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Can you please share all settings of throttlestop? On PM or here.

 

I have nothing special at throttlestop.
Just undervolt and speedshift. I use different settings than u ,cause I have tweaks bios.
I have repaste it with grizzly and I have made a custom bottom cover with grills like ge65.
After repaste every day go better. Really a small pea method worked very well that time.
At games now never see 80c (3,9ghz) at cpu and not more than 67 68 at gpu.

At prime95 I have 85c max (cooler boost) at 3,9ghz and 75watt stable draw.

 

Little update. First i would like to thank you all for help and tips and tricks.

Today i repasted my raider. I used grizzly on all components. How much grizzly paste you guys are using during repaste, i am afraid i use a little to much today. 3/4 of 5,5 g tube.
What a mess was inside....spend 1 hour cleaning all old paste... And i never seen some much plastic clips flying around when i opened it, and it was really carefull.

Difference is ok. Lets just say that i am now geting a little higher temperatures at full 3,9 GHz @6 cores while gaming, then before on 3,3 GHz. Temperature difference around 7-10 °C.
And right before repasting i play with overclocking RAMs a little, now i am at 2993 MHz cl18, before 2666 MHz cl19, same voltage. Need to find somewhere what is safe voltage on my sort of RAMs.
Any RAM overclocking advice? Settings?

In the following days i need to invest some time into RTX 2080 undervolting. Any tips?

And my CPU wattage is still not OK....i unlocked and locked turbo boost via FIVR at Throttlestop. I set long turbo lower to 60 W, but it still only using 45, for short turbo it is drawing around 50 W.

Things that annoys me still:
-70°C on CPU and fans are loud (i use auto profile)....
-Only 3 usb forts.... with cooling pad under laptop, usb mouse and usb headset i have none left. Need to check if i can supply cooling pad by microUSB type-C port...

 

When u mean temp difference u mean form before?
Also only way around the 45w TDP is to do an imon slope i believe look it up in the guides. also dial in ur UV it plays a big part in temps and how much u can squeeze out of it.

 

Oof, that's pricey and will be a nightmare to clean up.

 

You can try the IMON Slope Tweak from post #295

But CAREFUL!!!

Before you change that, revert every underclock in Throttlestop to DEFAULT first.
After that I was able to lower CPU Voltage by only 40mV.

Keep the Loadline Values at 130, as seanwee pointed out in post #2708 on page 271.

For RAM OC read the following pages, we had a discussion about that just the other day.

 

Loadline will affect the undervolt, not the IMON slope tweak. So revert your undervolt first, then tweak the loadline.

 

Loadline effect undervolt like seanwee said.
This effect its override ur cpu voltage. When is adaptive or auto. For this as stock can undervolt too much. Cause the override its higher, some ppls use manual voltage and override hasn't effect. U need to find ur best loadline for u.i am using 5 loadline and still can hit high numbers of undervolt at throttlestop even at 1 loadline. ( maybe lucky silicon lottery)

 

Undervolting is easier than the guides and videos suggest, but I first had to figure out how Afterburner works.

Mine is a RTX2070, don't know how the Voltage translates to your 2080.

You just fire up Afterburner and apply a 90-100 MHz OVERCLOCK and hit "Apply".

Then you press CTRL + F to bring up the voltage curve.

You should see that the overclocked curve differs from the default curve.

Then you mark the maximum frequency you want the graphics card to run at. Mine is 1650 MHz @825 mV for lower temperatures. Just leftclick on the corresponding grey dot so it turns white.

If you want higher clockspeeds you can try 1750 or 1800MHz maybe.

Then you mark this white dot and the complete right side of the graph with SHIFT + Left Mouse.
See the attached picture below.

When everything is marked you can press SHIFT + 2x ENTER to level the curve to the same frequency. It will level everything to the same value as the one that is marked white.

You can double click anywhere in the graph to get rid of the blue marker, if you made a mistake.

Then you exit the voltage curve graph and hit "Apply".

That's how i did it anyway, but maybe there is a better way. Works for me.

NOTE: If you want to run a higher voltage, i.e. less underclock, you have to reset to default and apply a lower overclock at the beginning. Say +50 MHz.

If you want to undervolt more, you have to run a higher overclock, like +110 MHz. But then you might get instabilities on high frequencies.

(I didn't do any testing, so I wouldn't know where the instabilities start.)

 

I have try all paste methods with grizzly at ge75. Spread method, X method And small pea method last time. Small pea method was so far better than others.for Vrams u need much paste yes.

What u mean u played before with little overclock rams 2666mhz?
U rams can run 3200mhz at stock volt.

U cant increase the limit watt its locked. decrease u can. . U can increase the limit watt Only if u give false numerous of watt (tweak imon ) and it's like unlocked.

We can compare ur temps with mine.
If u can do a throttlestop benchmark (1024)
3 times with 3,9ghz and 3 times with 3,8ghz and pic here the throttlestop.

Also can u post ur gpu voltage under full load? We need 95%+ load

 

How does effect the turbo mode on rtx2070? U have seen? I mean what clock speed and voltage. At rtx 2080 works like undervolt.its already close to the limit of voltage

 

What Turbo Mode do you mean? I could run Red Dead Redemption 2 with 1780MHz with undervolt stable. Didn't try above that.

 

I mean at dragon center. Or u have uninstall it?

 

Yeah, I'm using Silent Option and True Color.

 

Uuuf guys. Thank you for your input.

- I will leave power limit as it is for now.

- i will do some benchmarking today

- for GPU full load voltage i would need to download some GPU benchmark

- RAM: i will play with ram tweaks today. First i will apply some setting you guys posted on page 271 (i think).
Regarding 3200 on stock voltage. If i remember correctly from yesterday i already tried to set x12 in bios and it did not boot up.
Will inform you all tommorrow of my progress.

- GPU: i saw that a lot of ppl set flat curve after some frequency point. But i can not decide at which frequency i should make flat curve...

 

For boot 3200mhz need u feed ur memory control. Overclocking menu "uncore" +125
Some guys here report that uncore offset give them higher temps at cpu. I didnt notice any different at cpu with uncore offset use. I have exchalty the same temps like runs 3200mhz 0 uncore.Maybe cause different models and already they have high voltage to feed it..dont know.

If u use hwinfo64 u can set any sensor u want to msi afterburn monitoring. Open hwinfo sensors. Go to gpu core voltage sensor and right click-loyout settings and osd monitor -check show osd. And minimize the hwinfo dont close it.

They use flat curve cause they dont want the clock jumps to higher clock speeds.so the clock speed u have set runs at lowest voltage of curve.if u go very low the laptop will crash.
U need to check full load at turbo what voltage u have. Mine it's already to limit no need to undervolt.

Also what ur gpu temp when gaming?

 

Ok done with TS bench.

First three runs,
3,9 GHz @ 6 cores (at 50 % of all three runs, core speed droped to 3,7 GHz)
(74-79) °C 93.066
(74-79) °C 93,584
(76-81) °C 93,864
Runs were one after one, time in between was only that i make notes of score and temps. Temperatures are min and max of all 8 temperatures showen in Throttlestop.

3,8 GHz @6 cores (at 70 % of all three runs, core speed droped to 3,7 GHz)
71-76 C 94,131
74-78 C 94,071
75-80 C 93,235
Runs were one after one, time in between was only that i make notes of score and temps. Temperatures are min and max of all 8 temperatures showen in Throttlestop.

Throttle stop limit button gives me yellow PL1 at CPU and EDP OTHER at RING.
Is drop in core speed normal ?
https://imgur.com/9K2S6hT
https://imgur.com/9HWnDRm
https://imgur.com/BarDjTy

RAM setting was 2993 GHz at CL18 and default voltage 0 uncore.

BTW. I give RAM overclock half an hour....can not seem to not going anywhere....uncore +125 and 3200 Ghz (all other settings stock) did not boot, neither did any of setting you guys posted here.
https://imgur.com/rau7XXt
https://imgur.com/sxgESIB

 

It's normal to drop to 37 cause of power limit 45watt.

At rams go higher at TRFC and trefi no stock. About 560 trfc and 12500 trefi

 

Try Command Rate 2T and bump the voltage to 1.35V. You can lower it later when you see improvements in stability.

Put all the other values to 0 so they are trained in automatically.

 

That is the only thing that works....for now, cl18 560trfc 12500 trefi, stock voltage, 1N mode (its interesting how iny bios it is called N, everywhere else T) and what is the most important +125 uncore.
Did some testing without uncore (higher voltages, 2N mode, etc) but game always crash....

 

Yea 1N it's faster than 2N at papers. But 2n increase drastically the stability.. how faster is at real life need to try some games.maybe not difference at all.i thing more importand its mhz -cl

 

I once asked questions,why cpu eat bottleneck at "cpu" games and seanwee was telling me it is the rams. Overclock the rams.
And I didnt believe him till I tried. With 3200mhz get a nice boost at cpu games or at bad optimize games.. we haven't 9900k so the rams help our cpu. U tried any game before and after?

 

I thing u are ready to do the bios tweak now. Better temps and no power limit. Just that 928 current limit no need for me. Wtf 232 amper? I have set it normal to 560 ( 140 amper) and its enought. 232 ampere its enought to feed 200watt cpu.

 

I will enjoy some games for now. I am now runing 3,7 GHz @ 6 cores and CPU temps are max 80°C during games, which is ok.

First i need to tune my RAM overclock a bit. I can not get it lower on CL and higher on clocl then 3200 MHz and CL 18 and even those setting only works with uncore +125 (which i saw in throttle stop is the same setting as overvoltage of +125 mV on system agent.

I am little puzzled about this bios tweak and your statment that there is no power limit and that the temperatures are better.
More power usually means higher temperature, or?

 

It will be hard to know if you don't lock fan speeds.

That's why I do all my testing with 24°C room temperature and cooler boost to eliminate variables.

Yes, removing the power limit should increase the heat output if you let the cpu run at full throttle. But locking the cpu clockspeed is effectively throttling the cpu, so that's why it's not any hotter because it's using the same amount of power.

Changing the AC/DC loadline along with an undervolt will also decrease the operating voltage more than just undervolting which will also decrease temperatures.

 

No need to push ur rams.at real life u will have the same results. Only at memory benchmarks will see some difference.the big step at games it's from stock cl 2666mhz to 3200mhz. I have test cl16 3200mhz at games and was same with cl18 3200mhz...somewhere the help of memory stops with that cpu. If ur cpu at full power can calculate 10thinks per second and ur rams can give to cpu 12 think per second that doesnt mean ur cpu will raise to 12 thinks per second if he max power its 10 thinks.i hope u understand what I mean. U can even run cl15 2933. Or 2666mhz. Really didnt notice any different at games. That stock cl and 2666mhz it's the bad. Cl18 3200mh u running it's perfect u cant get more boost at games.

U can make only the ac/dc loadline .. no need to do the immon.this will give u better temps. Before do it need default voltage at throttlestop.

For u see the real difference need ur fans have the same rpm as before.

 

This is my Aida64 memory benchmark result.


Speed doesn't matter as much as the latency when it comes to gaming. Tighten your timings if you're at 3200 or above, that will lower the latency.

Having lower latency greatly increases your framerate stability (1% lows) which in turn increases the average framerate.

I'll try to find my old 3466mhz benchmark as well.

 

I found how that *****es they hit world record for 8750h hehe
I hitted close to 1300 at r15 and 3139 at r20. So close to 1st world record.

 

Who?

And how do you know what the record was?

Edit: I looked up hwbot and it seems like I rank 3rd on r15 and r20. Behind Prema and Mr.Fox for the i7 9750h.

They are both running really fast ram (3200 CL14 fast) and ultralight versions of Windows.

 

https://hwbot.org/benchmark/cineben...Id=processor_5711&cores=6#start=0#interval=20

Well do a test .open cinebench r20 or r15 and at task manager set it priority high.do the test. If u do test with priority "real time" u will get bigger score than high priority.but its bugged . U will see black screen at (real time priority )but if u let it it will show the score when finish.

Let me know the score

 

This is records for 9750h
https://hwbot.org/benchmark/cineben...Id=processor_5870&cores=6#start=0#interval=20

 

Yeah i saw.

If you look at my scores they would rank 3rd.

 

U did with priority high or real time? What ur score now?

 

I've always been running CB in realtime

There are some other tricks to make it run even faster like booting a barebones version of windows (normally used for diagnostics)from a pendrive.

 

Hmm so how they hitted 3300+? for me real time its like bugged at CB .its shows me only the score and the finished image

 

OMG.....why didnt you tell me there will be such a difference

Hahaha, awesome.....
I combine all your advice guys (AD/DC loadline 130, current limit od 560, etc..).

And let me tell you....WOW

I am testing with games (i do not like benchmarks so much) and the game i play is like day and night. Before changes 3,4 GHz @6 cores, gave me temps around and little above 80 °C. Now....3,9 GHz 6 cores run smooth at 75 °C and even fans are not kicking in Hehehe.

BTW I am not on 100 % stable undervoltage, testing for half an hour now. And i am at -190 mV on core and -110 mV on cache

I LOVE YOU ALL :3

Question #1: Now my hardware monitor and also throttlestop is reading false wattage usage information, right ?

Question #2: Now that i do not have power limit, how should i config TPL ? For watt limits it is pointless if throttlestop is geting false wattage. What about duriation of turbo time limit, cuz right now i am geting constant 3,9 GHz (no dropage)

Question #3: How are all those setting will influence life span of my laptop and components ?

BTW #2: At cinebench R20 it is my first number over 3000

 

U did the imon tweaks? If yes what number u put and what watt show under load? Let's say the throttlestop benchmark.i am.running AC/DC 5 and undervolt cache -150 core -80.

 

When undervolting keep the core and cache undervolt the same. They are linked

 

This is what i changed yesterday.
BIOS:
AC loadline 130
DC loadline 130
IMON slope 50
IMON offset prefix -
IMON offset 31999
VR current limit 560
TDC: disabled
TDC current limit 0

In throttle stop:
-190 mV core
-110 mV cache


Max CPU power consumption is 11W (thats why i ask you, if IMON slope is giving false watt consumption reading to system?

 

Yes

 

Dont give u the right false numbers .11watt+31,99= 43 watt. U draw more than 60 at benchmark.Well do a simple test for we be sure ur GE works like all other 8sg. Slope 0 immon 0. Dont change nothing else.just stock immon and slope.
Do a benchmark at throttlestop.u will see 60 watt draw (depend of undervolt) maybe u see 63 watt. ( for some seconds till limit come) Then change immon to -11999 and slope 50. Do again the same benchmark.u must see 20watt if before was 60 or 22 watt if before was 66watt. That mean the watt its show u its X3 . U will know every watt u see its X3. If u want limit ur watt as stock(45watt ) u have to change throttlestop (long power boost 15 watt) but first check if its it's like all 8sg and shows X3.

 

It doesnt work like that. Imon slope changes the modulus of the imon. The offset changes the reported value by the amount you set.

IMON stands for I(current) MON(monitoring). A slope basically applies a multiplier with 100 being 1 and 50 being 0.5. After that the offset is applied.

(I*slope) + offset

This is what happens when you apply an imon slope of 50 and a -31.999 offset. Lets say our cpu draws 100A

(100*0.5) + (-31.999) = 18.001

That value is multiplied by the processor operating voltage to give the wattage which will be the reported TDP you see.

Thats why at idle when the processor is drawing low amounts of current you'll see a negative value being reported.

 

How u count then 8750h that draw 60watt at full power? Cause full power undervolted draw 60watt real

60*0.5+ (-31,999) = -2 watt ?

If I use 31.999 show me 7 watt. Real watt its 60
I have asked hackness too.and dont know why show that watt at 8sg

That him show 11watt. With that count that mean he draw real watt about 88watt. I dont thing so

 

Only an Intel engineer can answer that question.

Regardless, there isn't an easy way to calculate the tdp after you change the imon settings. Just know that it's reporting a false value.

 

Well I will test .it more deep. That 11.999 at one game. Cause at benchmark can work like u said..
prime95 real watt 75

75*0,5 -11.999= 25 that show me
Throttlestop 60 watt real

60*0.5 -11.999 = 18watt it show me 20.its close.

Need I check a game lets say cod. I thing draw about 45watt I will test with no immon.
If it so 45watt that will be

45*0.5-11.999= 10 watt. If show 10watt with 11.999 then ur count it's so right.
For some reason dont work with 31.999

 

The equation I gave only accounts for the current monitoring.

You still have to multiply it by the operating voltage to get the tdp.

 

here are my scores with 3200 cl17 cr1, how can you get this latency??? mine should be better, no ?
And How did you get this cpu & northbridge clock ?


Anyway, with ram overclock, I got around +10% fps in farcry 5 & the division 2 !

 

Aida when start show speed in real time.
If.u have parked ur cores and only 1or 2 core its unparked will show u the speed for 1 or 2 core.

4,5ghz for 1 core

 

Core and northbridge clock do not matter. Its just what the cpu was running at when the test was started.

As for the latency I've tightened all the subtimings as well, not just the primary timings

 

Parked core dynamic its nice for that games that dont use 6 core.
Its allow u to run higher mhz than 6 cores unparked
I see my cpu runs 4,0ghz at some games and it's cool xd