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Not before friday, but I only cut a rectangular shapped hole on the GPU/CPU zone.

 

ok thanks, was thinking of cutting it a big rectangle from the cpu to gpu side then sticking an anti dust mesh on it

 

OK thanks, was thinking of cutting a big rectangle from the cpu to gpu side then sticking an anti dust mesh on it

 

A new firmware update is out. The txt says "improved the keyboard scan buffer usage" what does this mean?

 

I see that no matter which recent racing title I play, the CPU is at 90-98*C in games no matter the undervolt and it's not TIM problem. Only fix is to cap the TDP to 35-38W.
I'm starting to think 9750H is inadequate for RTX2080 and is getting heat up a lot by the 2080.

When only stressing the CPU @ 35-38W I rarely approach 80*C in XTU's stress test while with games it's already good 10*C hotter due to the GPU. Even 50W is manageable unless the GPU kicks in. The XTU bench hits 90 until the fan spins up and then hovers around 82-84*C at 50W.



Same test, you can spot the moment where I start Unigine Heaven, the CPU creeps up to 96*C:

 

You will have a much better result if you apply a good voltage curve in MSI after burner

 

I'm using the OC-scanner curve:

 

Thats an overclock I meant an undervolt

 

You mean even lower than this? It's TDP capped all the time anyways. With GPU at 100% the CPU temp is 80*c+ while doing pretty much nothing, just Unigine Heaven.


I have to drop the GPU core to 825mV to stop TDP GPU throttling from kicking in:

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That said, in GRID the CPU temps are still in mid 90*C on certain cores with -140mV and 45W cap. When I cap it to 35W the temps drop to 80-83*C but the clock starts bouncing between 2800 and 4000.
The GPU temps are perfect, 1680MHz @ 800mV and 66-69*C.

 

The rational behind it is less gpu temps = less cpu temps as they share the heat pipes but I guess your best options right now is (From easiest to hardest):
1-rise the back of the laptop
2-get a cooling pad (cooler master u3 if you go for no.3)
3-modd strong fans on the U3
4-Repaste (Can be multiple times to get it right)

 

What about the new BIOS that changed the VBIOS? Did anyone try it? I would love a new VBIOS with improved TDP (something like 180w or 200w) but I would hate to see an even lower TDP.

I asked Svet on MSI forums for a custom VBIOS for it and he said it's not possible ate the time.

 

It's been repasted with Mastergel Maker already and the VRM / MEM re-gooped with K5 pro.

So far it looks like 40W CPU TDP limit + 1680MHz 0.8V gives the best results. In GRID the GPU is at 65-67*c and the CPU peaks at around 82-83*C. If I remove the UV on the GPU you slowly see the CPU temp creeping back to 90-92*C and GPU to 73-74*C indeed.

In the end I get the feeling that when both GPU and CPU are loaded, each +1*C on the GPU results in +1*C on the CPU.

I do run the latest (V)BIOS and nothing changed, still 150W cap.

 

It is impossible at the moment with out a chip coder.

 

You can use a modded varsion of nvflash with board id mismatch disabled to flash 180w/200w vbioses from say, the GT76 if you wanted to.

You don't need a spi chip flasher. That's for modded vbioses and the thing is, Turing vbios modding isn't even working.

 

I have to say i can't get this thing to downclock for a second when it's on AC. No matter if I have XTU on/off or throttlestop. It's always around 4GHz unless I choke it with a low TDP limit.

 

Did you try limiting the maximum clock multiplier in the fivr tab in throttlestop?

 

I use XTU but that maximum multi did work in TS. However the CPU never goes idle.

 

Cpu wont idle at 800mhz (if thats what you mean) in high performance power plan you need to choose balanced.

 

I mean that it's always hovering around 4.0-4.3, no matter what. I've reinstalled the drivers but still only have one power plan available - Balanced, I tried setting max CPU state for the plan at ~95% but it still stays at 4GHz. This only happens on AC power.

 

just use TS and lower the turbo ratio limits to like 36

 

That's not really the issue, as it will just stay at 3.6 all the time. It's like it's missing the C-states or something.

 

Oh I remember something, I read somewhere like a month ago that one bios update removed the C-states from the GE75 I think that where you will be able to find the fix go into the bios (shift+alt+right ctrl + f2) to unlock the settings and go for cpu settings and find the C-states

 

Just checked, all are ON.

 

Hello guys,

Please can somebody help me ? Does anybody have a save of E17E2IMS.112 and can please share it here ?

Tonight I decided to update my firmware to the latest one : E17E2IMS.117 (update Vbios : can this be my issue ?)
EC firmware to : 17E2EMS1.109
and install cumulative update for win10 1903 (KB4522355).

This combo seems to not be appreciated by my GE75 9SF : I couldn't even play Dota underlords without freezing.

Can anybody tell me first if : you encountered some issue after updated to the latest firmware ? or install the latest Win udpates ?

I'd like to revert back to the previous version of the firmware.


Thanks a lot !

 

Well I got same issue, some games I will have micro-shutter after using the EC Firmware, not sure why but yes, it made my game experience worst and I can´t find the issue, because CPU and GPU are behaving as before.

If u know any update, plz say! I did contact MSI and waiting for the replay!

 

Ok I'm not at least feeling alone. Thanks god, I thought it was windows.

By reading the logs of EC firmwares history I can see that 17E2EMS1.108 : "adjust power limit parameter for Intel 9th gen CPU i9."

To recap, can somebody please share :
Bios firmware : E17E2IMS.112
And EC firmware : New EC Firmware: 17E2EMS1.107 ou New EC Firmware: 17E2EMS1.108 ?


Thanks a lot guys !

 

Well I think something is borked, probably the BIOS. Even after a full reinstall and a completely empty system my CPU won't downclock much and I only have the Balanced power plan available.

I go to HWinfo64 and see cores already peaking at 99*C when installing windows updates...stock VID is insane, like 1.31V @ 4.2GHz. No wonder it throttles at almost 100c running cinebench R15 and at ANY load above 15-20%. Just look how it runs with just xmp enabled and no other tweaks like UV, all stock:


If this persists I will dump this laptop and buy something else, maybe with a desktop CPU where I at least know it will be at 100c all the time...

 

Ok buddies, I've found a way to switch back to older versions of bios and EC :

Bios : http://download.msi.com/bos_exe/nb/E17E2IMS.10E.zip => change to the version of bios you want
EC firmware : http://download.msi.com/archive/frm_exe/nb/17E2EMS1.107.zip

I've just reverted back to .107 for EC. I'm gonna try the bios now

 

I have also the latest bios.but dont know my issue is at some games my rtx 2080 usage is about 70% and 100frames.if I lower the grafiks for get 144 frames,it stay 100 frames with low settings but 50% usage.i have latest drivers - best performance.nvidia control panel-prefer maximum perfomance.dont know what I will check

 

The CPU is too weak (clock) I think, I see similar behaviour.

I think I wil buy the 9900k GT76 to compare and if it's not better- return it.

 

Hmm I dont believe that. Something else it's the problem.i cant pass 100 frames at bf5 even with all settings low and scale resolution 25%..
all ultra ,rtx on ,on ultra too ,70 frames. Rtx low 70frames again with lower gpu usage.i afraid it's the bios.i have upgrade it 2 times.i thing I must downgrade it at stock. And where we find stock bios for ge75 8sg? That's the hard

 

Can someone check if the VRM is getting cooled on the GE75?
Jesus I want the A51m so much but the burning 2080 issue is so scary. They are -15% today though and are much less noisy than GE75, according to reviews.

@greninga,
What are your clocks in games? Do you have MSI Afterburner and RTSS running to see it real time?

 

At that games I have cpu 3,7 3,8 stable and gpu around 1900mhz. Just I see my gpu usage go high (90%+)at ultra settings or scale resolution 120-150.if scale is 100 and medium or ultra settings the gpu usage go lower about 70% and the frames stay same as 150 scale resolution.

How I can check vrm temps? Hwinfo dont show my vrms.

 

If u still wanna, I have it backup (in rar and everything)

I can send u or upload to download if u wanna

 

I've done another repaste, now with Kryonaut and it looks like that crazy 20*c delta is gone, however HWInfo64 is 'strange' in terms of temperature reporting, it shows 3 cores sometimes peaking to 95*c for a brief second, Throttlestop doesn't show this.

I was stupid the first time and didn't follow the numbers on which screw to turn first. When I now removed the heatsink I noticed the TIM was pushed to one side on both the CPU and GPU.

However I think the GE75 is prone to 95*C+ temp peaks because the CPU has a 200W short PL by default...setting a hard cap at 40-50W removes the spikes.

How's this? With cpu and gpu UV:

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CPU UV but GPU at full OC, w. +750MHz on the memory:

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And my new record in Cinebench R15, 1314pts:

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I have a Clevo 775TM1-G on order but I think I will cancel it and keep the MSI when I see this...somehow I doubt it will match this MSI.
If I could squeeze another 20-30W TDP...that thing would fly.

 

Thank you mate but I’ve managed to find them all from msi website

Updating to the new bios and ec firmware has got my laptop to get lower undervolts.

Even if I downgrade back to my old bios and ec firmware, I can’t reach my previous values as if the bios has memorized/saved into memory some new power limits...

Latest bios from November mentions « adjust vbios » in the log. After restarting, I got right away freezes forcing me to lower my undervolts. Has anybody else upgrade to the latest bios and EC firmware ?

Let’s find a solution. Thanks a lot

 

I thing ur temps it's good for not underclock.even the clevo temps it's bad hit with uv 95c.

 

I had the same Clevo on order but seeing what the GE75 does after a good repaste, I cancelled the Clevo straight away. Seriously, I now tried MasterGel Maker on the GPU now while playing GRID 2019 I dropped to 65-66*C GPU temp at 1680MHz with the fan maybe at 50%, at max. CPU is around 70-84*C @ 4GHz -145mV!
This laptop is pure gaming bliss - light, mobile, packs a lot of punch and, believe it or not, it's quiet after a repaste. When web browsing or watching YT the fans simply turn off!
So far only 3 complaints - too plasticky, touchpad is already worn after 3 weeks of usage(!) and my battery is at 7% wear according to Aida64, not really possible after 3 weeks and ~5-6 full power cycles.

The thing you have to watch out for is that pad thickness, I doubt 0.5mm is going to cut it on the GPU VRM, to me it looks like there is much more space. That's why I use K5 Pro even if it makes such a mess on the board (it's like a very sticky Play Doh) but at least its non conductive.

I found out that what you shouldn't ever do is use Aida64 stress test. It does something with AVX and it WILL always throttle 3 cores, the 0/3/6. If you use HWInfo64 for monitoring you will end up with everything in RED when looking at peak values making you think the laptop is throttling to oblivion while gaming temps will be perfect.
MSI has extremely high power limit on the CPU (200W for 28s) so it will always shoot to like 70-80W first, throttle until the turbo runs out and the temperatures will then stabilize, however the visual damage has already been done by then, with everything shown in red in HWInfo.


I got my 32GB 3000 CL16 Ripjaws kit today/ The 3000C16 kit was €146 while the 3200C16 was €220...hell naw. They're all the same, Hynix C-Die stuff.
Might be obvious for some but the 16GB kit runs 1T, the 32GB runs 2T as it's dual rank.
Still, Area 51M can eat dirt in this regard

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In the end I find it pretty insane that a 9750H laptop, without any UV applied. Runs at almost 100*C all core all the time when loaded, every single core at 90*C+.
That said, this is at stock fan curve and no gpu load. You have to watch out on how people do their testing, with Cooler Boost I can push 54W and only hit 85*C peak temp but at stock fan curves it would be 95-97*C already.

 

Yea after repaste it's so quiet this is real.i am not expert and cant understand good this but limit tdp it's not 90w? We need up the limit or lower?the only STOCK laptop that I see at reviews with low temps its the helios 500.but only gtx 1070 there.
Damn guys what build windows u use? I was on 1903 and I format it to 1809 and got huge boost on all games.and never one freeze or something bad.check video.i got this boost to all games.

Build 1903


Build 1809


With no rtx on before was max 160 170 frames and now 200 210.

 

GE75 has 150W TDP on the RTX2080, and CPU whatever the cooling can take.

 

And there why say 45 and 90 short? The only red when I do a test its PL1 and the cpu w drop from 56w to 42w and clock from 3,9mhz drop to 3,6mhz what power limit it's this and what mean? I can remove it?

 

The CPU has a power limit @ 45W for long period of time.

The only way to bypass this limitation is with bios tweaking : http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...scussions-lounge.825828/page-30#post-10860699

 

Oh damn I afraid do that.i thought was a simple change numbers for 45 to 60.

 

No, sadly you can't because you don't have an "HK" CPU

 

EDIT : Nothing

 

Running stock paste on my 9750h with 110 undervolt, CPU temps seem fine. But GPU temperature on some games reaches up to 80 C. Just had an APEX Legends session with GPU reaching 82 and CPU being 79 C, not much behind.
I'm worry that running those temperatures will affect the laptop in a negative way in the long term. Should I do something other than repaste, here it will surely nullify warranty, or should I even worry at all?

 

Strange u get high temps at gpu.i have max 70 at.gpu and never seen a ge75 raider with high gpu temps.what ur clocks of gpu when play?

 

Random question... I travel a lot for work and realized during flight this week that most planes cut off the power when they detect the draw from our power bricks. I assume this is because its trying to charge the battery and power the laptop at the same time. Is there anyway to limit the power intake to stop charging and just stay on?

 

At dragon center u can set how much u want charger ur battery mine is all time set to 50% never more.so I have the brick and not charging the battery just stay there to 50% if u mean this

 

I think clocks of gpu were around 1894 or something similar. Will be able to check the exact number most likely tomorrow.