*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

Funny question here, do u guys usually download drivers from the eurocom site or through the factory company like Nvidia/intel?

 

Ok guys I just got my laptop & I'm stuck at the screen when you choose time and country, I clicked next then it asked me my Wifi key and gave it, I click next then I choose express settings then it restarts, to bring me again to the select time screen, I click next and it doesn't ask for Wifi key but for the options to use express settings or customize , I click next then it restarts!!! Same loop this drives me crazy!!

I have a windows 10 USB from my other MSI. How do I access the Bios because this thing boots FAST!!

 

I'm not using WiFi as I hate lagg so I'm connected with Ethernet gigabit connection to my router. Will work great on laptop though thanks.

 

Try the delete key


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Problem solved, brother @Phoenix was there but I had already went with my USB drive & reinstalled windows 10. Now installing the drivers

 

drivers on eurocom website are not always latest, i always install stable drivers from nvidia.

 

So I just got myself an Eurocom Tornado F5, how much undervolt should stabilise the i7 7700k? I know its a lottery but let say where should I start? -100mv?

 

Yeah, why not, I wouldn't choose more than that. Just run Prime95 as soon as it boots up to check stability at each of the undervolts, run it for say 10 mins & then if it doesn't throw up errors then increase undervolt a little more (not in 100mv chunks though after your first 100mv chunk - I might do it in 30mv chunks after that). Eventually at some point Prime95 will throw up errors during the 10min test, at which point go back to your previous 'stable' undervolt and run Prime95 overnight to see if it's stable. You might find that the CPU thermal throttles with Prime95 in some laptops so you might want to choose another stress testing program instead - or repaste/delid the CPU to get better temperatures.

EDIT: don't use the latest version of Prime95, but an older version that doesn't heat up the CPU quite as much, this is the version: p64v266.

 

Prime95 is too much of an overkill for processors with AVX on desktops. It's way beyond overkill on laptops .

 

Ah, I should have said I use an older version of Prime95 that doesn't heat up quite as much as the latest versions, p64v266.

And what would you recommend for stability testing on laptops? Thing is, Prime95 throws errors way before a blue screen would occurr, so wouldn't you need a stress testing program that would have similar properties, what do you use?

 

that's a bug in the latest Widows 10 Build

After setting it up a an Out of the box experience OOBE setup, when the user tries to run the initial setup wizard, it gets stuck, the solution was much simpler than a full format, if you go back to the SYSPREP mode by hitting SHIFT + F3, then exit that mode again ,problem solved

Anyway, glad you got it sorted now

 

Yah, im pretty sure it'll throttle pretty soon with Prime95, what about XTU stress test? Do you think it'll work about the same? I'll probably play a bit with Prime95 after delid and repaste

Btw, i have unclocked bios too. Should I download XTU/TS or just undervolt in bios? im pretty newb at these stuff

 

FWIW, I have found that my HIDevolution version of this machine, with the delidded Silicon Lottery i7 7700K, runs stably with -60mV. I tried deeper undervolt, and it ran for a while but eventually the watchdog timer reset the system. I've had it set at -60mV for almost a week, zero crashes. YMMV, of course, but now you have an anecdotal data point.

 

For those of us who speak "Windows as a third language", I assume SYSPREP is System Preparation. All I can say is, I never would have guessed to solve an installation reboot loop by hitting SHIFT+F3 to get into an undocumented mode. So much for Windows being "more intuitive" than the other operating systems.

(FWIW, the rough analog in Linux is hitting CTRL+ALT+F1 to invoke a terminal shell in character mode VGA, when the GUI has gone all wheels-up and you need to recover or at least gracefully reboot.)

 

-60mV at how much oc? Does ur temp go over 80C while gaming tho? I just need reference for temperature when i delid mine =D

 

Yeah, I don't know whether Prime95 will make the 7700K thermal throttle in Tornado. It did throttle in a notebookcheck.net article though: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Eurocom-Tornado-F5-Notebook-Review.189496.0.html
You Tornado owners, can you run Prime95 without throttling? How about those with delidded & repasted 7700K, can you run Prime95 without throttle? (It might require increasing the allowed current & power limits in the BIOS (or those same options in XTU)).

For overclock stability testing, this thread has some interesting info in the first post:
http://www.overclockers.com/forums/...Testing-for-Beginners-Which-tool-should-I-use
Aida64Extreme sounds like it could be a good compromise for checking CPU overclock stability.

Hyaweh, you have the unlocked BIOS you say. Be careful with that, don't go randomly changing stuff, some settings can permanently brick your machine (if you have the Svet unlocked BIOS) - see Mr. Fox's posts fairly recently in this thread with the warnings. Obviously some settings you can change without issue - just know what you're doing.

You ask if you should use XTU or BIOS to make changes. I prefer to use BIOS, but be careful like my previous warning re bricking. XTU is probably safer in that regard. It's up to you.

EDIT: and like I said in an earlier post, don't use latest version of Prime95, use this one, it heats up less: p64v266

 

Oh trust me, I got the unlocked bios cuz I have the K cpu so for future overcloking. I don't plan on touching the Bios anytime soon until maybe a few years later when i can't hit that 60FPS in gaming and being forced to overclock. Honestly i prefer safety over everything =P since this is my first time buying such an expansive laptop. OH and I ll try prime95 on stock once i get the laptop and ill post the results here

 

Oh right, you've got the unlocked BIOS straight from Eurocom - apparently that unlocked BIOS hides any of the dangerous menus that can result in bricking. Your approach is one way of looking at it, I tend to look at it in a different way - I'd rather overclock everything (CPU/GPU/RAM) from Day one to safe limits - just maximises performance & value throughout your years of ownership.

 

Really? I thought eurocom is using Svet bios . But anyway, I dont plan no touching the bios until im really familiar with it. Oh btw, wont the cpu/system die faster if you keep overclocking?

 

My clock settings, by core count, are:
1 core: 4.7 GHz
2 core: 4.6 GHz
3 core: 4.5 GHz
4 core: 4.4 GHz

My temps under benchmarks or stress tests run around 79 to 83 C. Most of my testing so far has been higher core counts; I haven't yet done a lot of testing with just 1 or 2 cores active because my apps are all multithreaded. Temps are higher if I let the fans auto-adjust, but when I'm benchmarking I manually set the fans to max using the keyboard button.

I haven't done a lot of gaming on the machine (I bought it for work, with gaming being incidental), but I have done some brief test runs in Fallout 4 and Skyrim. Those don't load the CPU very heavily compared to synthetic benchmarks, and I've found my CPU temps in Skyrim and Fallout are down around 70 C or sometimes even lower. Again, though, these are very early numbers; I haven't played far enough into either game on this machine to have encountered large battles with a lot of AI-controlled enemies, which would tend to push the CPU harder than just walking around the tutorial levels.

 

To test for daily use, i use AIDA64.
For actual use i run my test render scenes that i create for 3Ds Max / Maya and Simulations for Houdini.

Other than that i think that RealBench is the best stability test for Skylake/Kabylake. Or something that uses Handbrake/H.264 encoding.

 

My machine is going to get a thorough handbrake test soon. I have a large video file that I need to transcode using Handbrake, and the last time I did a similar task the output was a 90 gig monster.

 

So after some looking for a while it looks like the 4k eDP cable is K1N-3040052-H39. Right now they are a little sparse but can be imported from Asia. I think I am going to import one and hope some of the displays showcased at CES come to fruition. I would love a high refresh 2k resolution panel...

 

@syscrusher, you said that you have the SL delidded 7700k, right? I thought those are guaranteed to OC to 4.8 - 5.1GHz. Have you been able to get anywhere close to that performance from your machine? I have read that a normal delidded 7700k with decent paste should be able to OC to almost 5.0GHz. What has your experience been like?

 

Do you know what it looks like? or the length, it might be easier to source if its wired up the same as the Clevo cables.

 

Well depending on ur luck, u might be able to hit that 5.0Ghz mark. i7 7700k can assure u to get up to 4.8-4.9 but to 5.0 its a lottery. Thats why they have silicon lottery ones for sale at a very high price

 

2k res + 120hz is my dream

 

Um..i wonder if i can get down to around 60-65 C while gaming with underclock (4ghz?)+undervolt+delid+max fan =O

 

syscrusher has a silicon lottery 7700k from HID, I believe, which is where I ordered mine from. That's why I'm curious. I've seen plenty of 7700k cpus close to 5.0GHz. He was mentioning his clocks were a bit under where I would expect them to be. I'm wondering if he is running lower clocks to reduce stress on his machine.

 

I'm taking things slowly and carefully, emphasizing stability over performance, so I am not the typical case. I had my 7700K up to 5.0 GHz briefly. Things were not stable, but I think it was mostly a problem with too aggressive undervolt, as I mentioned earlier.

Honestly, I still consider myself to be a newbie at overclocking, and also I'm taking a very deliberate approach to this process on my "daily driver" work machine. I seriously expect to do better than I am right now, but not instantly so. Ask me that question again in a couple of weeks.

 

Yes. Very much so. I'm trying to be about 10 degrees C lower than the "safe" limit. What I really want to emphasize here is that nobody should look at my system's performance and conclude that HIDevolution builds slow machines -- that is not the case at all. The decision to be so cautious is mine, not a limit of the hardware.

 

I really only have heard great things about HID. It makes sense that you are taking it easy with your machine.

 

There is a difference in power management between Laptop MB vs what you have in desktops. Dont forget this!! What may look easy in desktops, is not always as easy in laptops.

 

I don't actually have any direct experience with the 7700k in either desktops or laptops. While I understand cooling and supplying power in a desktop is vastly easier than in a laptop, the understanding that I have gained is from reading what users here have said and been able to achieve. I may be misinterpreting what is meant, but from the way my questions have been answered and the incredible ability members on this forum have shown in their own laptops, it seems that the 7700k overclocks well after delidding and proper thermal dissipation. Are my expectations way off base? I'm trying to get an understanding of what I should expect so I'm asking questions and reading as much info as I can find. I respect the opinions here.

 

And you'll hear more great things from me. I'm really impressed with the HID folks.

As an aside, this discussion motivated me to do some additional testing and tuning tonight. I had gone from -85mV directly to -60mV to stabilize a system that was crashing at -85mV. Tonight I had some time to test, and I experimented first with -65mV and then with -70mV. Right now my CPU clocks (with 1...4 cores) are 4.8, 4.7, 4.6, and 4.5 GHz, and I'm at -70mV. Temps after prolonged load are about 89C to 95C (too high for me!) if I let the fans run at "natural" speeds, but if I switch on the max fan mode (using the keyboard button) the temps under load stay around 78C to 81C, an area where I am entirely comfortable.

I'm going to leave it here for a while and see how things run. I ran Fallout 4 at 4K ultra graphics, in "god mode" with deliberately-induced intensive battles, for about an hour without incident. I also ran the XTU CPU stress test for 5 minutes with no problems.

 

Yeah, 7700K is a very good overclocker. A big step up from former 6700K. Not many could bench with +4.5GHz in the MSI barbones. But You can reach 5.0GHz in this machine with Kaby. Only bigger P870 series laptops can handle 7700K over +5,0GHz.

But it's a difference between bench clock vs. 24/7 clock. Maybe shave off 2-300MHz from your max clock. Lower temp you can keep, the higher clock can you run. Ambient, silicon and proper cooling(mod like delidding-liquid metal etc) is the main factor for success.

 

Do you know of any other members that are running that @Mr. Fox fan mod? It seems like he was able to improve on the cooling considerably.

 

What do u guys think about underclocking cpu i7 7700k to get better temps?

 

Yep, u can check his video to see the temps difference if u didnt. Few members asked about his mod and @Mr. Fox told them to PM him, so I guess ? But apparently he sent the back lid to eurocom to test for future reference or mod

 

I used Linux (the Windows Bash environment) to create a single-threaded test under my new settings:

dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/null

What this does is generate an endless stream of random bytes which are sent through I/O syscalls to the bit bucket. It's a total CPU waste!

Anyway, my system had one core pegged and low usage on the other three. The max core speed ran between 4.7 and 4.8 GHz for about 5 minutes. With fans in natural mode (that is, not forced to max), CPU package temps were below 70 C the entire time. This is still with my voltage at -70mV. It's a pretty good result.

 

Rather than underclocking I'd recommend undervolting and running at stock or even undervolting a little & overclocking a little - but really you want to optimise the cooling performance of the laptop first: respasting / delidding / Mr. Fox bottom cover mod (any combo of those things). After doing the mods you might find you can overclock rather than needing to undervolt or underclock.

 

No, I dont fix it(
They sayd check the RAM, and reset CMOS, but nothing(
Then they say may be if we can get permission I can send repair center in China and Europe.

 

So I have had the same thought. But even for Clevo cables 40 to 40 pin eDP are still difficult to come by without going to a reseller ($60+). Ordering from overseas will net me one for under $30. I am going to wait a while to order as the panels I want are not even available to consumers yet and may never be but I still would like the option. I have actually debated soldering the 40 pin to the board and leaving the 30 pin in place for easy swap. Or installing the 40 pin and getting a 40 pin to 30 pin adapter that way I can go between high res and high refresh easy as can be.

 

RjTech has them for $45.

 

Its a brand new machine that didn't work out of box. Don't waste your time on it, clearly a lemon. Return it for refund, or new one. It's Eurocom's problem to fix not yours.

 

Yah I plan on repasting, delidint and undervolting. I just don't know how to overclock so I don't want to risk damaging my laptop and I don't see the reason to do so since I usualy just game and never benchmark. Ofcourse, ill benchmark when undervolt and stress test my system but I'm not doing it for the score

 

I just ordered my machine from Eurocom too! I hope every thing goes well =P

 

That's funny. I have purchased Barebones before from them but didn't even think to look there for the cable. Will try and visually compare later today. Thanks!

 

So RJtech does not have any images of their cables. But further googling and finding other Clevo cables it looks like the Mobo connector is different. MSI uses a slide in ribbon style connector. Clevo looks to be using clamp down style. the female portion on the cable that clamps down onto the male portion that is on the motherboard. Same way alienware did it on last years models, unsure about this years models but I assume they are still clamp down style.

I will continue to look for other models but I don't see clevo using both design types as that is more R&D and in all honesty they both do the same thing just fine.

 

Ahhh gotcha. That will make it difficult. Here are some pictures I took for my sale thread a while back. http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/sold-40-pin-4k-edp-cable-for-clevo-p870dm-g.790469/