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Yeah, that figures. That's probably why they blame EVGA for Precision X bricking LVDS EDID instead of taking ownership of their mistakes with cancer drivers. I really hate those stupid lying bastards, but until AMD stops peddling worthless garbage for GPUs what better option do we have?

 

Nice, got a link to the wire ?

 

Sure. I'm surprised nobody else has asked for it yet. Here you go... http://www.ebay.com/itm/332068526980

 

Zero.. I am really really hoping the new AMD GPUS for mobile will be as good or better than Nvidia and be MXM 3.1

 

darnit !

 

Ah found one for Canada : http://www.ebay.com/itm/20Pairs-x-J...cf13469&pid=100008&rk=1&rkt=3&sd=232106851267

 

Customers tend to "not agree" Even when you explain it to them.

I just checked and my Asus has the wire the same way as your jumper wire.

I think i'm going to buy 2, 3 and 4 way wire jumpers for some future projects.

 

I understand this, but this isn't a customers laptop. Coming from somebody who spent a large amount of time as an electrician, color to color can mean the world to anyone not understanding.... Had an inspector fail me once for hooking a switchleg up to a switch and using a different color... Which you should...lol

 

Understandable when another person's safety is potentially at stake. When it truly does not matter in any shape, form or fashion (like in this case) sometimes engineers and safety inspectors can be unreasonable to the point of being absurd. Had I slid some heat shrink tubing on the wires to conceal their colors next to the end connector, nobody would have given it a second thought, LOL. Out of sight, out of mind.

 

You might be overthinking this. I'm talking about from a business point of view and not just a consumer. This works on a vast array of projects and not just a single personal MSI laptop. That is how I'm looking at it. Why? Because this is actually a great idea without people getting warranties voided later.

You know me. For me personally. Who cares.
Dealing with customers is a whole nother matter. And when colors don't match they have questions. Especially if it's red and black.

So if i can't find them with red on left and right, then I'll work something else out.

 

Alright everyone. Come to find out, just like @woodzstack said, I emailed @Donald@HIDevolution and checked in on the 120hz G-Sync. He informed me that they are not sure when they would get it due to a shortage.
So since it could be months before that comes in I need to go ahead an make a decision on a backup plan for when I go to order this in march sometime.

These are my options:
15.6" Full HD (1920x1080) IPS Antiglare Matte Type Display - with nVIDIA® G-SYNC™ Technology

15.6" Full HD (1920x1080) 120Hz ~ 5ms TN AUO (B156HTN05.2) Matte Type Display

So one way I get IPS and G-sync and another way I get the 120hz but no G-Sync. I know for right now the 120hz would be good but later once the GTX 1080 starts to not be as cutting edge the G-Stnc may come into more use. What are y'alls thoughts on what is better for the long run?

 

What was that ? I have the panels, I do not get the MOQ mind you, but I've had them before they were officially released too by AUO.
If you want perfect panels, it's going to take someone who gets them by 50's at a time to guarantee it. I've seen a few so far that I've gotten that end up with a hot pixel here and there, I once had one with 2 side by side, and a few were perfect.
However, I always offer the option, at a cost of time, to replace the panel, i.e send it back until I get one perfect when that happens.
Hypothetically if I had a site taking dozens of orders for these at a time, I would probably stop offering the panels, because I would have to make people either wait 4-5-6 weeks for supply - until that supply of course came in regularly.

 

I was just saying that like you said before with the we have all heard the available within two weeks routine and then them not be. Come to find out they won't be.

I was just looking for advise from everyone one which of the two available screens from HIDevolution would people go with.

 

I would

Get the 60Hz IPS G-Sync, and replace the panel with the 120Hz screen yourself. That way you have the 60Hz IPS G-Sync for later if G-Sync is never added to the 120Hz screen. As you said when the 1080 begins to struggle and cannot maintain anywhere near the 120FPS, the G-Sync screen will come in handy again.

 

Agree with @Talon. The 60Hz panel is very good. The only 'fault' it has is that it is not 120Hz. As far as 60Hz screens are concerned, I think it is really good.

 

Thanks for the awesome replies! Do y'all think it would be best to get the 120hz screen ordered from them now so it's under warranty and then later when the gsync comes in handy do a swap out for a 60hz or whatever is out at the time?

 

You're welcome. Glad to help.

Well, we can only assume things with NVIDIA. We assume G-Sync will follow (which should fix brightness control) but a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. The 60Hz panel is a nice one. If you really care about brightness control and G-Sync, probably should go that route because we can't count on NVIDIA giving the 120Hz panel their blessing until the fat lady sings. If your luck is anything like mine, if you go with the 60Hz the other panel will receive certification right away. If you buy the 120Hz panel it may never get certified, LOL. Murphy's Law. I can tell you that I like the 120Hz screen better, but I don't care about G-Sync. It's nice to enhance resale value because some people do care.

 

Well after fighting about half and hour with this thing, it actually worked! I may have had to use a hammer and a lot of fricking force (that silicon is no joke), but in the end I have to say it most likely wasn't worth the $10 cheaper. The ihs is so heavy compared to the CPU itself I was quite surprised how lightweight such a powerful CPU can me. The CPU nearly went through the plastic of the "delid tool." But thankfully the silicon gave up before that happened. enjoy some pictures below:



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Brother @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER - works fine on the DM3.

First Test - BIOS Default except PL1: 160W, PL2: 160W, Override Voltage: 1100, Core Ratio: 47x4 (80 Max), Cache Ratio: 42 (42 Max)

Second Test- Same as Above + ThrottleStop with Cache set at 1.0303V

 

True true. So you mind telling me some insight into why you don't like G-Sync? Because I would love the 120hz panel just from the videos I have seen. So I'm really considering the 120hz option anyway and then if I need gsync because the 1080 cant keep up later then I can change it out. But I would love to hear your thoughts on why gsync isn't your cup of tea.

 

No, I certainly don't mind. It's really very simple. Because I am not sensitive to screen tearing... old-school gamer that has almost no interest in anything except for FPS single-player games (with a few random exceptions) and my greater passion is in overclocked benching. I play games when I have nothing else to do, usually binge gaming, but I bench quite often. Simply stated, I don't like anything that lowers framerate, and G-Sync does. I don't really "hate" it per se, but it's inconvenient because I never use it. It's just one more thing I have to disable to get the best results benching. Now, having said that... I prefer having it in case I go to sell my machine later. People that want it will choose it over one just like it without G-Sync. Even so, having it offers me nothing that I place any value on personally. When I game I want to see the highest possible framerate, and a few minor screen glitches here or there goes unnoticed unless it is truly horrible because the game is a poorly coded piece of junk.

 

True true. So you mind telling me some insite into your thoughts for

Thanks for giving me your opinion!

Anyone else have any other thoughts on 120hz non GSync vs IPS GSync?

 

I would just get the stock panel and buy the other one later or ask HIDevolution if they can setup something where you can swap the panel and send the old one back later when they come in stock. I ordered the 120hz panel model the second it went up and it hasn't shipped yet, so I imagine there will still be a decent wait until they go out. I'm kinda with Mr Fox on the G-Sync thing, I have a 144hz G-Sync monitor and it doesn't even get used because my GPU is a 1070 and never really struggles at 1080p, so I can't really imagine needing it on a 1080 either. The one place I really think G-Sync is really helpful is 4K gaming, though.

 

I'm partly in Mr. Fox's camp. I really don't use G-Sync with my DT's as I am always on the bleeding edge of GPU's. I don't own any G-Sync compatible monitors, only Freesync which I never use. As for laptops, I see the value in it because often times, you don't replace the GPU (even if it is an MXM socket GPU). As the laptop ages, G-Sync will come into play OR you can get the 120hz panel without G-Sync and just buy a compatible monitor later down the line.

I haven't been online lately because I have been doing a lot of research on my next two DT builds. AMD & Intel. Plus I just purchased a P775DM3 from a friend that doesn't want it because it doesn't have a name brand attached.

 

Since we are talking about G-Sync, how about the Vsync in game settings? I see it in many games offering Vsync.

How about the Nvidia graphics panel? I think they have some kind of Vsync as well to be set globally.

 

I never thought I would like or want Gsync until I bought a monitor with it a year ago or so. Prior to that I had a 1ms 1080p 144Hz screen. After I got my 1440p 144hz gsync screen I can't go back without noticing. Having 120Hz laptop is amazing and is far superior to even 60Hz gsync, I Still miss and want it added eventually. It's one of those things that once you use it and get used to it you don't want to go back.

I just don't understand the BS behind it all. With a desktop I can swap monitors and get Gsync. Laptops have a long way to go in that regard. There is zero reason why a laptop originally sold with Gsync, has a gsync GPU and is using the same gsync certified screen used other laptops shouldn't be able to also use Gsync.

To above poster I have been using Fast Sync. As long as your fps are above 120fps fast sync kicks in and smooths out the gameplay.

 

Is G-sync really not activated? Because one of the posts @Mr. Fox mentioned was that 3dmark was warning him that he has g-sync enabled and had to disable it through Nvidia inspector

 

You would get the stock screen with the G-Sync and by the 120hz later, you got the 120hz screen that is on the site now and it has still not shipped, or you reserved the 120hz G-Sync screen for when they get it?

Yea I'm starting to think I should get the 120hz so it is really fluid while the 1080 is up to doing frame rates that high and maybe do a gsync screen later.

 

What I was saying was I would just get the regular 60hz model in the computer and see if they can let you swap it out later. I myself ordered the 120hz when it went up but it has not yet shipped, so it might just be faster for you to get the 60hz panel and now change it later based on how long my order is taking.

 

Oh I see what you're saying now. How long ago did you order it? That stinks that even though it's listed on their site it still isn't shipping.

 

1/27 is when I ordered it and 1/31 is when it went into "pre-production." I kind of wish the site had put a notice that they were not actually in-stock, but after ordering I did receive a follow-up call that informed me it would be a bit of a wait, so at least they told me afterwards. I haven't had any updates since, but I was informed about the BIOS testing so it's likely that HIDevolution is making sure everything is good before shipping any orders out, since then they don't have to do remote updates and can make sure G-Sync works, etc.

 

For probably but I the way I understood it when talking with @Donald@HIDevolution is when when that 120hz screen that is on the site now ships that it still will never support G-Sync. It's the wrong display entirely for that. Could be wron but he said there is the 20hz now, which sounds like the one you're getting once they work everything out, and then there's the 120 G-Sync that they are still trying to find a supplier for. So if you you thought you were getting a G-Sync you mind double check just to be safe. Would be supper frustrating to wait all this time and then it not be what it is.

@Donald@HIDevolution Can you clarify some of this?

 

Looks good and so do the temps!

 

Aw sweet the 120hz screen was supposed to be delivered on the 21st-23rd but now it's been updated to today!


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Awesome can you report back on if it's the exact screen/which revision is listed on the back.

Enjoy it!!

 

F%#@ man that sucks, you damaged it :


It was a valiant effort though.

Does the CPU still work ?
It might be severly degraded on the inside, but might not show on the outside too.
I hope it's not, I mean, but com'on man, I will delid your next CPU for you for free, if you promise not to try that sort of cheap tool again.
You could have done it by using a knife the old fashioned way. Your pictures show it was as bad a job as when Linus from Tech Tips "showed us" how to do it.

Still KUDOS ! on showing us all this, that takes some serious owning up to. Many people would not show this after the results.

 

What do you mean by severely degraded? Also, that damage you're talking about happened the first time I tried to delid it with a hand vice and it didn't work. Yes it still does work and the tool isn't that cheap, I just didn't have a bench vice like I was supposed to in order for it to work properly, so I should have the bought the $30 rocket kit and splurged.


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Yes. You should have bought the rockit 88
http://rockitcool.myshopify.com/collections/all
That is just way more professional and about 100 times easier i'm afraid.

Edit:

But don't worry...If you did mess it up. Just buy an overclock warranty for your chip. Not sure if it's a 30 day wait or not, but you would be able to replace the cpu 1 time under that warranty

 

Aw yea you guys, it's the right panel!! I knew Amazon wouldn't let me down

I won't be able to install it until a little later but I'll let you guys know how it is when I do. Also that means that you can buy it cheaper now than from that guy on eBay.

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Never ever use a knife.

 

Thats not a knife....

That's a knife

 

@Mr. Fox So how has the copper shim on your IHS and holes on the bottom cover affected your temps so far?

 

Awesome thanks for the link previously. I ordered it today and hopefully gets here next week! This would make the laptop even more amazing. Haven't been following this thread but glad I decided to check back in.

 

Wow I just realized this is the lowest priced GTX 1080 laptop available. I have subscribed to the thread, I have a lot of interest in this machine now.

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Still have not gone back together again with the shim and CLU. I keep taking it apart for other experiments, but the bottom cover mod does exactly what I wanted it to and I have debunked the idea the mod adversely affected MSI "engineering" it that way was intelligent. Just uploaded this YouTube video for my review thread. I used the settings (with minor tweaks) that Brother @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER was having me try the other day. More info with graphs and screen shots will be added to the EUROCOM Tornado F5 Mini-MonsterBook Review Thread this weekend. Enjoy...

You should be interested. It's really amazing, and very reasonably priced. See linked thread above.

 

Well unfortunately I had to cancel my order due to budgetary concerns, but @Donald@HIDevolution made the cancellation super easy and overall I was pretty happy with everything up until cancellation. I'll probably lurk this thread a bit and see where Mr Fox takes the hardware, I'm curious how far he can push it.

 

Nice video sir. Yeah I believe the OP Diversion actually did some experiments a while back at the start of this thread with the bottom cover completely off, he had some cooler results. While having the cover off might not be exactly practical, I believe making a couple more holes is definitely a start. Anymore airflow plans for the lid or possibly chassis?

 

Bro, where did you get the extra bottom cover? I can't find one. I want to have a spare as I will make my own air vent mod.

 

It was donated by our friends at @Eurocom Support support specifically for this experiment. I put together quite a bit of data for them (part of which is included in the video) for discussion with the "powers that be" in an upcoming meeting. Maybe we will all get lucky and end up with an updated cover with grilles over the fans that match the center section and CMOS batteries on the easy-to-get-to side of the motherboard going forward. Still can't believe there are system engineers that are retarded enough (or so sadistic) to make it difficult to access. I am going to mod the other one and send it back as a prototype along with a sample battery extension wire and a valiant motherboard that gave its life to save us all from crippled mediocrity.

Edit: review thread updated. For more details, see post # 227.

 

I did not see that, but it makes good sense. Benching on AC with the bottom cover removed is amazing. It keeps everything nice and chilly. I think my mods are about done. Might get some more CLU and put the shim back again. Temps are already pretty decent as is. At least better than I expected they would be, as I just have ordinary gamer-boy paste on it now (Gelid GC Extreme). Seems to run a little bit cooler with the Gelid than it did with Kryonaut. Hopefully, I won't have to tear it down for anything else except vBIOS mods for a good while so I can avoid disturbing the CPU for a year or two.

I did order a MyDigitalSSD 512GB BPX NVMe to compare thermals and performance with the 960 Pro. The 960 Pro is clearly the best, but I find it to be way too expensive and therefore offers poor value. So, I will be looking to demonstrate that the BPX is a much better bang-for-buck option, equal 5 year warranty and close enough to the same performance to make the cost of the 960 Pro impossible to justify.

I wasn't even looking to get another NVMe since I'm not particularly fond of it; rather, another X400 512GB M.2 SSD. But, the cost on the BPX was close enough to an X400 of equal capacity for me to not really be able to justify any hate for it based on price. I guess that I will find out if I am right or wasted my money in a few days, and share how the story ends as soon as I find out.