The Official MSI GT73VR Owners and Discussions Lounge

I left off the "Extreme", and at first just used "Phobya", it gets a lot more hits that way.

Old search trick - defocus and refocus to find some hits then hone in on the search.

 

Hey!
Has anyone figured out a way yet to stabilize GPU Core Clock without loosing performance?
Just asking because I have set up my GT73VR 7RF and there are some games where I can see some minor hiccups (no big deal, I only noticed them too because I compared them side by side with my desktop PC)
I am guessing those hiccupps are because the laptop panel is either not as good with frame transactions as my desktop G-Sync monitor OR because the GPU clock is jumping around more frequently and with a larger amount in the background with the mobile GTX 1080 than with the desktop one. Good example is Fire Strike. Mobile GTX 1080 may loose even 150 Mhz for a millisecond during the test run and go to around 1750 Mhz when the PWR requirement by the software exceeds the card's PWR limit, while my desktop GTX 1080 is only "loosing" 20-40 mhz and thus even the Fire Strike test looks a bit smoother due to higher PWR limit. Really need to get that PWR limit removed somehow from the vBIOS. The mobile GTX 1080 is like the Founder's Edition desktop GTX 1080...gpu core clock is all over the place due to low PWR limit.

 

Is there a #2 pencil mod you can do (like the "Shunt" mod done with liquid metal on the OCN forums in the Nvidia section) to do something about that power limit on 1070 and 1080 cards? Even a 25W increase would be nice to have.

 

Anyone know the power draw of the 1070 in the GT73VR? I'm already hating the dual 240W bricks without even traveling with them. Those stupid fused connector ends are a mess!

So I'm thinking of picking up a 330W adapter and underclocking and undervolting my SLI 1070s and I want to know if I can get by with an OEM (Delta) 330W adapter that comes with the 1080 version.

I figure that since a single 240W brick can power a single 1070 and an unlocked 6820HK (like that overheating ROG I had), then I could probably get away with a 330W brick with the aforementioned underclocking and undervolting. I could even undervolt the CPU, but I don't think that will change the wattage all that much (stock is about 1.15V @ 4.2GHz).

 

Possibly at around 90~100W.

 

I just bought a MSI GT73VR Titan, it has 2 NVMe slots and a M.2 slot. So I was thinking I will get atleast one SSD to be used as boot drive.

I will be using it for OS and all other programs like Visual Studio etc, web browsing and maybe 1 or 2 game (Rest go into the HDD).

I was thinking of getting a 250GB Samsung 960 EVO but after watching some reviews I could not see any real life improvements other than synthetic benchmarks so I am thinking of getting 850 EVO M.2 2280 500GB or maybe crucial MX300 500GB

What do you guys think I should get, do I have any use of NVMe?

 

I've updated the ec firmware and bios
Is there something wrong with cpu, when i do benchmark with dragon center and set to maximal cpu frequency
keyboard part does not experience excessive heat.
But the temperature sensor shows excessive heat up to 17% cpu throttling detected

 

At the time i use real temp the temperature reaches 100-c
Is there something wrong?
But the laptop body does not experience excessive heat.
Like when playing games
When I do benchmark body laptop does not experience heat

 

I do not change anything in the bios. How do i change icc max
When I do benchmark cpu does not always show 4.2ghz
Sometimes 3.6 ghz - 3.9 ghz
When I have set to the maximum in the dragon center> turbo mode I set to the maximum

 

So I've narrowed down as to what keyboard I'm going to buy. Anybody can help me what to pick among these?

1) Ducky Shine 6
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2028

2) Topre Realforce RGB (Is this really worth it for it's price?)
https://www.amazon.com/Realforce-a1...&qid=1484187185&sr=8-1&keywords=realforce+rgb

3) IKBC MF-108 RGB
http://www.ebay.com/itm/iKBC-MF108-...-Keyboard-with-Cherry-MX-Switch-/272585130970

Now, I've decided that I'll buy an independent wrist rest that won't move while I'll game. As I've researched further, these are the ones I found to be really great among MKBs (even though they don't have macro keys, they'll have to do). Ducky shine 6 has ABS double shot key caps but the Topre Realforce and IKBC MF-108 both have a better PBT caps. Any feedback will be much appreciated.

 

Have you thought about downsizing the keyboard from a full sized?



MK Disco TKL RGB Backlit Mechanical Keyboard (KBT Blue)
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1541

More models:
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/sho...Y&s[match]=all&s[cid]=0&s[search]=disco+ducky

Here is the complete Ducky mechanical lineup in reverse order of price, lowest to highest:
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_list&c=111&sortby=price:asc

 

1) you're running 4.2 ghz on all cores without an undervolt. AND using a stress tester. This IS going to cause overheat. Every time. Don't do this, especially without manual 100% fan speed
2) You are not going to overheat in games at 4.2 ghz. You aren't running games. You're running a stress tester. Games don't pull 55W of power.
3) Set the fan speed to 100% with the coolerboost button. That should help the temps. You should be using that when overclocking.
4) You don't see "ICCMAX" (VR Current Limit, it's the same thing) right in the screenshot you posted? The screenshot shows ICCMax without a custom value. The help tool on the right tells you to set that to 400 for 100 amps. That will prevent TDP throttling. But you need to deal with your temperatures first.
5) For 4.2 ghz, try undervolting both the CPU cache and CPU core by 100mv offset (-100). You can't do that in the BIOS, because you can't set a negative offset. Throttlestop 8.48 can do that for you. You can also do that in Intel XTU, but XTU is known to revert back to defaults randomly. Most of us suggest just using Throttlestop and creating a profile. It's also HIGHLY recommended you uninstall Dragon Center. Everything in Dragon Center can be done using throttlestop instead (even Intel XTU), except dealing with custom fan curves. And I think there is another program you can use for the fans.

 

Can you recommend more TKL MKBs like the Ducky One TKL RGB? I'm considering buying these and just buy separate numpad keys. Thanks bud!

 

Here is the complete Ducky mechanical lineup in reverse order of price, lowest to highest:
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_list&c=111&sortby=price:asc

I don't have one, but considered it way back when it was introduced a year ago, and suggested Clevo integrate a form of it into their laptops:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...unge-phoenix-3-0.800081/page-14#post-10434105

I am more often off the desk using a wireless keyboard - the Logitech K400r, and have worn through several of them and need to look for another wireless keyboard.

It's probably time I start looking again at wireless mechanical keyboards, and I would be looking for a minimal footprint model.

I have bunch of full sized keyboards that don't get much use, the ones I graviate toward are the cut down slim models, even on the desktop.

The full sized keyboards get in the way, and push the mouse too far off sides, so I like the cut down models better, same for the Mac keyboards I need to use.

Let us know how you like what you get, maybe order a few and see how they are in person, that's what I do

 

Any help on this please

 

Thank you so much for your help. I will try it

 

My experience ssd nvme is much faster in comparison with ssd m2 sata 3. Even before i get gt73vr with ssd nvme toshiba with os attached. After i replace it with ssd 960. Differences and work improvements are felt much faster.
It is between nvme with nvme.
When comparing sata 3 with nvme the difference is far enough
But if you only need space than speed or waiting time.
Maybe m2 ssd sata 3 can be an option
Than if you are using a very slow hdd

 

Is there any difference gt73 with gt75 ?
In addition to the keyboard and the addition of 1 heatpipes(11) on gt75vr

 

All depends on your use. Buy the fastest and biggest ssd you can afford. Regardless... You will always lack enough storage. A small faster ssd is a waste!!

 

The quick answer is you need to have a pretty intensive IO application that does sustained storage transfer - it makes up the bulk of processing - to reap the full benefit's of an M.2 PCIE x4 NVME SSD over an M.2 SATA SSD.

The improvement from HDD to SSD was about a 14x speed up (40MB/sec to 550MB/sec, give or take), and it was cutting out the sweet spot of "wall time", actual time elapsed experienced by the user. So it was very noticeable.

Now, from 550MB/sec to 1.5GB/sec-2.5GB/sec you only see a 3-4x speed up, and since the wall time has already been sliced down to perceptible size, that reducing in the remaining elapsed time is much smaller.

For example a long running 28 second HDD task might take 2 seconds on SSD and under a second on an M.2 PCIE x4 NVME SSD.

And, that's a relatively long running task. But, most tasks use a very small percentage of wall time for IO, say 1 second on HDD would be 1/14 second on SATA SSD, and so there isn't much time left to slice off the wall time - it's not really noticeable.

So, unless you have an IO intensive application - few people do and they already know that they would benefit from as fast IO as they can get - a nice solid M.2 SATA SSD will do fine.

I think it's better to invest the $ into more capacity than more speed

 

I am only saying the speed comparison based on few videos I saw on youtube which showed not such a significant difference in speed when both were compared in real world cases like turn off or program startup etc of course file transfer is much faster in the NVMe

I am getting 960 EVO 250GB for $210 and for the same price I am getting 850 EVO 500GB or Crucial MX300 500GB. So naturally I am more confused

 

I will be using the system for development as well mostly on visual studio running Azure Service Fabric clusters not sure how real benefit will I get in using the NVMe drive.

What M.2 SATA SSD would you suggest I should get?

 

That's the rough rule of thumb, get 2x more M.2 storage for the price of 1x M.2 PCIE x4 NVME.

You can find sales for either that can change that 2x ratio, but overall it's held true for quite a while. For a while you could get 3x-4x better price / size for M.2, but then they figured out people were still buying them instead of M.2 PCIE x4 drives, and raised the prices.

M.2 NVME prices have dropped a little, much poorer performing (in writes) PCIE x4 drives have been released to compete in price, but are slower in Writes than M.2 SATA drives.

As you've seen you can get 512GB M.2 SATA SSD's for the price of the 256 M.2 PCIE x4 NVME drives, and I'd recommend bumping up each M.2 socket to 1TB - which is very pricey with M.2 PCIE x4 vs M.2 SATA:

Crucial 1TB MX300 SATA M.2 - $289 (B&H)

Samsung 1TB 960 EVO NVMe M.2 - $479 => $190 more!! (B&H)

Crucial MX300 1TB M.2 - $297 (newegg)

SAMSUNG 960 PRO M.2 1TB - $629 (newegg)
=> 2.1x as much @ $322 more!!

 

Small
Ssd's like 250 Gig will be thrown in your bin or drawer before time. Buy capacity!!

 

so wait @Phoenix @hmscott

should I Just cancel my gt73vr outright lol?

 

Here are the comparisons I've gone back and added to my last post to you:

Crucial 1TB MX300 SATA M.2 - $289 (B&H)

Samsung 1TB 960 EVO NVMe M.2 - $479 => $190 more!! (B&H)

Crucial MX300 1TB M.2 - $297 (newegg)

SAMSUNG 960 PRO M.2 1TB - $629 (newegg)
=> 2.1x as much @ $322 more!!

I've had good luck with the Samsung Evo 850, the Crucial/Micro MX200 -> MX300 has gotten good reports as well. These are my primary choices for a consumer laptop M.2 SATA drive - then look for a good sale price.

The Transcends are overpriced, the Intel / WD underperform, Kingstons and SanDisk are good but I see them on offer less often.

If you are doing lots of compiles, depending on your builds, caching will get everything in memory and the initial loads will be averaged into the total run time.

But, if you have loads of continuous disk IO in any application, and they run a long time, you can benefit from faster storage.

Unfortunately it's one of those things you'd really need to test and quantify yourself with your builds and your workflow. If you can quantify enough benefit to justify the additional expense - you'll earn it back by being able to complete more work in the same time, then it would be worth getting the fastest IO available, no sense saving $'s in that case - but I believe that's less than 1% of consumer laptop buyers.

When I am optimizing a workflow for tasks done on lots of servers, so I am spec'ing once and they are purchasing thousands of units over many years at times, it's worthwhile getting a number of competing products in house, servers, networks, storage options, and even memory tuning can make big differences that multiply perhaps millions of times over the lifetime of a service.

But, with a single consumer laptop, when we are all multitasking, I don't see the need to spend twice as much for storage just to shave a few seconds off copies, boot times, or load times.

Taking the 1TB 960 Pro vs the Crucial MX300 1TB, how can one justify spending $600 for $300 worth to storage space?

 

I've been busy finding info, not digesting it, but I'd wait and read up on it for yourself.

Now's that perfect time to get stung buying the previous generation laptop as the next generation roles out

 

but I wonder when it will release


if the "improvement" is only on the screen and keyboard, I don't think it's worth the premium price of being an early adopter of GT75...

 

You gotta dig into the specs, the motherboard chipset, ports, sockets for M.2 / 2.5" / Optane storage, audio, networking, wireless, features, etc etc etc.

A full comparison won't really be possible until someone has them in hand side by side and can run games, apps, benchmarks on them both.

Newer isn't always better, if you recall the previous generation GT72 was neutered as the GT72VR, so compare carefully

 

hmm

you make me want to cancel lol

 

At least put it on hold... give yourself some time to discover all the details about the GT75...I'll speak up when I know more - if I find any gotcha's that prompt me to suggest getting a GT73VR before they run out

 

GT75 VR

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/msi-gt75vr-titan

" Aside from the keyboard, though, the MSI GT75VR Titan looks almost identical to the GT73VR Titan. The only real stand-out difference between the two models – aside from the keyboard – is the new 'pleather' palm rest that has a peculiar diamond-shaped cut around the offset arrow keys. "

 

The comment that worried me from that review:

"After the announcement of Max-Q, it’s hard to consider a traditional desktop replacement when the Asus ROG Zephyrus and Acer Predator Triton 700 could offer the same experience in much more compact packages."

Of course those Max-Q laptops won't have enough cooling or power to compare to the GT75VR performance results, but comments like that shows people aren't thinking things through... again.

https://www.cnet.com/products/msi-gt75vr-titan/preview/

"It's what we call a big unit, though. Don't think for a second that that cooling system, speaker array, full keyboard and GPU fit inside something slim. You could charitably be impressed with how compact all those things are, but that doesn't make it small. Nor does it do much about the usual black and red insectoid angles that seem to grace anything marketed at gamers.
That said, you won't be studying the chassis. Your eyes will be glued to the super bright display with the obscenely fast 3ms/120Hz refresh rate and the customisable RGB keyboard (which seems standard on gaming keys these days). The mechanical keys responded well to some hurried on-the-show-floor mashing, and the RGB is programmable to individual keys, which is nice to see.

What really impressed was the cooling system. It packs in more heating vents than any other gaming laptop has managed before with four points of ventilation keeps core temps down, which in turn means that your performance won't suffer. Based on the quick demos, it was crushing graphics performance benchmarks. So be cool, Soda Pop.

There wasn't much on price yet, but if you're looking at that spec sheet and wincing, you're probably right."

 

@ me when you find something lol

but the keyboard layout change is much welcome!

 

The only gotcha I see so far, and it's likely just due to being early and not enough complete info being available - they only mention 2 M.2 slots...not 3 M.2 slots as in the GT73VR...

The GT75VR mechanical keyboard was originally mentioned as being in the GT73VR, I hope MSI actually includes the mechanical keyboard in the production GT75VR and follows through on shipping it this time

 

even more cost savings?

sheesh

but what if the 3rd one is specifically for optane? so they omit the third m.2 even if it's there?



we need someone to go there and disassemble lol

 

Yup, we need internal shots to verify the specs listed, or not listed.

The Optane slot may not be considered mention as an M.2 slot, even though it is one - Intel probably requests it not be mentioned as usable for another M.2 storage device.

 

but the km1 optane can be used for normal nvme, doesn't work with sata though

 

Yeah, but Intel wants one of their Optane modules in there, not an SSD

 

But hey, What Optane options offer Intel now for laptops? Use up one of your valuable M.2 slot for boosting your slow 500GB or 1TB Hdd. Nice

 

for now that's the only purpose of optane


maybe in the future there would be more

 

What's the question here? I'm lost d00d

 

order still being processed, I don't have the laptop yet

I can cancel and wait for the gt75vr if that is any better

 

ohh that's what I was asking as to why? did I sleep for 2 years and just wake up? never knew there was a GT75VR. and who ate the GT74VR?

 

naming convention sure are weird nowadays

 

I just checked it: http://www.techradar.com/news/the-msi-gt75vr-titan-looks-like-the-ultimate-desktop-replacement

has a nicer keyboard with the Windows key on the left (at last, like normal keyboards), but has one less m.2 slot with only 2 available rather than 3 like in the GT73VR Titan Pro, same CPU 7820HK so nothing tempting other than the better keyboard, even has the same screens it seems

 

not bad at all

 

Have we any pics of the inside?

 

Hi! Could someone pm me with the instructions to unlock the hidden bios? Thank you!

 

pm svet and pay him on msi forum