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    *** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

    Discussion in 'MSI Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Diversion, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. ssj92

    ssj92 Neutron Star

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    Question is...how reliable is it compared to the Samsung?
     
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    wilpang Notebook Consultant

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    Hi guys

    I've noticed something recently after playing on Witcher 3 for extended periods my laptop becomes sluggish. But the thing is it doesn't happen all the time, after it idles down to normal temperatures. There is no issue when gaming I can still multi-task with no problems.

    Only way to resolve seems to be a restart...
     
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    When it gets sluggish, what are the CPU and GPU temperatures? Only a guess, but I wouldn't be too surprised to learn that one or both are getting hot enough to throttle and impair your gaming experience. Run HWiFNO64 log and then use the log viewing app to check it out. That's the first place I would look for the reason. For more info, look at the content of this thread.

    I don't think anyone can answer that honestly. Both are relatively new products that haven't been on the market long enough to say. The 960 Pro's release was delayed repeatedly due to thermal issues. Both have 5 year warranty. That said, I have not had any SSD fail since the early days with the crappy OCZ abortion. I'm sure some do now and then, since nothing is ever perfect. I'm not too concerned about it, personally.
     
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    Too much undervolt can also cause this, not sure if you are undervolting.
     
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    I have used MydigitalSSD(BPX) SSD's for years and have never had an issue.. Hell the only SSD I ever had fail was an OCZ..twice actually.. And I have owned probably over 50 or so.

    So I had this issue, and it happened randomly... It was XTU changing my turbo boost power max to 1 watt, locking my CPU at 800Mhz 1 core. It would do it on it's own randomly, I would have to reboot to go back to steady state. Was driving me insane. The only way for me to fix it was for me to set an "overclock" changing the boost to above 95watts. I set it to 190W and have not had it happen since.

    I have no clue how or why it happened, but no joke XTU applied it on it's own randomly. Sometime I was just browsing the internet when it happened and other times I was playing games.

    I sent a bug report to intel but I know I will not receive a reply about it.

    EDIT:

    Forgot to mention, even after uninstall the issue persisted. Once I installed XTU the service seemed to always stay running even without the program, If I did a clean install of windows the issue did not come back until I reinstalled XTU, which is how I found the issue.
     
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    bloodhawk Derailer of threads.

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    Most definitely a way better VFM choice . I might actually pick one up next month.
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    I may have to grab that for my new build...

    Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk
     
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    This is a really excellent write-up, and lots of these points I try to get people to understand when I tell them to report problems and ask that they get passed on.

    Honestly, I do call things a Clevo all the time, because it's too difficult to remember every single model name. However, I can directly say that I always suggest vendors that I know will do a better job with machines. The thermal pad placements beyond stock that your company and HIDevolution do, the delids you both do on the desktop CPU models, all sorts of stuff. I always take it into consideration. When OEMs go above and beyond then there's reason to go through them. I wish there were more like you around. Please keep doing what you're doing, I thoroughly enjoy being able to support and suggest users to you.

    Also a question, do you deal with Australia as well?
     
  9. John@OBSIDIAN-PC

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    Thank you for your words.
    I guess i can ship anywhere but i don´t know how the tax system works there. When we ship to outside Europe we sell without tax, so that means -23% on the prices you see on our website. Then when it arrives to your country local tax policy applies (i dont have any idea how customs work down there).
    Shipping costs will probably be high too, it´s like sending to the other side of the planet :p
     
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    Interesting, I see. If you're selling with -23% on the prices and only import fees need be paid, then that sounds good.
     
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    On that MyDigitalSSD, I think part of the price reduction is due to lack of 3D V-NAND like the 960 EVO and Pro products have. It may not be much of a selling point for most, but I just wanted to point it out. I did find the brand on Tom's Hardware's best NVMe SSD listing of 2017, so that should also point to how good it is. Nice to see, definitely.
     
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    Hi,

    Yes I am undervolting using Throttlestop using -155.3 for CPU Core and Cache...

    My temps are pretty good so I can't see what is causing it.
     
  13. Mr. Fox

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    Probably too much undervolt. Try using -75 instead.
     
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    Too much undervolt can really cause weird problems, from crashes to audio noise.
    After changing undervolt values i always run AIDA Extreme stability test, good tool, enable everything but the HDD test. Run for around 20m and then stop it, sometimes it only crashes when you hit the stop button (also weird i know).
     
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    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    Typical scenario when you have gone too far with under Volt. You have to test CPU stability in various types of load. And not only under maximum load as some think.
     
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    Thank you guys,

    I will look to reduce aggressive undervolt and see if problems recurs.
     
  17. keftih

    keftih Notebook Evangelist

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    I am a fan of Asus RealBench. In my experience, it has found instability faster and more consistently than other stress tests. It places load on both the CPU and GPU, which is important because this notebooks has a shared cooling system.
     
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    Hey you guys, if anyone is thinking about buying the eurocom laptop right now and you haven't already, I say wait for amd Ryzen to be released because the cpus are going to be much cheaper. I can't wait to get my hands on a 7700k at finally an affordable price!


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  19. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    I do not think this will have a major impact on laptops with LGA. These compete against BGABOOK's. Expect about the same price as before :cool:
     
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    Then after they finally release one with Ryzen people will be saying wait for Intel's response CPUs that are coming soon. Then after that finally releases there will be an AMD refresh on the horizon to wait for.

    I just tend to buy what I can get into my budget when I'm ready to buy. There is ALWAYS something better coming soon. It's a fools errand to try to keep up unless you just constantly spend money on it.
     
  21. Mr. Fox

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    I totally understand what you are saying. If everything was right in the world of computing:
    • BGA turdbooks would not be the accepted norm and everyone would abhor this tech filth
    • OEM would not assume the role of dictators or succumb to any of Micro$loth's edicts
    • We would not need to do mods to make up for engineering incompetence
    • ODMs would build laptops as if they were working for our benefit
    • @Prema would need to find another place to use his talent
    • Firmware would not be used to castrate good hardware
    • We would not need to do mods to get full performance
    • Intel and NVIDIA would not have a monopoly
    • Overclocking would be easy for everyone
     
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    Quoted because it's accurate.
     
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    Hey did you have any luck with this, I can't get the MSI drivers to work either. Thanks!
     
  24. Mattsin

    Mattsin Notebook Consultant

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    I believe the latest version doesn't work with the F5, are you just looking for keyboard RGB functionality?
     
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    Yeah to customize colours, or atleast have the option to, what other features are available?
     
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    The rule is very simple:

    You can get an infinitely fast computer with infinite storage capacity, for free, if you wait an infinite amount of time. :)
     
  27. Mattsin

    Mattsin Notebook Consultant

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    For this, Eurocom uses a program called KLM, you can go to the F5 product page on eurocom, then go to the drivers tab and dowload the "Hotkey" section for your version of windows, you'll see KLM and a few tools in there. Should be what you're looking for.
     
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    Really interested in this:

    [​IMG]


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    I expect Within this is a reality, Intel is ready with a competitor for use in Clevo - MSI barbones. And 6 core Intel Trash processor is already on the paper for the TurdBook's.
     
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    Alright, this fan thing is starting to bother me. It just sounds off - in a slightly gritty, rattling manner, and is very noticeable when they ramp up past about 1000 RPM.

    It doesn't seem to be caused by vibrations in the chassis - I checked all the fan screws and they seem fine. It seems the noise is coming from the fan itself and I'm guessing it's an issue with the bearings (balance or lubrication or something like that).

    -Has anyone else experienced this? Any theories as to what the issue could be? In the GT62VR thread some other people had the issue as well, on multiple machines after getting replacements. Maybe it's just bad fan quality overall?

    -Does anyone know what kind of bearing is inside the fan? Would it make sense to try greasing them or should I not even bother?

    -Does anyone know the fan model and where to get a replacement if needed?


    I've contacted CyberpowerUK and asked for two replacement fans (they both have the issue but it's worse on the CPU side). Since I'm in Denmark, it would be a bit excessive to ship the entire laptop back to the UK for a minor fan issue.
     
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    My fans are very quiet. Almost disturbing how quiet they are. It makes me feel like they are not working even when they are. I wish they were more powerful even if it meant being louder, but I do not have any inappropriate rattling or objectionable noises like you describe.
     
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    Be silent.........be like a f0x :eek: :rolleyes:
     
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    Have you checked to make sure the fan blades are not contacting another object? I have seen this type of sound caused by one of the fan's own power leads just slightly scraping against the blades.
     
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    Dear Intel: Make a 6 or 8 core CPU that drops into an LGA1150 socket to replace my 7700K. Then please, take my money!

    With the amount of VMware, SQL, source compiles, and other multi-threaded things I do, I would gladly take a hit in raw clock speed if I could bump my number of cores.
     
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    So i received my 120hz LCD screen (B156HTN05.2.). Big thanks to Mr. Fox's tutorial on youtube! I was able to easily change out the LCD screen to the 120hz without any major issues.

    I ordered the one on Amazon for $98. Unfortunately, it had a vertical line and 1 dead pixel so I am getting it exchanged for a new one. Barely noticeable during gaming but enough to bug me. The 120hz is amazing!

    Couple of questions for those who have changed it. As mentioned previously, the brightness is at 100% for the most part. Is there anyway to control this and dim it a bit? After awhile it hurts my eyes. Seems that even software controls don't appear to work?

    Secondly, are there any alternative 120hz screens that are a better fit for this laptop yet? Is there one in the works by Eurocom that will eventually be available with G-Sync?
     
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    If you search the forum these questions were answered already (on my phone on the go or I would find it and point you there)

    Short answer is this panel is the only one and brightness control and G-Sync are being worked on with no ETA.

    Sent from a 128th Legion Stormtrooper 6P
     
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    I see thanks. I've searched but couldn't find any alternative solutions or any new findings. Guess there aren't any.
     
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    @hfm is correct. I, @Talon and @birdyhands, and probably several others that I am not aware of, have the 120Hz screen. Brightness control does not work and G-Sync is not available in NVIDIA Control Panel. I really like the screen and would do it all over again knowing the same. It's better than the 60Hz screen with brightness control and G-Sync working in my personal opinion.

    I'd like to have both of those fixed just so I can have the satisfaction of knowing that everything works 100%. That would also be nice if I were to ever sell it. But, for me and the way I use the machine it does not matter than neither brightness control nor G-Sync are working. I do not use either of those features.
     
  39. cavell219

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    Pango booster or something like that. Im on my surface no my monsterbook. When i am on it possibly not until tomorrow but I will post the link to it if you don't have it beforehand.
     
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    I have the same issue with my. My laptop is at Eurocom to maybe replace the gpu. I'll call them on Monday to see about that fan issue and some issues with those new bios.

    What a mess of a laptop this laptop has been. First new laptop in 9 years and the thing is crap. I buy nothing but used laptops and never had this many issues with anything used, oh no I get it when I buy new.
     
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    I actually had the same idea but the problem is that the exhaust vent is on the back and also the vent is bigger than the cooler. The cooler is gonna block your monitor angle making it impossible to angle it further back.

    I asked the seller about this for this particular laptop and they said similar stuff to the one I just wrote.
     
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    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist

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    I have no idea. I've never used one of those before. Personally, I don't like the idea of sticking something tacky on the back of it like that.

    Have you already done the important stuff inside of the chassis, like de-lid and using Liquid Ultra?
    I am so sorry to hear that. I really love this one.

    It's sad that you got a lemon. I hope that @Eurocom Support resolves everything to your complete satisfaction.
     
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    Not yet. Will report back Tuesday.
     
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    There's no visible foreign object obstruction when I take off the cover and inspect the fans. Do I have to remove the fans to be sure?

    And it's not really a super mechanical/physical sound (like if something was caught in the blades). It's this low kind of rumble - almost engine like; as if there was a tiny diesel generator inside the laptop.

    I'm guessing the fans are slightly off axis or something like that. But I don't know enough about it to say for sure or how to remedy it, if possible. I'd rather not disassemble the fans without having some replacements to install if something goes wrong.

    Someone made a video about the problem on their GT62VR. If you listen with headphones, the sound is very distinct next to the usual "fans moving a lot of air" sounds:
     
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    Nice to hear that you bought the 120hz! Welcome to the smooth gameplay club. Sorry to hear about the line on the screen but when I received mine, it only had a stuck pixel in the bottom corner which only is visible at certain colors. Doesn't bother me during gameplay. Cs go 120hz is so amazing, I used to get hammered with the 60hz but now everything is super smooth and I feel like I can get a kill once in a while. I also won a sniper war in gta v online a couple days ago and I think this screen is part of the reason why. If the brightness is too much for you, you can search up an application called "flux" on google and install it. It gives the whites a sort of yellowish tone but not enough to bother me during games. And gsync may or may not be enabled depending on eurocoms ability to implement it in the next bios update but I have no doubt they can do it. ;)


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  48. Mr. Fox

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    Here is what Brother @cavell219 was referring to. I've not used it before. http://download.cnet.com/PangoBright/3000-2072_4-75327791.html

    There is this one as well... http://www.nelsonpires.com/software/dimmer/ that I haven't tried.

    I have used DimScreen app, which you can get here... http://www.donationcoder.com/Software/Skrommel/ and it works fine. It's 100% portable and doesn't use any resources to speak of... 2.1MB of memory and 0% CPU utilization.
     
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    Hmmmm... Now where have I heard this before? ;) ;)
     
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    I heard there's talk of a Ryzen version... If that's true I'll be on it like white on rice.

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