*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

Thanks for your work here. This is my #1 concern as well. Mine should be arriving tomorrow, I'll let you know if I experience the same fan problems.

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It's weird how the vents for air are no where near properly placed for the fans.
HUGE design flaw.

 

Not anymore. They're dumping Unity. GNOME 3 will be the default DE.

They're also scuttling Ubuntu Phone and by consequence Convergence. Which kind of made sense, that's a ridiculously tough market to crack, exhibit A: Microsoft.

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Yeah, that is a good description. I find really nothing loud, obnoxious or otherwise objectionable about the fans in my TF5. I have not experienced what @alaskajoel is experiencing now, so it would be interesting to know what the difference is. Maybe his has different fans or maybe one of them is defective.

I actually wish mine were more powerful and would not object to them being louder like the fans in my P870DM3. Even when manually set to run full blast they are so quiet that I almost find it disturbing and I'd be willing to put up with a little more racket as long as it is only the sound of rushing air and not some shrill high-pitched whine type of noise.

@alaskajoel - where did you buy your system? I don't remember who it was now, but the only other person I have seen complaining about this fan noise issue bought a Fangbook.

I really like Linux Mint with Cinnamon. I find it both sleek and attractive. If I could do everything I wanted to do (as in running all of the software I want to run, with good overclocking and SLI support) without Windows I would use nothing else and kick Windows to the curb in a heartbeat.

 

This unit is from Eurocom. Ordered it during one of their big promotions. I've heard plenty of other AAVID fans of this type, but these two in the 16L13 are the worst in terms of noise. One of the two is more offensive than the other (grinding starts at 800rpm vs 1100rpm) but both are pretty bad.

I have been thinking back to other DTRs I've used with better sound profiles and the Asus G751 comes to mind. I clearly remember never hearing the motor on those fans, just the movement of air. I would love to have that profile in this beast.

 

Interesting; I wasn't aware of that. I'll check out GNOME 3 when I can; I haven't used it for years, but xfce4 (which I do use) is Gtk-based, so they would coexist nicely.

I notice you are not sending from a Windows Phone. Sad, because think of the elite status you would enjoy by being one of the 12 people on Earth who used Windows Phone.

 

I believe it is Valerian

 

ahh yes , the two kids...

 

Yes that's it!

 

I look forward to it actually, looks interesting. I recently saw Dr.Strange and was pleasantly surprised by it, the acting was to my liking at first. Kind of reminded me of like watching HOUSE MD to some degree.

 

22-23 mm.

 

dank

 

Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets by Luc Besson - same director as The Fifth Element, and should be equally crazy

 

Awesome experiment! Keep us updated.

The fans in my laptop had a really annoying rattling sound - like an uneven bearing or something like that. I replaced them and the sound seems more tolerable now.

But I'd be very interested in your findings as I'm quite sensitive to annoying sounds as well (adverse effect of being a sound designer, I guess).

 

Has anyone with a Cyberpower tried to upgrade RAM ? I am trying to track down 2 extra sticks of Kingston MSI24D4S7S8MB-8 but cannot find it anywhere.

 

Do you require specific RAM ? You can copy the spdif tables from one RAM and write them onto the others if you just find something similiar or just as high performing. (Using Thaiphoon burner)

 

So I got the EVOC today, like it so far. (Not going full review, there's enough of those and my free time is limited). The keyboard is a little weaker than the Blade, but I'm sure I'll get used to it in a week or two. The 4K display looks great, not quite as bright as the Blade, but the calibrated color accuracy LOOKS about the same to my non-designer eyes. I think the Blade's is a touch easier to read. Again that might be me just needing to get used to it.

The only thing I've done so far is reinstall my core apps (Slack, gpg, pw manager, macrium, etc..) and Steam. Did a quick Firestrike, got 15800 OOTB, that's fine with me. Did a quick "hey here's how loud the fans CAN get" button push with my wife there, she pretty much was like "yeah.. that's not going to work..". Hah. During Firestrike the fans were much less noisy obviously.

I ripped the Micron M600 out of my blade and installed it as a second drive in the EVOC, going to skip backing that up as I'm probably going to just put games on it, told Steam to put my library there. It was pretty nice to have the first Macrium run only take 32GB instead of 250GB.

Installing some games right now, forgot how damn large Doom is. Then I'll start seeing what I need to do with XTU to downclock it to get the fans where I want them while keeping some good framerates if necessary.

So far so good. HIDevolution did a great job on it. Kudos to @Donald@HIDevolution and team.

EDIT: One thing I will say, it's not quite as thick as I originally thought it would be by looking at the pictures. Pretty impressed in that respect.

 

Hey everyone! So I finally have all my funds together to order this monster! But I'm still having an issues with deciding something...

The whole screen debacle. IPS Gsync at 60-75hz or 120hz non gsync. But more importantly to me I think is IPS vs not. Is there anyone on here that has purchased the IPS screen and the 120hz? Maybe you could post a clip or two of straight on and at an angle of doing stuff like normal browsing and stuff then also playing games?


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Ha, yeah, it's good to have a small partition for your OS and programs if you can get away with it - I've got a 60GB partition & as you've found out you can run your Macrium Reflect image in about 5mins!

Rather than downclocking to get your fan noise under control I'd rather undervolt so that you can keep the same high performance but at lower temperatures & noise levels. Also repasting and/or delidding will probably get you better temperatures & lower noise. I reckon you already know all this, and you might have meant "undervolt" rather than "underclock" anyway, but just saying this for benefit of others too!

And congrats on the new laptop - a beast!

 

I did mean downclocking. It's already delidded and using Liquid Ultra + IC Diamond. I don't think any amount of undervolting is going to reap the benefits of clocking it at 7700HQ (7700T if you will) levels. Matters none for gaming performance.

I just got done playing a spot of Doom at 4K. Oh man.. so glorious.

 

I believe @Talon or @Mr. Fox can give good advice about both of those screens. It's going to come down to personal preference. The IPS will have more accurate colors and viewing angles most likely. The 120Hz is great for gaming. The 4k is ideal for fine detail. At 1080p you'll be able to push ultra settings on most games and hit well above 60fps. The IPS is kind of a waste in that regard. The 4k screen will really push the 1080 gtx to its limit. At ultra settings don't expect locked 60 all the time. That's where g sync comes in handy. It would be easier to make recommendations if you tell us what you want to use your screen for. For me 120Hz is the sweet spot, unless they offered a 1440p 120Hz screen. G sync would be nice there as well. The 1080p 60Hz screen won't need g sync even though it has it.

 

Ah, good stuff, you've already optimised it with delidding & liquid ultra. Even though I have no personal experience with that laptop I'm surprised it can't be run at stock clock & an undervolt without creating loud fan noise - I would have thought it would be quite silent after all those mods combined with an undervolt? Yes, reducing clocks to 7700HQ levels will certainly make it even quieter though!

 

Writes to SMBus addresses 50h - 57h are disabled by BIOS.

 

I'm not as fluent with what is what in the bios, programming wise as some of these geniuses, sorry. I know how to use Thaiphoon burner though, and never had an issue, but I haven;t tried it with a DDR4 laptop yet.

 

That was the message I got when I launched Thaipoon! So it looks as if that area has now been closed off to general public

The nearest non-OEM RAM I could find was Kingston KVR24S17S8/8, it has similar specs to the Kingston MSI24D4S7S8MB-8 (17-17-17-39) but for some reason remains invisible to Windows 10 Pro 64bit - it shows in the BIOS and it is there in Thaipoon and CPU-Z. Swapping around RAM in different slots on this chassis is a major ball-ache, fortunately, it actually came with the 2 x 8GB of OEM RAM on the dark side of the motherboard so I thought this would be easy.

I have now completed the CMOS battery mod so I have tried a wipe, hoping that would work. Nope!

Would there be anything unlocked in the Svet BIOS to enable this RAM for Windows?

 

(I think you have to actually buy Thaiphoon Burner in order to actually write to memory sticks, it used to be like that when I used it last time in 2013).

 

http://www.softnology.biz/tips_spdwritecap.html

Apparently, it is disabled in the BIOS, which is what Thaipoon detects as it launches.

 

Just a heads up to anyone with the 120Hz display and on the creators update, Nvidias latest Drivers released yesterday caused my screen to go nearly black after OS load. At first I thought it was off and then realized I could see with a flashlight and was able to uninstall. Tried clean install again with same results. Also tried older driver and then update with same results. Previous drivers no issue.

I would avoid these ones for now.

 

Yea I will be using the laptop all day in IT world doing normal browsing etc. Then over lunch and at night I will be doing gaming. Misc. games, ARK, Doom, need to replay through recently purchased remade bioshock. So some fast paced shooter and some others. So in some respects the 120 would be awesome but then during the day and for survival games the IPS would be great...


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Is the Blade a glossy screen? Those are, IMO, slightly easier to read and have more vivid color, but at the expense of a lot more glare. I'm glad to hear someone else bought the 4K screen like mine. It will be interesting to compare notes as we go along.

I'm reliably getting just over 17000 in FS, so if you're happy at 15800 you will be really happy later.

I hear ya!!!! I just started playing XCOM 2 last week on my gaming tower, and .... holy fecal matter, Batman! 35 gig for a turn-based tactics game?! It's a damned tough game, but a lot of fun, and I had the space available on my D: drive on that system, so....okay, 35 gig it is.

Same with mine. I had a really great buying experience with them. I am still planning a full review of my machine, but deliberately waiting until I've used it with my 3D tools for a while (those take a long time to set up). But the review of HIDevolution is easy: five stars.

Yeah, same here, on thickness and weight. It's not thin and light like my Macbook Pro, but it's not as bulky or heavy as you would think from reading the specs and looking at the pics. The power brick is the one thing I wish was a little smaller. I don't mind weight, but bulk gets annoying. Worth if for the performance, mind you, but still an annoyance and not a feature. I've got a 230W brick for travel, and am setting up a power profile that deliberately throttles me at less than 210W.

 

This seems like a pretty good compromise for reducing weight and bulk on the go, especially if you don't plan on doing much high-demanding stuff while traveling.

Please let us know how the power profile goes and how it affects your performance. What happens to the laptop if you use a 230w PSU but then 100% load it? Does it just drain the battery?

 

If you don't care about minimizing your input response for quick reflex maneuvers, and you value color accuracy and viewing angles then the IPS screen may be best for you. I can't comment on the 4k screen. @syscrusher may have insight for you though.

 

Yea as of right now I don't need the fluidity of the 120hz really but just wasn't sure if everyone on here thought I should go with it anyway. I really don't think I have any interest in 4K because of windows scaling issues and 1080 on a 15" screen I think is really good. Unless y'all think I would love 4K...


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After playing Doom using Vulkan for a bit last night at 4K, I don't see any lag problems. It was way more fluid than playing at 900p on the 870M. Not sure gsync was actually working or not, it's on in the Nvidia control panel. I saw nary one tear or stutter. Everything was super stable and smooth it was ridiculous to be honest that it was that fast at 4k.

 

Awesome. Yea I bet it was super!


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Doom is designed for higher frame rates. It wouldn't surprise me if you capped your frames to almost your refresh and had terrific results. Games that struggle to maintain 60 fps is where G sync will be utilized. @Bearded Hedgehog the 1080p 60Hz panel is under utilizing that powerful 1080 gtx. Just to add to your dilemma in making your decision.

 

That's what I'm afraid of. I don't want to get this super awesome beast and then instantly be limited. But I also know that IPS would be a bit pretty in day to day use. So hard to decide...


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In some cases you'll be able to supersample to get pristine image quality...

 

Oh the IPS, the 120hz, or both?


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The IPS panel. You'd have to render the game at higher resolutions, then downsample to 1080p. At 120Hz without G sync it may be difficult to manage screen tearing.

 

Why do you have to do that and how do you do it? Also is it bad for that to happen? Yea I'm
Really afraid of screen tearing on that 120hz. Especially after a couple of years.


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Screen tearing doesn't damage the panel. Screen tearing is the phrase used to explain what happens when the refresh rate of your screen, say 60Hz, isn't in sync with the render rate of your gpu, let's say 120 fps. In this example, your gpu is rendering at twice the refresh rate of your screen. While a portion of the screen has been displayed from the first rendered frame your gpu is now sending the data of the second frame to your screen while it is still attempting to display the first render. The screen displayed is now a combination of two renders instead of the one it should have been. At faster refresh rates this becomes less of a problem. The screen updates too quickly for any tearing to be significant - unless you are very sensitive to screen tearing. On top of that, you can adjust the settings of many games to get higher fps while sacrificing detail or image quality. So maintaining 120 fps or even 60 fps on a gtx 1080 at 1080p is fairly easy. If you are able to maintain 60 fps on a 120Hz panel the panel will display that single render twice. No big deal. The image will be solid.

Supersampling is when you render internally at a higher resolution which takes a lot of power (great for the gtx 1080) then you downsample the image to display at the lower resolution of the screen. This clears up the image considerably. In many cases you won't need additional anti aliasing to smooth out the jaggies of fine detail on your screen. The gtx 1080 isn't going to be able to render many games at 4k and a solid 60 fps. This is where G sync on the 1080p IPS panel gets nice. G sync just adapts the refresh rate of the panel to the render rate of the gpu. That means the screen will only attempt to refresh when the gpu has finished the render. No screen tearing! G sync only works within a refresh range of any given panel. So you want to limit your gpu from rendering above the refresh rate of the panel and limit your graphics settings so your minimum fps is above the minimum refresh rate of the panel.

 

Just called HID, sounds like Prema bios is still in development.

 

do you have the paid version or just the trial version ? because the trial version is locked so you can not write.

 

Yea I knew about screen tearing. I was just saying afraid of it doing it and having to experience that.

Thanks for the info on the super sampling.


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Does anyone have random, short freezes on the Creators Update? Any fixes?

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...6-owners-lounge.797128/page-493#post-10501243

 

Creators update is out? I hear the update assistant version is not identical, might want to wait until patch Tuesday.

 

Does anyone have any Kingston MSI24D4S7S8MB-8 they don't want?

 

@Phoenix @Mr. Fox looking for some help for an EVOC I purchased from HID, Donald suggested I reach out to see if you can help me with the BIOS. Bios came shipped with the locked version so I can't modify any XTU settings, was hoping you can help me get it unlocked. Thanks.