*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

Thanks man! Pango is also a "portable" app and takes no resources.

 

Thank you much appreciated!

 

So my Rockit Cool 88 Delid tool came today and I am pissed off to say the least. First it didn't come with the three holder screws, to keep both sides of the bodies together. I thought, honest mistake, I'll e-mail the company later and they'll send me the screws, in the meantime I have plenty of screws I can use lying around. I tried several screws and then realized, the holes aren't threaded.

You would think the quality control for a small company would be better. The invoice had a signature on it, which means someone had to check what was shipped out. I spent 44 dollars (28 for the white body, 8 for the relid kit and 8 for shipping) for a tool that won't work. I'm better off using a razor. End Rant.

EDIT: I know why the three screws weren't included; the clear plastic bag the delid tool came in has tape over where the Allen wrench is. Clearly someone took out the screws from the bag and taped it close.

 

That's wild, never heard of such a thing from them, although lately their website has been up and down with their ordering system on the fritz. Maybe a bit of chaos has entered their systems.

I'd send it back and ask for another one.

 

Lay it on a flat surface after making sure it is lined up, and hold it down with one palm and your body weight. Screw to delid! Little bit risky, but not as much a razor blade

 

The problem I foresee is that they can argue that I removed the screws myself but there can't be any argument over the non-threaded holes. I will keep you all updated but for now, I'd be cautious ordering from them.

 

Well mine came in a speedy manner, with everything. I think with the relid tool and all i paid about $38 or something.

 

I have to admit it did come really fast, all things consider, but a defective tool is a defective tool. I'll do the "body weight trick" as you suggested and hopefully I don't fudge my three processors up.

 

That it is, i hope they sort it out for you in a speedy manner.

 

Mine arrived with two top halves. I emailed Rockit and the guy was very apologetic, and over-nighted me the missing piece (at no cost). My guess is that it's one very overworked guy packaging and mailing these things out.

 

Taking into account reliability, perf and heat: should I go for 850 evo 500gb at 179€ or Crucial MX300 at 140€? M.2 or SATA?
I'am bit tied on budget. Plan to add more disk later.

 

If you're planning on adding more later get the cheaper one.

Sent from a 128th Legion Stormtrooper 6P

 

Reliability, performance and heat... Samsung 850 Evo for sure. There's a reason it's the most sold SSD, ever.

::iunlock::

 

850 Evo

 

Save the $ and go for the Crucial, they work great too. I had the BX200 x 4 RAID0 and it ran cooler than the Evo 850 x 4 RAID0 and about the same speed. Whatever fits, M.2 or 2.5".

 

ie...can't go wrong with either. Only because it's Crucial, which I have used with zero issues in the past as well in my Mac's.

 

Hello guys. I'm a new user here, I placed my order with HIDevolution.com with support from Ted (very friendly guy!). I'm moving away from my beaten up MSI GS70 Stealth Pro 212 (GTX 870m 6GB) 2014 model.

I was looking for a new laptop with a bigger punch, replacement ability for all parts and smaller foot print (size matters!)

The Tornado F5/EVOC does the job, nothing beats it. What reinforced my purchase decision was the ON TIME review by Mr.Fox YouTube videos of the Tornado F5, Eurocom videos, NBR review and finally Ted from HIDevolution (albeit on the slow side, they are busy guys so I cut them some donuts )

Here are the specs to my order copy pasted, excuse the amount of words, it will be on my next post.

 

Copy pasted from the site:

EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Custom Built Gaming Laptop w/ nVIDIA GTX 1080

Free Game Bundles
Watch Dogs 2 GeForce GTX Bundle Includes A Full-Game Download For PC
LCD Panel
15.6" 4K UHD (3840x2160) Samsung PLS (LTN156FL02-101) Matte Type Display - with nVIDIA® G-SYNC™ Technology - $125.00
Display Warranty
None - up to 3 lit pixels considered OK
Video Card
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 w/ 8GB GDDR5 X w/ G-Sync Technology
Prema Custom BIOS
Prema Custom BIOS - Latest Updated Version once available - Contact us for details
Processor
HIDevolution Delidded - Unlocked, Under Volted and Overclocked 7th Generation Intel Core i7-7700K Quad Core Processor, 4.2 GHz (HIDevolution Overclocked to 4.7GHz) - GUARANTEED Performance (Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra includ - $120.00
Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra + IC Diamond for Delidded CPU
Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra 100% Metal Thermal Interface + IC Diamond on CPU, IC Diamond on GPU
Memory
16GB (2 x 8GB) Dual Channel DDR4/2400MHz - $50.00
RAID Options
no RAID (1st drive as primary boot drive, 2nd drive as storage drive)
M.2 SSD Slot 1 (supports M.2 PCIe and SATA)
Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe 3D-VNAND SSD - Up to 3,200 MB/s Read-1,900 MB/s Write - $530.00
M.2 PCIe NVMe or SATA SSD Slot 2
None
2.5" HDD/SSD Bay
Empty HDD bay (with caddy/adapter) - -$30.00
Wireless Cards
Intel® Wireless-AC 8265 802.11 ac/a/b/g/n 2x2 NGFF w/ Bluetooth 4.2
Operating System
Genuine Windows® 10 Home, 64bit, English - $80.00
Office Software
None
Power Adapter
330W AC Power Adapter (supports 100-240V)
Battery Options
1 x 8 cell battery - 75.24Wh
Audio
Dynaudio Tech Speakers Speakers x 2
Back-lit Gaming Keyboard
Full-color Backlit Programmable Gaming Keyboard (US English)
Branding
EVOC Logo on LCD Cover and Bezel
Warranty and Service
1 Year HIDevolution Limited U.S. Warranty + LIFETIME HIDevolution Technical Support

 

Congrats, you will love it. Love mine. Just remember with getting the 4k panel from the start you are getting a 40 pin to 40 pin eDP cable(for the display) You will be unable to swap it for the 120hz panel referenced in this thread alot without also replacing the cable. Just trying to save you a headache later if you want one. If you only want the 4k panel ignore this comment . In time there will be more 40 pin screens, and hopefully some high refresh ones.

 

Thank you, I already have a desktop for gaming with QHD 144Hz G-Sync monitor, I play most FPS games on it with high speed fiber internet. I took 4K screen because of offline gaming i.e Skyrim/Mass Effect etc...plus I like beautiful scenes in games

 

I definitely like high res for RPGs. Witcher 3 on Ultra @4K only runs at 30FPS for me but I prefer that to getting 60FPS @1080p for W3.

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Oh is it with hair works on?

 

I think sometimes people also forget that at 4K you can probably turn off anti-aliasing, and either scale back or turn off anisotropic filtering. Both of these are GPU resource hogs.

 

yes everything ultra hairworks x8, with the ultra reshade 3.0 im getting over 30fps @4k.

 

witcher 3 looks amazing even @1080p. getting 60 makes this game so much better.

 

Anisotropic Filtering is not a resource hog at all though, x16 Anisotropic Filtering is virtually a free setting with almost zero performance penalty - modern cards since Kepler are all very good at Aniso x16. Anti-aliasing is costly though for the MSAA varieties, but not more costly than 4K vs 1080p (4K meaning that x4 the amount of pixels need to be rendered than 1080p). 4K is a little too much for native gaming at the moment in a laptop, at least when it comes to triple AAA games & modern titles. (GTX 1080 sli laptops could have a good stab at 4K though!)

 

W3 is the only game I've played so far that doesn't get 60fps with 4k and I have a 1070. The 1080 should perform better.

A better choice for some might be 2.5K or 3K 120fps panel.

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I'm not sure I agree that anisotropic is virtually free, but to be fair I don't have my new GTX 1080 laptop yet -- my current gaming system is several generations back. So you may be right on the newer GPUs.

I think we're saying essentially the same thing on MSAA. My point was that if you already have a 4K native resolution, there is no point spending resources multi-sampling pixels that are already smaller than your eye can see. 4K with no MSAA is visually close to 1080p with 4X MSAA, although MSAA calculations are typically less complex (and can be offloaded lower down the stack) than truly rendering worldspace at 4K.

My intent wasn't to imply that 4K without MSAA or AF would be as fast as 1080P with those features, but rather that if you are running 4K you can squeeze out a bit more FPS by turning off MSAA and AF that are not giving you very much visual improvement.

 

I think 120Hz screen has to be 1080p really, 120fps at anything above 1080p is not reliably attained with a GTX 1070/GTX 1080. Fallout 4 is one game I've tried with DSR 4K setting & it was like a slideshow in the 30fps area, and that's on a pretty heavily overclocked GTX 1070 (achieving a stable 2025Mhz boost clock during that particular experience). Some games you can manage 4K with a 1070, but you need to sacrifice details and/or accept 30fps.

Yeah, I think you're right about not needing MSAA if you're running 4K on a laptop - I can't speak from experience, but I can imagine at that massive resolution on a 'small' screen that you would not see jaggies.

EDIT: On anisotropic x16 filtering point being virtually free, find anisotropic at this link & see the graph, it's pretty free really:
http://www.geforce.co.uk/whats-new/guides/fallout-4-graphics-performance-and-tweaking-guide

 

That's a great link, @Robbo99999, thanks!

After reviewing that, I'm going to say "I stand corrected" about the performance impact on modern GPUs. The good news for me is that I upgraded my gaming tower from a 670 to a 960 recently, and it looks like I'm now able to switch on some of these features after all! (Yay!)

I looked at the demo screen shots zoomed full-screen on my Macbook Pro Retina, which is a 15.6" machine with effectively 3K resolution. My conclusion is that I was right about MSAA or FXAA basically being wasted on a high-DPI screen, but I did not take into account that Fallout 4 is using temporal antialiasing. That's a different ballgame entirely, and less impacted by screen DPI.

TL;DR: I think you are mostly right, and I was mostly wrong, and I stand corrected now that I have updated my knowledge. Thanks for the information!

 

For me FO4 runs at 60fps $ 4K. I selected max setting though maybe I'm missing something.

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Fair enough, it does depend where you are. I tested in the place in the game where I've seen the lowest fps so far, I can't remember the name of the city, but it was by the river in that area. I should probably say I was running ugrids=7 (up from default 5), and the official high resolution texture pack (although the pack doesn't affect fps apparently). But I'd be kinda surpised if it can get 60fps on default max settings in most places at 4K.

EDIT: but I'm still not convinced the GTX 1070 is a 4K card, have a look at the game benchmarks at 4K at the bottom of this page:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1070-Laptop.169549.0.html
Most of them seem to be in the 30's & 40's for frames per second, and that's only at 'High' graphics settings, not Ultra. Fallout 4 at that link above was also in the 30's & 40's & that wasn't on Ultra settings either.

 

That's alright, it's good to share info. (Here's another game where Anisotropic Filtering x16 costs even less, effectively nothing over bilinear filtering: http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/guides/titanfall-2-graphics-performance-and-tweaking-guide)

 

How is the audio on this laptop? Not concerned too much about the speaker although they look better than the P750DM and most other laptops in this size range, but how about the headphone jacks/DAC? I've heard good things about the Sabre DAC on the P750DM-2, how does this laptop compare to that? Does it have the power to drive high impedance headphones?

I know it's a bit of an odd question, but do the screws on the bottom of the laptop stay in the panel when you unscrew them (I don't know how to explain it) or do they come all the way out? Curious if I were to be traveling on a plane using this and wanted to switch batteries when one died if it would at all be practical to try and do so or kind of out of the question lol.

 

audio from headphone is ok. not the best tho. about the screw, i travel alot and i often change the 2.5 inch hard drive so i have remove the 6 screws altogether. the clips are firm enough to hold the back and its way easier to to remove it when travelling.

 

Will the Nvidia price drop on the 1070/1080 be reflected in the Eurocom prices for the Tornado?

 

Only the desktop prices dropped on the 1070 and 1080. I dont think Nvdia will drop any prices on the laptop versions. Nvdia has the high end laptop graphics market to itself.

 

not unless amd releases high end mobile GPUS.

 

The only thing I see with AMD Vega is that the desktop version will come out first and who knows when the mobile version will come out.

 

For anyone thinking about buying this laptop in the UK/Europe, Cyberpower has a really good sale! Overall works out to about 25 percent off the original price, and I think it is currently the cheapest laptop with 1060 or 1070 on the market http://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/system/Fangbook_4_XTREME_G-SYNC_1070/ http://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/system/Fangbook_4_XTREME_G-SYNC_1060/
Im assuming this is because of the Ryzen launch tomorrow, however I doubt even with Ryzen it will be as affordable as of right now.

 

Hi,
I have the same problem: I bought a 7700k but I need a bios update. Did you finally get it?

 

did u ask eurocom support? just send them the message with ur invoice and they'll send it to you.

 

Just a heads up, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know the latest bios with 7700k support is locked at 4.4 GHz.

 

I just ordered this laptop from HIDevolution, they list it as an overclockable 7700K to 4.7Ghz, how could they overclock it if it is only limited to 4.4Ghz by the Bios? The 7700k boosts to 4.5Ghz on it's own on stock speed....

 

They are using the Prema Bios if I am not mistaken. @Mr. Fox is using the same laptop with Prema Bios but just from a different seller(Eurocom). He already achieved 5 or 5.2GHZ I think on this thread below:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/eurocom-tornado-f5-mini-monsterbook-review-thread.800796/

 

Here's an update: after about 20 emails back and forth with the Cyberpower UK support department, this is what's going on:

• They refuse to outright send me a new set of fans for me to install myself
• They are willing to send me a new set if I send the old ones back first, and if I pay shipping both ways
• In order for them to send the fans FIRST, and then have me send back the old ones once I've done the installation (which I prefer, just in case), I have to pay for the new set in advance (plus shipping both ways). When they receive the old fans from me, I'll be reimbursed for the new set.

This is shockingly poor customer support for a £1800/$2200 laptop. And that they're selling it with a £400 discount right now (that's roughly 20% off compared to what I paid a month ago) and still behave this this rigidly really baffles me.

It would've been the EASIEST thing for them to say: "We're really sorry about the fans, dude. Here's a new set on us". It would have been a cheap way to gain so much goodwill and would've given me a positive experience with both their sales and support departments (which I would've talked about here = free PR).

Now, instead I have to pay a £24 deposit for a new set of fans, £24 for shipping and probably about the same amount to send the old ones back (which means I might as well just keep them and forfeit the deposit). Which in effect means that I have to pay extra because THEY sent me a laptop with suboptimal fans. What the actual ****?

I love this machine and I really wanted to have a positive experience with Cyberpower UK. But instead they've made it a big hassle to replace two fans that had a defect from the start, and forcing me to write negatively about the whole experience. That's really not cool.

 

To my knowledge @Prema has not released a BIOS to his partner shops (Eurocom and HIDevolution) for this model. Until he does, individuals would need to contact Svet for assistance. You can use XTU and ThrottleStop for overclocking with the stock BIOS, but the only way to use XMP or manual memory settings is with a BIOS mod. The stock BIOS does not support any changes to memory speeds or timings.

 

Wait, isn't the schenker DTR 15 the same laptop but far cheaper? I configured the tornado f5 and the Schenker and the latter was £300 cheaper!
What is the difference between these 2?

https://www.mysn.de/schenker-dtr-laptops/schenker-dtr15

Also apparently the tornado f5/ f7 may be equipped with the desktop 8 core ryzen...

 

No, that is totally different. It's a Clevo. Still a good machine overall, but inferior in several ways. The keyboard on the Tornado is nicer, build quality a shade better than the Clevo and the cooling system is more effective. The Achilles heel on the Clevo is a unified heat sink. I would say the price difference is worth every penny.

Check with Eurocom to see if they can do better on the price and reach out to Brother @Donald@HIDevolution to see how close they can get to Schenker's price on the Clevo you are comparing it to.

There are no laptops with desktop 8 core Ryzen CPU. Maybe someday, but no word that anyone is even considering that at this point. At least not that I have heard.

 

The 7700K delidding process has started with the Rockit88. The easiest delid I've ever done in my life. Where is that damn electric tape...

EDIT: I should have purchased some thicker thermal pads. The pads on the machine are ripped and I only have 0.5mm...bah.