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Covers up the logo though... I ordered from Ali Express, it's a clear matte protector with a cutout. Who knows how long it'll take to get here and what the quality will be though.

 

BIOS update to E16Q2IMS.112

Change log:
- Update CPU microcode to version 0xB4.

Download link: http://download.msi.com/bos_exe/nb/E16Q2IMS.112.zip

Soon will appear on the official website.
https://www.msi.com/Laptop/support/GS65-Stealth-Thin-8RE/#down-bios
https://www.msi.com/Laptop/support/GS65-Stealth-Thin-8RF#down-bios

* BIOS updated at my request.

 

What reason did you request the update for?

*UPDATE*
Nevermind, looked up the changes. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4497165/kb4497165-intel-microcode-updates

 

Not sure if it's a coincidence, but anyone notice hotter temps with the new BIOS update E16Q2IMS.112? My max temps previously were 89-90, now constantly hitting 93-94.

EDIT: Oof, apparently BIOS settings reset upon update and basically removed my undervolt.

 

Hi All,

I have a question.
I add an SSD 970 EVO NVMe M.2 1TB inside my laptop - GS65 / 1070.
Performance are good but not as expected...
I expected around 2,500 MB/s for Writing instead of 1,500.

Any comment or help ?
What performance you have from your side ?

Thank you.

 

Hi All,

Keyboard issue on my GS65 / 1070...
RGB keys are dying one by one !

I'm speaking about the RGB light, keys itself are still working.
3 in 1 month !
My laptop is 1 year old...

Any one experiencing the same issue ?
I already check the connection inside...

Any other place then eBay to buy a new original keyboard ?
My warranty just expired 2 weeks ago ! :-(

Thank you.

 

This is "normal", mine did it at 6 months. 3 keys, and I don't even use RGB, just noticed when I turned it on to play around with steel series GitHub script.

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Yep the unique point about a system like this is you either sacrifice the SSD or the keyboard, you just have gotta choose one.

By making the decision of adding a thermal pad to the SSD or not adding one.

I choose to sacrifice the keyboard because I've extended warranty so that I RMA for free keyboards when this laptop is in service...

But yea the SSD's temperature is never higher than 65C.

 

Hi Hackness,

I don't understand your comment.

Yes, I add a termal pad on my SSD (970 Samsung).
Is there any connection with this termal pad and the keyboard issue ?

Thank you.

 

There was for me, keys not registering or lights malfunctioning, but this was because my pads were to thick. Removing fixed this.

But eventually keys still lost green LEDs.

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hi
Does anyone also have coilwhine only when the cpu is idle or in relative light use? it is very strange because when i push the cpu moderately or hard the coil whine stops or is i dissable cpu c states in the bios. But if i set eco mode in msi dragon cneter the coil whine also stops.

 

Adding thermal pads to the SSD on the GS65 means you are transferring the heat from the SSD to the keyboard, and a few of my RGB light broke because of the long term heat coming from the SSD, what I'm saying is that I still prefer having the heat transferred to the keyboard, even though it's breaking the RGB light, however I can still use my extended warranty to get free keyboards, by the way I'm on my 4th keyboard.

 

I wish I were able to open mine and keep warranty.
Do you flash back the VBIOS prior to the RMA?

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Previously I called MSI here in Taiwan and ask if I wanted to add one more SSD will it do any harm towards the warranty?

They told me as long there isn't any trace of man made damage it'd still be under the warranty.

And yea I flash back to stock vbios before RMA.

 

Anyone updated to 1903 and found that the brightness doesn't stick for either AC or battery mode?

Like when you set the brightness to 100% on AC and unplug it, it'd still stay at 100%.

I wonder if Microsoft thought that was a good idea (What we called stupid idea).

By the way I had to update the BIOS to E16Q2IMS.112 for the new cpu microcode before updating to 1903.

 

Yes.. it's one brightness setting for ac/dc.

Searched Google and found it is the same for everyone using 1903.

I didn't have to update the bios though!

 

Are they trying out something like turning Windows 10 into a real bad product then fix again and repeat again just to have more job available to the workers?

 

Feels like that.. or maybe not even fix it and amazing people like you here on NBR will find a fix or work around..!

 

@dmemon

Dbrand Skin - Razer Blade Adv 2019

Trackpad skin isn't compatible. Too small.

My strategy was to use the plastic sheet that comes stock with the MSI GS65 and paste it on the reverse side of the skin and use a marker and scissor or blade to do cut out. (I user scissor, but blade is much better, I ended up cutting 2x and it wasn't exact cut.)

Width is perfect. I would take care to cut on the side closest to hinge, in case you mess up it's less noticeable. Also remember it must be SMALLER by 0.5mm to minimise risk of skin peeling off over time. So all you need to is cut bottom portion, everything this else is perfect out of the box.

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Edit: shoot meant to be on 2019 MSI gs65 thread. I assume it should work for 2018.

 

RMA questiion. Just went through and updated all drivers & software and did a backup. I've had my keyboard lit the same way for months and decided to make a change during this process and noticed one key has lost some colors. It still works and lights up just won't light up in certain colors. I am under warranty. I wondered if MSI would just send a new keyboard for me to install versus having to sent it out. Anyone have any experience just getting replacement parts sent vs sending it in?

 

After doing some studies,

I now know why the RB15's 1070 Max-Q vbios wouldn't work on the GS65, because the RB15's 1070Max-Q has a different hardware ID, which is 10DE 1BE1, where the GS65's 1070Max-Q is 10DE 1BA1.

And it seems like flashing the display card with a different hardware ID would also activate the Falcon reset renders the card unusable until you flash it back to the compatible VBIOS.

Which also means if RB15 users want to flash their 1070Max-Q to a full 1070 mobile, they might have to find hardware ID that's listed 10DE 1BE1 to be compatible to their 1070Max-Q.

But for Optimus system, when the vbios is opened with Pascal TDP editor, it'll have to be showing 55AA next to checksum, 4E56 seems to be for G-sync only.

 

This is the first 8 digits right? 10DE 1BE1 XXXX XXXX

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Yep, that's right.

 

Hi Hackness,

How you made the connection between the keyboard and the SSD heat ?
I understand your point with the heat and the thermal pad but can it be just a weakness or defect of the keyboard ?
I'm not sure that the heat of the SSD can be so high to damage the keyboard ?
I noticed we lost the same color: green and I also add a thermal pad to the SSD.
But the thermal pad should diffuse the heat instead of keeping high temp in just one place, no ?

Another question is it the keyboard or the connector of the keyboard which is damaged ?

 

Well, when you game the keyboard does get hot when you have a thermal pad between the two.

The purpose of adding the thermal pad to the SSD is only to conduct some of the heat to the other side of the pad, which is the keyboard.

I cannot tell you exactly that where in your keyboard is damaged, or if the heat coming from the SSD could damage the component in the keyboard,

But from the long term service provided by my GS65 since the 2018 April, which I send in once I see a key's RGB light goes wrong, I've already RMA to swap the Keyboard for many times up to now,

I'm currently on my 4th keyboard.

GS65's design definitely isn't good for the keyboard.

 

Not true. My stock GS65 has been fine for the year or so I've had it, and a friend's stock GS65 (different SKU because different vendor) has been fine for the same less the month or so difference in our purchase times. What isn't good for the keyboard is the hardware hacks that some of you have pushed on yours.

 

No one to help me on this ?
Thank you.

 

Sorry no one replied.
Tried Samsung’s own drivers? See also this guide... https://www.tweaktown.com/guides/68...ssd-performance-installation-guide/index.html

 

Activate TRIM. Most disk defraggers have TRIM optimisation. Or Samsung disk (magician) utility also has this feature.


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Magician is trash (only somewhat useful for firmware updates for those which use this tool). It will push you to Microsoft’s own defrag:Trim tool if you’re on Win 10.

 

By stock, you mean no opening no tweaking? Does your SSD and your friend's SSD have a pad on top of it?

 

I mean exactly that. Couldn't tell you what's stuck on our drives. Neither of us have gone further than removing the bottom cover.

 

Well what's the highest temperature you have seen on your SSD when a high CPU + GPU game is being played?

Before adding the pad it was nearly 80C for me, after adding the pad 65C max.

I've added the pad about 2 months after I bought.

And I have 2 SSD, so the heat to the keyboard is even more.

 

Hey guys,

Can someone recommend me a good thermal paste, ssd and ram for my gs65. I have it for one year and I feel like a need to replace the thermal paste and also i want more space/ram. Thank you!

 

Dunnow off hand. I'll check tonight. Of course, if you installed a high performance drive without a heat sink then that would be a cause of thermal problems and, again, that would be on you if you're dumping that heat into the keyboard.

Edit: about 50C. But then, it's a SATA drive so it won't ever exceed its operational envelope. Unlike a NVMe drive which will overheat in this chassis because there is no place for a heat sink. Or rather, you're using your keyboard as a heat sink because you've coupled it to the drive with the thermal pads. And LEDs really don't like heat. So yeah, the keyboard damage you've been experiencing is self-inflicted.

 

Yep there's no room for a heatsink, that's why GS65's design isn't good for the keyboard, consider some of the manufactures were able to place NVME drives in their chassis and have the heat conducted to the bottom panel. Also, if you see the later models of this laptop, MSI have also started placing pads on the SSD and transfers the heat to the keyboard.

There's a quick fix though for NVME users though,

If we are talking about the PM981:

Open Regedit and go to [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\PowerSettings\0012ee47-9041-4b5d-9b77-535fba8b1442\51dea550-bb38-4bc4-991b-eacf37be5ec8]

Set Attributes to 2.

Open Advanced power option, go to hard disk section,

Set the Maximum power level between 80~99% will lower the allowed power level of the PM981 SSD to 33% max.

For the PM981, the read will cap at around 1035MB/s and Write would cap at around 650MB/s.

Still faster than SATA but less heat produced and about 1.5~2W less in power consumption compared to 100% power level when benching the SSD.

If you set the Maximum power level between 0~79% will lower the PM981 SSD power level to 10% max, the read will cap at around 250MB/s and Write would cap at around 170MB/s.

The power consumption would be about 3.5~4W less than 100% power level when benching the SSD.

970 Pro is a different story though, 79% would still be in the 33% power level range, you'll need to lower more to make it reach the 10% max zone.

You can test to see which one fits you the best.

 

No. It's a perfectly fine design for the keyboard.

It's a bad design for NVMe drives.

 

A perfect design would also have the other component perform at an optimal level.

Anyways, there are better designs out there, it is just MSI went with this one.

 

I've been using the Samsung's 970 PRO 1TB for my 2nd slot of the SSD.

As for thermal paste, after trying out IC diamond, gelid extreme, Cooler Master mastergel maker nano and thermal grizzly kryonaut with pea, X style and spread type, thermal grizzly kryonaut applied with spread type (As thin as possible) worked best on mine. GS65's heatsink pressure is a little too low for pea and X style.

As for RAM I can't comment on this, I just use the stock RAM which is 16GB x 2 and OC'd from 2400MHz to 3467MHz.

 

Has anyone used Thermal Grizzly Carbonaut?

 

Tried IC Graphite pad, mediocre performance on the GS65 because there isn't enough pressure, but this Carbonaut seems like a different one.

In this video when applied to a desktop, the performance of it is worse than the MX-4 though.

And that was with enough pressure on it, I think it might not be so good on the GS65.

The low pressure is also a problem for most thermal paste, which is probably why spread type improves the temperature by a bit when compared to pea or x type.

 

Can anyone with the msi g65 9sd post the default TPL settings from throttle stop? I'm wondering what the default numbers for the i9750 cpu are. Also, anyone have a good resource/guide for undervolting specific to the 9750?

I've repasted with Kryonaut, undervolted cpu and cache -145, intel gpu -40, system agent - 40, brought turbo limits down to 45,41,41,38,38,37, enabled speed shift at 80 epp, unclamped TPL long, but I'm getting a pl2 limit. I'm wondering if in all my messing with stuff I changed the default values. I'll attach my tpl and fivr if anyone can give me some advice that would be awesome

 

Hey guys... so... sadly, after about 9 months... I seem to also suffer the GPU Fan grinding thing... yesterday it was even so bad, I thought it would stop spinning altogether.

Now it works again as if nothing ever happened... then it starts grinding again but really quitly... it goes away and comes back etc...

Is there anything I can do? I don't really want to rma it... but loosing my warranty also would be bad, as I have 3 years warranty for this thing...


If I open it... do I need to remove the the motherbboard? Or could I access the fans immidiatly? I couldn't find a single how-to guide for replacing the fans...

I read in some places, that msi sometimes just sends replacement fans, so if I would get something like that, how hard would it be to replace them?


And if anyone ever had to go through the rma process in germany, it would be nice to hear how it was...

thx in advance

 

Anyone notice the latest BIOS release dated 8/23/2019. Looks like it's the release from last month as the release notes state 7/22/2019. Any idea why it has this new date?

 

Generally the build date you see from the BIOS itself is older than the listed date of the release on the website, or the date of the zip / container, as each date is from a different stage of the overall build / release cycle.

The engineer build date is the date of the last checkin / build of the BIOS. Then the BIOS goes to QA / testing - and usually takes 4-6 weeks from the build date to the release date - except for specials or emergency builds which can go straight from build to customer availability for quick testing - to see if the fix(es) work.

So, most 'new' code releases are about a month older in engineering release than customer release - when you see them for download.

 

Heat pipes are welded to the upper plate of the fan, and the screws are on the flipped side, so you'll have to flip the motherboard.

Call MSI and let them know that you needed to use this laptop daily, they might offer to send you a replacement all together with the heat sink.

Here is a video you can take a look, her GS60 is also having the same issue, and the fans are similar, look for the part she took it to the repair shop for cleaning:

 

You can remove fan without taking heatsink off but you have to wiggle it out and kinda pry up the heatsink. You risk deforming it and probably not worth it. If you are in there anyway you might as well take everything off and replace paste.

With your 3 year warranty. And the high rate of fan failure and LED RGB keyboard burning out consider if you feel it is worth voiding warranty.



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I like tech girls they’re cuter that most girls

Send and let manufactures fix that if anything goes wrong under 24 months usage we’re protected by “Gewährleistung“ here even one year Razer guarantee can’t mess around with that politic.

 

That makes sense, however the BIOS was originally uploaded on 7/22/2019 as I've been on it for about a month now. Why the reupload is why I'm wondering if nothing was changed.

 

That's as it should be, as my explanation said the BIOS update has a build date 1 month earlier than the actual upload date - so the release notes checked in with that build would also have been written 1 month ago as well to be included in the release build check in, right?

If this months release date is 8/23/2019 with release notes bearing a date of 7/22/2019, then the previous BIOS release date should have a release notes date of about a month prior to it's upload date as well.

What is the date listed inside those release notes from the previous BIOS?