*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

there are currently more thn 1 bios for 7700k, one of them is locked @4.4ghz. not every 7700k user have the lock version some of the kabylake user got the machine without the lock clock check version.

 

Yeah I guess I never saw low frame rates for FO4 @4k. Doom on ultra is consistently 60fps. W3 is the only game that drops to 30 for me.

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Recent bios is now locked. Out of my control, but it was NOT locked before, they are being received LOCKED.

On side note, I have a few left that are NOT locked, and I also have the 780W PSU. The build quality is amazing on this PSU! I love it. Stays cool, looks good, and is a solid piece of craftsmanship.

 

Oh really, did not know that. Could someone here with a stock Eurocom bios that supports over 4.4 GHz on the 7700k please post there bios version please.

 

I'm going to ask Ted at HIDevolution about the Bios....

 

Those unlocked ones are the newer laptops that support the 7700k?

 

i think unlocked ones are the first batch of 7700k shipment. @Rage Set got the 1st kaby lake and it was unlocked. others have most likely locked @4.4. the one with locked multiplier can not be downgraded i think. u can however try to contact Svet over MSI forums, i believe he found a way to unlocked the the newer bios.

 

Yes, definitely contact SVET. I have the 309 BIOS (the 7700K supported bios) unlocked by him (i believe i was the first one, since it took him some time). I have 6700K, but i also have 7700K that have still not installed And he said there should be no issues.

 

its seems amd ryzen isnt as great in gaming as it was made out in early leaks. even 7700k beating 1800x in every games so far tested.

 

lol, really ? Any citations for this, specifically ?

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-cpu,4951-6.html

I read a review at another top tech website ... similar results.
AMD was throwing dust in our faces showing us Crossfire setup and better Ryzen results.
It looks like until they optimize the games to use more than 4 cores, 7700K will remain the best gaming option.

 

every review done today showing the same result. the cpu is a beast in workstation, multi threading 3d applications. but fails when it comes to gaming when cpu is not bottleneck.

 

I don't trust Tom's Hardware. They gimp all thier reviews, and have always been biased.
For instance, they are not even reporting what these CPU's actually clock at easily, in some cases the older AMD CPU they downclocked it to match the rated speed of the others.
It doesn't work like that,otherwise I would go fetch my 4.3Ghz HT enabled P4 CPU and compare that to Rysen's lower end CPU and underclock the P4 to 3.0Ghz and see how it fares.

for instance : if you are going to compare 6700K or 7700K, then put them at 5.0Ghz and get the Rysen CPU at whatever speed works for it. It might be further in INTEL's favor, but it would be a better real world test of how it's going to be used IMO.
But to bring in a few years old CPU from AMD as well, just to place it at the bottom, and also underclock it, is just stupid and shows they are being biased. Things are not identical when they are at the same rated Mhz, it's like comparing how smart people are based on thier height.

 

It's true, based on the Guru3D article I read - Ryzen no good for 144Hz gaming is my conclusion. Intel is clocking higher than Ryzen during overclocking and performing better at high framerates - hence the 144Hz comment I made. I'm interested to see how the smaller brothers will perform, the Ryzen CPUs with only 4 & 6 cores - I think they will overclock higher than the 8 core monster and consequently be better gaming performers. Ryzen also has a gaming performance issue when hyperthreading is enabled - disable hyperthreading & then gaming performance increases - they need to fix this.

Here's the link to the article:
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-processor-review,1.html

Here's a link to a page in the discussion that might be interesting (where hyperthreading issue is discussed too, hyperthreading issue not discussed in actual article above though) (look in earlier couple of pages too):
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=413072&page=8

 

Yes, but i bought it throught ebay. It is White brand (no eurocom) so they don't support it.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...rnado-f5-with-amd-ryzen-r7-8-core-cpu.801858/

Eurocom: 'We are working on next generation Tornado F5 and F7 models so everything is on the table including AMD Ryzen. We have a lot of expertise in AMD technologies - we were the first in the history of laptops to use socket-based AMD CPUs and AMD GPUs. So we may do it again.'

The R7 1700 is only 65 watts and the two above that are 95 watts.

 

I thought Eurocom answered your question. If you didn't purchase the notebook from them, they will charge you for the BIOS.

 

I think ryzen is a much better option than intel right now, especially for future proofing. Intel is stuck at their lame 4 cores while ryzen has 8 which may not have the highest clock speeds but you can definitely do more at the same time. Price is also pretty much way better too. Intel needs innovate and try like amd. Look at how they made an 8 core CPU with only 65 watts of power needed. My 6700k needs about 90 and that's pretty sad. Rather the extra cores, better performance in many apps at a time, and lower heat output than an overpriced intel. :/


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About the Bios on my order from HIDevolution, Ted replied:

"Huniken , we are working with Prema to get his special treatment on a fully customizable BIOS. This will allow for overclocking of the CPU and RAM, among other features. I don’t have an ETA of when it will be ready, but when it is we will reach out to you to remotely flash your system.


Thank you,


-Ted | HIDevolution"

 

Delid Result so far: 5.0 is reached at 75C with normal ambient temps (82C before delid). I may have to repaste my GPU yet again, the temps are slightly higher than before. I pasted with ICD. I'm going to try my other pastes.

My new Firestrike score: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11866693
It's nowhere near Mr. Fox's but it is getting better.

 

Awesome results! What did you use to OC the CPU, is it Bios?

 

I use Throttlestop and sometimes XTU. I do have unlocked BIOS but even before then, I was able to OC the CPU with the original Eurocom BIOS.

 

Let me go into a little more detail on my delid process. I went with the HIDevolution method of a delid, LM between the die and IHS, ICD between the IHS and heatsink until I can make sure my heatsink has good contact with pressure paper. I am going to try some copper shims/LM soon as well. My goal is 5.0 at the high 60'sC with my "garage" cooler and then I will work on 5.1.

 

Hey guys so I'm having an odd problem. I have 4x8GB of RAM installed for a total of 32GB. BIOS, CPU-Z, and HWINFO all confirm that. However windows does not. According to System and Task Manager I only have 16GB installed. I'm on Windows 10 Pro, with a 7700k, reinstalled windows twice with different images as well, checked that Max Memory in System Config isn't set, updated all drivers. Not really sure what else to do. Any thoughts?

 

Have you tried resetting the EC (the pinhole on the bottom of the laptop) or loading the defaults in the bios? Any chance you could get something like a Linux live disk and see what it reports in there when booting?

 

Yes I reset the EC and loaded bios defaults as well each time. I'll try a Linux live usb here now.

 

Booted into Kali Linux and it also on shows 16GB. I've attached a picture of the terminal and bios as well.

 

Yeah I do not understand it either. I also asked why the same bios was UNLOCKED before and is now LOCKED.
The only response when I asked about the bios was "go see Mr.Fox" .
@Mr. Fox Maybe you can weigh in, why would I be referred to you for this issue ?

(I literally have no idea why or how your involved.)

 

Oh yes that's something else I can confirm. My build date is 02/2017 and I am defiantly locked at 4.4 GHz on the 7700k. With BIOS E16L1IE9.309

 

New amazing firestrike benchmark, 19,708! http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11873926

That's probably my best until I add LM on top of the IHS. I'm going to experiment with different pastes for the GPU as well. I will reach 20K!!!

 

man those are amazing, seems like u ppl dont game much and just do bench/repasting lol.
i have been doing unity 14-18hours/day and this laptop is wonderful, my up time on the laptop is over 4 d : 11h (continous no sleep, some idle hours tho) and yet have to experience crash even tho i do baking in unity quit often. for me thts the most time before my other machines crashed lol.

 

Maybe take out one of the easiest sticks, boot up and see if OS can see the change. Then put it back.

 

Already did that as well a few moments ago actually. Took both sticks out, still says 16, put 1 in, still 16 but 24 in Cpu-z, put the other one in, still 16 but 32 in Cpu-z. Thanks though

 

I am getting my laptop worked on, what does "Updated EC" mean?

 

Have you tried a full NVRAM reset? Unfortunately, that requires you to remove the mobo to get to the CMOS battery.

 

Or he can try re-flash Bios.

 

No i havent done that yet, and i have no problem doing it, but just trying to see if there are any other options first.

Thats what i was thinking actually, just having trouble getting a hold of the latest.

 

I would also suggest a full NVRAM clear like @Rage Set suggested. Do you happen to have another laptop you can test the ram in? You may also try swapping sticks between the upper and lower slots. If they have never worked, it could be a faulty motherboard.

 

No unfortunately i don't have another laptop. I will try a BIOS re flash once i get it. Then if no dice..full NVRAM reset

 

I love gaming but benching has a special place in my heart. It is exhilarating to take hardware to its limits, knowing that you could possibly cause damage but you risk it anyway to show you can master the many variables that OC'ing requires.

 

Dude future proofing is $hit, get that $hit out of here, you want future proof, get a desktop.

You really dont understand how processors work do you. Right now, 99% of games dont use more than 4 cores and lots of people are playing more games than doing other "stuff". Those 65 watts of power is thermal rating not how much power the processor uses. Sometimes thermal rating doesnt mean anything, look at the 7700(non K), its rated at 65w, the K version is 91w. If you clock both at 4.0gz, it will use the same amount of wattage. The K version is higher because is overclocks.

If you're so sad about that 6700k, give it to me and get a Zen processor.

 

Try to be nice now, lol.

I agree however with the sentiment that the 6700K is best inclass CPU for the price ATM.

 

lol, i'll try

 

Be a little nice. Info for you as well. Higher TDP doesn't indicate that the chips can or will overclock!!

TDP
"Thermal Design Power (TDP) represents the average power, in watts, the processor dissipates when operating at Base Frequency with all cores active under an Intel-defined, high-complexity workload"

Edit: And see also why gamers now want more cores than 4

 

we want MOAR cause we're crazy greedy!

always hungry for more powa !

To more cores : Woodzstack says : " NOM NOM NOM GIMME ! "

 

HaHA. And they will come, guaranteed!! 2 extra is not much to ask for +4

 

Did you guys all see this press release? Great that Best Buy finally has one acceptable high performance notebook for sale. I guess there is a first time for everything. Before now it was none. But, it's only in Canada.

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Best Buy Canada launches EUROCOM Tornado F5 high-performance laptops available in online store

Spoiler: Open to Read Press Release

Contact:
Braden Taylor
[email protected]
@EurocomTech
613-656-7961

The EUROCOM Tornado F5 high-performance laptop is now available through www.BestBuy.ca.

“We are extremely pleased to offer our high-performance EUROCOM Tornado F5 laptop to Canadians through BestBuy.ca. We have added two different configurations online so users can choose the best performance level for their needs,” says Mark Bialic, Eurocom President.

The EUROCOM Tornado F5 supports NVIDIA GeForce graphics, an Intel Core i7 processor, and four memory slots in a 15.6” chassis for mind blowing performance in a highly mobile chassis.

Being fully upgradeable the EUROCOM Tornado F5 can support a variety of MXM 3.0b graphics cards including next generation NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 and 1060 graphics. Utilizing an Intel Z170 Chipset and LGA1151 socket gives the EUROCOM Tornado F5 the ability to support the Intel Core i7 6000 series up to 6700K as well as the i7-7000 series up to 7700K processors managing up to 64 GB DDR4 memory. Four drives are supported for up to 6 TB of storage with two M.2 SSDs and two HDD/SSD.

The internal components of the EUROCOM Tornado F5 are easily accessible to allow users the ability to upgrade chosen components to increase performance, capacity, and lifespan.

The EUROCOM Tornado F5 is equipped to take full advantage of the desktop Intel processors and NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 or 1060 graphics due to their high-quality copper heatsinks, high-speed fans and use of Innovation Cooling Diamond 24 carat diamond thermal compound. Low temperatures in a laptop computer contribute to long-term stability.

Impressive benchmark testing results of the EUROCOM Tornado F5 can be found here: http://www.eurocom.com/ec/benchmarks(384)ec

EUROCOM Tornado F5 Laptops available on BestBuy.ca:
Prepare to be blown away by the EUROCOM Tornado F5. With its Intel i7 processor and 16GB RAM, the Tornado will help you blitz through daily tasks with ease. And when it's time to play, NVIDIA GeForce 1070 graphics with 8GB of memory renders visuals with silky smooth fluidity and sets you up for adventures in virtual reality.

• http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product...spx?path=80bd80d263d74400807b9e27a6693e4ben02

Configuration:
15.6” FHD Display
Intel Core i7-6700k
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070
1 TB 7200 rpm HDD
16 GB DDR4 2133 memory
802.11a/b/g/n/ac WLAN
Windows 10
$2359.99​

Get blown away by the EUROCOM Tornado F5. With its Intel i7 processor and 8GB RAM, the Tornado will help you blitz through daily tasks with ease. And when it's time to play, NVIDIA GeForce 1060 graphics with 6GB of memory renders visuals with silky smooth fluidity and sets you up for adventures in virtual reality.

• http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product...spx?path=9d013a35686d7bac03b8de454a1c1bb2en02

Configuration:
15.6” FHD Display
Intel Core i7-6700
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060
120 GB Samsung 850 M.2 SSD
1 TB 7200 rpm HDD
8 GB DDR4 2133 memory
802.11a/b/g/n/ac WLAN
Windows 10
$1999.99​

EUROCOM Tornado F5 Specifications:
Display: 15.6-inch FHD 1920-by-1080 pixels or 4K UltraHD 3840-by-2160 pixels; eDP
Chassis: Aluminum Alloy (Back Cover and Top Case) and German manufactured resins (Front Cover and Bottom Case)
Chipset: High-Performance Intel Z170 Express Chipset
Processor: Socket based; LGA1151; up to 91W TDP; choice of Core i7, i5, i3 up to 6700K/7700K.
VGA Technology: upgradeable MXM 3.0; NVIDIA GeForce: GTX 1080, 1070, 1060, 980M, 970M or 965M; up to 150W TDP; discrete GPU only (no Optimus)
Memory: Four 260-pin SODIMM sockets; DDR4-2133/2400/3000/3200; up to 64GB
Storage: up to 3 physical drives: 2x M.2 2280 PCIe x2/x4 or SATA SSD and 1x HDD/SSD (9.5mm) SATA3 6Gb/s; RAID 0/1 with 2x NVMe SSDs.
Card Reader: 6-in-1: UHS-II interface; MMC/RSMMC/SD/mini SD/SDHC/SDXC; Push-Push
Keyboard and Touchpad: Anti-ghosting backlit multi-colour 7-colour keyboard with separate numeric keypad; TouchPad with multi-gesture and scrolling; W/A/S/D Gaming key
Ports: 3x USB 3.0; 1x USB 3.1 type C (Thunderbolt 3); 1x DP 1.2; 1x HDMI 2.0; 1x Headphone; 1x Microphone-in; 1x S/PDIF (digital); 1x Line-in; 1x RJ-45 LAN; 1x DC-in
Audio: High Definition Audio; S/PDIF Digital Output; Built in microphone; Built in two 2W speakers; Sound Blaster X-FI MB3; External 7.1CH output (headphone, mic, line-in and S/PDIF).
Display Support: Supports up to 4 active displays including internal LCD; up to 3840x2160 @ 60Hz
Battery: 8cells; 14.4V 5225mAh/75.24Wh Li-Ion; up to 130 minutes
Weight: 2.92kg / 6.45 lbs w/ battery
Dimensions: 390x266x39.8mm / 15.6x10.64x1.59-inch

About Eurocom:
Eurocom is the leading developer of long lifespan, fully upgradable notebooks, as well as, high-performance mobile workstations and servers since 1989. Eurocom prides itself as an Industry leader in providing ground-breaking technology and continues to engineer innovative solutions that inspire individuals and companies to new growth and development. For more information on Eurocom, please visit us at www.eurocom.com.

Online Resources:
Online Article: http://www.eurocom.com/ec/release(365)ec
EUROCOM Tornado F5 Benchmarks: http://www.eurocom.com/ec/benchmarks(384)ec

EUROCOM Tornado F5 Product Pages on BestBuy.ca:
• http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product...spx?path=9d013a35686d7bac03b8de454a1c1bb2en02
• http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product...spx?path=80bd80d263d74400807b9e27a6693e4ben02

@Eurocom Support

 

That's the PR stuff Eurocom sends out to subscribers, via EMAIL.

 

Maybe try the "memtest" option that is present in a lot of Linux boot menus?

 

FWIW, I have one of these on order for Unity work also. I mention this in case you're interested in corresponding off-forum once I get my machine in a couple of weeks.