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Do you guys know if all versions of the GT73EVR have G-sync?

 

My friend bought this laptop for me. From *******pc in jan. 2016. It's faulty 6re version with gtx 1070. (2016 08 model.) Now i using this laptop in Turkey. And i don't want repair or unofficial Chinese vbios "solution", Only way is replacement. I thinking send this laptop to USA. I heard new 2017 models are flawless. And i not thinking buy Asus, Alienware, Acer or Razer etc.

 

I just did a big windows 10 update last night and I have no sound now. Sound works through the HDMI and headphones but laptop speakers nothing. I tried installing the realtek audio driver from the msi website and it did nothing. GT73VR 6RE

 

I updated the driver and I'm 1 for 1 with a successful result. Thank's for the reply and solution!

 

You need to replace the MXM video card. Not send the entire laptop in.

Fun fact: if you are on a 115W TDP limit, there is no difference in benchmarks between the "official" bios and the 8A vbios. TDP will limit your FPS too much for the higher possible clocks and voltage steps to matter.

 

1443 or 1645 mhz? 2017 models can boosts above 1645 mhz. Other users pays same money but i have less performance? Or revisioned 1070 mxm cards can work above ''stock'' mhz? I bought faulty unit for 2200 dollars...

 

my one goes up to 1880+ mhz i think i saw 1890mhz sometimes

 

Most of the 2016 models have faulty hardware which causes crashes at the 1.013v voltage point. This was fixed in a later revision. Don't yell at MSI for it; from what I can tell, it looks like some Asus models have the EXACT same bug.

 

Is there an easy way to determine if I would have one of the faulty models?

 

Very easy actually.
One way is by the GPU-Z product ID but I dont know the matching ID.
Another way is to play an OLDER game or benchmark which lets the GPU boost to 2000+ mhz, and a vcore of 1.013v and higher. If you crash when the vcore is 1.013v or higher (EVEN if you are NOT overclocking), then you have the bugged card.

The problem with new stuff like Firestrike, Valley, etc, is that you are almost always going to hit the power limit, preventing the card from getting to those clocks in the first place. You would have to do a hardware TDP mod on newer games to get to the higher clock steps consistently (above 1950 mhz, usually).

 

Run the Ice Storm benchmark in 3D Mark. If it crashes you may have the problem. Also, check this thread: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...vr-gt62vr-gt72vr-reboot-crash-problem.804978/

 

Is there a way to set the usb port(s) to keep power going when the laptop is off or sleeping? I bought a Roccat Leadr gaming mouse, and the only way to charge this thing is to place it on a cradle which doubles as the receiver and has to be plugged in to the laptops USB port. So, currently I can only charge it while the laptop is on.

 

Can you use an old AC USB phone charging wall wart?

 

The USB 3.1 port has power when off for charging devices, but the USB 3.0 ports don't:

5. Thunderbolt (Type-C)(optional)
Thunderbolt™ 3 supports up to 40Gbps data rate, dual 4K displays monitor output, USB3.1 connection, and portable charging power up to 5V/3A when AC power is connected.

Page 2-9 in the manual: https://www.msi.com/Laptop/support/GT73VR-6RE-Titan#down-manual

 

I ran the benchmark and have included the results: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/23681139?

I turned Turbo on in Dragon Center and didn't notice any issues. Am I safe to assume my 1070 is not a faulty one?

 

If you ran it several times and no crash, you are probably okay. Mine crashed almost every time until I used the 8A vbios.

 

That may not be enough to say it is fine. I was one of the first on here to report the issue. I have a 2016 GT73VR 6RE 1070 and it happened only with a few games. It would not do it with witcher 3 maxed out which is VERY demanding r during benchmarking with firestrike BUT it would crash with black mesa running on an old engine during the long tram intro scene with everything maxed every time. It would also do it on starcraft 2 during battles with enough units that put a huge load on the GPU all of a sudden.

Playing with settings in the control panel minimized it but ultimately the Vbios fix removing the GPU boost stopped the crash completely. I have since used afterburner to overclock it to 1800mhz with no problem.

You can't be sure until you max everything out and try it. Try turbo plus maxing out all settings in the nvidia control panel. I can only suggest a few games as that was the only time it happened and I was only playing a few at the time. Black mesa, starcraft 2, diablo 3. Black mesa was consistent so I used it to test and play with settings.

I hope this helps lol

 

The experience I had was it seemed to do it most often with games where I would get high frame rate, like PUBG with all settings on very low or the Ice Storm benchmark. In heavy games like DOOM with settings maxed I didn't have a problem.

 

To get the crash, the GPU voltage must be 1.013v+.
There have been sporadic reports of systems where this happened below 1.013v, but very few; these same systems did not benefit from the 8A Vbios, which capped voltage at 0.881v.
Without a TDP mod, most newer games and benchmarks will cause power limit throttling almost constantly, preventing the GPU from using those higher voltage steps. That's why that ice storm? benchmark (whatever it was called) in 3dmark was suggested.

 

5 ghz superPi run. Not good enough for the HWbot world record though

 

Could anyone with a functioning F3 recovery please post a screenshot of their drives and partitions within Disk Management? I bought a used GT73VR 6RF with a 512GB SSD and 1TB HDD and the partitions are all in a mess due to a half-way Windows reinstall by the previous owner. I get the error stating the partitions don't match the factory setup whenever I try and run the recovery.

In the mean-time I am going to attempt to retrieve the Burn tool from the swm files on the recovery partition and see if I can make anything happen there.


Thank you.

 

This issue replicated itself again. I'm wondering if there is something going on during the shutdown. Ever since the update it takes a lot longer for the compute to fully turn off. It seems like when it is booted back up it is missing steps in the initialization due to an improper shutdown.

 

Interesting so it was only voltage related. Guess that makes sense. I'm annoyed because I bought this laptop because of how amazing it was supposed to be over asus/alienware and I wanted a laptop that would last 5 years and still be able to play games on decent settings in 5 years and now it is limited to how much I can overclock it to. On the other hand I'm glad I got a fix but I regret not being able to get the second gen with no problems. You would think MSI would have had some kind of compensation for this.

I'm fairly a newbie when it comes to computers and modding. What do you mean without a TDP mod? Does that mean a "TDP mod" can be done to fix this problem?

 

It's a hardware flaw in the card itself on the 2016 (or at least most of them) GTX 1070 cards. This flaw cannot be fixed; the card has to be exchanged for a newer revision. The "workaround" is to use the 8A Vbios which prevents voltage from exceeding 0.881v, but this won't help people with non gsync versions, as I do not know if the gsync 8a version is compatible. It's not the laptop's fault and I don't think MSI is to blame. The Asus forums are filled with 1070 crash+reboot issues on their GL502 or whatever it's called. The symptoms seem to be exactly the same.

Now I'm not sure if Nvidia makes the card, the PCB or if the ODM's make the PCB and Nvidia only supplies the GPU chip. I don't know this stuff. BUT if Asus is affected by the same exact issue, then you can't flame MSI.

That being said, the true fix is for the card to be REPLACED by a newer revision. I don't see why MSI just doesn't allow people to ship the laptop back and get it replaced with a new card, or, for them to remove the old card, ship it back and get the new card shipped to them. . But at risk of voiding warranty for personal installation. That's how you do business. But I guess common sense went the way of the dinosaurs in the 21st century, right, @Papusan @Mr. Fox @Prema ?

 

It's sad that some brands think the inside of their electronics are some kind of top secret thing and don't want consumers working on them. Maybe if they built them better they would have less reason to be suspicious, or worried about inexperienced/haphazard people breaking things. They (consumers) would have fewer, if any, reasons to open it up had it not been sold to them messed up and malfunctioning from the factory. But, alas, they cannot even get something as simple as paste and pads right. They really should be more scared of their own incompetence and should be grateful for their customers that are capable of correcting their mistakes and other manifestations of incompetence. It's definitely a whole lot cheaper for them.

 

'Partition de récupération' => Recovery partition

 

Thank you!

I believe I figured out the issue with mine. I did not realize that the laptop came configured with only a 1TB harddrive and no SSD (did not even know that was an option, but he found the box for me). Previous owner had added the SSD post purchase. I am going to remove the SSD and see if I can get it to recover to the harddrive.

 

Well I do have 14 months left on my warranty. Maybe within that time MSI will offer a replacement like they did with the MSI 980M owners lol.

Well that would really suck to have a non Gsync 1070 then lol. I would probably have returned this laptop if the 8A vbios didn't fix the issue.

As to replacing the card I thought when I looked at the board the 1070 didn't look like it could be easily replaced. It has been awhile since I actually got up close and looked at it though. Maybe if someone complains to MSI directly they offer to take and replace the card? I don't know if anyone posted about contacting MSI about it in here and their reply.

 

I am looking to purchase a GT73VR Titan (model 427)
What is an easy way to distinguish between a 2017 model and the older models?

According to the intel website the 427 is a Feb. 2017 release, but I want to be sure.

 

Get the 7820HK and you will be fine from what I have seen

 

@Phoenix Just bought a new laptop with @Donald@HIDevolution help!!!! can you help me set it up when i receive it

 

sure man. I'll send you a PM! congrats on your new beast!

 

THANK YOU!

 

can someone explain G-sync for me with the 120 mhz monitor? Gsync is a new term to me, only know of V-sync

 

There are many links and threads and google you can search for what this is. No need to ask that here.
To use gsync, it should be enabled by default, but in the Nvidia direct3d driver settings, under refresh rate type, you can choose Gsync or fixed refresh, so you just keep that at Gsync.
Some people don't have gsync enabled, so they may choose "Fast" refresh, to avoid screen tearing when vsync is off. Fast refresh functions similar to what the old Triple Buffering did, but I don't think it has a lag penality like TB did.

Um...looks like Phoenix ninja'd me again.

 

I'm debating on getting the 1080 or 1070. I plan to eventually run a eGPU anyway, but I'm curious what the temperature difference is between the two GPU's. I know the 1080 runs hotter, but I'm very curious how much hotter? If it's not a very big difference, it'd be worth getting the 1080... but I like my machines to run as cool as possible.

Also... Those of you who have re-pasted the CPU/GPU, what sort of temp differences have you noticed?

 

1070 with LM: max temp 63-65C at 100% fan, TDP modded to 185W

At stock TDP: max temp 57C

 

Does undervolting make a big difference in heat production. And tdp modding, is that a hard thing to do? I been trying to read this whole forum but 900 pages lol


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Thank you. Stock temps are all I'm really concerned with. I don't plan to mod anything except maybe replacing the GPU/GPU thermal paste with better quality or otherwise small easy things that will reduce temps + increase stability and the life of the laptop.

Are there any specific models (besides those with the 6820HK's+GTX 1070's) that are frequently problematic/defective?

I know generally you don't hear from people that are having good experiences, hence why you can often dig up so many bad reviews on products... but I really want to minimize any chance of potential defects.

The best option for my mental well being would be the coolest-running option. I don't plan to overclock so it'd make sense (to me at least) to pick up the 7RE with the I7-7700HQ and a 1070. However the configuration/model with the least amount of complaints would probably be even better for my long-term sanity. I'm going to drive myself crazy worrying whether or not my baby is going to die on me

Thoughts?

 

Are you buying this laptop to game?
if YES, do NOT get the 7700HQ. You will regret it later, when you find that you are no longer happy with 3.4 ghz and you have NO way whatsoever to increase your minimum FPS.
Get the 7820HK. Please trust me. Don't skimp on power here. Do things right the first time.

Of course there will be those who will suggest you get a Clevo with a Prema Mod for unthrottled maximum power (if you do that only buy it from Hidevolution as they are a prema partner), but I'm not getting tihere (although my next laptop WILL be a Clevo with a socketed CPU from them, if I do buy another laptop), but seriously, don't get the 7700HQ.

If you actually want a 7700HQ, you can get a much lighter laptop, and cheaper (like a MSI Raider) and just repaste.
If you want a desktop replacement like a Titan, get a 7820HK only (unless you choose to go the LGA route with Clevo).

And the faulty 1070's were in the 6th gen CPU models, not the 7th gen models.

 

All but one of the GT73VR models come with the Intel® Core™ i7-7820HK. The best thing to do is look at the MSI GT73VR 7RE TITAN-427 and custom build it exactly the way you want it.

 

Yes I am buying this laptop to game. But I am also extremely paranoid about having it die on me prematurely.. This is a HUGE investment. I want it to last me as long as possible. I'd sacrifice 20-30% in performance to have a 20-30% better chance of having the laptop last me 4-5 years. I will be using it more for normal light use, like normal work stuff & web browsing. I plan to dual boot Ubuntu which I will probably use 3-4X as much as windows. Gaming will be my weekend treat, maybe an hour or two during weekdays... But I do want the best performance possible so that it's as future-proof as possible, but foremost I want it to LAST!

I don't think anyone will argue that cooler running temps are good for the over-all life of the laptops components. Hence why I was considering the I7-7700HQ & 1070 over the 7820HK & 1080

That's good that the 6th gen were the only ones having problems with the 1070's. I'm mostly concerned with getting lemons, hence why I'm trying to go for the model/setup with the least amount of reported problems. I know that these laptops were released very recently, so it is probably too early to know for-sure how long most of them will last in general. But this seems to be the place to get the most knowledge about these specific laptops.

Trust me, if this wasn't a massive amount of money for me to be investing, I wouldn't be asking so many questions.
I'm OK with spending what I need to though, I just don't want it to be wasted.

The 427 is exactly what I've been looking at the most. I've been pretty dead-set on it actually. But the pre-buy fear/paranoia is strong in me. I wish it wasn't / I didn't need to be paranoid. I doubt if I'll be able to spend this kind of money again on a laptop though for the next 6-7 years so I want to make sure I'm making the wisest decision possible.

 

how do i undervolt 7820hk and overclock to 4.2ghz with intel xtu. and the settings are permanently saved even though I restarted
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without uninstalling the dragon center with preset 'power option' not turbo mode settings in dragon center .

 

Everything I've read so far about these laptops has stated you cannot under-volt them.
There may be new developments though since the reviews that I've read/watched.

 

Where would you read that? There is nothing *but* undervolting and overclocking info here for XTU and ThrottleStop on NBR for the 7820HK and the GT73VR, keep reading posts, all the information is here, and in other threads here over many years for other laptops with HK CPU's, and before that HQ CPU's that are tuneable.

 

Just about every review video I've seen has said you can't. But that's just through the dragon center I guess?

I've mostly been watching review videos + reading reviews + reading about problems with the various models. Since I'm not concerned with modifying the stock settings until years down the road when it's actually neccessary, I haven't really delved too far into that subject. I probably should have just stayed quiet. My bad

 

Nah, you'll want to do it sooner than later, imagine all that time wasted waiting to tune your laptop for best performance.

Why not game with best performance now, why wait for later? It's free and easy.

Keep reading posts about XTU and ThrottleStop tuning info, and don't be shy - ask questions - but read more first - and experiment on your own as soon as you get your laptop.

Be sure and benchmark and get base info on stock configuration out of the box before tuning.

If the out of the box CPU / GPU temps are too high, undervolt, if thermal throttling after undervolt then get another unit - do all this in the 7-14 days you have for easy return, don't wait!!

Reviewers don't undervolt for the most part, yet, they only report the untuned out of the box results.

They all miss the fact that all laptops are overvolted in the BIOS, and you must undervolt to get the best temps / performance out of your new laptop. Lame? Yes, but they aren't usually experienced enough to know any better.

Either that or they aren't brave enough to take that simple step to report both untuned and tuned results.

 

More heat = more risk. That's why I'm not open to over-clocking at all. There are waaayyyyy.... too many cases of people needing 2-3+ RMA's in a single year for me to risk putting the laptop through any sort of hard usage. This is potentially a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for me to own this nice of a laptop. I want to take care of it the best I can. If anything, I'd be open to undervolting & re-pasting the CPU. But nothing for sheer performance. It's good enough in that area stock.