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I think going from 80 to 160 is a bit too crazy. Just imagine Afterburner somehow not applying your Curve Settings... Or like Hackness mentioned your Graphics driver crashing and restarting itself, therefor also resetting your curve settings... I dont't know... sounds like a "How to Barbecue your GPU" Recipe...

 

Although it's difficult to mess it up but if you do, you can still blind-flash it.

 

Yeah I read a guide on that. I think you make like a script to boot into DOS, I forget the exact details will need to search for it.

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Did you guys try the "Nvidia OC Scan" thing in MSI Afterburner? It got me +151mhz on the stock VBios.
Would be interesting to see what others got. It's also interesting imo how it sets up the curve from point to point. it doesn't just determine an offset.

 

The previous beta builds got me 182/150 core/mem.

The new beta builds BSOD me and/or only give me core clock.

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Hmm.. I've used the 4.6 Final build, but it only oc'd my clock... it completely ignored my memory. Or my memory is a silicon lottery failed piece of unoverclockable trash...

 

I've noticed something today, if I'm battery, my games will be forced to use the iGPU somehow, however the dGPU still activate for a few seconds then turns off when programs like Chrome is loaded, I'll do more testings tonight.

If you decided to use the 160W, make sure the MSI AB profile is loaded, otherwise the R22 regulators might go kaboom.

As for ASUS one, if the file size is the same it's probably worth a try, if the Falcon security is activated, you should be able to reflash the vbios after 1 or 2 restarts.

 

Got it working!

Old Graphic Average was 16500 with PR of 17000.

New personal best with Asus Strix II 90W RTX 2060 VBIOS. Graphic: 17429

Single channel RAM so ignore physics score. Will buy another stick with next paycheck.



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Checked, it had no problem running on battery just like the Max-Q version, it was just my optimus settings were off the bat.

That's awesome! Even with 90W the graphic score is around 17400 territory, I think the 3DMark graphic score you have found earlier that went to the 18000 territory might be running on an e-GPU or really flashed a full desktop 2060 vbios.

 

Sent DM asking how you measured power draw for GPU /formula/guestimate

Also it seems subvendor and memory manufacturer do not matter. GPU-Z changes according to what hardware you have.

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Shouldn’t these RTX discussions be in the other GS65 thread?


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Yeah they should, but kept it here since I went off the information Hackness provided in this thread, as well as follow-up with other contributors about flashing VBIOS. Wanted to post results.

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Soo... setting AC/DC Loadline to 1 and disabling TDC in Core VR disables msi auto overvolting right?

But there are the same settings for gt and system agent too. Can I set those Loadlines to 1 and disable tdc too? Or do they need the autoovervolting?

For now I only set cpu and gt (I guess the Intel GPU?) to 1 and disabled the tdc. System Agent kinda sounds scary, as I don't want to starve several components at once.

I appreciate any information! Also if anyone knows any additional modifications that could be made in the Bios, I would be happy to hear them.


A stupid additional question: As the new MSI GS65 (2019) and our model are almost the same, I guess westill can't crossflash the Bios/EC Firmware right? As those seem to be newer...

 

Hi Guys,
I'm new here and wanted to get some opinions from you guys on GS65, currently there's a ongoing promotion on Microsoft store where the GS65 with 1060 was discounted to USD1199. Do you guys think is it worth to grab it? I'm looking at light gaming and some programming, is it sufficient?

Thanks

 

I think that's a steal! Be sure to repaste it to lower temps or create a profile with Throttlestop to reduce CPU speed (3.6GHz is enough for gaming in my testing).

 

Probably not recommended, iGPU and System agent are kinda important and in this case what's affected is probably the stability, which means you might see lots of freezing and BSOD, probably not worth it.

And the cross flash part that's a little scary.

 

Mhm... ok so would it be okay to set the Loadline to 0? Since it says in the description, that 0 means "automatic"?

I kinda forgot what those values were before...

 

Thanks for the advice, i'm actually comparing the GS65 GTX1060 and Razer Blade 15 base model with GTX1060 as well and RB15 base model is around USD1299. I'm leaning to GS65 because of battery life and the screen, i never experience 144hz screen before and i'm not sure about the difference between 60hz and 144hz.

 

You're in for a treat then. 60hz vs 144hz is a noticable difference IMO.
Think of a 60Hz refresh as a Honda Civic at wide open throttle. 144Hz is like a Porche 911 at wide open throttle.

 

Probably means back to Intel Default, not sure the actual effect though.

 

Guide on how to Automate refresh rate according to AC/Battery

 

What thermal pads thickness do I need to replace the stock ones? Would going with something like Gelid Extreme actually provide any improvements?

 

There are 1mm and 0.5mm and if you use the good ones you should go with 0.5mm. So the thing is they help with heat transfer but they can't help by that much to actually show any improvement. It comes down to active cooling with better heatsink.

 

I can confirm that graphics score that reach 18K isn’t egpu, if it’s it should show secondary non intel igpu on hidden tab like MSI user just did with his 2060 laptop paired with rtx2080ti here on the top rank. If you look at second till 6 users rank it’s Razer Blade without egpu. Bios flashing is probably but I don’t think so because not a lot user doing this i saw on several Razer forum, maybe no one. It’s probably though moding pad and liquid metal like @iunlock did on maxq 1070 Blade it hits 18K Graphics score.

 

If xLima's graphic score is already a 90W version plus OC and if it's already hitting the TDP barrier, then maybe he found a way to increase the TDP to around 100 or 105W, or flashed to a desktop version and limit the maximum clock rate and voltage through MSI AB.

My GS65 1070 Max-Q could only handle around 100W for long gaming session peaked at around 80C which gives around 18070, and I think this is the sweet spot for my GS65.

If I let it shoot to 120W, the graphic score goes up to 19647 but the temperature would peak at around 86C after a long gaming session, which I think is too hot for my taste.

 

Yes high 80ish for GPU isn't also convertible to me. Idk how that 5 different users can easily get 15,5K overall score, are they making it together. Rtx blade has better fans and cooling than 2018 model, with higher rpm fans and if user can maximize it with some liquid metal and pad moding they can bump the performance for having better cooling headroom. I saw on Reddit as well today blade 2060 user a bit confused since his performance reach 2070maxq on notebookcheck. I told him not to look at other brands performance since GPU tdp, oem ec setting may be vary. Out of box apparently it's same lame, only with cpu undervolting and AB OC he get easily SotR highest setting benchmark almost 80fps vs mine 1070maxq 70fps, default no oc gaming mode still outperform my 1070maxq on this game, probably because rtx is better on dx12 1080p. That's with no BIOS flashing, you can try running SotR benchmark if you have it, 15,8K overall should be around 77 fps highest preset.
Edit: sorry I was wrong not sotr, AC Odyssey, was wrong with other user, here is what he checked.
Edit2: @xLima, Blade 15 2060 according that first place 3Dmark Firestrike holder on Reddit it’s 90 watt, confirmed from HWinfo64, so probably it’s Razer who set gpu to lower boost clock so it’s show up like it’s not 90 Watt. And as i thought he didn’t use egpu nor vbios flashing, maybe he’ll do something similiar after talking with me and seeing your success flashing vbios on rtx model

 

I'll have to try again, perhaps with desktop version and mod the viltage. With AB

 

His memory clock is also a lot higher though. If I got up another 50 I artifacts and most likely crash/don't load benchmark.

I there are GPU Driver mods that allow more memory OC but I thought it was something like +50, JMotz85 has +300 on me
It should say "I have heard of GPU..."

 

He doesn’t even know how to check gpu tdp wattage (Sorry jmotz if you saw this), how can he mode that. He only OC gpu with AB and undervolting the cpu, no LM, bios flashing, moding etc. Maybe he got good silicons lottery but it’s 5 users I think behind him. I think if any tweaker get hand with this blade 2060 it’ll get similar performance with him. About memory and core clock from 3Dmark, it’s often reporting wrongly, they can’t even manage to specify gpu that’s running, sometimes shows 1070maxq sometimes 1070 notebook, and when I tested egpu it shows also mostly dgpu, only sometimes really shows gpu inside egpu enclosure.

 

I just got the laptop yesterday, overall quite satisfied with the laptop. Right now still playing around with the throttlestop

 

What model did you get? The 1070 max-q?

 

The one with 1060, the memory clock frequency is 2666Mhz instead of 2400 as advertise

 

Oh nice, the 1070 is 2666Mhz as well, where did you buy yours?

 

I got it from Microsoft store, managed to undervolt to -0.155 mV and the temperature hovering around 75-85C. This is my first high performance laptop, the fan really loud though when underload, is it normal?

I used the guide below to adjust both fan and throttlestop setting.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MSILaptops/comments/8kinhj/msi_gs65_hot_games_cool_temps_and_you_crosspost/

 

JRey has a really good guide for adjusting a custom fan curve.
https://www.theeverydayenthusiast.com/home/review-msi-gs65
It's an excellent guide.

Also, i would only undervolt the CPU and Cache. Not the system agent nor iGPU. Make sure you undervolt both by the same value. Another thing you can do is limit the turbo clock to 35, that's what i've done.

 

Thanks man, let me try again tonight, the enthusiasm of performance tuning is back after gone for so long. hehe

 

Hi Guys, I am considering getting this machine for work/business use as it is such a great value/performance proposition. Would you guys recommend this for work/business with some light 3D architectural model review and heavy use of office applications excel, chrome, lots of large PDFs etc. I guess my biggest concern is reliability - thanks for any of your replies.

 

I installed MSI Afterburner but there's no fan tab to select, i'm unable to create custom fan curve. Is there any other program for custom fan curve?

 

You can't modify the GS65 fan curve with Afterburner. You need either Dragoncenter or MSI Silent Option (Skylake Version) for that. There you can set the Fan Curves for GPU and CPU.

 

Fan curve is in Dragon Center, its the "Advanced" option. Then click the gear wheel next to it. Voltage curve for the GPU is in MSI Afterburner.

 

Just got this notebook (MSI GS 65 8 RE / RF STEALTH THIN (Nvidia GeForce GTX 1060 Max-Q / 1070 Max-Q Design). I need to add SSD, is any recommendation about brand? I need at least 2TB

 

HELP PLEASE!

I updated to windows update 1809 last night and after that my keyboard colors stopped compeltely working!

I have tried reinstalling steelseries engine 3 but its still not working!

Help me, what do i do?????

I also cant access this website from the laptop nor use gmail.com or post on msi forums becaise I get some wierd errors something about SSL, lol WTF is wrong?

It also installed all killer apps and windows apps so wierd

 

I fixed this by going back to 1803 and updating steelengine.. really wierd.

Is windows update 1809 enabling RTX? Ive read to enable RTX in metro exodus u must have 1809

I have one more question, i have newest dragon center installed and afterburner I oc my rtx 2060 in afterburner. Should I uninstall dragon centre?

 

Thanks got it, configure with JRey fan curve, the CPU temperature never hit 90C after the change.

 

Although Dragon center has improved a lot, I recommend uninstalling it to properly tweak your machine (undervolting etc) and use Afterburner when you want to OC your GPU.

 

Why should i uninstall it if afterburner works ok with dragon centre installed?

 

I meant tweaking the CPU - Dragon Center overrides certain BIOS settings that change the CPU voltage, and gets troublesome when using throttlestop or intel XTU.

If you are okay with dragon center and don't want to do any additional tweak, by all means keep it. It's still a software with various utilities that are helpful if you want. In my case, I can use most of the utilities elsewhere and I prefer to run with the least amount of programs.

 

Have you check to see if Dragon Center messes with the GPU OC settings you have set using MSI Afterburner?

 

Anyone else here whose lockscreen is freezing for like 15 seconds when turning the laptop on? (cold boot) I only see the wallpaper in this time. All windows 10 updates are installed, but I have this issue for about 2-3 months now.

 

It doesnt, i uninstalled dragon centre and there was no improvment. And dc gives us battery managment the thing where u charge only up to 60 its great