MSI GS63VR Stealth Pro Owner's Lounge

MSI does have a Sizing option utility on the GS63VR site. You could try that and see if it helps with blurry sizing issues.

https://www.msi.com/Laptop/support/GS63VR-6RF-Stealth-Pro.html#down-utility&Win10 64

Otherwise, you could change up the clear type settings in Windows to see if that helps (search Clear Type in windows), or change the Windows scaling options as mentioned.

 

Ok so after a week with the 001 model, i changed the HDD for A 1TB SSD, the 128 drive is far from my gs60's 256gb raid 0 array, but i plan on upgrading it eventually to a NVME SSD soon... ordered a samsung 960 evo....that should be fun...the screen after a few tweaks and playing around with the color settings is actually alot better, side by side with my GS60 i dont notice the difference as much as before. It was too cool and colors werent very accuratea bit of tweaking has fixxed most of my gripes with the screen. It really isnt as bad once you fool around with the color settings. I find text much clearer and sharper and colors much more accurate. I think once i change out the 128gb drive this thing will be pretty good. Of course the Amazon model to me is the better buy, i just for whatever reason didnt look into it wheni got mine. It wasnt avaialble at that moment and i didnt want to wait as i live abroad and ordering it would mean alot of taxes if i had to send it over. one thing id like to chime in. Fomr previous experiences with killer wifi,id rather have the intel solution as i think in my experience has been much more stable and flexible then the killer Wifi NIC. Also my battery lastas aroun 4 hours with light use and brightness at 50%. Gaming BF1 @ultra campaign i havnet seen temps pas the low 70s, and everything plays smoothly.. While typing this i have no fan noise i can perceive. While gaming, fans do make a bit of noise but nothing i can really complain about. How would one think they could do something this thin and not have a bit of fan noise to cool it. Overall In the week ive had it the experience has been similar to my GS60 except for the initial impression of the screen.

 

Another observation the Razer Power Brick works just fine with the GS63VR as well as the GS60, i had bought one to make the laptop a bit more mobile and used the GS60 stock brick at home and kept the razer in my bag. Tested this whole week as im visiting the Inlaws in the US and all works well i see no throttling in GPUZ nor do i see it on the CPU side either. So if anyone happens to have one of these or needs a second power adapter the razer one is a good option i got mine bout 2 years ago on ebay and has been a great upgrade in terms of portability. Also comingform the 860m to this on a laptop is very impressive. At home i had a crossfire r9 290x desktop and recently went 1070 sli, gaming on a 1440p monitor at home and 1080p on the go i cant say ive miseed a beat in terms of fps nor quality. Overall, like i said before, get the amazon version its a great deal. 512gb m2 and u can always put the 2.5" easily...plus the better screen, this one if u must then the BB version is not bad at all either.

 

Can you explain what kind of tweaks did you do? Mb some screenshots with your settings? Want to try out and see the difference, as i don't have anything to campare with rather than my old crappy laptop

Update: i squeezed 5 hours of battery life the other day out of this laptop. I should say it is impressive for such a machine.

Update 2: Did some testing in ROTTR benchmark, at least in this game i didn't see any improvements with gpu running at 1600MHz and 1709MHz, tried even 1810(didn't stay constant) but no improvements whatsoever. I have to get my hands on some other titles to see if there will really be a difference.

 

Isn't razer power brick a 150w? which is smaller than msi's?

 

I guess its because of the tdp limit of gtx1060 notebook version of 75w....If we can unlock the tdp to a desktop 100w or 120w the performance will be better.

 

Bought the GS63vr two days ago - I've the same issue. I contacted MSI support about this and they replied that in every case it's not normal behaviour, so I've sent it on RMA repair.

I haven't experienced such issue on my GS63, sorry to say, but probably just a bad piece (just like mine :-D ).


Otherwise I love the noteboook, it's dimensions... I own GT72 Dominator and it's just crazy big. But as I was playing with the GS63vr, I noticed worryingly high temperatures on the SSD (55°C under load? Come on...). Other thing I noticed, concerning the screen (I've the LGD046F), is that it's pretty damn dark compared to my GT72. I noticed it while I was watching quite dark youtube video and it was so dark I almost couldn't see anything (first thing I tried was to turn brightness to max, but that wasn't the case). Then I was trying to tune it with MSI true color and had to really crank gamma down (almost to it's minimum) to get similar result like my GT72 (which is a TN panel I believe). Anyone with the same panel and experience

 

I'd agree to that. Any fan issues you want to take care of, so they don't cause greater issues in the system later.

 

I belive so but ive been using for a long time with my GS60 with the 860m and since it worked so well i tried it, spent the past 10 days gamig on it every day while on xmas vacation and no issues whatsoever i assume the razer PS must be very efficient and we probably dont max out the 180w one. either way it works and in my opinion id much rater carry the razer adapter as it is so much lighter!!

 

Well about blurry fonts/letters in buggy Windows 10 chaps in macrosoft are just kind of lazy..
They messed it up I don't know why or how.. once sizing in windows is increased from 100% to 125% you will get some windows letter /fonts blurry e.g. device manager etc..
So since win 10 is alive guys in Microsoft can't be bothered to fix the issue even after many updates..
So here some good spirit made small program and took engine from win 8/8.1 and implemented it into win 10 by this soft. below..
http://windows10_dpi_blurry_fix.xpexplorer.com

 

Hi folks,
I found much useful info here and signed up to share my tweaking experience with the GS63VR. I first bought an Asus GL702VM but I got bad thermal performance and got the MSI as well to compare. Out of the box the GS63VR runs way cooler (about -10 degrees C on GPU and -8C on CPU) but has the more annoying high pitched fan sound.

I tried tweaking out both the Asus and MSI and found better controls and headroom on the MSI making it the winner for me. I'd still like to compare to the Alienware's though. I'll only write about the MSI tweaks here.

I undervolted the CPU's offset voltages using Throttlestop with these settings:
CPU Core -125mV
CPU cache -100mV
Analog I/O -100mV
Intel GPU -100mV
System Agent -100mV

I didn't spend much time pushing for the extreme limits. This has considerable effect on the CPU temps already.

I noticed the GL702VM had about 10% better 3D benchmark results so I tried overclocking the GS63VR's GTX1060 using Afterburner. I set Core Clock to +152MHz and Memory Clock to +253MHz which ran fine in hours of Unigine and 3Dmark benchmarks, with results on par or above the GL702VM. Again I didn't spend much time pushing this overclock to the extreme.

While tweaking the GL702VM I found a GPU core voltage curve that seems promising: http://onjax.narod.ru/gpu.png
I copied it on the GS63VR using Afterburner and this has been running fine. I haven't ran enough tests to give quantitative effects but in theory this should lower the GPU temp. On the GL702VM I noticed that the GPU was able to reach higher core clock frequencies with this curve.
<EDIT> I removed this voltage curve 'cause it ran stable in benchmarks but not in games.</EDIT>

Lastly, the fans. I 'm doign all tweaking in MSI Dragon Center. Shift is set to use Windows' Power options where I tweaked things to my personal liking. Not of much interest here I think. I use the advanced Fan Speed mode to control the curves. One thing I noted is that the GPU fan has considerable effect on the CPU temp as well so it can be useful to push up the GPU fan even though the GPU temperature might not call for it. I much prefer the lower noise of the GPU fan than the CPU's high pitched tone. Playing with that I came to the curves below. The highest temperatures with 100% fan are only reached in extreme burn-in tests of both CPU and GPU in parallel. In tests closer to my real use scenario (P95 blend with 2 processes + Kombustor GPU core burner v2 furry donut FHD 8xMSAA) it is never reached and the CPU fan remains relatively quiet thanks to the boosted GPU fans (I'm an audiovisual media performer/developer, not a gamer).

CPU: 0 - 30 - 55 - 66 - 80 - 100%
GPU: 0 - 30 - 54 - 85 - 92 - 100%

Some scores:

Unigine valley extreme HD: 62.2fps / 2603
Max temps: CPU 75C, GPU 73C

Kombustor
GPU core burner v2 furry donut 1920x1080: 3030 / 50fps
Lakes of Titan 1920x1080 : 8441 / 140fps
Plasma 1-M 1920x1080 : 10605 / 176fps
Max temps: CPU 71C, GPU 71C

3DMark Fire Strike: 10264
Max temps: CPU 75C, GPU 71C

3DMark Timespy: 3864
Max temps: CPU 79C, GPU 71C

Geekbench 4.0.3
single-core: 4186
multi-core: 12640
Max temps: CPU 68C

Prime95 blend 8 processes (15 minutes):
CPU temps oscillating between 67C and 81C depending on dynamic fan speed


PS: everytime the speakers try to play back a sound - even just a Windows bleep - my musician's heart bleeds. The GL702VM has amazing speakers, for a laptop. And its G-sync looks great, but as said gaming is of minor importance to me.

 

How did you manage the 5 hour battery life??? Im interested....After replacing the SSD drive with an NVME 512Gb one, if i could get the battery life around 5 hours I can start using the GS63VR for work fulltime!!

 

Quick Question can i swap theGS63VR panel for the GS60's samsung Panel?

 

Yes, I thought to myself: "Yea, everyone surely kind of exaggerates the bad sound quality from the speakers...". And first time I heard that Windows bleep I thought it's a joke. I don't know if I have faulty one (I believe I've read about it here already), but there's some distortion coming out from the left, so the speakers are practically unusable... I pointed that out when I was sending it to a RMA warranty repair. It shoud arrive around 10th, so I'm curious about the outcome.


PS: Thanks for the thorough description of your experience - I want to try out some undervolting and lower the temps a bit if I can.

 

Ok so after my tirp to see the inlaws i sat down for a good while with my GS60 side by side with the gs63vr,looking at the same youtube videos in 1080p and comparing web pages,games ,benchmarks..etc....and here are my conclusions...First off we were definitely let down with the choice of Panel for the 001, the samsung panel on the GS60 even though a little warm for my tastes in stock settings is still much more vibrant and brighter. Now take this with a grain of salt for someone coming for your average joe laptop the 001 and pretty much any sub-par hd display might actually seem ok or even nice but for me coming from a retina mbp and the gs60, well guess im spoiled, and expect more for my money. Now not all is lost, as panel settings are very subjective to ones eyes,as for example i always found the GS60 amazing igzio panel a bit warmer than i liked some others find it just right. of course without a proper colorimeter i cant set things to say perfection but i found a happy medium that i can play games at and view everything at acceptable and even enjoyable levels. first off the 001 panel colors are horrible, they didnt even make an effort to set the machine up to at least seem passable, so what i setout was try to tweak the color setting in the intel display options to try and emulate a bit between the mbp retina and the gs60. So if i were to tell anyone totry something, again i am no professional im just someone trying to make this work as i live abroad and returning the laptop eventhough i will be in the US in 2 weeks would put me over the return window...although i probably might try and see. for those that wont have the option try this and let me know what you think......

ON THE INTEL GRAPHICS CONTROL PANEL

IN BASIC

BRIGHTNESS 0

CONTRAST 50

GAMMA 0.8

IN ADVANCED

HUE 5

SATURATION 25

Of course one can also then tweak individual colors and such to ones liking i say find something to reference of, fortunately i have good pc displays close by to compare to and as such tweaked as close to what i like about those and at the same time try to correct what i dont ie. if i find some warmer than i would like. i took my wifes NEC professional monitor and also compared to it. Remember i am no graphics designer nor anything of the sort so these settings pretty much are for gaming and regular use. The best would be if someone had a colorimeter than send what u find, remember the vibrancy of the gs60 is pretty impossible to emulate in this panel but the color representation comes pretty close with these to me...let me know what u think....thanks



P.S: Is it just me or did Msi screw up the speakers coming form the GS60...to me they sound fuller on the old model

 

Can't compare with GS60, but the sound coming from GS63 is terrible... I'm starting to think that even my Samsung Galaxy note 10.1 tablet sounds better (and without any resonance/distortion)...

 

Most welcome. Definitely let us know if there's any improvement on the speakers. Not that I care much about laptop speakers (got a warehouse full of hi-q PA gear good for dozens of kilowatts of power ) but it 'd be useful to know if there's something defective.

 

Sorry if it's been discussed here but I don't see how I can search this specific thread. Global forum search didn't bring this up.

Did anyone work out a reliable way to make the secondary HDD turn off? When tweaked to shut off fans on low load the only thing still making sound is the HDD. I set Dragon Center to use the WIndows power settings and set the HD's to turn off after a couple of minutes of idle but it rarely works. It seems the HDD will only turn off when on battery power and after a much longer period than the couple of minutes I set. I only have a couple of files on there and no programs installed. I disabled all background apps in Windows to make sure none of them is accessing it but the issue is still there. I also have Dragon Center's USB and storage boost off.

 

You can use Windows utility "diskpart", I think it can set the HDD offline. Just search it in windows, start it up and cmd should come up... It should be relatively easy using commands:

list disk - shows what HDDs are connected (and their ID - Disk 0, Disk 1,...)
select disk "ID of the disc you want to work with" - for example "select disk 1"
offline disk - should turn the HDD off...

Now when you open disc management in windows, the HDD should show up as offline.
Hope it helps.

PS: But this is probably only part solution to your problem, I don't know if the HDD stays offline even after restart, I never tested that.

 

Thanks. Sounds a bit clunky though. Ideally the automatic timed shutt off would just work...

 

Why am I not surprised... I used Process Monitor to analyze what's accessing the HDD (technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896645.aspx) and it's a process called MSI_ActiveX_Service.exe doing 3 operations constantly, as in every second, on D:\ :

CreateFile
QuerySizeInformationVolume
CloseFile

Now working out how to get rid of that...

Want to know if your system does it too? Just check your HD acitivity LED light... Mine lights every second or so.

 

Yeah should time off under no use...ideally one should change that darn drive for an ssd...I just took my micron 1TB drive from my GS60 and swapped it into the GS63, Now just waiting on a 512gb NVME drive as the raid 0 arrayi had on the GS60 runs circle around the 128gb m2 drive.

 

Killing MSI_ActiveX_Service.exe fixes it but now I'm not sure whether that changes the operation of other components... According to this page it gets installed bij Dragon Center: http://www.shouldiremoveit.com/dragon-center-179637-program.aspx

Grrr I don't have time to go through testing of CPU, GPU, fans etc. to see if they still work as before. I might leave it on there. I'm not working in dead silent environments very often anyway. Or I might pull out the HDD altogether.

 

Why not just uninstall the entire Killer suite and go with the driver-only option? The driver package is available at Killer's website, see below link.
[ Driver-only downloads]

 

It's not a Killer suite, it's MSI's suite and I tweaked out the CPU and GPU fan curves using it. Interesting try will be to see if these hold when Dragon Center is not made to load on boot, and whether that prevents the obnoxious process from running.

 

Ooops my bad, I misread it.

 

Do yourself a solid and invest in a 500gb to 1tb ssd depending on your needs, they are very affordable and to me is a must in this laptop. Solves alot of issues plus you gain a ton of speed in loading times for games or other tasks. Remember that unless u feel comfortable replacing the M2 drive or unless u bought the amazon Gs63vr most of us are stuck with the 128gb drive for OS, i personally will be upgrading to a 512gb NVME drive the 960evo, will get it sometime this week i think, now im just thinking of wether or not to wait a month and get 32gb ram and just max the darn thing out since ill be taking it apart. I might do it just to future proof the living heck out of it!! I can always replace the 2.5 anytime as thats eaSY!

 

Hi Guys, Msi site now shows GS63 and GS73 with GTX1070, is that right?

https://www.msi.com/Laptop/GS63VR-7RG-Stealth-Pro.html#hero-overview

 

Hm... That smells fishy to me, I don't think they could manage to squeeze 1070 in that small form factor and still be able to reasonably keep it cool... I'd say that it is just a mistake in the text, but we'll see, I'm looking forward to the new models.

 

It also has updated Kaby Lake CPU. Perhaps the CPU is that much cooler that they think they can make a GTX1070 work in it.

 

Mine 's a Dutch version with 256GB M2 SSD, 1TB HDD and 16GB RAM. But agreed, replacing it by an SSD is a viable option, though MSI's software should still not be screwing things up like that.

 

Yes, but still... I looked up if there are the new models at msi website in my country and there's GTX1060 coupled with the new Kaby Lake processor, no mention of GTX1070 (only mentions of 1050 Ti). But it can be only for my country, now I'm really interested in the new models.

 

Problem solved. MSI has an app called Silent Option that does the exact same fan control as in Dragon Center. So now I could uninstall it and its pesky little HD polling service. I wasn't using any other feature from Dragon Center. Apps like True Color remain accessible individually. Silent Option: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=255972.0

I found this solution in the GS43VR thread on this forum. In there are also reports of how Dragon Center's Shift works unreliably. I don't understand how MSI can release buggy crap like this.

 

Weird, I haven't had any problems with the dragon center. Although i do have an ssd instead of the HDD so maybe i just havent experienced it. And lucky u for getting 256g!!

 

That is on the MSI Global website and is not available in the US market, and may not be released globally until a later date.

There is nothing fishy about it...MSI will have excellent cooling for it.

 

It looks like MSI fixed it on their Global site now, setting Kabylake only and GS series, only the GS73VR shows having a 1070, all the GS63VR's show only 1060 / 1050ti:



IDK if MSI fixed the product pages themselves yet...

 

It would be interesting to see how the GS63 handles the 1070 thermals.....unless they revised the cooling solution a bit with better performing fans, either higher rpm which means more noise or more efficient...Now i really feel like an idiot for buying this in BB..should figure out a return and wait for the new configs...hehehehehe..will see if i can in 2 weeks when im back in the US...The one thing i would love them do is put the GS43VR battery on the GS63VR..If we caould get 6 hours out of this thing itd be as near perfect as we can...maybe throw in a glas trackpad while we are at it...For premium money 1600+ we should get the premium experience, also stop this nonsense with the screens, should be like the GS60...1080p ips great screen and then optional higher res ips screens, dont ruin the experience for the users depending of where they buy the machines. I get the different configurations but the screen quality should be non negotiable.

 

The nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 will be available on both the GS63VR and GS73VR with the 4K screen...but no date for their release yet.

 

The -001 version that you get at BestBuy is a much lower grade screen than the other versions you get from resellers. This has been well documented...that is how the BestBuy version gets its low price.

 

I am fully aware of this and feel like an idiot for buying it at bb and not doing better reaserch but coming form a GS60 where they were all good displays how is the average joe supposed to know this as they dont really specify. I agree on this being documented and i shouldve looked into it but like i said coming from a previous GS60 i had no reason to belivee this was going to be the case i have a GTX960m GS60 and has a great display. Also the Asus laptops in BB have their regular screens. Im just saying its a bit misleading eventhough i blame myslef for not reading up on this beforehand. Also i live abroad its harder for me and some others to get the laptops thru mail, our best bet someitmes is to come into the US and actually buy it at a physiscal store. On My case i bought it on an impukse buy when i saw how much smaller it was compared to my GS60. My other option was to have it ordered on Amaozn for me but then i wouldnt have gotten it in time while i was there and to have it sent to me would mean more taxes, 18% in my case plus the extra shipping.But you are correct and in My case already being a member of this forum for years i shoudlve read up on this...and thats on me. If i get the chance to return it in 2 weeks i might go that route if not..on to NVME and display swap sometime down the line. After a little tinkering i got the display a bit better but def not gs60 quality

 

Where did u get the confirmation?
Finally I could not meet with MSI in CES (I work for intel) and at least when I asked to our gaming product team at Intel about the slim notebooks Gs with 1070 they told me that they did not know about it... Still a mistery...




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Thanks for the info. Will it come to the 1080p versions as well, or will it be limited to the 4K models? I would be very interested in a GS73VR with a 1070 and a 1080p 120hz screen.

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The nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 will only be available on the 4K models.

 

No Mystery...had you been able to meet with MSI, they would have confirmed it.

We are major MSI BTO dealers...so we get our information directly from MSI.

 

Will they be using the same 120hz panels or will they have gsync this time? Also will it be on the 63VR this time?

 

Thanks for the information. Will the cooling system be upgraded to deal with the hotter and more powerful GPU? I really hope it is.

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The Full HD (1920x1080) is 120Hz 5ms 94%NTSC. There is not 120Hz 4K screen. Neither will have G-Sync, but G-Sync has little value on a 120Hz panel.

 

Yes, the thermal solution will be adequate for the nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070.

 

Thanks! That's good to hear. Will it be on the 63VR?

 

I certainly hope so, since in Notebookcheck's review of the GS73VR, the CPU reached 95C in the stress test, and the GPU hit 85C. If they can keep CPU and GPU to 81C-82C each, it will be much better. How much do you think the weight increase will be?

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