*The Offical MSI GX60 Owners Lounge*

Well supposedly the HD8970m which will come with GX70 is a higher clock rebrand of the GX60's HD7970m. Considering that the main culprit of performance bottleneck is the CPU, the increase in the CPU APU category and speed will bring more performance than slapping a rebranded higher clocked HD7970m in there.

Besides, performance should remain fairly similar I really hope they work on those CPUs to start offering a stronger performer. Even a 45w CPU would be ideal.

 

200 more just for a 10% APU upgrade without nothing else?

 

No, backlit keyboard is user upgradable...

You can always get the old 1 and stick in an A10-5750m engineering sample like those in the chinese forum did...

 

The GX60 will probably be updated with a 8970M.

They should start appearing in some markets about the same time the GX70 is on the shelves.

The GX60 Hitman with the A10 5750M/7970M was available here beginning during the 3rd week in March.

In the last week the price has dropped almost $100.It started off at about $1000 about 7 weeks ago without an OS but now it's around $900 from on-line retailers when certain credit cards are used.

 

MSI GX70 Review
8000 GPU Score.

 

My MSI GX60 7759 GPU score Proof ===>>>> AMD Radeon HD 7660G video card benchmark result - AMD A10-4600M,Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. MS-16FK score: P5161 3DMarks

 

Looks like they did that run without tesselation.

 

Yeah, HD7970m users can run without tessalation and compare the score. It's a bad way to inflate the score.

 

May as well drop the resolution or just write a score you like the look of on a piece of paper with a crayon.

 

Which game benchmark did you mean? Tesselation seems to be on in their Tomb Raider benchmark..

 

Thanks for the correction considering the backlit keyboard :thumbsup: (is this a GT60 keyboard?)
I think it is best to get an old GX60 cheap now and upgrade to the A10 5750M yourself.
The HD 8970M is not necessary, the A10 is still limiting the HD 7970M (maybe OC the A10 5750M might stop this).
@DoGGyPlanetWoof:
You also get the Hitman Game, the new APU offers better CPU and integrated GPU performance.
Also it should be more energy efficient. If this is worth 200dollars more, is up to you.

 

Should be a GT60 keyboard...
The official A10-5750m is locked and therefore can't be OCed...
Those OCed A10-5750m are engineering sample...(they somehow manage to source it)...

 

So oc the A10 5750M is not possible? But what about fixing the turbo mode (as the A10 4600M)? This should be possible if they manage to get PSCheck working on Win8 (or if you are using win7, this should work anyway?)
I just wonder if there is no special connector necessary, to connect the mainboard with the keyboard. Has anybody in this forum changed the GX60 keyboard to a backlit one?

 

Yes. OC a10-5750m is not possible...PScheck in win 8 is not working as well....
those in the chinese forum use win 7 and engineering sample...so not sure whether official a10-5750m would work with PScheck in win 7....
There are some subtle differences between engineering sample and final product...the engineering product doesn't require BIOS update according to people at the chinese forum..

someone here mentioned before there's a connector for backlit keyboard in GX60...just need to get the correct keyboard...

Edit: seems like a10-5750m engineering sample has bugs.....reported by quite a few people over at the chinese forum..

 

Yes I put a clevo keyboard into a GX60 to test it and the backlighting worked.

 

Can you give me spec of this keyboard, price and a short tutorial how to manage this? I am very interested cause I wanna stay with my GX60 for years ;p

 

I would not recommend the clevo over the MSI one, the action is much poorer.

 

ok, I got that if I wanna then I have to change to MSI GT one. but please tell me, did you change firmware? on msi site we have only for non backlight keyboard

 

Sorry for the slow reply. I got it last night and yes its the Hitman edition but it has no backlit keyboard.

 

So my GX60 3AE showed up yesterday from Newegg with its shiny new A10-5750 processor in it. First lets talk about packaging. Boxes, within boxes, within boxes. It was like one of those Russian nesting dolls.

It is the Hitman edition which is interesting given the performance of that game. It does not have a backlit keyboard either. Also I'd like to point out that at $1300 it should really have more then 8GB RAM but this is nitpicking. I am using this as a desktop replacement for an early AMD six core 1035t PC with a 5770 graphics card that has issues. Setting the laptop up on the machine is painless and you are up and running quickly. Of course when you do the Windows updates give yourself about thirty minutes to install and reboot. Even at 7200rpm that hard drive is holding the machine back.I look forward to adding an SSD to the machine in the fall after Windows Blue's release.

I forgot how small a 15.6" screen was until I had it sitting next to my two 21" monitors. Although that screen is very bright and clean. All the more impressive given its matte finish. I am very impressed with the screen and it looked great watching Dredd on it off of DVD last night as well. Performance wise it feels about the same as old six core. Which isn't too surprising. Although I found two things that tripped it up. First was that Chrome running a flash game (in this case settlers online) just stumbled and lagged all over itself. Something I am hoping to address by forcing Chrome to use the 7970 but also something the online video should have been able to handle with ease. Flash is Flash what can you say. The second thing was moving something on VLC between the two monitors. This caused the machine to crash. That may be a case of it having to switch video cards. I am running the 13.5 beta catalyst if that helps.

So far I have it running only one external monitor through the VGA adapter and I am getting some real nasty black interlacing lines on that second monitor. This could be the cable though and I am going to try a spare tonight to see if that helps. The flashing is making me a bit nuts. For the old desktop both monitors were attached via DVI. I should have my mini-DP to DVI cable tomorrow to see how the second monitor looks as well as how well it handles three screens at once. This will be stretching that laptops legs especially when I start to stream tv through my Diamond TV USB stick. If I find the issue goes away with that setup. I may do a HDMI to DVI adaptor for the second monitor to keep the signal digital.

I played Hitman using the laptops monitor due to the black line issues on my second monitor. The game looks great but I had to bring it down to medium settings. Which is odd given the reviews. I will tweak it some more to see if i can go with some higher details.

I have yet to find the ability to force a program to use the 7970 instead of the internal graphics. I believe its called AMD Vision control panel but I won't have a chance to check until after work.

So if you have questions or want something tested let me know.

 

While playing hitman, what color is your led in your power button? To set hitman or other executables use your 7990 right click on your desktop and choose "Configure Switchable Graphics). Set hitman to high performance. While playing the game the led in your powerbutton needs to be orange. gl

 

hey all, I have MSI GX60 and what should I download the Catalyst driver, AMD catalyst 13.5 for windows or AMD mobilty catalyst 13.5 for windows what's the difference between them? sorry I'm new here so I have limited knowledge.
And how to Turbo core your CPU? how does it work?

 

So last night I found the AMD Vision center where those settings live and what a difference. Oddly by default the system is set to use the onboard graphics when its plugged in for almost everything. Here are some other notes from using it last night I posted somewhere else.

Next I started to work on getting the most out of it. One of things that most users don't see or care about is that IE and Chrome are 32bit by default. Which becomes an issue when you are running multiple tabs with Flash running and other content. Unfortunatly this Google fanboy will not be to upgrade my version of Chrome to 64bit. Right now Google has decided that the 64bit version is Linux only and too be honest I'm not sure even that version still exist.

So I moved to Firefox. They hide their 64 bit versions under their nightly builds. To get around this there is a brand of Mozilla called Waterfox that is 64bit by default. The difference using this browser is night and day over Chrome with the GX60. My flash based browser game worked flawlessly, and the system lowered its CPU use by more then 15%. Using the same sites in Chrome I was seeing 78-92% CPU usage. With Waterfox that dropped to 55-73%.

I also found that the bluetooth app was eating up 1.6gb of memory. I haven't quite nailed down why yet.

The issue I was having with it crashing if i moved boxes between screens has stopped as well. I shouldn't have to do all this tweaking but as a geek I'm enjoying it. Honestly for that price it should have worked perfectly out of the box.

 

Anyone know where we can pick up just the new cpu so we can upgrade our existing GX60s? I haven't had any luck find these.

 

You'll have to keep an eye out on places like ebay since they are not sold retail.

 

Yeah, ebay will be the place to go for individual parts in this case. You can ask users where they go theirs. Usually you will find cheap ES/QS versions of CPUs, although early versions tend to have particular bugs.

Will AMD's platform support next gen apus as well with the same socket? It would be nice of them to release a higher powered APU.

 

Welcome to the forums
You should go with the mobility drivers as that is what you got. The diiference lies in hardware support. The first package supports only desktop AMD components (gpu, chipset etc). The second one is for notebook/netbook users as it supports only that hardware.
To unlock your cpu you need PSCheck and Windows 7. That software locks the cpu in an overclocked power state. It forces it to run at turbo clocks. I don't have an AMD system so I can't help you further than this

 

I get really annoyed by bad reviews such as this.
2x even 3x the performance of an I7! Really...

That review shows BF3 at 1080p ultra as 22 fps.
Toms hardware OTOH show the same game with the same settings (Ultra [DX11} @ 1080p) and 53fps.

There's your 2x to 3x deficit right there.
What's wrong with these reviewers? My guess is they hadn't activated the 7970 and then blame it on the cpu because it's seemingly trendy to bash AMD's current line-up.
I have ordered the GX60 Hitman Ed which is arriving tomorrow. Hence I've done a lot of research and come across this cpu FUD far too often.

So no the benchmarks are NOT quite as clear as you imply.
Surely no difference between 720p and 1080p with that gpu doesn't ring alarm bells for you?

 

Hi, I am new and was wondering about a few things

Are all GX60 3AE versions super raid msata ready? and how many msata ports?
Also where can we get a hdd caddy for the optical drive to put in another hdd.

 

What have the other GX60 owners found is the best way to make sure the 7970 is off when its running off of battery? I have my graphics options set to use only the onboard graphics when its unplugged but the power light is still orange. Which implies the 7970 is still running correct?

 

I believe the US SKU will not have super raid enabled, so maybe you will need to get the msata card first, and then use super raid? I hope Ken can confirm

 

I am pretty sure you can buy the caddy from Gentech, most likely all resellers handle it?

 

TECS
So the adapter can be found there. Yes it does say that its for the GT model, however on the same site they have a gx60 conversion kit with the msata hard drives attached... the model number used there is the same as the one in the link that states its for the GT models.

I know the site ONLY ships to Australia... lucky me I might have a connection that could buy and ship it to me.

So I guess my main question now is, the second hard drive bay.... is it sata3 or sata2 capable....

then how to go about actually enabling the superraid configuration.

 

or ill just wait till its fully released in the us >,>

 

Yeah better wait a bit

 

Bingo! Found an engineering sample. Not sure about the 'stability' of an engineering sample though.. Thoughts?

 

Depends on how far their revision goes. Engineering samples also reach a point by revisions in which most major bugs are gone. Depending on which one you get, it can have a particular bug in particular circumstances, or perhaps a setting off of specification.

Any usres here with ES version can probably help you out more. I read there were some bugs with ES versions.

 

No, not all versions get superRAID. Unfortunately It's a very regional feature, like bluray. But I suppose you only need the SuperRAID adaptor. I looked for it several week, and I didn't found it, so I buy a Samsung 840 Pro SSD and I'm very happy with it.

If you are in the US, here you can compare all 3 GX editions.

So, Again, WD Black 750 GB HDD only...

Cheers

 

I bought my Hitman Edition from TECS so I can vouch for the shop.

However I would stay away from the super-raid option as the write speeds are miserable.
I would also stay away from the Samsung 840 for the same reason. I bought a 256GB 840 for my 3770K desktop and it doesn't hold a candle to my OCZ Vertex 3.
For SSD's write speeds are equally important as read speeds, so I would be looking to the established players such as OCZ, Crucial, Corsair etc. intel SSD's are overpriced.

So I would keep the 750GB hard drive for storage and add a good 128/256GB SSD as the boot drive.

Anyone here running a Richland APU having high temps and what are you using for monitoring the temps?
I downloaded "Coretemp" and am seeing temps in excess of 110°C. This can't be accurate as the APU would be melting at those temps.
I'm wondering if this is a function of the new sensors in Richland or Coretemp isn't reading correctly. I feel it's the new sensors and their positioning but some confirmation that I'm not alone would be nice.
My old Llano 3510MX never went above 60°C.

 

I would recommend you to try other programs for measuring the temperature. 110*C is far too high, at that temperature the laptop would throttle down very heavy or even shut down. Try out HW Monitor and speedfan. What temperature does the bios measure?
I´d buy samsung or crucial SSDs, they are both worth their money!

 

Hi all,

I am thinking about getting the GX60 laptop - MSI GX60-082AU 15.6inch AMD A10 5750 Gaming Notebook [GX60-082AU] - $1,199.00 - Scorptec Computers
Does it have the msata slots as standard? backlit keys?

Or is it worth waiting for the GX70? does anyone know if its going to have backlit keys??

 

I asked Scorptec about the mSATA option and they said yes.
The strange bit is they seem to be the only retailer in Australia that has the option.
Here is an excerpt of the email they sent me.

I too was after backlit keys for my tired old eyes, unfortunately it's not an option in either the standard or Hitman Editions for the AU market.
If you get the GX60 make sure it's the Hitman Edition as it's the one with the updated apu.

I went with the GX60 instead of waiting for the GX70 as I wanted the smaller screen.

 

Thanks.
I installed HW Monitor and it shows several temps that could be attributed to the apu. One of them was showing over 110° but I think that's one of the new probes that's deep inside the core for the updated turbo scheme.
The other temp fields were showing in the 40°C range which is what I thought as the air being blown out by the fan wasn't extraordinary.
Initially seeing 100+ on Coretemp had me a little worried though.

 

start prime while letting hw monitor check the temperatures. Look which temperature rises the fastest, that should be the CPU/APU. Dont stress the GPU, else you could mix up the temperatures

 

That's odd indeed...Australian GX60 3AE doesn't come with super raid....and the specs on scorptec says 750gb....
maybe they offer super raid SKU at a price?
I got mine from TECS last month and have added a SSD to it since...the second hdd bay was empty...

Edit: just noticed you have already bought 1 from TECS..

 

the only program that shows the correct temp for me is AIDA64 (successor of Everest), any others were showing CPU at 90*C idle

 

HWifo64 is displaying the correct temperature as well...

 

Thanks Mercury,

Its confusing to know what ones have the msata slots?
MSY also sells the GX60 AMD A10 5750m model...

I'm just wondering if the GX70 has a newer chipset than the gx60 because it can support 32gb memory?! And also the 8970m has a few new features over the 7970m

 

Super raid = mSATA
Non super raid = 2.5" only

There is a chipset difference on the GX70 yes, so it may just be for extra memory slots.

 

I use coretemp RC5, no issues. RC4 only detected one core, but it had accurate reads. I use PC meter and W8 gadgets on a second monitor to watch temps. Even after about 2 hours of skyrim the APU was at 68C, and the 7970M was at 71C. That is with a generic dual 140mm cooling pad. A huge improvement over my old HP G6T (i3-380/6470), which would overheat and shut down after about 20 mins of skyrim, on lower graphics settings.