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Ok pre. Yup pag 1080 umiinit talaga unlike sa 1070. I've played TW3 in Ultra Settings With HBAO+ that's why it went to that temp. Try mo na ung -50mv pag di pa rin pwede, akyat ka to -45mv by 5 ang akyat. Don't be afraid of errors pre, it's normal when finding the most stable OC settings your laptop can achieve.

 

Control F curves? its adjustable now in my afterburner, i searched some guide to be able to adjust it, i can go +100 but i dont know what it does.

 

Kaya! I'm on 40x on all 4 of my active core multipliers then -50mv, didnt restart compared to last time that i tried 42x then -100mv then had an error lol i didnt know that was for 7820hk.

 

Most people notice LESS stuttering with the 8A Bios compared to the stock Bios, because having clocks going all around 2000 mhz randomly changes the FPS and changing FPS and load=stuttering possibilities. Yes if you overclock by +225 mhz the boost clock is 1868 mhz if you knwo you are stable there. But in high load situations the clock will drop lower as the temp rises due to power limit.

 

Changing to a 330W PSU won't remove power limits from the GTX 1070. That's in the vbios. Some people on a chinese forum already removed the power limits by modding the Vbios, but you have to re-compile it and then flash it with a hardware flasher (like one of those i2c flashers or Rt809f or other devices), which requires desoldering the Bios chip and flashing it. NVflash won't flash it. 330W PSU may improve situations where both the CPU and GPU are heavily loaded. 7820HK @ stock volts at 4.4 ghz won't exceed 230W looping Firestrike Combined Test or any -real- application (prime95 and furmark are NOT real applications), but the 230W PSU will get very hot after looping for hours. A 330W will run cooler if you like things that don't run hot. Now you will exceed 230W if you're overvolting at 4.7 ghz and you're going to need a 330W PSU if you're loading the GPU at 100% too.

 

Once you set the clocks you can turn off the program and it'll stick. Once you restart it will go back to stock. If you put set clocks on boot/at start up then it will add the clocks once you hit windows.

You can control the F curves but that's up to you if you want to do it manually.

Nope, I've tested a bunch of vBIOS including the latest and the .8A feels the most stable imo because its consistent at the 1640-50MHz range and for the games I play I don't need to overclock that high. Since I stream games on the side I like to keep my temps reasonable.

 

Plus I dont know what Hogodra is so worked up about.
The ONLY problem with the old revision GTX 1070 cards is it wont AUTO overclock without crashing. But it works fine within the boost clocks. If it's crashing within normal boost clocks, you RMA it.

So WHY would you want it to AUTO OVERCLOCK? Why?
Auto overclocking makes sense on a GTX 1080 when trying to push 1440p or 4k, but ONLY ON A DESKTOP. On a laptop you are going to run into TDP issues in any game that could actually BENEFIT from auto overclocking (Unless you recompile and flash the Vbios with a hardware tool). So why not just set the clocks manually anyway?

Auto overclocking past boost clocks only matter for LOW LOAD situations where you care about BENCHMARK scores. I already checked. It's useless. In Valley benchmark, the card auto overclocks to 1900+ mhz when the GPU load drops below 100% due to CPU limitations. Well if the CPU is limiting you, how is auto overclocking going to help? Maybe if you're using Supersampling AA or DSR, but getting 300 FPS in an extremely low load situation, or getting 80 FPS and being CPU limited and the card jumping to 2000 mhz on a laptop is not doing anything for you.

I compared benchmark runs on the 8A Bios in Valley, and the Stock Bios. The scores were within the margin of error, like less than 100 points difference. And you don't want a GTX 1070 boosting to 2000 mhz in DOTA2. Why ? So you can get 400 fps and see "Voltage reliability" being spammed in GPU-Z? (on a stable card). What's the point in that? Benchmark scores. You need a higher power limit to benefit from this on laptops because in anything semi recent, you're going to be at boost clocks or throttled. Just use the 8A Bios, have fun, and enjoy life. This complaining has gone on long enough. that's why no one is bothering to reply much anymore, except several newer posters. Very few of the regulars are replying because they already know what to do.

 

Yes pare, 6820hk can't handle an undervolt 4.2Ghz OC, maybe overvolt. I OC mine to 4.1Ghz with -25mv and 4.2Ghz with Overvolt of 20mv but the difference in performance was very little whereas the OC from 4Ghz to 4.1Ghz had a much greater increase in performance. I don't know if it's because of the 4.2Ghz's need of an overvolt instead of an undervolt made it perform less. But what I do know is that the performance bump from 4 to 4.1Ghz is much more noticeable than 4.1 to 4.2Ghz (even in games). I played TW3 with a 4.1Ghz OC and compared it with a 4Ghz OC and the fps count rose by 10 but resulted to much hotter CPU and GPU (which was understable; maybe 3-5 degrees higher). But when I played with a 4.2Ghz OC, the fps count didn't even increase (4.3-4.4 Ghz OC might have much more noticeable results). I tried it in Wildlands, AC syndicate and Far Cry Primal and the results were pretty much the same with 4.2Ghz OC having no fps count difference from a 4.1Ghz and the increase from 4Ghz to 4.1Ghz was really noticeable (3-5 fps). Try playing CPU demanding games with 4, 4.1 and 4.2Ghz OC pre and compare the results. Sabihan mo ko sa results mo para macompare ko sa akin. Use XTU or Throttlestop to OC to 4.2Ghz in a 6820hk and overvolt it starting with 20mv pre. But don't do it too much because it might damage the CPU due to overclocking. Overvolting does much more stress to the CPU than undervolting. Happy testing pre!

 

My replacement laptop (GT73VR sli 1070 s/n beginning with K1610N), now that I'm not consistently experiencing no video out issues since I've updated to the latest OFFICIAL VBIOS, is shutting itself off and restarting while playing games or running benchmarks.

3DMark's Timespy - at the end right as it was going to give a score, power off restart.

Fallout 4 - 5 minutes into gameplay, primary GPU about 1950MHz and the secondary at 1150MHz (sli enabled), power off restart.

I'm confident that it will do the same thing in other games such as Skyrim.

If those jokers at MSI think that limiting GPU clock speed is a "fix," they are mistaken - I'm reporting them to the Better Business Bureau for defrauding customers - doubly so because 2017 models do not appear affected.

 

Wow! Salamat sa info! Ill try this out soon! Sige bro Ill let you know, salamat sobrang naappreciate ko to

 

Well, my brand new, replacement 2016 GT73VR SLI 1070 version has 480 watts of power available and only uses 295 to 320 watts on average - lots of extra power available yet it still shuts off and restarts while gaming and benchmarking.

No wonder Newegg offered a $400 rebate on this piece of ****.

Also, I understand where you are coming from in your "just underclock it and it will work" mentality. However, I didn't buy a laptop only to have it restart unless it's crippled.

 

Why don't you send it in for RMA to get fixed instead of complaining here?

You should be working with MSI to get it repaired, or get it returned to the dealer if you still can for a full refund, then get something else.

There are lots of people with this laptop that don't have this problem, so there is something wrong with your's, get it fixed

The $400 off is likely so they can clear out old inventory, the GT73VR models are being replaced with the new GT75VR series.

 

RMA to Newegg started, however I cut the UPC label off of the box for that rebate, sent it in the morning that this started happening - so the replacement will likely be denied.

I won't work with MSI on this as it's a matter of principle (their fix isn't a fix, and it will cost around $100 in shipping for them to just flash a VBIOS??????) - and I won't be buying another just like I stopped buying Alienware after Dell ****ed over folks with the M18X R2 laptops when their EDID info was overwritten (got me 3 times and out of warranty).

 

If MSI has fix and it is as simple as a firmware upgrade, then do it.

If it costs you $100 to get a working laptop then absorb the added cost.

When you buy a cutting edge laptop, it's all part of the game.

Getting all bent out of shape over it is denying yourself the joy of a working laptop, try to work through those feelings and make it happen

 

Apparently my principles differ wildly from yours. I'm not paying $100 to a company for them to gimp my expensive paperweight. I'll try it myself first, then RMA the POS for the third time to Newegg and request a different model.

 

Yeah, I can tell you are angry at the inconvenience, and yes my POV is likely way different than the average computer buyer.

For me inconvenient vendor computer problems are exactly what I deal with all day every day for 30+ years, so to me getting all bent out of shape at a simple firmware update seems extremely overly reactive.

Inconveniences can delay you, or defeat you - if you let them get to you - let it roll off your back like rain and move on with a working laptop.

Would it be nicer if MSI paid for your laptop's return? Yes, and some vendors used to do that, you could ask for a return box to be shipped to you and they would do that.

The warranty now states you need to get the laptop to them to get it fixed. If you could drive over and drop it off (which I've done for other vendors) you could save the $100 shipping. Are you close to an MSI repair depot?

Principles are fine and all, but don't let their failings defeat your goals.

If you can get your $ back, at least you can get the newer GT75VR

 

Um....what ? i never commented or said anything about your system, nor did I tell you to underclock...

 

The "fix" Chinese VBIOS underclocks the card, and you spoke of the 1070 hitting limits.

You didn't address my machine, I addressed your thoughts on the matter with my experience with my machine.

 

um, no, that doesn't. The 8A Bios doesn't underclock the card at all. I'm using this Bios right now (again). That's the bios we are discussing. That Bios disables the "boost 2" clocks which "OVERCLOCK" the card automatically.
The bios which underclocks the card is a different Bios (actually that locks it to 1443 mhz maximum).

 

One reason kung bakit nakikita mo na there is no significant increase in performance dahil sa thermal throttling. Check nyo din kung may thermal throttling na kayo.


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Oh my bad, I labored under the notion that GPU Boost was the norm for the past couple of Nvidia GPU generations.

Because it IS normal, and not allowing it to function is essentially underclocking. Underclocking by means of neutering the card.

 

Isa pang kababayan, nice pre! Sorry for not mentioning my temps during testing with 4.2Ghz 20mv overvolt OC. It was only around high 70s just barely touching low 80s during gaming. So no thermal throttling whatsoever. Thanks for reminding me of that pre! I forgot to mention it.

 

Kindly reread my previous post about overclocking CPU to 4, 4.1 and 4.2 Ghz pre. I corrected my post and changed "overclock" and "underclock" when I meant "overvolt" and "undervolt" in my statements lol. Lots of mistakes dude.

 

I already want the GT75VR.

I wonder if MSI will put that on the table, when they have to start the Volta trade in program for the GT72/GT80 owners.

 

Just when i thought a gt73 couldnt get any thicker, they made the gt75 which is at least another 1cm thicker from the looks of it.

 

Look at that top metal section, man that is thick. Thicker than a normal usb port from the looks of it. Current gt73's top metal section is pretty thin in comparison.

This behemoth is probably going to weigh a tonne. I do love how they implemented a wristrest back though i really missed the wrist rest of the gt72's, and of course that keyboard is glorious, seems like it is easier to clean too than our current keyboards

 

Is there any download link windows 10 pro original Msdn include update may 2017.
I just found the aio version

 

Ok, thank you for the information.

@specialist7

MSI GT72VR 7RE: "We can measure up to 184 watts during our stress test – enough headroom for the 230-watt power adapter"

I dont think a 330W PSU would make any difference

Ok, good !

Right, but every day i see new people with the same issue, not only here but on official msi forum.

I undestand what you mean, 8A vbios is a good way to use the laptop, i get it.

But, i just dont like the ideia, of using some strange vbios made by some random chinese forum... i like to use official stuff, im no expert on this subject of overclock, underclock or msi afterburner

I just want to turn on the laptop and play some games, without worring about anything, let the laptop overclock/downclock by itself.

If i manually overclock, i will have more fan noise and higher temperatures, running at 1850mhz always, it stress more the system.

Your laptop might have the same crash/reboot problem, did you try to use ony one gpu at a time? both crash? or just one?

Check my thread about this issue here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...2vr-gt72vr-reboot-crash-problem.804978/page-6

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With this said,

MSI is going to replace my gpu for a new revision.

@specialist7 and @Falkentyne

Is there any way to check the GPU revision? maybe on GPU-Z?

Mine looks something like this:



If i was using a 1070 GTX revision 1.2, what would change on gpu-z?

Thank you

 

The 230W PSU can get -hot- after awhile on the GT73VR with the 7820HK and 1070 after sustained heavy load for a long time. The 330W PSU only gets warm. This can be a good thing if you care about safety and stuff not getting too hot. You never want to run too close to a PSU's limit because PSU's running too hot are not safe (at least to me they aren't safe). I may just take my 230W when I leave home and keep the 330W at home.

 

I understand but what i meant, is that 230W is enough for GT72VR 7RE with 7700HQ + 1070 GTX (my case).

@specialist7, mentioned that a 330W PSU could fix the crash/reboot problem on 1070 GTX revision 1.0, thats why i mentioned the notebookcheck review quote.

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@Falkentyne, regarding the question about how to check the gpu revision, do you know how to do it?

 

How come your memory shows 2002 MHz and mine shows only 1251 MHz although I have a 1080 GTX?

 

Gtx 1070 use lower clocked vram. Aka 8000MHz. Do your math

 

I don't understand

 

Does anyone know I get major update notifications.
'Nahimic hotfix'
After clean install

But i have installed latest version software
Realtek HD Audio Driver v6.0.1.8158/Nahimic v2.3.20
Dragon Center v1.2.1705.1801
The update is download older version realtek+nahimic software
How to fix the problem ?

 

GDDR5 vs GDDR5X, effective clock = 4x vs 8x nominal clock

 

Yep I read it again. Slamat talaga, So when playing TW3, What were the ranges of your CPU temps during:
4.1ghz, -25mv= ?
4.0ghz,-50mv= ?
4.2ghz, +20mv= ?

Cause mealier this during noon, after lunch, my CPU reached a high of 71 celsius. I was at 40ghz -50mv at that time playing TW3.

And btw, I tweak it to 40ghz at the advanced tab per XTU, 40x on the active cores under the multipliers category. tama ba yun?

 

Read
And you will find a Hell lot more if you use your Steelseries keyboard and punching in Google search J/K bruh Or opt for the new MSI with the better keyboard

 

Hey guys, I got a new 960 EVO 500GB for my new GT73VR. I was going to set it up as a new installation, creating the vanilla Windows image from the MediaCreationTool from Microsoft. I wanted to know apart from @Phoenix driver thread and installing those should I do anything else?

Also should I backup the old installation of Windows? I don't need the key because I will be using my windows 10 pro key.

 

yes offcourse, right after you finish the installation, you should install TeamViewer and tag me again so I can PM you and tweak your laptop

 

Oh great thanks mate but I don't think my internet is up for the task.

I think your guide is quite updated I was gonna follow those steps.
Is there anything worth keeping back from the HDD or is it worth taking the backup of the current installation?

 

Yes, you have to backup NOTHING from that bloated installation that includes Norton Security and outdated/ancient drivers! Be fresh! be like a lemonade and install the latest drivers from here:

MSI GT73VR 7RF TITAN PRO Drivers

 

MSI GT75VR Hands on First Impressions

 

Does a 7re version include gsync as well please? 287uk thx

 

Anyone?

 

After doing a clean install i always get the same problem. How to fix this update notification problem?
@Phoenix

 

Guys,
Anyone knows why the DG and intel XTU shows the cpu core clock (for some laptops) as -2.9 ?
me and some other people are having that issue, nothing fixed that even clean installation!!
I just noticed after clean install it is fine, but when i start to install the laptop drivers, it will back again! I think it is driver confliction problem ! but I donno which driver causes that (or maybe my antivirus power management)

can anyone help us please?

 

I found the problem, the problem is AVG anrivirus!!
next time i will buy a better one --> node32

 

my problem is because of AVG antivirus, honestly that problem is not important! since u can see reall clock on task manager if you need.

 

@Phoenix with the workstation version of Macrium Reflect, how do you backup your windows installation if the DESTINATION hard drive is smaller than the source?
Windows is on a 256GB Samsung 960 Evo. I want to back up the windows install only to an 80 GB Intel 2.5" SSD I have sitting around.

Is that possible?
I did make a rescue disk already (to the Intel SSD) but that's not the windows installation....