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the important question is when?

 

I was so exited from the GT-70 but after I saw the faults of the Keyboard...
I'm will move to Clevo, definitely.
(I wish to thank all guys who report this problem, also sorry for them...)

 

Got my GT60 recently but I am not sure why one of my SSD is running at 3Gb/s instead of 6Gb/s. I read a couple of pages back and realise that some other users also had the same issue.

 

Anyone else have trouble signing in to Games For Windows Live? I know it's a problem with Qualcomm Atheros Killer Network Manager (I uninstalled it and could log in to Marketplace, but then could only use a wireless connection as Windows couldn't find a driver for Ethernet)

Pretty annoying as some of my games I can't play as content is locked out due to not being able to sign in

 

can anyone with gt70 coupled with gtx670m tell me the heat reading they are getting at 99% load? when using furmark or occt?

 

Typically, when we run our Furmark tests the temps range between 90C-98C depending on ambient temps and thermal compound applied. This is after 10 minutes of testing.

 

One SATA connector runs at SATA III, one at SATA II. Swap locations of hard drive(s) if you want your SSD to get 6Gb speeds.


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omg 90-98c , is that normal? shouldnt it stay under 90c? wouldnt the gpu fry if you run it for a long time under those temps? also does the gt70 have bad cooling?

 

Thanks for the infomation. By any chance can I get it both to run at SATA III?

 

For Furmark test that is perfectly fine. Most laptops have a thermal shutdown of 110C. Your GPU will not fry at those temps, and again, this is ONLY while running Furmark.
Furmark is the hardest stress test that can be run on the GPU, so high temps are to be expected. This is NOT meant to represent the temperatures under normal work loads such as gaming.

The GT70 has a suitable cooling system in place. Please keep in mind that the people that design these laptops factor in a lot of things as they have, at a minimum, a Bachelor's degree in some form of engineering (electrical or electronic) for the most part. If there were any issues, it would likely result in some sort of a recall or halt in manufacturing (see Sager NP9270 or 7970M second batch for current events examples).

 

frankly i just went through an agonizing rma with a clevo and now im trying to pay more money to get a high quality product instead , i really like the gt70 design and speakers but is it a sturdy product ? , is there a high chance im going to face a defect? also what should be the normal temps with furmark 99% load test after couple of minutes with gt70 because im asking my dealer to send me a screenshot of furmark and gpu-z before shipping it out , if i face another rma with gt70 im going to shoot myself

 

What Clevo is about?
I want to buy Clevo because of the Keyboard issue in the MSI, so clould you give more details? As far as I read in the Clevo tread, the RMA in Clevo is very rare. (in relation to the keyboard issue...)

 

the rma is regarding the gpu overheating during full load "99%" to 97-96c

 

Ok, I finally solved this issue myself by looking on the Alienware forum.

The solution is to execute the "LPM FIX", that consist of 5 registry files. I executed them from the desktop, then switched off and on my laptop and now my SSD on Port 1 is running at 6 Gb/s!!!

Here you can find the registry files:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/att...ion-questions-troubleshooting-thread-port.zip

 

Confirmed,

Just ran the registry files and it is now reporting 6Gb/s.... Thank you very much I pretty much gave up on it.

 

You are welcome, I was about to give up also, i found it almost by accident.

 

I've OC'd the 670 in my GT60 to multiple speeds in excess of 780MHz (when you use the MSi Afterburner software, the Turbo button on the keyboard will use the speed you've set in Afterburner.) The default speed is 585 MHz up to 620 MHz when the Turbo button is activated. Even at 780 MHz the only time I hit 90+c is running continuous GPU stress test (i.e. Furmark.) At 720 MHz or below it never gets that hot.

For reference, I am in El Paso, TX, where the ambient temp indoors even with AC is approx. 78F.

 

Is there any possibility to make both port running at 6 Gb/s? Or only one port can run at that speed?

 

I think the real question is that did it actually make any performance difference.

Its like if I put a USB 2.0 flash drive in a USB 3.0 slot, if its not faster than USB 2.0 to start with then...

I did a LPM fix on my Intel SSD on the G73 and it has some very real differences on the SSD speeds but it also changes the system quite dramatically as far as power use & heat and a few other things so you should expose all the changes made and not just the benefits.

First thing that should have been done is testing for performance, rather than simply worrying about interface speeds.

The LPM issue was directly related to certain SSDs and chipsets, of witch the GT70 & GT60 is not one of them.

But because nobody will ever actually test this and will only toss theory craft around I will do the testing for you and prove my point.

Testing Complete:

AS SSD

Spoiler

Before Patch


After Patch

Crystal Disk Mark

Spoiler

Before Patch


After Patch

As you can see the benefit is extremely minimal, if a synthetic benchmark barely see's a difference you can forget about any real life performance differences.
And just like I figured all the negative effects like extra heat and strange cpu readings in the device manager still persist with this "fix"



Bottom Line:
Don't do this fix for the GT70 and GT60 there is no reason, and SATA 3GB/S is just as good as SATA 6GB/S for a SSD of this speed even 2 SSD in RAID 0 are not even close to compromising the available speed to SATA 3.

 

According to MSI website, the other disk slot is designed as SATA II, so I don't think the LPM Fix would do anything to it.
As vicious exposes, in case you are using a Raid 0 config there is almost no advantage on it. But if as me or as Grimmy311 you just want to use a SATA III SSD on the SATA III port, then when benchmarking you will see reading speeds double. Mine when from 270 to 500 MB/s after the fix.

 

Yeah that's correct pepepepe - the SATA port 1 is SATA2 by default for some reasons in the GT60/70 while both were SATA3 on the previous MSI generation.

ViciousXUSMC,
By looking at your benchmark, the port you're benching your SSD is already in SATA3 anyway - the fix wouldn't increase the speeds and you proved it.

I think loads of users including me can say that the port 1 is making our SATA3 SSD running much slower (even though that's still quick) because of SATA2 limitations and this fix allows the port 1 to run at SATA3 speeds (though I put my SSD in port 2 to enjoy full speed)

 

Thats the default GT70 layout, if somebody got after market SATA3 SSD's thats a totally different breed than the majority and a special case.

 

OK, I'm a little torn here.

In a few months, I'm looking to get a sexy gaming laptop to replace my VAIO F. I was initially looking at the MSI GT70 and planned on maxing it out to be future proof for a while. After going to Fry's and handling it for a bit, I got to have a look at the Alienware M17/18x models. Naturally, I find that there's never a perfect anything.

I love the keyboard on the GT70. It's responsive and I type very fast on it. It looks like a big, hot mess though. I can adapt to the new Windows key location, but hate that there are no media controls, except for volume. For someone who listens to a lot of music, having to stop what I'm doing to get to the mouse/touchpad in order to play/pause seems remarkably annoying.

Then I look at the AW models. Keyboard layout seems just right, but I can't stand scissor-switch keys. I'm a massage therapist and have VERY short nails at all times. All too often, my fingertips catch on the middle row of keys when traveling from the bottom row to top. Annoying, but I can practice to lift my fingers more. BUT... AW has dedicated media buttons, which make me very happy. They also have HDMI IN, but the touchpad is not multitouch and the buttons are a bit deeper/slower.

There are quite a few other pluses and minuses to each system, and then would I choose m17x or m18x? I'm not very portable, and can always get an ultrabook for mobility.

Decisions, argh!!!

 

Viscious,

This is untrue, as you can see in my previous posts with pictures I was getting SATA II speeds with my SATA III SSD plugged into port 1, which indeed has been confirmed to be SATA III.

I have reran AS SSD and I am getting the speeds I expect out of a SATA III device.

I am currently getting double to speed I had before the fix. While this may not enable users to have a RAID 0 setup with SSD drives, it does allow me to replace one WD Black 500GB with a SSD for my system drive.

 

a dealer is going to ship my msi gt70 today , what should i ask him to check before he ship it? wifi , sound? like what is the common issues with the msi gt70?

 

A "pew" sound may very well indicate a burst capacitor. That can happen with overheating a bum cap. Requires a mobo replacement. I recommend RMAing that sucker.

 

is turbo boost dangerous to use?

 

What? No!

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anyone have any idea why this happened and how often it happens?

 

I already took it back and had it replaced from the vendor with no issues. They are saying it's the second one they've had returned, but the first was for keyboard issues.

They were trying VERY HARD to get me to switch to the Asus 15" laptop, with the new gen video card. They said it's less heat. They think my laptop overheated.

Playing diablo on the new laptop I put afterburn on it, my temps maxed out were 77C for GPU and 60 for CPU, which is hot, but not TOO hot.

I think I just got a shoddily made motherboard and it was a fluke event. It was 100% bricked which I've never seen happen before, and I'm our offices "tech guy".

 

just great , the last gt70 the dealer had in stock which was going to be sent to me was showing bsod now i have to wait other 3 days , why laptops are so defective these days :S

 

If it's new then most likely the video card heatsink screws are not tighten.

If it's not a new laptop then could be the vents blocked and needs to be clean.

 

I'm not sure why you needed the registry fix if you are using the native SATA III port with your SSD. I haven't used the "fix" and my 256 GB M4 is getting in excess of 500MB/sec read speeds.


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I have a GT70 with a GeForce GTX 675M (2GB) with Windows 7 64-bit Professional (fresh install). No matter what I try, I can't get other NVIDIA drivers than the one provided on the CD (version 269.31) to install. Even MSI's website doesn't list suitable drivers, only for the GTX 670M. I am mainly interested in installing the 304.48 beta drivers and tried modding the inf-file, but to no avail. Here's what I did:

I downloaded the file "304.48-notebook-win7-winvista-64bit-international-beta.exe" from nvidia.com and extracted it with 7-Zip. Then I edited the file "Display.Driver\NVMI.inf" (for MSI devices) as follows:

; Windows 7 64-bit
[NVIDIA_SetA_Devices.NTamd64.6.1]
...
; NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580M
%NVIDIA_DEV.1211.10A9.1462% = Section031, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1211&SUBSYS_10A91462
; NVIDIA GeForce GTX 675M (new)
%NVIDIA_DEV.1212.10CB.1462% = Section028, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1212&SUBSYS_10CB1462
; NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670M
%NVIDIA_DEV.1213.10CB.1462% = Section028, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1213&SUBSYS_10CB1462
...

; Windows 8 64-bit
[NVIDIA_SetA_Devices.NTamd64.6.2]
...
; NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580M
%NVIDIA_DEV.1211.10A9.1462% = Section032, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1211&SUBSYS_10A91462
; NVIDIA GeForce GTX 675M (new)
%NVIDIA_DEV.1212.10CB.1462% = Section029, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1212&SUBSYS_10CB1462
; NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670M
%NVIDIA_DEV.1213.10CB.1462% = Section029, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1213&SUBSYS_10CB1462
...

[Strings]
...
NVIDIA_DEV.1211.10A9.1462 = "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580M"
; new
NVIDIA_DEV.1212.10CB.1462 = "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 675M"
NVIDIA_DEV.1213.10CB.1462 = "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670M"
...

If course I looked up the proper hardware ID string in the device manager:
PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_ 1212&SUBSYS_ 10CB1462&REV_A1

To install the driver I right-clicked on the corresponding entry in the device manager and chose "Update Driver Software...". After confirming the folder "Display.Driver" where the inf-files reside in, the resulting dialog just stated that the best driver is already installed. I tried different inf-files, renamed them, removed the other inf-files and also tried another driver version, but Windows never accepted it. The driver from the CD installed without problems using this installation method, though.

I've spent hours trying to get this to work. What could be wrong?

 

Install from the autorun menu from the drivers DVD, make sure install Intel Graphics driver first before install the nVidia driver otherwise it won't work.

 

The current Intel driver is installed (via Windows Update). It's also noteworthy that installing the (older) driver from the CD works (as I already stated). So the problem must be something else.

 

I finally got my GT60 back!

Apparently, after they have changed the motherboard, I can now perform my recovery and getting SATA3 without patching the windows registry.

But now, I have a SSD with 9.69GB of recovery partition and an addition of 10.77GB of recovery partition in my secondary drive. Which shall I delete?

 

I wasn't getting SATA III speeds though, no matter what drive I put in the notebook I would get SATA II performance and the Intel RST would report the drive running at 3GB/s.

 

Appears to be a newer version of Qualcomm on MSi's driver page.

http://www.msi.com/product/nb/GT60-0NC.html#/?div=Driver&os=Win7%2064

Hopefully sorts out the GFWL problem.

Yep, I can now log in to GFWL no problem.

 

Have you heard anything about the keyboard problem? Also have you ever tried to use this laptop in your lap?

 

Yes, I have heard it and read it but I do not experience this with my set.

And I don't use it on my lap, sorry.

 

Do you think it would overheat if set in my lap just for web browsing?

EDIT: just wondering because i see vents on the bottom

 

I have used mine for 2hours on a table, it is relatively cool, only slight warmth in my SSD (primary drive).

And your question is subjective, some people may be comfortable to use it on their laps, some don't. It is relatively heavy so I believe if you're using it to play games, you may get carried away so you wont bother about the discomfort. (Likewise for web-browsing)

 

Yea when gaming ill always have it on a table or cooling pad, but sometimes if i'm in front of the tv ill web brows in my lap and i just wont want it getting uncomfortable but thanks for the reply's, do you like yours?

 

Some new NVIDIA Verde Beta drivers v304.79 dated July 3

Drivers | GeForce

 

I was; even sleep button (Fn+F12) woke back from sleep after a minute or so. After trial and error determined the Intel(R) Turbo Boost Technology Monitor 2.5 was causing it to wake up. I turned it off an voila - no more staying in sleep mode issues.

 

Try this one, I didn't test it since I don't have a unit with GTX675M with me right now so it may or may not work:

http://gentechpcforums.com/Images/MSI/NVMI.inf

 

My inf-file looks exactly like yours with one exception: In line 796 your file has "Section029" while I think it should be "Section028" (copy & paste mistake perhaps?). I'm pretty sure I did everything correctly. I wonder if Optimus might have something to do with it. Are special drivers required for them to work properly on systems with Optimus?

 

Apart from managing my disk drive, yea, it's pretty decent (have yet to test it on gaming)

 

I found the solution to my problem:
How to get past “The best driver software for your device is already installed” in Windows 7