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Hi,
I'm new here. I was reading the thread (not all the 66 pages...) and I found that some people overclocked their display. I have some questions.

1/ Can I overclock the laptop display to 75hz without any risk? If I understand, it depends on the display I have?
2/ I would like to overclock the CPU, can I unlock the multiplier?
3/ The new nvidia drivers sucks... downgrading to 344 (I'll buy Svet's vbios to get rid of nvidia limitations)

I would like to slightly overclock the CPU/GPU to increase the framerate of my Oculus Rift, while I'm playing Elite Dangerous.

Thanks

 

Hi,
1/ Yep, you can. I think most GT72's panels can go up to 75Hz effortless
2/ you can increase the multiplier to a maximum of 37x - 36x - 35x - 35x, you cannot go further
3/ I downgraded to 344.75 too, I got Svet's vBios and my GPU freq are +165 / +512 ; increasing the core freq results in a unstable system

 

The multiplier you are talking about are for turbo mode. I don't know when this mode is active. I tried to change the reference clock but my system crashed (101 is maybe to high, or need to add some voltage)

Is it possible to overclock the clock with the modified vbios while you have the last nvidia drivers? Or you just need the vbios to go after +135 and the 344 drivers.

 

+165 is pretty good dude. being 16% faster than stock without having to do anything is pretty nice.
as far as OC on CPU remember to adjust the Cache Multiplier in addition to Core Multipliers.
beyond that your next best bet is a cooling pad, to keep the noise down and framerate up without too many drops.
the only other option to try and get more performance i can think of is to have SVET mod your GT72 BIOS to see if there are any CPU TDP related options in the bios which can help drive the CPU OC or make more options available in XTU. but i would be careful with these options and i would make sure you know where the bios battery is before you start this- so if you bios lock your rig you can reset bios via battery pull to get back to stock bios settings.
On this topic i actually have a question- i know there is an "EC reset" button on the outside of the gt72 case. is this same as setting bios to all defaults or is this something different ?

the new Killer suite is WAY better than the old because you dont have to install the suite and run the stupid service.
you can get "drivers only" for wifi and LAN by uncompressing the zip files and just drilling down into the folders. then use device manager to install just the driver. awesome.
in theory you can do same with bluetooth, , but i prefer to install the bluetooth using their installer, cause bluetooth is all hax in the first place and "drivers only" are usually not enough for BT to work right with all devices. good find WhatsThePoint

 

My problem gives the following event log details

Log Name: Application
Source: Application Error
Date: 10/02/2015 12:35:33
Event ID: 1000
Task Category: (100)
Level: Error
Keywords: Classic
User: N/A
Computer: PAULRYANLAPTOP
Description:
Faulting application name: Dragon Gaming Center.exe, version: 1.0.1410.1301, time stamp: 0x543b7e29
Faulting module name: KERNELBASE.dll, version: 6.3.9600.17415, time stamp: 0x54505737
Exception code: 0xe0434352
Fault offset: 0x0000000000008b9c

 

Sorry if this has been posted, I couldn't find it, but:

Nividia is indeed trying to prevent us from Overclocking our GPU's
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/no-more-overclocking-on-nvidia-mobile-gpus.771169/

figured I would spread the word more, or bump it if it was posted.

 

They even tried to force manufacturers to abide their policies known as green light program therefore no h/w hack were permitted, otherwise many of their GPUs can perform way much better than they are currently at.

 

So it's on techpowerup.

NVIDIA Disables GeForce GTX 900M Mobile GPU Overclocking with Driver Update
http://www.techpowerup.com/209820/n...bile-gpu-overclocking-with-driver-update.html

 

Changelog for the Killer drivers:

• Updated Killer Wireless-AC drivers for Win7/Win8.1 to 11.0.0.493
• Updated BT to latest 11ac BT .493
• Fixed issue where Wifi Manager would sometimes not draw correctly.
• Improved behavior of Bandwidth Control Settings (Network Page) being saved and persisting through system reboots.
• Fixed issue where Killer Ethernet link speed was incorrect on the Ethernet page in Killer Network Manager
• Changed behavior of "Wireless Signal" in Killer Network Manager Performance Page. This is now not selectable when Killer Wifi is not present/Enabled.
• Branding Updates in Installer, Program Files directory, ProgramData directory, Programs & Features entry.
• Fixed issue where Task Manager->Startup description was generated by InstallShield instead of properly showing Killer information.
• Fixed issue where Killer Network Manager would show a disconnected symbol over the Killer Ethernet Tile even when the Killer adapter had an established connection.
• Updated to latest K1202 Wireless Drivers

There is also a beta version on the MSI website for the 2QE. The last version on the Killer website is newer.

 

SteelSeries offers a new driver software for SteelSeries 2 who ever is interested
http://steelseries.com/support/downloads
Region: INT. Version: 2.9.2014.1. Released: 2014-10-13

 

I installed this version after Synology messed up my Steel Series drivers and it works perfectly.
I also installed the new Killer drivers today and it works pretty solid ! No problem so far.

 

so i guess no one else has the same problem with dragon Gaming centre

 

Have you tried reinstalling it or seeing if the newest version posted by MSI fixes the issue http://us.msi.com/support/nb/GT72-Dominator-Pro-GTX-980M.html#down-utility&Win8.1 64

 

I have done both

 

Anyone GT72 owner annoyed at the loss of OCing the 980m [...or any other 900m series laptop owner] should remember to review the laptop on the online stores and include this issue. I think the best course of "strategery" would be to recommend buyers stay away from the main brands [MSI, Alienware, MSI, Aorus, Gigabyte] and tell them to look for other models that are the least expensive. If the site allows you to suggest other brands, say Sager/Clevo. If they allow you to say price say "as low as $1700". If they don't, then just recommend they look for the cheapest options because the cooling is still "good-enough".

We don't need to make all the laptop makers hurt, just hurting most of them will do. It works for Metacritic and Steam reviews, high negatives hurt sales.

If you're unhappy, make the manufacturers and end-sellers unhappy too.

Divide & Conquer

...and now, my newegg review: [...yeah, I forgot about Gigabyte]

 

Has anyone had a problem with the brick power converter throwing power breakers?
I rome outlet to outlet with most tripping the breaker. Did I get a bad brick? My home is only 16 years old and I've not had this problem with any other appliance.

 

If as you say other devices are fine I would call your reseller and get the brick investigated, it could be unsafe.

 

The 1st thing I'd do is try a different power cable that goes from the wall outlet and plugs into the power adapter(brick).

 

Thanks, Mraker & WTP. My wife is on hold with Bestbuy right now.
Good idea to try a different power cord, but it still tripped the breaker.

 

I've never read anyone posting an issue like this before.

If the AC Adapter is not connected to the notebook nor plugged into the wall outlet > then plugged into the wall outlet without being connected to the notebook does it trip the breaker?

What is the amperage of the breaker?

What else is on that's using the same breaker?

 

Yes and I don't have to plug it into the notebook.
The brick reads input 100-240 32A output 19.5-11.8A as far whats using the same breaker that depends on which room. So far only one outlet works but I stopped looking when I found that one.

 

Such negative reviews are subject to removal by Newegg per TOS, and because these aren't advertised features by the manufacturers.
Besides, the issues aren't caused by the manufacturers but Nvidia, so why punish the manufacturers?

 

Cooling is most definitely an advertised feature of MSI's GT72. I chose a GT72 for the cooling with the mind to overclock. The GT72 even features a button to force the fans into high speed. It may not be MSI's fault with this sneaky four month after the launch announcement of the overclock block, but the lack of need for extra "efficient" [MSI's word, not mine] cooling in more expensive 980m equipped laptops [regardless of make or model] should be part of the knowledge a potential buyer should have when deciding what to purchase. The issues go hand-in-hand.

http://us.msi.com/product/nb/GT72-Dominator-Pro-GTX-980M.html#hero-overview

GT72 DOMINATOR PRO (GTX 980M)

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• Windows 8.1
• Desktop performance NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980M 8GB GDDR5 graphics
• Fully customizable SteelSeries keyboard, touchpad and front lights
• Incredible audio output with Dynaudio speakers and subwoofer
• Silent and efficient dual fan cooling
• MSI “Shift” adjustable performance technology
• Supports up to 4x M.2 SSD’s and a high capacity hard drive
• Supports up to 3 external displays
• Supports external 4K display via HDMI
• Easy-to-upgrade design
• Pre-loaded with XSplit Gamecaster streaming software

 

Sorry, I was referring to the comment about GPU overclocking because it was never an advertised feature.
The turbo cooling is meant to boost cooling capacity to prevent any unwanted slowdowns during gameplay, and can be possibly linked to a solution to the side effects of overclocking.

 

Can no one help with my problem?

 

I saw this:

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...aused-by/fb9a3d89-e862-4845-96bf-8c9742c478f8

Have a look to see if you can remove that update.

 

I'll try to

 

Didn't work

 

Look at the GPU history in my sig. See how long my last laptop lasted me? I only started to need to upgrade when the new consoles arrived and I stretched that out another year waiting for something new to replace the rebadges.

I've been overclocking laptops since my Toshiba SLi1 with the two 8600m GT sandwiching a single heatsink. The exhaust literally kept my coffee warm, but to this day that laptop and both the GPUs still work. I overclocked my 9800m GTS [600MHz stock] to 710MHz. The 5870 wasn't as good an OC'er, stock was 700/1000, could only do 800/1100 max, 750/1100 was my "light OC" and it was usually good enough @ 900p [native resolution].

So I've been OCing laptop GPUs for quite a while and waiting with patience for the new stuff. I was strongly leaning towards the NP8652 in December, I was going to go barebones and the price was $1685. I had a bit more money from Christmas than I expected and the GT72 was $2k at my local microcenter. Because of the sale of $300 off [...you think I'm mad now, imagine if I had spent full price ...but that wouldn't of happened anyway] and added cooling ability and maybe the override on Optimus [...the optical drive is of no interest to me], I went with the GT72. I expected that I could OC with the NP8652, so that just carried over in spades due to the GT72's cooling. Every time I was looking at the 980m clocks in the specs, I took that +135 into account. I want to keep my hardware as long as possible, so I don't need to hear that my performance ceiling has been cut six weeks after I spend just shy of $2200. Yet now that +135 is gone and so is my need for the better cooling ...as is everyone else's. So I say as much in the reviews, that price is really the only important difference to consider now. There are very few good reasons to spend more than $2k for a single 980m equipped laptop after Nvidia's move. They'll all have pretty much the same performance anyway.

 

Any news on the overclockblock and (v)bios flashing yet?

 

First of all guys msi never advertised OVERCLOCKING with GT2 at least I didn't see any mention ov it when I was researching about which machine to buy. What msi offered was SHIFT technology however this by no means is overclocking and is still working , 3 settings GREEN , COMFORT and PERFORMANCE is just a way how the power consumption related to performance will be distributed and I find it very useful . Even in performance mode the 980 was on maximum stock speed not over.
I'm not using OC but for all of you who need it I hope they will bring it back ..so who ever wants to use it its on his own will and doing .

 

Here's more info about MSI SHIFT which is only applicable to certain models.
http://dragonarmy.msi.com/home/info/labs/detail/309

 

Unless the sports mode overrides nvidia blocking of overclocking, there's no difference between comfort and sport mode now , and further no reason for coolerboost to even be needed.

 

Some people just don't care to listen or read anything once their mind's made up.

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk

 

You guys are right and frustration justified regarding Nvidia\s decision to block OC feature in 980M .
Flowing all this I decided to do some detail testing to get on the bottom with this and how much OC impacts already powerful machines.
For this test I chose to set the drivers to PERFORMANCE MODE and tested all 3 SHIFT modes , I monitored on my G-13 display via Afterburner which I later used for OC .
Used 3D mark and compared only FIRESTORM test as it appears most demanding

Room temp : 26.5
Laptop on good vented position on a high stand

drivers : 347.52 Nvidia vs 344.24 msi
I chose to test with the latest available from msi to see the differences

first of all I was shocked and disappointed how new Nvida drivers poorly perform against older ones and that significantly.

Having msi afterburner and real time monitoring I saw quite some differences between this two drivers.

TEST MODE :SHIFT PERFORMANCE:

3474.52 344.24

2D GPU-1037 135
3D GPU-1126 1126 changing to lower rates
mem: 2506 3D-2506;2D324
no change locked dynamically changed

TMP:50-71 no TurboCooling 47-72 no TC

3D mark FIRESTORM
7886 8440
Gscore:8935 9711
PSY:10791 10664
combo:3454 3679
better then 83% better then 83%

TEST MODE :SHIFT COMFORT

2DGPU-975
3DGPU-1126
MEM: 2056 no change locked


6661 7268
Gscore :7548 8134
PSY:10664 10737
combo3679 3184
better then 69%

IT is obvious that the NEW drives under same circumstances are much slower then the old one

TEST MODE :SHIFT PERFROMACE > AFTERBURNER OC driver 344.24 msi

+105 GPU +115 mem +123GPU + 123 mem +135GPU + 165MEM

GPU3D- 1231 1264 1264 ??? don't know why
MEM3D -2630 2633 2662
TMP - 50 - 72 no TC 52-72 no TC 45-65 Turbo Cooling ON

3D mark FIRESTORM

8918 8975 9017
Gscore-10318 10418 10450
PSY - 10678 10667 10673
combo -3938 3941 3989
better then 89% 89% 89%

so yes there is a lot of potential in GTX980M and no reason why they should disable the OC feature,atleast in GT72 there is absolutely no thermal danger or other as there wasn't a slightest glitch during the test .

However SHIFT doesn't OC the card not even 10% it goes maximum stock BOOST speed however it behaves differently, with older drivers while it throttle the GFX with new drivers GPU/MEME are constant and scoring much lower scores in 3D Mark Firestorm then the old one . So it appears that old drivers perform better on stock speed + gives you ability to additional OC the card while the new one have lower performance and no OC still you get MFAA .

Nvida made a very bad call I hope they get to their sense and bring back the OC feature.

 

Hopefully AMD release something good and give them a kick up the pants

 

Hopefully amd make something better than the nvidia counterparts, and msi also puts it into a form compatible with the msi gt72/gt80

 

They have not been against putting amd cards in their machine so hopefully

 

Hey does anyone have a clue about where to get a new silicon keyboard cover in the UK?

 

Such http://www.amazon.de/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?__mk_de_DE=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=silicon keyboard cover for example?

I don´t think there´s any out yet for the steel series from newer MSI books. What´s the benefit from such a cover ? So for me i see no hard reason for that it looks little freaky

Edit: i found what on ebay claims GT72 http://www.ebay.com/itm/TPU-Keyboar...GS60-GS70-Ghost-Gaming-Notebook-/271641287773 price rocks but seems need 4+ weeks to arrive from Shenzen in any other country

Edit²: cannot order it Shipping oes not ship to Germany

Edit³: http://www.ebay.com/itm/TPU-Keyboar...113?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35e58d20c1

I´m really looking forward that AMD will release in 1 Year or something a matching MXM Card for GT72/80 too, but also i´m in hope the 970M 6GB will perform a little while and think 1080p will not be a issue for the card in near future

aVa

 

AAnnnnd overclocked is back!!! NVidia said the next driver will let us overclock again!!

 

My gt72 already had an MSI branded keyboard cover in the package. I'm just looking to buy a 2nd one as the silicon above some specific keys (mainly shift and WASD) has started to stretch.

The benefit is that you keep your keyboard grease and dirt free and when you want to clean it you just pull it off and wash it! It also doesn't affect typing almost at all! For me at least, there is no issue.

 

Hi, cool can you provide an source ?

@ DimitrisDSC ah ok cool, so i never had such kind of product in the past but i guess i´ll give it a try, so sometimes it´s nice if you can eat (with hands, like pizza ) and did not waste the keyboard

aVa

 

Yes it helps. If there's one thing I really dislike about the GT72 is the fact that it's a fingerprint magnet...

 

https://forums.geforce.com/default/...king-with-347-09-347-25/post/4466443/#4466443

 

I cannot agree with this enough, the beautiful design of it makes it all that much more annoying when you see that one obscure fingerprint on either the A panel or on the keyboard area/wristrest area. >_<

 

You can upgrade the CPU in the GT72? this model breaks easily ?, because I live where I live the warranty will not cover the event of malfunction

 

I´m aware of that the CPU 4xxx MQ you can change or upgrade, 4xxx HQ is soldered to the mainboard and you cannot change (easily, i guess a private person cannot change an HQ)

I guess that does not really matter as there´s still an Quadcore i7 on the board, the improvement to the "largest i7 available for this socket" will not be so high that there´s any benefit for it that games will work percentual much better (or in other words, if the 4710 is end of life and the bottleneck for any games, the largest i4xxxx mobile haswell processor won´t fix this, in relation to the rest of the system and the pricing).

For me the reason for the GT72 was the GPU upgrade possibility as the GPU will "bottleneck" earlier than the CPU will do (in almost cases).

Edit²: check with your retailer or seller for the availability if you can change memory or m2 SSD or HDD or GPU as the GT72 will allow that, it would be nice if he let you do this (if you aware of doing such things) i guess thats not a big deal and press thumbs he will agree ^^

aVa

 

No GT72 model will allow the upgrade of the CPU as they are attached to the motherboard.