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I couldn't care less, got more important stuff to worry about

 

I have no delay in booting with 388.00. Same as every other version.

 

It's not graphics driver. So at the boot stage, things get initialized but one or more processes took longer possibly due to a longer hardware initialization.

 

I do not really understand. but what I experienced when installing drivers one by one after installing nvidia boot logo driver seems to stop spinning for a moment. if using intel hd runs smoothly
in the 388.00 driver I see the details of the error in the event viewer.
Error nvlddmkm
after I install and clean install windows there is no description error in event viewer.
but boot logo still pause
I see the problem occurs after installing the nvidia driver. whatever the cause. already reset cmos and reflash ec firmware and bios. but still did not work

already 2x do clean install win10
1709 build 16299.19

 

yes this is a small problem with a complicated solution

 

The hitches are from other things running, delaying progress, delay from initializing a GPU might be what you are seeing. So you aren't going to make it go away

 

Correction, it's a non-problem with no solution except to ignore the progress spinner thingee, and enjoy your day

 

there seems to be a problem with my gpu or my ram
M471A1K43BB1-CRC 2x8GB+
M471A2K43BB1-CRC 1x16GB

 

right because when the driver is installed and detects the gpu the problem occurs
and clean install does not change the result
I will try installing old version drivers
because there is a difference between 388.00 and 388.13. in the 388.00 driver a logo stops and does not continue. on 388.13 logo pause and then move back like in the video I uploaded


@hmscott
is this a malfunction gpu ? is there a way to check it?

 

Did you read everything I wrote?

I said it's not worth debugging, it's been seen on all Windows OS's for a long time, its a progress spinner now - it used to be a progress bar - sometimes it stops or spins slower / faster, it's just supposed to entertain you while you wait for the OS to finish loading.

When you changed the boot GPU you changed the OS initialization, which may cause the boot animation to change, you are chasing your tail... that's what I am trying to say.

 

.yes i have read all. sorry, I'm not good at speaking english it took me a few times to understand it.
also with the help of translate
so that i meet seems to delay detecting gpu
thank you for your information and your experience .

 

no one know how on the lm thing :/ ?

 

Last night half of the keys on my laptop's keyboard stopped registering. I had Divinity OS2 running, I fell asleep at my desk, woke up with it still running, but when I went back to playing buttons just didn't work anymore. It seems pretty random as it isn't on one side or the other, keys do or don't work on either side of the board. Example, none of the numpad numbers work, but all of the symbols do.
1234567 work, but 890-= don't. As far as letters, yuiop work from row one, asdhjkl from row 2, only zx and comma from row 3. Nothing works from F1 to Pause/Break, none of the Shift/Ctrl, Alts do either.

Where do I even start with the troubleshooting?

Should also mention that the left side of the keyboard is really dim compared to the right.

 

Open the laptop, unplug the battery cable, and check the long wide ribbon cable (that's the keyboard). Carefully unlatch it and pull it (it has a few inches of slack dont worry), then clean the edge of the connector with Deoxit D5, and also clean the mainboard connnector as well. Then reattach the cable. Make sure it doesn't slip behind the mainboard. It has a few inches of slack so please pull it out towards you. It will have a bulge when you reattach it but that's fine. Better than having it slip back behind the mainboard! See if this helps. This has helped others but those people usually only had a matrix stop working (example, caps lock, S, 6 and 7 are on the same matrix).

 

I will give that a shot in the am. Anything to avoid returning to MSI. The quoted 10- 30 business day RMA turnaround is frankly terrifying.

 

Hi everyone,
please help I switched the GPU --> restart laptop --> it cant detect NVIDIA GPU !!!
What shoud I do ?

 

any help ?

 

Hi everyone,

I have a 6RF I bought in August that started occasionally needing to try a few times to get to loading Windows due to stopping on a black screen, then it needed to bit to BIOS and then reboot again to get it running, and now this morning nothing I try seems to work.

I hit the EC reset button hoping it might help, no dice.

The power button and GPU switch lights come on, it'll occasionally switch off then back on and the fan blows, but it just won't get anything but a black screen. Any ideas?

 

Damn it!!
I have format all my data by mistake!!!
Hate it..

 

As a follow-up, it finally decided to boot for me, I updated the EC firmware and the BIOS, and it seems to be fine now. So uh... yay.

That's been my only problem with this laptop since I got it, it runs everything I throw at it, other than this it's been a great little buddy.

 

hey .. i have a problem with msi afterburner .. i want to see the vcore of the chip ...

settings-> enable voltage controll and enable voltage obersavtion. And restart hole computer dont help. Not helping. Unter Setting -> Oberservation nothing new is comeing :/

in GPU-Z it is shown unter VDDC ..

 

Does this laptop have an upgradeable GPU?

 

It's on an MXM plug in card, but so far *none* of the laptop makers have a program for upgrading GPU's. Eurocom specializes in aftermarket GPU upgrades, but I wouldn't futz with that.

You have firmware, vbios, and screen G-sync compatibility issues, and if you get it upgraded there may still be power limit and thermal limit issues as you increase the GPU power and thermal requirements for higher performance GPU's.

It's best to sell the old laptop and buy a new one to upgrade to faster / newer CPU / GPU. It's been this way for a long time. The removeable CPU and GPU are good for replacing bad units, but that's what the warranty is for anyway.

At the end of 2 years of warranty it's time to sell the laptop and get a new one with upgraded GPU / GPU.

There are people that refuse to be dissuaded and spend weeks and months hunting down compatible MXM GPU's, get them, fry them or get them to work or not work, and then keep trying again and again.

If you want a DIY project to tinker with in your off hours for weeks and months on end, then unsupported GPU upgrades are just the ticket

 

Stop.
what do you mean it cant detect the GPU?
What happens?

Black screen?
Can you see MSI Logo? Or black screen? Please explain.

 

Thank you for your care,
I was updated the win10 and it made problem with last update of ESET...
I coulnt solve that till today morning, I switched to 1080 GPU but my oc coudlnt detect that!
I did everything but the problem persisted, I reinstalled windows but I deleted my HDD by mistake,
SO I delete evvvvvvvvvrything and reinstalled win again, not it can detect 1080 GPU, I am just reinstalling ESEt, I hope that bear with me this time,

 

What is eset?

 

ESET node32,
By the way, do you know how can I seee mt serial number (For windows), I had a small app before, but since all of my data is deleted i need a replacement application

 

I found one

 

ProduKey, Aida64, Speccy osv. But No need for license key if you already have activated Windoze X. And I hope you had backup of your data.

 

I was under the impression that the Clevo MXM upgrade, in the past, has been pretty much plug and play. Is that not true? I understand the caveat of “no guarantees” but assuming it *is* upgradeable, has there really been that much to it?

 

It depends on the form factor.
The MSI GTX 1070 has exactly FOUR revisions (possibly 6), two in MXM 3.0 format, two in MXM 3.0b format, and two that have the "Buggy" 1.103v voltage step which causes crashes (most common in the 6th gen GT72VR, but some of those were used in the GT73VR 6RE also).

The first format MXM is compatible with the GTX 980 format with a small heatsink mod.
The MXM version used in the GT73VR is compatible with the Clevo chassis (AFAIK).

 

What's the real difference between "no guarantee's" and "not supported"?

Again, it's a fantasy, it's never been done in the history of MXM laptops, and it's not about to start.

As I described in the last post, there are exceptions done by individuals, or a "guy with a bunch of MXM cards to sell", and it kinda works, but maybe not 100% - like no G-sync supported, no full power OC, maybe it runs hot? Maybe it fails the first time, and you spend weeks and months getting a solution to work?

The closest we came was when MSI worked hard to have MXM upgrade kits and then announced it wide across all GT72 / GT80 laptops, and then Nvidia killed it - and / or MSI found it was problematic allowing users to do these upgrades on their own - it's a skilled job that is easy to screw up.

MSI finally decided that selling the old laptop and buying a new one was the best idea.

They called it a trade-in, but basically they made a market for customers to sell them their old laptop and buy a new one at a favorable price.

MSI didn't continue that moving forward, so all GT73/75 GT83 and all other models moving forward are without "upgrade / trade-in" options.

You sell the old laptop, and you buy a new one. Simple.

 

Where is this ribbon cable I seek?

Is it the blue one I see after removing the battery, that's partially hidden by the long strip of black adhesive? If so, do I need to salvage the black stuff?

 

its the widest one, like 1 inch wide.

 

does anyone know what this is?

 

Hello have successfully undervolted my notebook -100mv Offset in XTU and adjust the frequency curve in msi afterburner. Testing with prime95 in 1344k and und valley benchmark.

My GPU runs always in power target. I would like to test more power but the voltage and power controll dont work for me. Even no voltage is shown in afterburner after i unlocked it in the option. I can only use gpu-z and dragontool to get the rpm of the blower. On deskop it was much more komfortable. Are there some tricks ?

and the second thing ... when i use prime95 26.6 with 1336k and start valley benchmark .. cpu gets 100 % workload but the gpu only 10 - 40 %. On Desktop all two would be 100 %..

p.s ... what i testet is this barbone cabable to cool a desktop 8400... with liquid metal. 41 watt package tdp is nothing for this cool laptop. Dont tought of that before i bought it.

 

Please fix your english and spelling. It's hard to understand.
Set ICCMax (CPU Current Limit) to 200A (at least 150A minimum). You can set that in the BIOS under OC.

1336k is not a valid FFT.
1344k, no problem with Valley and Prime. In place fixed FFT of 1344k. GTX 1070 @ 185W TDP, 100% usage.

Your GPU is locked. To unlock it you need a HW programmer and http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/mobile-pascal-tdp-tweaker-update-and-feedback-thread.806161/

 

So I thought I had this fixed with a BIOS update and EC firmware upgrade. Back to doing this again ^

But now I can at least get past the black screen by plugging in an HDMI external monitor, and I get a white screen on my main screen and using Win+P if I set it to "Main display only" it's seeing the external monitor as the main.

 

hello thx for feedback, i give my best my english is not so good i misspelled the 1336k sry

fixed the problem with the voltages to show in afterburner with this https://rog.asus.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-81916.html

only question that i have now is that i want to rpm of my cpu and gpu to show up in msi afterburner. The only place where i see them is in the dragon center

thx

 

MSI is boosting VID power (amps?) and misreporting VID and power draw to create more stable automatic overclocks, but this overloads the VRM's. Unfortunately, the "proper" settings are completely hidden unless you have an unlocked Bios. Proof:


I just did these runs just now.
Pay attention to the VID, voltage ID, and the temperatures. The temps shows that something is not right.

1) MSI pure defaults, 4.5 ghz, adaptive vcore, AC DC loadline=0 (Auto=MSI default settings). AVX and FMA3 DISABLED. This is what normal users will be forced to use. If I enable AVX here, VRMs shut off in 15 seconds (shut off and restart).

View attachment 151380


Look at the VID, the temps and the voltage ID. When you compare the next one, something clearly is shenanigan. cannot show but VID is fluctuating wildly by 0.0006v, not solid.

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2) 4.5 ghz, adaptive vcore, +100mv positive offset (REQUIRED or will BSOD instantly at stress load <0.5 seconds). AC/DC loadline=1 (0.01 mOhm), AVX and FMA3 DISABLED. VID is rock solid not fluctuate either. But ..the temps..MUCH lower?? higher VID, higher voltage ID, lower temps???
View attachment 151381


Test 3: this is an even bigger giveaway of MSI Vid boost shenanigan and false VID report; without vcore realtime monitoring sensor its impossible to know what is really going on:
3) 4500 mhz, MANUAL vcore 1135mv, AC DC loadline=0,Auto (MSI default setting), AVX, FMA3 DISABLED. If I enable AVX here, VRMs shut off in less than 5 seconds.

View attachment 151382


Those temps...plz notice VID and temps...notice it and look at next screenshot please and compare!!!

4) 4500 mhz, manual 1182mv (yes, 1182mv), AC/DC loadline=1 (0.01 mOhm), AVX, FMA3 DISABLED.
View attachment 151383


Just for kicks, to compare with test 3, here is same settings but 4400mhz (4500 mhz will drop a core error), 1182mv, AC/DC loadline=1, AVX, FMA3 ENABLED. VRMS are HAPPY, NO SHUT OFF. Happy smiling VRMS.

View attachment 151384


As you can see, AC/DC loadline=1 reports proper VID, temps make sense, voltage ID makes sense. This is what you would expect from a laptop.

But AC/DC=Auto (MSI default) is doing strange things. Boosting VID, not reporting VID or power draw correctly, temps sky high and VRMS SHUT OFF IN SMALL FFT PRIME95 AVX/FMA3 ENABLED >4.2 ghz or higher.

 

When it comes to voltages and power draw. Mr. @Falkentyne is the master with an engineering degree in taptop electronics.

Phoenix playing Need For Speed Payback >>>> <<<< Falkentyne inspecting his voltages and total system power draw

 

Hey there , my first time here....
I have been search for a gaming laptop for a long time and i read and watched alot of reviews about alot of gaming laptops but i could found MSI GT73VR TITAN-427 the only one which is close to my budget and have alot of good stuff but my main question here is : i don’t understand how it has a G-sync display and in the same time has switch button to i-gpu ?? And how long is the battery life when switching it to igpu ??

 

It's rather simple.

The iGPU /DGPU button is a "Mux" switch which powers off and reboots the computer and disables the Nvidia GPU and enables the iGPU. So both are not active at the same time.
It's "possible" to have the iGPU enabled at the same time as the dGPU (standard users can't do that, needs an unlocked Bios) but you cant render to it, and the iGPU drivers will not load either. It "may" be possible to use it for gpu calculations like some sort of mining or something, but that's beyond me, and would probably require accessing it through Linux.

I believe it is EC RAM offset F1 which controls which GPU is going to be active. Offset F0 controls the "user defined button 2" LED light....

The Mux switch simply sends a register to the EC firmware, telling the Bios to enable the other GPU, then requests a system reboot.
You can change the active GPU in the (unlocked) Bios also.

 

Ok thanks alot dude for these informations,, from ur talk, of course u have the laptop , how many hours do it last from 100% to 0% on igpu ?

 

Not sure how to delete this post but I figured out my earlier question

 

Why would I know the answer to this?

 

I thought u have the laptop and u tried it at least once but it appears no
Sorry

 

High end gaming laptops aren't meant to last a long time unplugged - and manufacturers know that and so don't include very large batteries. 2 hours of non-game use is just about all you can ever expect from a high end gaming laptop. Less if you try and game while on battery.

 

Switched to iGPU, minimum brightness, and keyboard turned off, I've seen 3 hours.

 

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