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Can anyone explain what 'No limit power' means and how to fix it?
It keeps flashing in the MSI Afterburner overlay. I own the gs65 1070 model.
Installed 2666 Dual Channel 32gb ram

I have tried the following on CPU
Undervolted to -140mV using throttlestop.
Increased voltage.
Liquid Metal CPU (Max 70 deg range).
Adjusted dragon center fan curve.

I have tried the following on GPU
Undervolted in Afterburner
OC'd in Afterburner (gain 3 -5 fps)
Liquid metal (Max 70 deg range)

Cheers

 

It's power limit I believe, just means you are at/near the 80+W limit. You could try flashing the 90W VBIOS if you really wanted a few more frames. You will still hit limit, just later.

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Is that the mb I flash?

 

This is with nvflash, and you flash the GPU BIOS. But it's not incredible gains and will increase heat on GPU.

If you are happy with your current settings I would just ignore or disable the limit reason portion of MSI AB.

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Thanks for posting this. For the longest time I've been trying to figure out how to lower the treshold for throttling. I'm running at 5 right now, which theoretically should be OK given the Max Temp is 100C. Of note, ThrottleStop doesn't seem to report correct CPU temps as it reports my Max never goes above 93, however it shows HEAT as a limiting factor. However MSI Afterburner shows it does reach up to 95 at times, which is why I'm being throttled still.

 

I'm glad it was useful for you.

I use 94 prochot, with advanced fan (100% CPU, 90% GPU) while gaming and i my max temp is 90 on some peaks, my temperature may be higher than expected, on my model (P65 8RE) the gtx 1060 has a power limit of 60W, i flashed another bios to get it to 78W, so there is more heat inside now.

I have a few questions:

What are you doing when you reach 95?
You undervolted the cpu right?
What fan profile are you using?

 

Playing PUBG seems to do the trick, but I'm not surprised given how poorly optimized this game is.

Yes, I'm running an undervolt pushed to the max, any lower and I have BSODs. For my fan I'm using Silent Option with the settings off The Everyday Enthusiast.

 

I do not reach 90 with PUBG, im around 80 with constant 3,9Ghz (high performance profile), this is with my custom fan curve in dragon center, i don't use silent option so i don't know about that. My room temperature is around 20.

 

Every time I close the lid the laptop freezes up. Dark screen and the light next the power button is white. Only way to get it to do something is a hard reset. I've tried changing the power settings and it didnt help. Does it both plugged in and unplugged. any help?

 

Update the graphics drivers and then try again.

 

The only driver that needed updated was MSI firmware. we'll see if it helps. Thanks for the suggestion.

 

Please update Intel HD Graphics, and Nvidia GPU drivers using below links.
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/29074/Intel-Graphics-Windows-10-DCH-Drivers
https://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/152011

 

Hello,

I have a MSI GS65 8RE; I need to find out spare part code for the touchpad and where I can find to buy;
Maybe some one can help me;

Thanks in advance.

Have a good day,
Gabi

 

Hey guys, I've been having a problem recently. Up until about a month ago, my laptop had been working fine, I've been using it for both gaming and work and absolutely loved it.

Recently however I've been experiencing random frame drops during games. When I say random, I mean completely random, there doesnt seem to be any rhyme or reason to how long or short they stutter, or how intense the stutter is. Some days it's barely noticeable, other days it's literally unplayable.

I have noticed that when it does stutter, the GPU will suddenly spike to 100% on the Dragon Center 2.0 monitoring system. Normally in most games it never goes above 50-60%. The CPU doesnt have any issues, it's normally totally stable.

It's just the simple MSI GS65 Stealth Thin with a GTX 1070.

I've already updated all the drivers, the BIOS and the EC as well as reinstalled windows (as much of a hassle that was), but nothing seems to of changed. I've already ruled out it being the internet as these issues do not carry over to other devices such as my console. I've spent a solid week trying to figure this out and have kinda just given up. Has anyone encountered this issue before and found a solution?

 

Use a temperature monitoring tool and run it in the background then check it later to see any other anomalies.

 

Hey Guys

I hope someone here can help me, i spend countless hours figuring this out:
My laptop started to boot into a black screen quite a while ago. It shows the MSI logo, then when windows starts to load the screen does not show anything anymore.
There is still Video coming out of the HDMI port. I can still get video on the screen when in safe mode, but when booting into windows normally, it treats the screen as if it would not exist.

In the beginning, sticking a HDMI cable into the laptop and pulling it out again fixed it.

Then it happened again but the HDMI cable in and out did not work.

To fix it I tried many things: I shut off all power saving. I long pressed the battery reset button on the underside. I reset and even updated the BIOS. I booted into safe mode and re-installed display drivers. All that did not fix it. Then I've reset windows altogether. Resetting windows was the point that fixed it last time. I hoped it was gone for good.

Yesterday i install a new game and it updates some drivers (Divinity Original Sin 2 through Steam). Then when launching the game for the first time, my screen goes into black mode again. I hear the game loaded fine. Restarting does not fix it. I try the other fixes. Does not work. I reset windows again. Not even that fixes it now.
Again, the MSI logo shows, going to Bios works fine, safe mode shows up fine, using an external monitor works fine. Just that normally booted Windows thinks the built in screen does not even exist.

I could find hints for this problem in this tread but no systematic solution to it.

Does anyone else experience the same thing and found a fix that works every time? Or even better how to prevent it from happening ever again?

I really want to like this laptop but this problem is driving me up the wall. Really hope one of you figured this one out.

Thanks for reading.

 

What version of Windows are you using? Have you also updated the BIOS & EC to the latest version?

 

Hi, thanks for responding

I am running Windows 10 and i installed both the lastest BIOS and the latest firmware (and the latest gfx drivers) from the MSI website.

 

Can you download the latest graphics driver from Intel and Nvidia?

 

Anyone have the keyboard problem where only a few keys register?

I'm seeing mixed responses saying it's a software problem and some saying its hardware.
I've opened the GS65 many occasions and all ribbon cables are not bent and dirty. I have uninstalled steel series and reinstalled but still a few keys wont register.

Anyone know a fix to this?

 

Please tell the name of the insulating film?

 

It's called an insulation sheet.

 

Hi everyone,

TLDR:

In the office, we have MSI GS65 Stealth Thin 8RF (i7-8750H, 16GB, GTX 1070), which CPU fan spins @ 6000RPM from the moment you press the start button.
I want to test with older BIOS/FW versions, but I don't know which "combination" is safe - I'm currently with the latest available BIOS/FW versions.

I don't know if the problem is wrong readings from the motherboard or something else, but when I install MSI Dragon Center it randomly goes on BSOD
with "bad pool caller" error. If I try to run SpeedFan to read the data from the sensors it goes on BSOD bad pool caller every time.
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History:

Laptop had CPU fan issues from the moment we bought it.
CPU fan was spinning at very high RPM on random occasions, even on the desktop, no matter which profile have been set in MSI Dragon Center.
CPU was hitting max boost clock on random occasions. We updated the latest (at that time, last year) BIOS/Firmware updates but it didn't help.
We RMA it and they told us the whole cooling solution was replaced. We received it back and we tough it was better than before, but yet again it started
to boost clock itself and cpu fan was going crazy.

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Current state:
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After another BIOS/FW update it gotten to the point where the CPU fan is always @ ~6000RPM no matter what.
From the moment you press the power button the laptop CPU fan start spinning at ~6000RPM.

I tried undervolting with Intel Extreme Tuning Utility, but no luck. MSI Dragon Center is not helping - no matter which profile is set.
I tried reseting EC few times, but no luck.

I updated everything to the latest version available from the website: https://www.msi.com/Laptop/support/GS65-Stealth-Thin-8RF#down-bios

BIOS Version: E16Q2IMS.112
BIOS Build: 21.05.2019

EC Build: 16Q2EMS1.107
EC Date: 30.01.2019

ME FW Version: 12.0.0.1062

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I'm open for suggestions. Thank you in advance!

 

Hi!
I overclock the RAM with Your timings and everything works.
Were these timings stable?

Spoiler: Stock 2666

Spoiler: 2933

 

Looks good for a memory benchmark, now you need to use the laptop normally and see if you encounter any freezing or blue screen, if freezing does pop sometimes then you need to lower your tREFI, if you see bsod or see error often when running programs then you need to increase the tRFC.

 

BIOS https://1drv.ms/u/s!ArgNvCzXGkEXwRXoJWG2kwooq1rO?e=wVX75U

EC https://1drv.ms/u/s!ArgNvCzXGkEXyAZz1PDXcBHljV5-?e=yiGdiE

Please be careful to select the right version 8SE/8RF

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Hi, thanks fro the input.

I have the links for the previous versions, but I don't know which "combination" of BIOS and EC is safe to revert to.
For example if I flash BIOS .104 I might go into bootloop or something like that if this BIOS is not compatible with the current installed version of the EC.
I remember I have seen a post about that in other forum regarding this laptop, but I don't remember where.

 

My laptop's GPU fans have been going crazy lately. It would randomly just spin at 100% for a while, with 0 load.
I just repasted and installed new thermal pads and the problem still persists.
MSI Dragon Center also reads the fan speed as 0 RPM when it's going at 100%

 

Did you clean up the fan and vent?
How does the temperature looks?

 

Hey all, having trouble with my GS65 after about 10 months of ownership, hoping someone can help!

Playing Rocket League via Steam and I get a freeze, some graphical wierdness and then a flash of an erorr box before my laptop totally crashes. Upon reboot I'm getting Code 43 against it in device manager, HWInfo thinks its a fake and throttlestop doesnt recognise it. Also, the fan for it is spinning fairly highly, not at the max point in the curve, but not at idle either. The LED next to the power button is permanently orange.

Confession - Just repasted with liquid metal, BUT this is not my first rodeo. I first repasted with LM when nearly new, then when it was due again after about 4 months (bad core temps) I used Kryonaut. Wasn't happy with CPU core temp differences with Kryo and the heatsink lottery so today switched back to LM for both CPU and GPU. Also replaced all thermal pads with Gelids at the appropriate thicknesses.

First thought was that I'd screwed up the LM on the GPU, so took it apart again, and not a drop anywhere other than on the die. Regardless, cleaned die and heatsink, removed my protective Kapton tape and put some Kryonaut on the GPU. No change (didn't really expect there to be.)

I've tried uninstalling the GPU and reinstalling (though not yet with DDU or similar utilities as its getting late here). As the driver also updated last night and I haven't done anything graphics intensive between then and after repaste, I tried rolling back the driver (again, using device manager) but to no avail.

Obvious conclusion is something to do with the repaste, but I couldn't see any issue with what I had done, plus I was playing Rocket League for 15mins or so before the problem occured. As far as I know the chip wasnt overheating, as the GPU fans were not screaming at any point.

Before I succumb to the realisation that I've screwed up a £1,500 laptop somehow, has anyone got any bright ideas on whether there might be a fix?

Thanks all.

 

Sorry to hear that. This issue definitely had spoiled the excitement and happiness from your ownership experience.
Did you purchase this from an authorized reseller as a brand new unit? Did you have to set up user account, etc? Try updating all of the drivers to the latest version such as nvidia.com and intel.com and see if this helps.

 

Thanks for the reply. Yes it was brand new last Feb from Currys PC World here in the UK.

I will try as many software fixes as I can find or think of tomorrow, I'm just hoping it's not a hardware issue...

 

If you look at the underside of the lappy there is a tiny pinhole roughly under the touchpad, it's for resetting the bios.
Turn off the lappy, unplug the power supply, use a needle and gently push that little reset button thru that little hole and at the same time hold down the power button.
Count to 30....slowly.
Plug it back in and it'll take a bit longer to boot, be patient.
See if that helps....worth a shot.

 

See if you can also perform memory test without errors, if so, then perform BIOS & EC update too as those usually have fixes/enhancement for the system to work better. Please keep us posted.

 

Thanks folks, I will report back.

EDIT: I'm not sure about the EC reset as I disconnected the battery again when I went inside to see if LM had leaked anywhere. I'll do it anyway though - I'll try anything at this point!

 

Ok, I tried the EC reset, no luck there.

I tried DDU, which reverted the GTX to "Display Adapter", reinstalled the factory driver. No luck.

Currently reinstalling windows, but the power LED is orange constantly, even in BIOS and Windows installation, so thinking this is a bigger problem.

If this doesn't work I'll try the Bios update.

If that doesn't work....?

Edit: well windows install didn't work, same error.

Will try BIOS, then I guess its praying that the warranty will hold...

Bios update didn't work either. Surely this means physical damage?

Though I notice that in Dragon Center, while clock speeds for the GPU both read N/A, the temp holds around 48 at idle fan speeds. If it's not working, why is it heating up??

Also noticed that attempting to update to the latest 441.41 driver causes BSOD...

 

Hi!
I've had some major GPU fan issues with my GS65 and I was wondering if anyone has had something similar happen. First off, I had the grinding noise issue that I've seen mentioned everywhere. The machine was RMA'd and I was told the entire heatsink was replaced, but ever since it came back there's been a new issue - GPU fan 2 (the red one) always spins at what I can only assume is max speed, regardless of CPU/GPU load or temperature. I have opened the machine up and booted it with the back removed (yeah I know, not recommended...) and the red GPU fan starts spinning at 100% directly from the moment the machine is turned on. Now the odd thing is that Dragon Center reports it at being at 0 RPM! Using "advanced mode" with default values, the GPU fans should not run at all when temps are low. I have three fans listed in Dragon Center and during times with no load, the figures typically read:
Fan 1: 1900 RPM
Fan 2: 0 RPM
Fan 3: 0 RPM
If I put some GPU load on the machine so the temps rise, or put in in Cooler Boost mode, the first GPU fan starts spinning too and I receive what I believe are correct RPM readings from both GPU fans, but the erroneous one just jumps from 0 to ~6800 RPM with no middle ground. And the second I turn off Cooler Boost, it jumps directly down to 0 but like I said, even when it reports 0 RPM the secondary GPU fan is clearly running at full speed. Silent option behaves the same (though it only lists one GPU fan).

So yeah, something is clearly wrong with the fan, but there's no warranty left and getting Chinese spare parts is a bit troublesome from where I live, so I'm at a loss for any options besides only using the machine with headphones on. It was originally intended to be used in an office environment but the fan noise is just unbearable. Do you think there's anything that can be done besides replacing the fan?

 

Added:
- Audio driver 6.0.8862.1
- Killer Software Package 2.2.1397
- Intel Wlan 21.70.0.1
- Intel Graphics Driver 26.20.100.7584
- NVIDIA Graphics Driver 441.66

Full list of stable drivers here: https://mega.nz/#F!11ZnWIiS!gJj14a77n784rYBGjcPHPw

 

Hi, I've got MSI GS65 gaming notebook. Usually I run Chrome with many windows, Photoshop and some game - at the same time. And the notebook started to get really slow.
It stutters with keyboard input: I type a sentence and it would freeze for a few seconds as I keep typing and then suddenly 2 words appear.
In Lightroom or Photoshop - I can't use the tuner controls properly - as the mouse stutters and I miss the correct numbers. And it stutters every 10 seconds or so.
I often miss elements with my mouse button even in Chrome.
I can't really work and this is my working PC
So it looks like the something uses the CPU for like 80-90 %. But the CPU is used only for 15% (by Chrome).
Also, when playing a game (overwatch) - it freezes for like 5 seconds, then It comes back.

The temperature of the CPU package and cores jumps alarmingly and erratically - see the screen shot attached. From 65 to 75 to 85 Celsius.
I switched on the boost on fans, it helped the temperature, but not buy much.
I disassembled the chassis, there was not much dust there.

I have tried: antivirus, BIOS update, switching off almost all unused programs (there are usual drivers there + keyboard, mouse and pen drivers), uninstalled Norton security completely, Disk tests and defrag, memtest during boot, closing all the apps besides one or two I am working with..

The only thing left that comes to mind - boot from Windows PE USB drive and work from there. If it works - reinstall windows.
If it still stutters - I have no idea what else to try.
Did anyone encounter this?


Thanks a lot for your ideas!
Denis

 

repaste the cpu and gpu heatsink!

 

Check task manager and examine what processes are using the most of your resources, especially processor.

 

Coil whine comes from the VRM. If it's only doing it at idle or light load, try changing your undervolt value.

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I'm having the exact same issue. Have you found any solution yet?

 

Hi, that was interesting to hear. I actually recently ordered a replacement fan from aliexpress but it hasn’t arrived yet. I have opened the laptop and carefully removed the motherboard as I wanted to inspect the fan connector, since I’ve been suspecting that one of the pins in the connector would have been faulty or not properly inserted, thereby causing it to always run at 100%, but I could see no such thing. I disconnected and reconnected the fan and the issue remains.
My fear is that the replacement fan behaves the same and that the error is in the connector on the motherboard itself, in which case I’ll consider just disconnecting and removing the fan altogether in order to be able to use the laptop for office work and maybe some light gaming. I have no idea how/if more demanding gaming would work with GPU fan #2 removed altogether - will it throttle the GPU when temps rise or would I risk damaging it?
Anyway I’ll be sure to report my findings when the replacement fan arrives.

 

I started looking into undervolting and downloaded ThorttleStop. Also found out apparently turbo wasn't being activated all this time even though I have it plugged in and set to best performance, so I fixed that too.

Anyway, I have the CPU and CPU cache both set to -155.3mV, how do I tell the difference it's actually making? What's a good app to run to test before and after?

EDIT: I downloaded HWInfo and ran it while I played a game with ThrottleStop turned "on", then turned "off" ThrottleStop and closed it completely and started playing a game to compare peak temps, speeds, and voltages. Doesn't seem to be a difference in any of them, so are my changes not taking or something? I think they are because I went too far before and the laptop went into a boot loop and I had to delete the .ini file and start again.

 

Once you apply the undervolt it stays unless you restart the pc(sometimes until several restarts) if you do not have throttlestop auto scheduled or you could manually reset the undervolt or setup a throttle stop profile without the undervolt for easy switching.

I am not sure what change do the turn on and off option make but they do not effect the applied undervolt.

 

From what I read, turning it on and off only affects clockspeeds and stuff like that.

Either way, I see zero difference between ThrottleStop being set up and everything set back to default. Actually, if anything, it runs cooler with things back to default, though my clockspeed doesn't seem as high. I don't get it.

 

So, if my understanding is correct with Undervolt you are not getting better temps but higher clockspeed. If so this means the Undervolt is working.

Basically the laptop thermal management with stock Undervolt will decrease clockspeed (thermal throttle) it reaches 90C on any core to prevent high temps. This decreases performance and means that the temps would have gone above 90C if CPU was allowed to run at higher speed.

With Undervolt ur temps are actually lowered but u don't notice it as the clockspeeds don't lower so the CPU is able to sustain higher clockspeed with the same temp as stock.

I hope this helps you to understand.

The next step u can attempt to lower temp is repaste the laptop.

 

@dmemon might be able to get you a new motherboard if you go to India

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Haha.. sure.. if u can handle long wait, stupid reasons for ur problem, no replies to email and adding more paste to old paste when u ask Msi service centre to repaste..!