*** The Official MSI GE75 Raider Owners and Discussions Lounge ***

Yeha but they all go to beep after some time because LM gets absorbed into copper.

 

Yeah thats a given. Takes about a year but temps will steadily climb up

 

Yep, and if you're unlucky and make it soak onto the mainboard - it's game over for your €3000 laptop.
That's why I try to stay away from LM what I however to hate to see is 90*C on the CPU all the time.
I'm already looking for a replacement because it bugs me and I use virtualization frequently so 2 more cores would be good.

 

Not unlucky, incompetent. It's pretty hard to do wrong.

 

In the end it's always the user's fault indeed. Newbies might fall for it by simply putting a glob of LM in the middle on the die and expect it flows like normal TIM...

I'm in a 'first world problem' situation atm with that GE because of the temps and noise, and I'd like 2 more cores.
- Alienware 51M is a ticking time bomb,
- Clevo has low build quality and would run hot like hellfire with 9900K, battery life is abysmal
- MSI GT76 won't fit in any backpack and is crazy loud
- ASUS G703GXR looks tempting w. 9980HK and 200W 2080, good battery life w. switch for Optimus or G-Sync but Jesus Christ Almighty €4500.

The biggest problem is that no one will buy a second hand laptop that's 2k or more and it's not a MacBook.

 

Theres the GS75 with i9 and also the gigabyte aero 15 with i9.

 

These don't have the cooling capacity and (at least the GS) seem to flex a lot. I take my latpop to work every day where it stays put for 8 hours but it's getting lugged around a lot in my backpack.
GE is already very borderline for the 9750H + 2080 combined.

Someone said here that Cache voltage slider in fact undervolts the core in TS? Well that's not true.
Using the core voltage slider certainly does affect the CPU albeit only to a certain margin.

 

I have totally different values with the 9750h.

Without TDP Mod, I got ~70 Watts under full load. But with TDP mod, TS and Hwinfo are reporting ~3 Watts under load.

In my case, temp are fine with the bios mod. No LM here.

 

Well I get 90W and it shoots up to 95*C in p95 until 55W kicks in.

 

Can you provide more details? What paste, what undervolt etc

 

I see many of u have some problems with temps.i see many of u touch the laptop and change thinks all the times, and cant find the right path and have problems too. I will say something from 1 year experience with this laptop.

Dont touch anything! My cpu never go more than 80c and gpu never more than 70c.i have do some thinks on the laptop and the perfomance it's close same with a desktop rtx 2080.i have close 180- 200 frames at modern warfare ultra 1080p and 4k solid 60 frames.....when I bought the laptop I changed all times settings drivers was looking for overclock for tdp for for for...no... all that make my laptop runs bad. U need to do only some thinks and then nothing more.never touch it again.just enjoy the gaming.

First: clean install windows
Second: carefully set up all the drivers.
Third: cooler pad or just space under laptop.
Fourth: just undervolt around -150mv. And if want underclock to 3,8 3,7 mhz.

Five:if u want repaste it very carefully.and do it right

Six: u can modified the bottom cover like mine. It's big boost with cooler pad.

Seven make advance fans.. auto it's not for gaming.

After of all that dont touch anything else and dont play with bios tdp drivers or other thinks.
I did all that I wrote and my laptop it's so powerfull and cool. I play with 76 78c cpu and 67 69c gpu with 2000mhz core auto clock cause low temps.
Do that and never touch anything else and u will thnks me.

 

I7 9750h - bios tdp mod - -250mv undervolt on cpu ( I should try more) - kryonaut - no other undervolt

Depending my need, I set the frequency. Most of the time, I use 6*3.7. Temp between 70-80°C

When I need more power, I set the frequency to 6*4ghz. Temp between 80-90°C.

If I put a 100% load on both gpu and cpu at the same time, I will probably have some throttle. But I don't need to do this.

In rdr2 for example, all the temps are under 80°C with oc gpu and 3.7ghz on cpu

 

I have no Idea what you're playing but "don't touch anything" means every core at 95*C in Grid 2019 with the 9750H and RTX2080. Grid is a very CPU bound title and almost certain AVX.

 

I really need to see how demanding grid is myself @.@

Hard to believe its so punishing.

 

Try it, one of the few games that really make a computer squeal. Battliefield V is another example, also heavy AVX stuff.
Tomorrow I'm getting a 9980HK / 2080 200W G703GXR from ASUS. Time to compare these two and see if the GXR is 'luggable'.

 

This is my temps when gaming.step by step with right thinks ,I am finish here..I thing cant go better...just like i said i stopped touch anything all the time cause i have bad experience with this. Just 5 6 carefully steps.

 

Mine hitted 95cand more stock.when I say dont touch anything I mean do a CLEAN START and do some simple right steps and let it there.the general problem of all that laptops (all the brands) it's the air flow. The main problem of all that laptop it's the bottom cover. Cant the laptop breath with these cover.all the brands.just the msi gt 76 have nice bottom cover but this hit 95 c I thing cause of 5000 mhz cpu. At last pay someone to modified one cover like gt76.believe me will be the best money u have pay for something.i cant understand why msi dont have this from factory and have it only the gt 76.
Do a test if u want.try use ur laptop very carefully for a test with no bottom cover on the cooler pad.place it very carefully.and u will see what temps u will have with modified cover.

 

And u can clean easy with no open it like u need with stock. Sorry my english it's very bad.if I can do that,think how a professional can do this with right tools.will be like msi placed it.this is the main problem for all the laptops in ours day.

 

You'll probably see a big difference in performance/thermals. I had an MSI GT75VR and it's a totally different story compare to GE75.

If you only need a lightweight laptop, GE75 isn't a good idea and the same goes if you only need power. I find the GE75 being a sweet spot between the two. I was tired to carry a bulky device and I work and travel a lot with my laptop.

The biggest problem problem IMO is one/two year later when a slim design do best with half the weight.

 

If you only need a lightweight laptop, GE75 isn't a good idea and the same goes if you only need power. I find the GE75 being a sweet spot between the two. I was tired to carry a bulky device and I work and travel a lot with my laptop.


There is no doubt about this, GE75 has by far the best performance to weight ratio I'd say, it's the lightest non-MaxQ 2080 laptop. Especially when you remove the useless HDD and use 2x M.2 SSD's.

The GXR should have preapplied LM on the CPU on a nickel plated heatsink, which is nice. Folks have been running 8950HK's OC'ed to 4.6GHz below Tjmax and 'only' on Kryonaut so I wonder what 9980HK is going to do.
The only thing I'm concerned about is the weight and size.

 

hello, i do bottom cover like u. pic in the below.

in rdr2 i have 73C on GPU(2070) with 1800-1785mhz and 0.893-0.900v, memory stock, on CPU - 68-70C with using 3.4-3.7ghz on rdr2(with stock 4ghz on 6 cores without downclock in TS) UV - -0.250 and cache -0.117. sreenshot below.


this is my first version... ugly


LM on GPU and CPU. AND now in the TS Bench with 1024mb setting i have max 77C with cooler pad in low RPM mode


Coolerpad what im use

 

Wanted to ask something, What are your SSD temps mine are 71 on the samsung and 68 on the corsair mp510.

I am starting to think that the two 120mm fans on the U3 are back firing instead of helping.

 

Under heavy load? Throttling the 970PRO.
However!!! Reusing the incredibely thick stock M.2 thermal pads between the SSD and the mother prevents this. It still runs warm but not 100*C.

 

phew....too high.
This things been running for about 6 hours now, not doing anything real heavy but it's been under constant use for that time.

 

That's pretty normal to be honest.

The twin Pm981s in my GS75 run at 41°C at idle. When downloading torrents they run at 50-53°C. They come with really thick thermal pads that press against the underside of the keyboard.

The main thing that heats up the drives is heat from the cpu and gpu when the system is under load. When gaming my drives hit 60-70s.

 

Current are (Idle temps as I was having lunch) and the rest are the usual.

@seanwee wanted to update you on the ram I have been running on +100mv on uncore for the past 2 weeks and its doing fine.

 

Nice temps! If something could change at laptop that is the cpu.at some games really cpu cant follow the rtx 2070 or 2080 and gpu drop the usage to 70% this is bottleneck.
I would have a better cpu inside...

 

I'm not sure what it is because the CPU is not pushed to 100% to call it a bottleneck. 4000MHz x6 cores shouldn't have a problem with a 2080.
I will have an ASUS G703GXR tomorrow, 9980HK and 2080 200W. I will make a comparison in the same games, how different the CPU and GPU usage is.

 

Its a combination of bad laptop optimization + optimus + the weaker CPU which makes it look much worse than the same spec'd desktop.

 

But Optimus has nothing to do with the GPU usage, does it? All it's supposed to do is to switch between built in and discrete graphics. It does not balance load between GPU's, just ON/OFF.
The biggest weakness is apparently the cooling and TDP limits but still a 30% bottleneck shouldn't happen. I have tried 1080Ti with i3 8100 and never seen anything like this.

 

Dont look with msi afterburner the cpu usage. Before sometime I played anthem. Msi afterburn shows all cores 50 60% but if I open task manager,cpu its stucks 100%

 

Martin u need to find a game that is heavy cpu for u see if there an issue like bf or anthem. That games it's not heavy cpu the gpu go front and usage its 99% and rocks.


I have at anthem max settings 1080p around 70 80 frames with 70 % gpu.i did a test. I tried the settings ultra low. And...again 70 80 frames with 40% gpu usage.that mean cpu cant give more frames to this game.i am sure I will have max settings 1440p again 70 80 frames but with 99% gpu usage
Try one heavy cpu game that dont have good gpu usage and open the task manager.i am sure u will see cpu its stuck at 100% and MSI afterburn will show 50%.

 

Yes it does, you lose a percentage of performance because of the extra link (Intel GPU) + a lot of problems like crashes and stuttering are related to Optimus(Like Dota and Apex will crash if I alt+tab before it loads fully after launch, specially if they are Exclusive fullscreen) lets say its similar to the TB3 external GPU thingy but with more performance percentage.

Regarding the CPU its a combination of people thinking that the clocks that are shown means the CPU is pushing them at 100% while power and temps are limiting it, thats why performance is slower than what it shows.

 

I'm not sure the CPU is the bottleneck.

If you want to see if your cpu is the limit, you could try this :
- Run the game with 6x4ghz
Alt+Tab
- Run the game with 6x3.5ghz
See if there is a difference in frame/seconds

I don't think that GPU load is that simple. There are a lot of parameter in a gpu like occupancy and lantency that are not shown.
Don't forget, the Gpu is an "array of cpu". If I run a single really complex computation on one thread, You can't go faster but Gpu load will not be 100%. So it's a bad optimization.
I was a Cuda developper a few years ago but don't hesitate to correct me if I'm wrong (and sorry for my english)

 

Yeah you are correct but regarding the CPU I have learned something over the years (Not scientific data just what I observed) That high framerate gaming is very different from 60frames gaming regarding how its treated by the CPU.

If you play at 2560x1440 you will get the same performance as 1920x1080 (With 9750 , 2070) you can Try that with super sampling and that is the number one reason for me to say CPUs in laptops are very different from desktop (Behavior only) as its a very fine mixture of power, temps and manufacturer settings.

On that point do you know that me and my brothers laptop (Y540, 9750h, 1660ti) optimized and overclocked similarly to mine does preform within "margin of error" like mine.

 

U are right.something stranger at high frames but I thing its CPU bottleneck.OR CPU dont work good? cause it's not to all games.i play modern warfare ultra 170 200 frames.my GPU works nice there.but I play anthem or bf5 and I stuck to 80 90 frames. Ultra 1440p 80 frames. Very low 1080p again 80 frames.dont know but i really would fix this.but I afraid its bottleneck.

If that laptops had 1440p or 4k screen will was the best combo.cpu and GPU work so great at my 4k TV.
I think that rtx 2070 or 2080 with that CPU cant give the max power at 1080p except to some GPU games...but at 1440p or 4k it gives

 

Correct, I observe this too. 60 fps was "easier" regarding bottleneck

 

Hmm, I got my G703GXR from ASUS...build quality is much better than MSI but it's a LOT heavier and the chinese had a bad day building mine - one nvme screw was already stripped flat from the factory (wtf) and some piece of plastic was flying around on the inside. No idea where it was and where it landed, I will have to open it up and check as even if I wanted to return it, it would be difficult to prove it wasn't me...
ASUS has a pretty stupid storage setup, raid0 512GB Samsung NVMe + 2x Intel 760p 512GB NVMe. Why oh why? Ok, it does 8GB/s in sustained reads but feels so janky to do it like this.

 

So, is the build quality really better ?

Btw, bezels are really big !

 

Yes, overall it's much sturdier...it needs those bezels because it's massive, LOL.
The screen has zero BLB.

 

Finally I removed power limit with that trick at bios.now stuck 3,9ghz and never drops.

Edit: hmm let me check something and I come back

 

Well...maybe I found the issue of the low gpu usage..I did the trick at bios and removed the power limit.so cpu sticks all the time 3,9ghz..but... I opened the game anthem and I got suprise guys...the frames was lower and the gpu usage was lower..so I thinking when we play a game that need big cpu usage the laptop cant give to gpu to eat watt? We need bigger brick? What u have to say? I opened anthem and suprise me there I had 70% usage and 90 frames now I have 55 60 gpu usage and 70 frames.ofc I turned the bios to default and all good.

 

280W is sufficient. I measured 230W from the wall with undervolt and in RealBench.

 

So what the hell is this issue with too many games use low gpu usage and low frames. if it's not bottleneck? Any hide settings on windows. Task manager at bf5 is around 80% cpu usage. But there only 70%gpu usage.task manager at modern warfare is 70 80% too but there 95% gpu usage and very high frames. Task manager at apex legends say only 15 cpu usage but at some places gpu usage drop to 70% and frames go down from 144 to 110. Really I wanna pay someone fix this. Windows issue? Drivers issue ( I have try many) really dont know

 

That is very strange indeed. I run apex at a consistent 144fps on my GS75 whether I let the cpu run at 4ghz or 3.5ghz.

 

Yea I know even 3,0ghz I thing can stable it.but sometimes or when u drop from plane there u can see all the map,gpu dont push and the frames drop.

 

I get 120-ish when dropping. 99% gpu usage.

 

There is a huge chance that MSI locked the 9sf usage at 230w and made the 280w originally for the 2080 model.

 

So I have issue.i got 90 100 frames (8sg)when dropping with 70 max 80 usage.what drivers u have? And what windows build?

 

Wait, you can UV at -250mV WITH bios mod?
Before BIOS mod I was at -140mV, after, -60mV.