabled it has to be supported by the bios and it has to physically be possible.

We have it physically possible because we have a digital panel connection which means we can access direct control and stuff on the panel, AND the cards these days all have the programming and support for G-Sync built in (NVidia only of course, and pascal onwards) so it's just programming or writing it into the bios and then maybe some update to software or drivers somewhere.
I really wish I knew more on this subject, I've had to state a few times I'm just not the expert on this specifically.

Anyways, reliable source says it's being worked on, afraid I can not give specifics, because I'm not really allowed to mention people, think I've abused that right hahaha.
Though your all welcomed and encouraged to mention me on or off these forums wherever - whenever. I still feel like I'm one of the new guys here....

Anyways, I purchased some of these 120hz panels and they all seem to have come from the same batch or source or something, because they almost all had a single or double hot pixel in this one spot near the center.
Aside from that they were basically flawless, and when in use I did not notice the pixel, and to me visual fidelity is a thing I care about - so i initially thought this would bother me soo much more, and yet I couldn't find it most the time, even though I knew exactly where it was.

Going forward this wouldn't be acceptable, but the panels we had we ones before official release as well. I've been offered to return any, if anyone has hot pixel they can not stand, for replacement, I assume that means perfect panels ARE infact available.

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So on another topic : RAM

anyone running 3,000Mhz speeds on thier SO-DIMMS ?

If so can you share a MEMTest or the model and make of the RAM and give us some feedback, if you tried another RAM speed before, or how you got the 3,000Mhz working.
I ask this because I think we can not set RAM speeds in XTU nor inside the bios either , yet, and thus have to use timings that only have the 3,000Mhz table and not other speeds available.
I have not tested this specifically myself, so curious if anyone else got it running this way.

If you do not know what i mean, then let me explain abit, there are tools out there that can modify the spftable, the timings and speeds of the RAM.
The bios defaults to lowest JEDEDC standard or whats populated in profile one. I assume this.

profiles have ranges in them. Like it might have multiple numbers for each timing CAS, RAS tRCP etc.. like 14,15,16 etc.. and for the speeds too say 1200Mhz,1333Mhz,1500Mhz etc...

and then profile two would have different values or even same values, then theres one or two other profiles that can be there, known as XMP, extended memory profile or something like that, which is more aggressive profiles.
The more aggressive ones might start at CAS 14 and be 1500Mhz (3,000Mhz) only. Thus if your bios supports it and its enabled you can select that profile and it ignores the other slower settings etc..

some companies make money by selling RAM that is PLUG and PLAY and only has a single profile on it, which is aggressive to begin with, like PnP Kingston or some other brands along the same line. These chips don;t have the lower JEDEC timings and speeds on them.

You can though - create your own profiles with programs like Thaiphoon Burner or just copy/paste profile from another RAM. I sometimes buy budget g.skill and program it to have Kingston HyperX timings. Essentially this is what these larger RAM companies are doing, they all get the same chips from Samsung or Micron and assemble it to thier blank chips themselves (sometimes this is where the difference really is),
I think they bid on a range of chips produced, like higher binned more stable chips maybe come at a premium because they were also sold for more etc..

Some smaller startup companies I remember back in the day, were like MUSHKIN in the USA, which was and is a great company, they guys there are very friendly, and though I haven;t personally spoken to them in over a decade, they were my brand of choice back in the days of DDR2 , they're bigger now, but I think that's what they do, but being smaller I think they used to customise the chips this way. Almost a rebrand, or why we see so many companies for example that have the same samsung RAM

 

Yeah my screen has no hot pixels, but I assume a different batch than the ones you had.

But yeah the panel needs to be supported in the BIOS and the EC for G sync to work correctly. And the EC will need to be updated for brightness to be supported in the panel. I was trying to modify it in a hex editor a little bit ago and also tried AMIBCP but my version did not support their version they wrote it on, and then ran out of time ... I think I would rather play some games tonight than try to do some more code.

 

videogame time ! Me too, it's been ages since, but I'm playing Fallout 4 this weekend.

 

Just created my next FO4 character. Still early enough that feral ghouls can kick my ass. (I play on high difficulty.) Haven't decided yet what to do about factions, but the great thing about a Bethesda game is "the world is my oyster." Have fun!

 

Working on getting to plat in league of legends.. lol

 

Here is another great program to software dimm the 120Hz screen down. This one works really really good. I can barely tell its software based unless setting to very low levels.

https://www.pangobright.com/

 

Great find! After your input along with a few others, I can't see any reason to not go ahead and tell Eurocom to send this order with the 120hz panel. Thanks all.

 

yeah I'm on survival mode myself, and loaded tons of mods for new graphics and options.

 

Really like this one. Thanks!

 

is that what your using in the meantime ?

Good find, I agree.

 

At night this seems to work really really well. It has a few oddities to it, but yes I've been using it since it really does lower brightness.

 

Just upgraded from v309 to the unlocked bios of Svet (He found a way to unlock it... ask him for details)
First important thing that comes to mind is that BCLK is unlocked.

But so far i played only with the RAM OC Since i have 1x8gb Micron (2133) & 1x8gb Kingston (2400) running at 2133 CL15 ... i boosted them to 2400 CL13 1.2v (would not post at 2666 CL15 1.35v).

 

Never doubted for a second that he would be able to do it eventually. The hero we need

Is it a straight-forward flash, or do does it still involve "editing"?

 

It involves "editing" but it is nothing too complicated.

 

Anyone have any experience if the 1080 GTX is worth the upgrade. Had my brand new unit warrantied at Eurocom and it was an issue with both motherboard and video card. Inquired about exchanging the new replacement parts to upgrade to 1080 and 120hz monitor and was quoted $1195. Would be interested in hearing impressions.

 

does this includes the new processor too in the upgrade? while 1080gtx may help u get 120fps, in most shooters the 1070 will be suffice to do 100+fps ultra(no anti-aliasing, or few settings lowered). so imo honestly its not worth the price tag is alot too. but i think those who currently have 1080gtx will be more credible with the suggestion thn i do.

i can get 100+ fps easily on bf1 @ultra 1080p with 1070 (everything stock, no overclocking).

 

It's for the 1080gtx, compatible motherboard and 120hz monitor. They didn't specify whether it's an exchange is factored in as they will be keeping my previous 1070 and parts.

 

Yeah we need more heroes ... Svet, Prema ... Long live the heroes of our time Brave warriors that are not afraid of code in Chinese
If it was not for Prema i would probably never know about Eurocom ... probably would never buy one of their awesome notebooks.
TBH it took me some time to find out that the Tornado F5 is actually MSI board

 

120Hz monitor - definitely worth the upgrade I reckon! The GTX 1080, not so sure, I think the 1070 is just fine for gaming - I'd push for the 120Hz monitor while retaining the 1070 for a significantly lower upgrade price than the $1195 you were quoted. GTX 1080 gives about 25% more performance at stock, but I would imagine the 1070 would overclock more effectively than the 1080 due to increased thermal headroom therefore further narrowing the gap - (thoughts & experiences on this Tornado owners?).

I agree.

 

I just saw that the EVOC 16L is getting Prema's BIOS....come on man, HIDevolution is killing me. If I had waited only a couple weeks more, I could have got the same machine, cheaper with a delidded/CLLU 7700K AND Prema's BIOS.

 

Interesting... I thought Prema only did Sager/Clevo machines. Must have been a good deal.

 

This is the second time you ignored my recommendation to get a laptop from HIDevolution, first one was with the Clevo which you regretted and now with the 16L-G-1080

Maybe third time's a charm?

 

so I have tons of questions on what was unlocked...

 

I would say "everything", but i am lame and I really don't know all the "locked features" this laptop has
Considering the few options in the original bios and the list of options available in the modded bios ...
I shared what i know, for more information ask Svet directly.

 

well we need the BLK unlocked, and then the bios needs support because it can not maintain higher clocks with the 7700K like it can or could with the first version with the 6700K. Then we need access to the memory settings.

 

Excited to get the laptop back again. Still waiting on a tracking from @woodzstack

Is bios v3.09 the kaby lake initial support bios?

 

My new 120hz 5ms FHD panel arrived today (that was really fast shipping) but I won't have spare time to install it until Friday. I can't wait.

 

In the time you wrote that comment you could of installed it
But in all seriousness, it's super easy and when you do get time you will love it. I played some squad over the weekend and even swapped displays.. The 120hz was definitely noticeable.

 

Just want to say, i havent got the laptop back but @woodzstack was great to deal with during the troubleshooting and stuff.

I highly recommend this guy. And I rarely recommend anything. He cares about the individual customer.

 

I contacted Svet about unlocking the 1070's, as expected he is currently unable to do so.. I saw Prema is going to be working with the EVOC, I wonder if we will be able to get anything from Eurocom on the 1070 model after @Mr. Fox is complete with his testing/stressing.

 

@Prema has already unlocked Pascal vBIOS. We do not know what his plans are going to look like at this time.

The huge hurdle for everyone to deal with is flashing. NGREEDIA pulled out all the stops to screw their subjects this time around, and the only way to deal with their latest filthware is to break out the sledgehammer (SPI flash programmer). There are no methods available at this time to flash Pascal GPUs using software like NVFLASH and the chips are write protected. This anti-customer shenanigan has added a whole new dimension to the Green Goblin's treacherous modus operandi.

 

How much did that full SPI flash programmer kit cost?

 

Just a disclaimer for future purchasers that I upgraded to the 120hz monitor from Eurocom ($150 upgrade during my warranty) and they notified me it isn't gsync compatible as of yet (nor has brightness controls as pointed out earlier in the thread).

 

Yeah I knew this, but was hoping there was another way that had come about.. And to think I use to have access to one at my old job... Can't justify the cost right now....yet.... haha.

Usually start at 1k US and go up from there.

Yeah this has been discussed exclusively in this thread. We are waiting on the EC firmware and or Bios to be updated to included the monitor.

 

I flashed a new vBIOS to my desktop card yesterday (it was a self contained executable file - just needed to double click & it was done) (it was the update to cure the micron problem with GTX 1070 VRAM - results of the new vBIOS I wrote about here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ack-friday-deals.798132/page-12#post-10455066). Must be that the laptop versions of the cards are locked though, and desktops aren't?

 

I am not sure how the desktop GPUs are.

Could be it was signed and "allowed" as well. The signature crap has gotten out of hand. Was what you flashed official cancerware or a custom mod?

 

The vBIOS I got was supposedly from Zotac - an unnofficial release, but I can't verify the truth of that. I don't know if it was 'signed'. I've still got the vBIOS file & if I right click on the file & then go to Details tab it really doesn't tell me anything, there's not any 'certificates' or anything. (power limits & default clocks & clock behaviour are all the same as my previous vBIOS, so it's meant specifically for my SKU, only difference is better VRAM overclocking).

 

Man I impulse bought a ($235 CAD, usually at $339) 6600K thinking I should swap the 6700(nonK) in my Tornado F5 and sell it for a small profit. I still have two days to return it. Let me know what you guys think.

 

I just updated the Tornado F5 review with this new video. Next video will be the 120Hz display installation, and an addendum to the teardown video to show what I did with the CMOS battery relocation mod.