*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

It should not. In fact, it might fix that for you.

 

so after owning all these taptops lately, if I were to tell you, choose one of them to keep only, which would be your pick honestly?

 

Ta!

 

Eurocom Tornado F5 Killer Edition (i5-7600K, 4K UHD, GTX 1080) Laptop Review by Notebookcheck.net

 

I'd already put my comment to that review! They should have chosen the 7700K.

 

Luckily, this machine have LGA and yooo can upgrade later. With BGA you're screwed!!! Really Screwed.

 

WTF ******** article...

I am big fan of notebookcheck ... and read their articles almost every day, but i really cannot help it preserve my anger against this one.
They pick the 7600K and say
"Notebook gaming with desktop Kaby Lake. A notebook equipped with a standard LGA 1151 socket may sound super-powerful, but the benefits are minimal compared to the drawbacks that entail."
&
"CPU performance from the quad-core i5-7600K is strong, but we can't help but feel somewhat disappointed. While single-threaded performance is good with a consistent Turbo Boost of 4.0 GHz (out of the rated maximum of 4.2 GHz), multi-threaded performance is weaker than even the older Haswell i7-5700HQ due to the lack of Hyper-Threading"

Well duh captain obvious... comparing 4vs8 cores. Pick 7700K and then do the comparison.
OmG can't believe this guy that wrote the article.

"The fact that a 47 W Core i7 mobile CPU can outscore a 91 W Core i5 desktop CPU in multi-threaded workloads at base clock rates means laptop gamers may be better off with the lower-power solution."
Genius this guys is... (while true ... the blame is on Intel and notebookcheck picking the wrong CPU to make the review)
I observe the 7700K consumes very little power compared to 6700K. ( I still have to play a lot more with it but with 7700K I see ~80W at 4.9/5.0 GHz while the 6700K would go up to 110W at 4.7 GHz)


"The standard one-year limited warranty applies to new laptop purchases from Eurocom with options to extend up to two or three years. Some competing manufacturers like Gigabyte offer two-year warranty as standard instead of just one to draw in more buyers."
Well duh ... at a higher price. They do not offer the 1 year warranty option at lower price. (so this means they can draw less buyers)

 

does something change in the 1080 version? coz my tornado f5 with 1070 is extremely silent. also why would i buy a laptop with K and wont overclock? i can achieve way better performance with what that review shows.
they also compare it with 7850hk with 4.3ghz overclock with score of 899 only. i can get 920+ score with 4.3 on my 6700k with less heat and tdp.

 

Well yes, the GTX 1080 consumes more power than the GTX 1070, therefore you can assume the GTX 1080 version will be louder and/or hotter. Yes, they didn't do a very good job of that review, it wasn't fair for them to pick the i5 version of the chip and then to compare it against mobile i7's, they should have chosen i7 for the tornado.

 

[email protected] aka 960cb

 

wow thats great, max i can get is 928 with 4.3. your temps are atleast 15c lower thn my idle lol simply amazing bro!.

 

Ok, I've been "stalking" some threads (alienware, clevo p775, this, msi gt73vr), trying to gather as much info as possible for my future purchase. I already know the advantages of socketed CPU and GPU and if I'm not mistaking, the 7820hk has about the same power draw as the 7700k at the same clock and the performance should be similar (while the 7700k has more room for further OC but, I don't see allot of users exceeding 4.3ghz with 7700k, the rest being exceptions).
My question is: from a pragmatic point of view (not interested in benching), how much performance gain (in %) should I expect from a 7700k (on the f5 or 16l-g-1080) vs a 7820hk (from gt73vr or even the new acer gx-792 that I can get with 2500€)? I know that, for gaming, the difference is minimal but, I'm more interested in video editing, rendering and encoding, architectural design (autocad 3d, revit... and some 3d modelling).

 

you can already compare a 7850hk @4.3 that got around 899cp on notebookcheck review lose to @Papusan 6700k with same clock. and the socket cpu produce less heat and use less power while being same clock.(cinebench is a rendering test)

also a 7700k is 4.2ghz at stock with turbo of 4.5 , most are already 4.6ghz on 7700k. im running 4.4ghz on 6700k 24/7 and can easily beat any 7850hk.

 

I think that I've seen 5.2ghz for tornado but, that's still very rare.
What I'm trying to figure out is: the extra 300-400mhz (because that appears to be the difference for 24h use in favor of the 7700k) would translate in how much of a difference (let's say for rendering for ex.)?
I'm considering the evoc 16l-g-1080, but the international warranty for just a year is 200$ on top of that is the VAT 20%. Is the performance difference (or reduced time for rendering or other similar usage) worth the price difference (about 300-400€ in total between gt73vr 7rf or about 700€ vs acer gx-792)?

 

Does Eurocom usually have a sale for Easter?

 

well if u willing to do de-lid u can get the 7700k to 4.7ghz-4.9ghz easily(it run cooler thn 7850hk too), and not all the 7850hk will do 4.2ghz+ most arent much stable beyond 4.2.
how is there 700€ difference when they both price similar? (other thn warranty charges). for me this laptop was around 30-40$ cheaper thn the similar MSI gt62vr, so was a no-brainer for me to get, in ur case i wont spend extra and settle for what is cheaper with similar specs.

 

I am actually writing my first article of several in a mini series titled Rage Set's VS, pitting the MSI 16L13 VS P775DM3. The article is going to be exclusively about computing performance, no fluff about looks, sound and etc.

 

check these out, their prices are so great. cant seem to find a config with 1080GTX tho. maybe u can ask them if they have one, price wise seems like best.
https://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/system/Fangbook_4_XTREME_G-SYNC_1070
aslo : @madeinholt can tell about their customer service since he got one from them recently.

 

@UsmanKhan thank you! The price is great for the 1070 config, I'll try to find out if they offer the 1080.
@Rage Set I'm looking forward to it!

 

If your a student, eurocom currently offer 20% rebate for march

 

it seems the kingston hyperx impact 2400mhz can run @2800mhz with the stock timings i-e 14-14-14-35 but needs tcwl 18( even a bump of 100mhz over stock needs to set tcwl 18).
i can get 2800mhz on both sticks separately and they are stable but when i put both in dual channel they wont boot. i have now it at 2700mhz with same timings as 2400mhz(tCWL = 18).

 

Where can yooo find 7850 hkBGA ? Haven't seen Intel have pushed out new unlocked BGA
How about 897cb in Cinebench R15 with 6700K running 4.0GHz.
Only 2 points lower than this thrilling *amazing* unlocked 7820 BGA Turd clocked higher 4.3GHz but wimpy 899cb



Edit: I went back to take a second look of the test of this new *amazing* unlocked BGA trash. As expected... Fully throttling!! And the reviewer from Notebookcheck say it's still impressive. What? I don't get it. @Mr. Fox +++ do you think this is impressive?
How in hell can this reviewer say... As mentioned in the section Software, the Core i7-7820HK works at 4.3 GHz in the Turbo Gear Extreme setting? When the result is the opposite?



YEEES. Intel's old software is intended for BGA. And all BGA lovers welcomes with both hands


Edit: BTW All unlocked BGA running @4.3GHz throttle. See Notebookcheck database for the Trash!!

 

Do you now, what the green wire on the videocard?

 

Read right before and after this POST
The graphics is a Qualification Sample.

 

Ah, interesting that Intels little app is showing 4.3Ghz when in actual fact it's at more like 4.1Ghz - Intel trying their best to make BGA look good!

 

The unfortunate truth is that the gullible majority won't know enough to check. They'll just feel special because it is called an i7 regardless of whether or not it's actually worth a darn because they don't know any better.

 

How can you expect that a lot of owners of junk... know anything about how their machine should functioning? Remember <Not a few... Many> Have never seen software for monitoring of hardware Temp (I'm not talking about few people when I say this) They are screwed by the ODM + haedware manufacturers such as Intel. And same company like Intel grin on the way to the bank.

 

that's nice to know, thanks for sharing. i had somehow 7850hd radeon in my mid

 

All good This is worse

 

I can confirm another working screen option for those who are interested. The Samsung LTN156HL06-C01 is a glossy, PLS, non-GSync, FHD panel, which is a great option for those who want more color accuracy and like having glossy instead of matte. This display really reminds me of the Macbook Pro Retina display, other than its not high DPI. The display has very deep blacks, more so than any other panels I have seen other than maybe the OLED Alienware 13. It does use PWM, and its pretty noticeable at 30% brightness and below for me (especially in dark areas on the screen). Luckily it does not suffer from Image Retention, which is a real problem on the AUO B156HAN01.2.

Overall its a nice panel and another good option for folks who might be wanting a Tornado F5 for more content-creation oriented work instead of gaming. Feel free to ask any questions.

 

@Papusan that result is a bit weird but, throttling could be the explanation since, most of the 7820hk can achieve a max of 4.1-4.2 on all cores, and some 4.3 (most on 1 core). I've seen that a 4.2ghz stable setup with a good margin in temperatures, performs just as well as the 7700k at that clock (I think that's due to power user's ability to fine tune it's machine while, notebookcheck uses the available OC profiles that may not be the most optimized).

 

but how can 7820hk match 7700k performance when 7700k has higher clocks on stock? if u can overclock a 3.6ghz proc to 4.3, why wont you overclock a 4.2-4.5ghz 7700k to at least 4.6+?

 

2 unlocked BGA tested so far in NBC... Both did not work with 4.3GHz in Cinebench. What more do we need to know? Most 7700K can take 5.0GHz. Forget BGA!! Unlocked or fully locked down, doesn't matter.

 

That's just for "fair comparison" since, no bga user (informed one) would expect better performance from the hk cpu's (it's just design limitations, and if I'm not mistaking, they need too much voltage increase after 4.1-4.2 just to have a stable 4.3 and that's for the lucky users that can reach this clock). Let's just say that we're comparing cpu efficiency at a common denominator, instead of both at full potential.

 

It does, if you compare a non-delidded unlocked desktop processor with a poor paste job, with an unlocked mobile processor with a good paste job, which NotebookCheck frequently does. It's not their fault, this is how the machines are shipped to them, so its the state that they are tested in. You can tell in this review here that the delidded 7700K goes well beyond the "overclocked" 7280HK in performance, at stock speeds.

 

I think the informed user wouldn't make the argument as they would know the ceiling for performance is not comparable. The only case, I can think of, to be made is the informed user had to settle for the lesser choice for whatever reason and is willing to accept that lower peak performance.

 

but those score looks average? have seen better results here with 7700k, also something weird with their games result where witcher was much higher on lga laptop all the other games were way slower.
i have same results on my 6700k with same clocks, so differently bad results there on notebookcheck review.(my processor is non-delided and i havn't repasted yet).

edit: knew that something weird with these 7700k results, i removed my heatsink more thn 6 times and havnt repasted nor de-lided yet, yet my results are similar to their 7700k at same clock(4.4ghz).

 

Exactly. This is the important message that should avoid getting lost in translation. 7820HK is an inferior product and any discussion to the contrary based on numbers posted in a review is a distraction. This really boils down to people needing to understand what they are seeing rather than jumping on some silly numbers as an excuse to justify BGA filth.

This is only important to the extent of creating an awareness and an understanding of why. Without that knowledge, the sheeple will remain misinformed and ignorant of the facts. Any perception that a 7820HK is a performance match for 7700K is flawed. As long as people understand that the results visible in a review are nothing more than a reflection of incompetence on the part of the OEM that shipped a mess with a 7700K out for review, things can be viewed in proper perspective. Any benchmark showing a 7820HK performing like a 7700K should be viewed as nothing more than an unfortunate symptom of shoddy assembly, poor design or lack of attention to detail on the machine sporting a 7700K. That doesn't qualify the 7820HK as a reasonable substitute for a 7700K.

 

There's no debate that, the user will settle with a lesser choice (with bga), the debate would be, how much less for it's purpose (ex. for gaming, the differences aren't considerable, for rendering... it depends on how much would the extra clock help you or how much can you go beyond hk cpu's, considering that not all 7700k users can go 5ghz or +4.5 and 300-400mhz might not translate in a substantial increase in some cases) and how important are the other aspects like screen, keyboard, battery life... in case the user needs to make some compromises!

 

They explained that the GTX 1080 in their P870KM is not overclocked "as shipped", and then proceed to benchmark it as slower in all GPU-bound games than the higher clocked Asus and MSI. If you compare same clock speeds (and drivers) the P870KM should always do the same or better. The only thing you can't really fix with it is the built in keyboard, but that is a different thing unrelated to performance.

 

well pretty much every 7700k can do 4.9 atleast. also there is next to no price difference between bga vs lga, u can downclock and undervolt using throtlestop profiles and still get less power consumption and more batery thn a similar clock bga and still have the option to go way higher thn any bga would ever allow.
@win32asmguy - please check my previous post with updated images. and thanks for clearing about the gameper formance.
edit: ram performance got 10% more with 2666mhz overclock on this test.
http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/3170369

 

Exactly. See I benched [email protected] BGA clock speed in Cinbench R15. Same processor Razer put in their $4000 Razerbook with Gtx1080. Temp maxed 32C. Do this in the Razer Apple similar gaming book!! 32C is very cold idle temp in that model

 

hehe, thats nice results. coudnt resist so did my own too at 3.6ghz to see if i can get less tdp and temps thn 7820hk.
these temps are too good. again this is on a paste which hasnt been replaced even after more thn 6+ heatsink removal and my machine is silent as dead in a quite room with ambient temp over 30+ lol






edit: even better, tdp lower thn even hq processors.

 

do you know if i7-8700 (coffee lake) will have a lga1151 socket?

 

Well I ended up getting a bga GT62VR. I know, I know. But it was more than $1000 cheaper than the F5 and I just use my PC for gaming and web browsing. I couldn't justify the extra cost for the desktop CPU and 1070. It's been fun browsing here and good luck with your rigs!

 

I'm still using the default 1070 video drivers. Im noticing weird issues playing Marvel Heroes. The screen would go blank, then it would come back on and revert to max brightness. Sometimes the system just locks up. I'm not sure if that is because I was undervolting but I turned that off for now. I still get the blank screen occasionally but not sure about the freezing without overclocking yet. I figure it's time to update. Is there any recommendation on which version to update to? Also, when updating, we're supposed to use the mobile drivers correct? Thanks in advance.

 

you must be looking at the wrong listing, a tornado f5 with 1070 can be as little as ~1690$(including tax + ship), with student discount it can be purchase for 1352$ currently. have not seen a cheaper gt62vr for the price including tax. you must be looking at the 1080gtx version thats about 2600$+ and being perfectly price for the performance you get in exchange.

doubt if anyone know about the socket yet. but considering amd ryzen having same socket as the fx series intel will likely do same approach and have the same socket for coffee lake since coffee is 14nm too.

 

the latest dx 12 improved driver is extremely stable for me, 0 crashes in games except in skyrim(that's games fault tho). driver is 378.78. that green video issue on youtube using chrome is still not fix tho.

 

378.92 is the latest NVidia driver out, only came out yesterday though. I'm using it no problems on my desktop.

 

So in the end did you get any support from eurocom or fix?