MSI GS63VR Stealth Pro Owner's Lounge

If you have $25 to spare, replacing it takes about 20 minutes. At the very least, open it up to make sure one of the antenna aren't connected. That could also be an issue.

 

Going back to an old version of the Killer software wouldn't help, Windows 10 marches on, use the newest versions on the Killer Suite site is your best choice.

If you aren't using WPA2/AES on your router, you should, it's the securest mode, and you will find all good routers have it set up.
http://www.howtogeek.com/204697/wi-fi-security-should-you-use-wpa2-aes-wpa2-tkip-or-both/

Your router should also be updated with the latest Firmware downloaded from your routers maker's support site.

You can swap with an Intel 8260 card for a few bucks, it's something that can be configured by your seller if they offer it. Or you can do that yourself.

But, that card is incompatible with some routers too, it's a toss up which to get / use until you test against your own router(s).

 

Hello, everyone,
I have such a question: has anyone been able to upgrade RAM/pcie SSD? When I tried to remove the motherboard, I couldn't do it because even after I removed all screws, the motherboard was still being hold by something at the lower left corner.
Also, I have a problem with 1060m activating randomly and causing 1 sec stutters. This problem was widely spread with the older drivers and seems to be resolved for most ppl now, but I still have it with the latest drivers. Tried to do almost everything I do with the drivers, no luck :/ Gonna try clean another clean windows install (I've already wiped the MSI's preinstalled system and didn't take a recovery image, and it looks like that wasn't a wise choice - at least I could roll back to it and check whether the problem persisted).

 

Check for some hidden screws. There's a chance you missed one. Check under all the tape and cables.

As for your stutters, I don't think anyone has permanently fixed this yet. I keep seeing it every now and then. It is definitely when the GPU switches. This is affecting GS43,63 and 73 owners. I'm going to say that it is most likely an Optimus issue and will eventually be fixed through Intel drivers or even Nvidia. I've lurked in other threads but most of them are Gsync and they don't have these issues. Other Optimus models aren't released yet and the 900m series laptops definitely don't have this issue. The 10xx series are pretty new for laptops so I'm not too surprised there are issues. I jsut hope it's software. It's hard to believe that it's an MSI only issue and can't be fixed. We'll see if the Razer Blade users have the same issues here shortly. In the meantime, it's probably best that we all contact MSI support so they start looking into it. Otherwise nothing will get fixed.

 

I am having the same microstutters problem here... tried with different drivers and no luck and been reading other threads with no solution yet.

 

I put in a support ticket for the GS73VR. I recommend more than one of you do the same for this model. The more people that report the issue, the more seriously MSI will take it. It would also help to post in their forum about it as well.

The guy I spoke with said he hasn't heard the issue before. It's getting reported to HQ though so I'm sure they'll be working on a fix, if they aren't already. It wasn't clear if I would get contacted back or not.

 

A user in the GS43 thread came up with a work around, to keep the 1060 active all the time so as to stop the stutters. Another user came up with similar solution.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/msi-gs43vr-phantom-pros-owners-lounge.793376/#post-10345154

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...os-owners-lounge.793376/page-47#post-10345305

An earlier solution was to uninstall the Elan drivers and use the MS Generic.

But, Windows 10 automatically reinstalls the Elan driver:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...os-owners-lounge.793376/page-47#post-10344723

And a another user posted a solution to stop MS driver updates:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...os-owners-lounge.793376/page-47#post-10344748

And, another solution using NVI (Nvidia Inspector):

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ros-owners-lounge.793376/page-3#post-10344237

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...os-owners-lounge.793376/page-46#post-10344255

And, an owner that got rid of stuttering by uninstalling Nahimic:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...vr-owners-lounge.795277/page-21#post-10347286

 

I havnt noticed any micro stuttering on mine as of yet... During gaming or normal usage either... And during normal usaga, im mostly using the trackpad. I havnt reinstalled windows clean, still on factory. Are all users affected by this, or just some or the majority? :-/

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In my case I am using an external mouse... And is happening only in Windows... And exactly when the Gpu is changing on and off (not during gaming)

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I'm glad I'm not having that micro stuttering issue, that or I'm just too noobish to notice that lol!

Also can someone check GPU core and memory clocks of their 1060? In the review of the GS63VR on tBreak website, it stated that core clock was at 1405 MHz and boost clock of 1569 MHz. And memory of 8008 MHz. When I ran Unigine Valley yesterday, my core clock was at 1911 MHz and Memory was at 4004 MHz. If what on the website is true, my memory clock is just only at 50%... Can someone run a test or something please? Any thoughts @hmscott

 

GDDR5 send data at 4004Mhz but this type of memory is able to send 2 bit simultaneously vs 1bit for the old SDR memory (that disappeared nowadays) ..
But maybe for marketing reason, manufacters give the frequency like if Gddr5 send only 1bit at a time = 4004 x 2 = 8008Mhz memory
So don't be afraid, your Gpu Vram run at normal speed.

 

Thank you for clarifying @Tonrac

 

That's the world of advertising - always show the highest figure possible.

 

FYI, I did a review of the GS63VR here: http://www.ultrabookreview.com/12557-msi-gs63vr-review/

Also I did a teardown guide of the GS73VR. The laptops are nearly identical, so 63 owners should be able to use this as well. http://www.ultrabookreview.com/12757-upgrade-ram-ssd-msi-gs73/

 

Great review! BTW I have the best buy version and it Is the same FHD panel version as the one you reviewed... The good thing about the best buy version is that has the Intel Ac8260 WiFi instead of the killer one and is only $1549... That is showing problems for some users... +200US I change to 1TB SSD.

Quick question... It was easy to make the Razer Core to work properly? Do you recommend it? ... I was thinking on getting a 1440p monitor with gsync and to couple it with a gtx1080...

I am suffering also micro stutters in the mouse movement when the Gpu is changing from internal to discrete... While I am on Windows.... Did u get the same behavior before making a clean windows install? Then it disappeared... Several of us are suffering from that in the different versions. GS43/GS63/GS73

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I had exactly that and it worked fine. My monitor wasn't gsync though but it was 96Hz for many games.

I recommend it only if you don't mind the performance hit from using the core. There's also another performance hit with the CPU as opposed to using a desktop. If you check that site, I also reviewed the core with the 1080. The Gs63 and 73 performed identically to the Razer blade, so you can pretty much see my benchmarks there. There are also a couple bugs with the core that still aren't fixed.

I actually just sold my core though and used the money to build a ridiculously powerful mini ITX rig. I may go back to the core but I wanted to fully utilize my 1080. I get bored easily so I'll probably sell my rig on eBay and go back to the core in a couple months.

 

Thanks I will read it! The only thing is that the Core is still ridiculously expensive... Hoping MSI or Asus enter to compete... Since u are right maybe make more sense to build a mini ITX.

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It's a toss up. The mITX build is a little more expensive but you get more power, especially if you do it right. The Core was $500 and I sold it for what I paid for it since it's still on backorder. With that money I bought an mITX case($50), mITX mobo($135), 750 watt modular gold PSU($50 AR), i7-6700k($300), RAM($68), water cooler($70). That's $173 more expensive and you also need to add a SSD to complete it. My case takes up twice as much space as the Core did.

I really wanted to keep it but between the bugs, performance drop and the fact I decided to keep the GS73VR over the 63VR, it was time to let it go. The GS73VR is just too big to put on my desk with the Core.

 

Hey!

Received my laptop today, but I have one question: Is it normal for the CPU to be 65 - 80 °C? Even when I'm not doing anything?

Also, what is the best way to get rid of the bloatware without having to reinstall windows?

Thanks in advance! <3

 

With the crappy software, it is perhaps normal. For me, the latest Killer drivers were causing a CPU usage leak after heavy streaming. I had to install older drivers. Nahimic and Dragon Center together also load the CPU 5-20% while idle or doing very little. They also cause bugs. I have been much happier and have had lower temps after uninstalling them. If you want to check your temps and stats, I recommend HWinfo or AIDA64.

Norton Antivirus definitely has to go too. After uninstalling some of the crap, the experience has been as good as a fresh Windows install.

EDIT: I'm noticing less CPU usage with the latest update to Dragon.

 

The numbers showing as 1/2 or even 1/4 in monitoring tools is common; if it's an even multiple it's scaled differently than the mfgr lists it. Try different programs, one or the other will read directly, the others you just multiply.

Those numbers look great for a GS43, right? They would be a bit below a desktop, maybe a bit below a 17" / 15" due to tougher cooling resources.

But, there are plenty of desktop GPU's that only run that high as well.

 

Smart move putting a CPU in your desktop GPU box

That's what bothers me about the eGPU concept, it's idle and pointless without a computer (laptop) connected.

You have the expensive Core, the GPU, the external keyboard / mouse, the external extra storage, and probably one to three monitors, but it's all useless/pointless without a CPU.

So, add a CPU, and Bingo!! you've got a desktop computer!!

What's so wrong with that??

Hook up your laptop to the network, and transfer files back / forth between the desktop and you have 2 computers, with option of using both or just one.

You gain so much by putting a CPU into that desktop 'eGPU' paradigm.

You get a wholly useful, whole desktop computer

 

You may not be doing something, but the computer might be

A new computer first time setup and on the internet will do a lot of background stuff, spread out over time, as different scheduled background processes run.

Look at your Task Manager and Performance Monitor windows, sort by CPU, and Disk IO, and extend the File tab to see where the files are being read from / written to - sort by Read / Write tabs.

Then you can see what is using CPU and Reading/Writing while doing it's work.

 

And, that's all you really need to do, just uninstall some of the bad acting pre-installed apps, you don't need a start over from MS media.

It's too bad Nahimic is acting up, did you install the duo pair of apps - Realtek + Nahimic? They need to be paired together as one depends on the other to function correctly. There might be additional tweaking instructions or install order info to go with them in the support page for Drivers.

What version of Killer driver works? I have been suggesting installing the latest version, but if that is bugged, then the specific one you know to work is a vital detail to share

 

Hi Derek712, the lacklustre screen on the 63, do you think you had the 001 model? Or, do you know you had the 34 or one of the models with the better screen? I know the 001 model has, imho, a poor screen. If you found you had the 34 or 41 or 68 and the screen was also bad, please let us know here...ty in advance

 

It's the -001. That's the only one best buy has. I've heard rumours that the other models have a better fhd screen but nobody has actually confirmed it yet, have they?

 

Thank you so much for answering my question!

I used IObit to make sure Killer and some other bloatware doesn't start up automatically, and uninstalled Nahimic. It's mostly around 45°C now, when I'm making homework for school with Spotify in the background, so that really helped I guess haha. The fans are also better after using the advanced/custom option, thank god :')

I'm not sure about uninstalling Norton though, I don't have any other anti virus program and I'd rather be safe than sorry hahaha

Do you have any other tips for me?

 

my question exactly. I will ask saltymac on his youtube video channel, he has been quick to answer questoins, and he bought both the 502vs and the gs63vr and has done, hands down, the best *youtube* review of both of them.

 

I've tried to disassemble my gs63vr again, only to get stuck with the problems I had previously again . Battery plug is too stiff, and compared to gs73vr there isn't enough space to pull the wires properly - I can only hold 2-3 wires simultaneously. Also, again, even after removing all the screws, I still can't lift the motherboard - see photos/videos here (warning - video is ~100mb). You can see that I try to gently lift/rotate/pull to the side the motherboard, but it's still attached to the chassis.

 

which side does it feel like it's stuck on?

 

Couple things. First, is your speaker on the left disconnected? It looks like it's still plugged in. It's tucked underneath. Also, check and see of your thunderbolt port and power jack is in the side. It looks like you might have to pull the motherboard to the right a little for them to clear the edge.

If you still have trouble with the battery, just remove it. I'm almost positive it's just held on by tape. Then you can get at the connector easier.

Edit: actually it looks like both speakers are still plugged in. Follow those red and black wires on the left hand side.

 

Yea, I actually was trying to pull the motherboard the right, but it just didn't want to move. I too think that it's stuck somewhere near the power or mDP jack. Actually, looking at the photos once again I'm pretty sure that this is the main cause of the problem - on my photos the connectors seem to be stuck in the holes on the side of the laptop, while on yours there's some distance between connectors and chassis; it's a bit strange, though, that pulling to the right doesn't help. About the battery - ideally, if I can slightly lift the mobo then I can hold the connector properly and will be able to detach it without removing the battery.
Speakers are plugged in, but those haven't been a problem yet. If I disconnect them and still won't be able to lift the motherboard, it seems that reconnecting them will be slightly troublesome, so I'm gonna remove that connector once everything else is done.

 

Finally I can post here. Yesterday I got first of two coming gs63vr both for my wife and me. We ordered two identical configs from iBuypower (check it below) for $1796 each. So far haven't tested for gaming, just made a fresh new Win10 installation with some drivers/software from MSI. So here are my two cent about two points which I believe are the main concerns about these laptops (at least they were for me).

1. Microstutters were there initially, but maybe after some driver updates they are gone. I cannot say they were really noticeable, so probably I could live even with them.
2. The LCD panel. I cannot post a screenshot from HWinfo right now, but I remember the panel there is Samsung SDC324C 156HL01-104. There is not much information on web about, but ASUS here has the same panel. Anyway, I am not too picky, even my old Asus N56vz screen still seems good for me (and it is pretty average TN). Personally, I can say it seems good in terms of black/brightness and viewing angles.

The laptop itself feels good, solid build, btw weight is 1.948 grams. Power adapter is not so huge, as I expected it to be. It reasonable weight and size, again my old Asus has more or less the same brick, but being 2 times less powerful.
P.S. Speakers are below average. Loud, but no bass at all.

Spoiler: Config

Case(MSI GS63VR Stealth, 15.6" IPS FHD, Anti-Glare 1920x1080 [SKL])
Processor(Intel® Core™ i7-6700HQ Mobile Processor (4x 2.6GHz/6MB L3 Cache) [GS63])
Memory(16GB [8GB x 2] 2400MHz DDR4 SO-DIMM Laptop Memory - G.SKILL *FREE UPGRADE from 8GB-2133* (for ALL MSI 10 Series Laptops))
Video Card(NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB GDDR5 - VR Ready [GS63])
M.2 Solid State Drive(512GB ADATA SP900 M.2 SSD -- Read: 550MB/s; Write: 530MB/s - Single Drive **$50 INSTANT OFF**)
Primary Hard Drive(1 TB 7200rpm Super Slim Laptop Hard Drive - Single Drive)
Media Card Reader / Writer(Built-in SD Memory Card Reader/Writer [Laptop])
Sound Card(HD Audio with Dynaudio system)
Network Card(Killer E2400 Gaming Network)
Internal Wireless Network Adapter(802.11 a/c Wi-Fi + Bluetooth Combo [M.2])
Operating System(Windows 10 Home + Office 365 Trial [Free 30-Day !!!] - (64-bit) *Newest Microsoft Windows*)
Mouse(None)
USB Ports(Built-in 1x USB 3.1 Type C + 3x USB 3.0 + 1x USB 2.0 Ports [Laptop])
Carrying Case(None)
Webcam(Built-in HD Digital Web Video Camera [MSI])

 

Thanks! so it's confirmed.. Best buy version has the crappy screen and different wireless card (Intel not killer) so definitely is a different and exclusive sku with some cost savings maybe.

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Ive the 6RF version. Its a really good ips screen, and i dont have screen bleed at all so happy with that, because i did expect there to be some backlight bleed, but its a pleasant surprise

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Hey!

Somehow my headphone jack isnt working, anyone on here who knows how to solve this?

Thanks <3

 

Push it in all the way?

Did you swap SoundBlaster for Nahimic, or unintall Realtek/Nahimic - check the Realtek control panel - or the other two.

You might have enabled Mute in Headphone mode, or dropped Mute in Youtube, or run the slider down too far.

 

Are most of you guys happy with your machines? Are you worried about the heat?

I am torn between the 43vr or the 63vr or waiting to see if other options come out that can compete with them. I feel like if I was going to get the 63 though I would get the 4k display and I am worried about the heat and battery life but want something in that light 4 pound range that is thin and small to carry with me everywhere.

 

Has anyone in the Forum this version (exclusive from amazon) GS63VR Stealth Pro-068
I was wondering which panel has, I want to change my GS63VR Pro-001 that was bought in Best Buy for the Amazon version if the panel is better (or at least different)

 

They are all the same, not sure why people think they are using anything different. They are all the LG.

 

Couple of post before an user reported having a Samsung Panel....

2. The LCD panel. I cannot post a screenshot from HWinfo right now, but I remember the panel there is Samsung SDC324C 156HL01-104.

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Well that is weird if that's the case.. I guess since there's no G-Sync they can use a panel lottery. Nevermind then, I've had two GS63VRs.. One from BB and one from Amazon and both had a LG.

 

I am planning to get the amazon version with 512 gb m2. That is the one you got?

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Yes.

If they are using the Samsung PLS from the GS60, the new LG is definitely better out of those two.

 

I totally disagree. On paper and in person, the old GS60 FHD screen blows this new one away.

http://www.panelook.com/LTN156HL01_Samsung_15.6_LCM_overview_24053.html

http://www.panelook.com/LP156WF6-SPK1_LG Display_15.6_LCM_overview_27076.html

 

Well, I found the old Samsung PLS to be a lot warmer than the newer LGs.. Plus the old Samsung PLS had PWM dimming whereas the new LG does not.. The Samsung was probably more accurate though.

 

Warm colors can easily be corrected with a calibrated icc profile. There's nothing you can do about a mediocre color space though. You're stuck with it. The Samsung panel has nearly twice as many colors as that LG panel. Not having PWM is nice but not at the expense of reduced screen brightness and color space. I'm not prone to bring bothered by PWM though, so opinions will differ on that.

 

A reader just commented on my post that they bought one from ibuypower.com and received a unit with SDC324C. That model lines up with LTN156HL01-102, which is Samsung and equivalent to the old GS60 panels. It definitely looks like there are other FHD options out there.

 

I did another test of stuttering on GPU switch issue today. Installed clean windows 10 (tried both 1511 and 1607), didn't connect the system to internet so it won't install any extra drivers, and installed drivers provided by MSI in their recommended order (chipset-intel GPU-nvidia GPU). Both tries had the same result - stuttering appeared after installing nvidia drivers (i.e. after optimus actually starts working). Well, this result was to be expected, just tried it to be 100% sure it's not related to the incorrect driver installation order/problems with drivers windows installs from internet by default/etc. Also, LatencyMon gives me not good results, and on high CPU usage (compiling big enough project) I experience a significant input delay; probably gonna try to uninstall nvidia drivers and check latencyMon/input delay w/o them.

 

Picking up one of these locally tomorrow, 1080P with 128GB ssd and 1 tb mechanical.

I have a spare samsung evo 850 500gb that i am going to swap in. What is access to the hard drive bay like?

Also will the bios support booting from the secondary as opposed to the M2?

Thanks