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Ok, I try to update the 950 pro firmware something else way. But is this normal that every bios update I have to remove the all ssd drivers, enter the bios switch back from ahci to raid, because the original bios setting is ahci, and my laptop get bios boot loop in ahci mode?

Thank You!

 

If you mean updating the firmware of the 950 Pro then yes, being able to update any SSD firmware while in RAID 0 isn't usually allowed (although things may have changed on the SATA side (the 950 Pro is NVME, not SATA for clarification) ).

If you mean updating the BIOS of the laptop itself, then no that isn't normal.

And as usual, updating the firmware of a SSD isn't usually recommended unless you are experiencing issues - the same holds true for updating a GPU VBIOS.

 

If you want more for your money, wait.
Next year you'll be able to pick up a mid range laptop with GSYNC-HDR, GV106 and a 6 core CPU for <$2000 and it will outperform the vast majority of todays laptops.

 

From my experience, anytime you are running raid and update the bios it will change the mode back to ACHI. You usually just need to go back into bios and change it back to raid and everything will work again. I also cannot load new drivers for my NVME drives while in raid because it does not recognize them. As long as everything is working right, I don't worry about new drivers or firmware.

 

Mine is working weird, because after the bios update I get bios boot loop it is mean rebooting all the time and I can not enter to the bios. It is happening if I change the bios raid mode to ahci mode too.
So every bios update I have to remove all sdd drives after that I can enter to the bios and chage the ahci mode to raid mode and my laptop booting normally again.

 

how to upgrade Samsung SSD Firmware if you're on RAID: New Firmware for Samsung 960 PRO/EVO: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/new-firmware-for-samsung-960-pro-evo.804523/

 

when on RAID the SSDs use the IRST Driver only and the NVMe driver/controller can only be installed and function on AHCI

 

I successfully update the samsung 950 pro firmware.
Thank You!


I have a another question, In the bios the fastboot mode always disabled if I try to change to enabled it is switch back to disabled after rebooting. Is it normal?

 

yes unfortunately. MSI's reasoning behind this is because we have an HK CPU (overclockable) so the BIOS doesn't allow fast boot as it has to re-initialize the settings upon every startup. I hate it how it takes like 10 seconds just to show the splash screen and start the actual boot process

 

hey i am searching for a good power suply notebook for the notebook with a good price. Where can i buy one that matches my notebook ?

 

Most customers asked to MSI for this gpu crashes and MSI says simply "replace whole laptop". If replacing of MXM card is solves problem %100, MSI says ''we can replace gpu". I want completely replacing laptop as other customers. And i know this is not a MSI's fault.

 

Can anyone please help me to undevolt/overclock my laptop??

 

How to Lower Temperatures, Stop Throttling: The ThrottleStop Guide (2017)

 

Thank you man

 

Hello guys.
Have you experienced a really dark hdmi output?
I've tried tweaking every possible configuration on Nvidia Panel with no success.

The only solution is to set gamma for secondary display very high as 2.5 while primary display is 1.0 gamma.
The problem is colors look very weird doing this.

Can you help me please?

 

Which nVIDIA Driver are you using?

Can you test switching to the Intel HD Graphics to see if it does the same or it's just the nVIDIA GPU?

 

I'm on 388.31.
The problem doesn't occur using Intel HD Graphics.
But I noticed after I got back to nVidia GPU, the problem stopped. So it appears to be intermittent, I will try to reproduce it.

 

Try the latest 388.59 Driver = MSI GT73VR 7RF TITAN PRO Drivers

 

Hey'all! I've recently got myself a GT73EVR (after my last laptop tried to drink some tea) and I'm busy trying to get it up and running.

I'm finding this thread really useful but boy is it hard to navigate, the 900 pages or so and all that. But to everyone sharing all their tips thanks a billion! Hope to be able to return the favour in the future as I learn more about the platform.

So I had a few questions which I'll just throw out there, see if anyone knows anything.

1) Had one really big question which involves using a female to male 22 pin wire to connect an extra HDD in the empty area that an SLI card would go. Has anyone managed to install a bigger HDD there or is 1TB the limit in thickness?
2) The other big one was about a SLI setup. From what I could see the only difference was the graphics board and the extra heatsinks. Has anyone installed an extra graphics card succesfully in a normally single GPU system?

Additional questions not relevant to the above but not big enough for full-blown posts:
1) Does the GT73EVR have the ability to operate only on the integrated GPU? I thought I had read so but I might have been confused with the Leopard.
2) How does one set up the user-defined FN function?
3) Mostly curiosity: What does the line-in in audio do? Like, what would be the usual devices plugged into it?
4) The third button (The Xcaster one) doesn't seem to work even though I've updated the software. That brings me to a follow-up, is it possible to change the functionality of those keys to something other?

Just to clarify all the above are purely theoretical

 

The GT73EVR does not have SLI capability built into the EC. While the mainboard indeed is the MS 17-A1 mainboard, the exact same mainboard used with the "CM 238" chipset version GT73VR with the GTX 1070 and GTX 1080 models, and the GT73VR SLI 1070 model, the EC firmware has a power cap of 330W for the GT73EVR model. If you notice there is no SLI version of the GT73EVR on MSI's website. Exceeding 330W power draw will forcibly throttle the CPU to 800 mhz even under single card use (like a modded GTX 1080+high CPU load). This restriction does not exist in the "CM238" version of the EC firmware (17A1EMS1.108), and the Hm175 version (EC .112) does work on the CM238 version (but then you get those extra restrictions), but I do NOT know what will happen to your taptop if you flash the 17A1EMS1.108 EC on your .112 EC HM175 chipset version.

I do not know if forcibly trying to make SLI work will make the second card initialize or whether you would get problems. The HM175 chipset is not made for SLI support, and I assume some adventurer could try to brute force experiment with it, to see what happens, but then you would need a bunch of things:

1) The SLI GPU heatsink and VRM heatsink. The single card heatsink can't be used, and I do not know if the single card's VRM heatsink (which is routed to the CPU exhaust fan) would work either, because the SLI heatsink position on the main card has a different heatpipe orientation. Good luck finding someone to sell you those.
2) The second slave 1070 card, with the same PCI ID as the main card
3) The 230W X 2 power adapter. It's possible the Eurocomm 780W PSU would work, or even the GT83VR's gigantic 330X2 brick would work, even though the EC imposes power restrictions.

Then you would have to flash the 17A1EMS1.108 EC firmware on it, and hope it boots with both cards enabled (if you tried using the .112 EC, your CPU would be cut down to 800 mhz as soon as both cards got a load, if it even initialized the slave card, as there are no HM175 chipset versions for SLI to begin with, even though the mainboard is otherwise identical).

No one here has even modded a single card CM238 version of the GT73VR 1070 into an SLI version, even though it would work perfectly, trying to find the PSU (besides the Eurocomm 780W version), and the two heatsinks, as well as the slave card itself (the heatsinks are the hardest) would make anyone give up, unless they had contacts who could source the SLI heatsinks and VRM sink for them.

Yes you can use the integrated GPU. You just press the GPU button (with SCM installed) and reboot. With the unlocked Bios, you can also switch to the iGPU in the Bios itself.
User defined FN function is for auto launching programs. Probably most common use of this is to bind it to windows calculator or something actually useful (browse for calc.exe or whatever it's called).

You can install a 2-4 TB 2.5" HDD into the "SLI" card location with a few extra mounts to secure it, but you can *NOT* use two HDD"s at the same time. You would have to remove the existing HDD that sits under the SSD's, use an extension cable like this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002P6PDU4/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_5?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1UCLUF7KW7AYG
Because the 2.5" HDD is too thick to fit in the existing space the old 1TB fit in (but it would fit in the "video card" space, with minor modifications, and then use that cable to attach the HDD to the connector via the extension.

Can't answer the other stuff.

 

Thanks a mil for the detailed response! Yeah I thought getting SLI to work would be an engineering feat but curiosity got the better of me.
Silly question, theres a gpu button? I must be blind cause I've not been able to find. Or did you mean as a software toggle?

 

@Falkentyne answered in detail and in short version;

1) There is a 2nd HDD onboard 12 pins connector hidden under GPU heat pipes, hardware and software support both exist but there is no supporting cable available, so no need to look or ask MSI, it will be dead end (tried all the option personally), you can use suggested cable and upto 5TB drive, can fit it in empty space with couple of supporting rubber pieces (I'm using 4TB same way, 1TB removed).

2) This has been discussed many times and no technically It's not possible and even if somehow it's possible, it will be costly solution,better buy GT83 or GT73 1070 SLI version.

Additional questions
1) GPU switch button right under power button, switch between eGPU and iGPU, in order to work it you have to install SCM from MSI support page
2) Install all MSI utilities including Dragon center and you will have the option
3) No Idea about line-in audio
4) Install All MSI utilities from support page and buttons will work and yes you can change the button functionality

 

@ Falkentyne Hello man, I know that you mod your gpu to approximatively 180Watt.

What can you say about the fan noise, the performance compare to stock and frequency (In % or with some benchmark please for the performance ).

I would like to know if there is a big difference.

Thanks in advance

Edit, I found what I was looking for http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/mobile-pascal-tdp-tweaker-update-and-feedback-thread.806161/

 

Hi @low9 you haven't been posting in awhile.
There is no difference in fan noise since I'm using LM conductonaut paste. So compared to a stock 1070 (I don't have a 1080), there's really no difference in sounds.
So I can't answer your question easily, however there is only maybe a 6C drop when going from Kryonaut to Conductonaut on a 1070. The reason is because the cooling is already very good with 6 heatpipes and 2 radiators cooling the GPU, and the GPU has a larger surface area than the CPU BGA turd, thus letting those 6 heatpipes do work even with non LM paste.

I can tell you with LM paste, auto fans: 185W 1070 goes up to around 76C.
max cooler boost fans: 1070 goes to 63-65C (+180 core, +600 RAM).

150W 1070 with LM: max fans: 55C (200 core 600 RAM).
115W 1070 with LM (why bother testing).

What are you trying to do? Mod a 1070 or 1080?

You realize if you are trying to mod a 1070, you're going to have to hack the EC RAM (extremely simple), and you're going to have to acquire the 330W PSU somehow (Hopefully from your reseller).

If you are trying to mod a 1080, good luck. No one knows if the CPU gets throttled on a 1080 system if you exceed 330W of total system power, and I tried to exceed this on a 1070 using maximum possible load, and I only was able to reach 320W to the system (350W from the wall)--not close enough :/ (required FMA3 instructions + 185W TDP bench running).

 

Yes, following my rma with the 1070gtx and the failed clip flash, I enjoyed the stock performance for a while. Now I'm back in modding.

So... I flashed the modded 8A bios (Msi send the laptop with this vbios this time) on my 1070. I have the 230w psu

Why do I need modded EC and 330w PSU? My laptop have a power consumption at max 210watt from the wall (220 Max in crisis 3). The card doesn't go above

Here is a first score : https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/23923373?
+200 on both .
Total power consumption max from wall : 210W
1070 power consumption max : 135W
Cpu power consumption max +/- : 55W

 

Modded 8A Bios?
How is it modded to begin with? To what TDP?

First problem:
#1: modded 8A vbios sucks. 8A works best with stock TDP. I was ignorant enough to make excuses to mod the 8A and wonder why I couldn't use higher voltages in MSI Afterburner on the curve, before I learned how to swim. Use this one (attached).
If you still have programmer you can always flash back anyway if you have a problem.

Someone said there is a .44 version that is newer than both the 0D version (seen on GT72VR and some GT73) and 3A (used on kaby lake 1070).

Most important thing is static shock protection. And remember pin 1.

#2: GTX 1070 can go to 185W TDP safely. Might be able to use 190W, as MSI GTX 1080 type A is 190W with no power connector and type B is with power connector (used on 6RF and 7RF). I would not go above 195W as max electrical specification of MXM port is 195W. Make sure you use Arctic Cooling 1mm thermal pads; this is very important; do not use the stock pads if you are going to TDP mod this far.

#3: 8a vbios (if your GTX 1070 is NOT the 'bugged' version with crash voltages at 1.013v and higher) cannot exceed 0.881v. This will limit performance very considerably if you are TDP modding. The reason 8A vbios is sometimes used on "good" cards that are stock is, the 0.881v cap prevents excessive power throtting (at 115W TDP) and keeps the clocks more stable. (you can do this on a normal vbios by 'locking' the voltage curve frequency at a point, manually, anyway).

#4: You will have excessive battery drain if you exceed 180W of total system power. This can be very substantial. To avoid this, change EC RAM register E3, from value "10" to "11" (Skylake EC) or from 90 to 91 (kaby lake EC). 11 and 91 are the 330W power ID's which are used by the GTX 1080. System responds to this change live, as this ID controls the hybrid power battery drain point (starts at about 160W on 230W ID, 250W on 330W ID), as well as the CPU throttling point (exceeding total system power rating will cause Power Limit 2 throttling override (PECI) to cut the CPU to 45W, and if that's not enough, to 25W.

5) 330W AC adapter is needed if you really want to get the most out of the 1070. You can get to within 5% of a stock MSI 1080 with TDP mod, for a LOT less money than buying the GTX 1080 version (although at this point in time, difference in total system cost is $400-500 i think, but you still save cash). The 230W PSU will shut down at >250W pulled to the system (about 280W from the wall). You also need to change the powerID each boot too (you can make a batch file that will write the EC RAM register for you that you can launch, to save clicks).

*EDIT*
there was a vbios which removed ALL automatic overclocking AND all basic boost clocks (limiting you to stock clocks only+ manual offsets). I do NOT know if .44 was the version or if it was some weird .14 or .12 version, but make sure you do not use it if that happens.

 

Sorry, it's late here. I didn't know if you remembered our previous discussions.

I have the spi flasher tool and this time, I took big care of ESD and everything is alright. BTW, I don't know if they fixed or replaced the card. My modded vbios is the "recommended" from Pascal editor except for a max temp at 71c (your advice, a few month ago). The card run at 1835mhz constant.

I'll take a look at all those point tomorrow after work, I just don't want to buy a psu if it's only for benchmarking. Thanks for all those clarifications!

 

Are you a gamer or do you use your PC for work?
if you're a gamer then gamers like FPS so you should mod. Because Moar FPS, amirite?

If you just bench and use your PC to do real life stuff ....like......work....then of course no need to mod.

 

Can I turn on the discrete graphics card(gtx1070) in UMA mode? I dont need the 1070 to play games, I just need it to do GPU computing.

 

Hi.
If you are on Intel UMA mode, it is IMPOSSIBLE to access the Nvidia GPU at the same time. The bios simply disables access no matter what.
If you are in dGPU mode, it is POSSIBLE to enable the iGPU but you cannot render to it. I don't have any idea what can access the iGPU or if it can be used for any sort of calculations. Maybe it might be possible to access it in Linux or somehow do something in windows but I know nothing about such things (this requires the unlocked Bios, and setting iGPU (under system agent) from Auto, to Enabled, and the dGPU, under PEG Port 1, from auto to enabled.

(this will NEVER enable the dGPU at all if the iGPU is primary. I do NOT have any idea how to do this, and you would need the unlocked Bios to even mess with this to begin with). There is some arcane setting "Skip scanning of external graphics card" but I never tried it and I don't remember if this defaults to disabled or enabled.

 

If you are trying to maximize your battery life, you can set GPU to low performance profile to achieve that goal.

 

It's not about the battery life(no one expects that from an [email protected] lol)

It's just because if the 1070sli has to render, it maybe slow down a bit in GPGPU.
(Although only a bit, but since I have a HD530 in the CPU, it is still a waste, and turning on 2 fans while I am just coding double the noise)

 

Let's say if the IGD isn't an option, is DP-to-USB adapter an usable solution?

 

You mean connected the IDG to another monitor while I am using the dGPU mode? I am not sure whether the SLI is turn off in this case.

Well, the reason I purchased a laptop instead of a desktop is mobility. (OFC, Ikr mobility is a funny word for GT73VR)

 

DP-to-USB display is CPU-based, so since GPU is still active you can probably benefit from implementing this solution.
https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-DisplayPort-External-Adapter-USB32DPPRO/dp/B008CXFM64

 

i have the same problem please help me

 

I saw different things about the .44 vbios but didn't find a lot of feedback (especially with tdp mod). Which one is your actual vbios? I don't think I will go for this one as I was satisfied with 3A with previous card.

 

3A.

 

I flashed the stock 3A bios and modded it with spi flasher etc. That's an other story! I made a few second test on crysis 3 and frequency were more than 2ghz and 160watt for GPU. Ok, I need the 330watt psu

 

Is there any other option to adjust fan speed in GT 73VR-7RE than just Dragon Center? I made a clean install of windows 10 straight after fall creators update was released and the dragon center wasnt supported in that version of windows. I've checked daily if MSI have released a new version of Dragon Center, but no.,..

 

Yes, silent option. You'll find it easily

 

But if I dont have Dragon Center installed?

 

Silent Option doesn't require Dragon Center to be installed.

https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=255972.0

PS : however I am not sure it works with Kaby Lake ! Just give it a try

 

Make sure you change the power ID to 330W or you will get both CPU Power Limit throttling AND extremely high "NOS" battery drain if you exceed 230W system power.

Use RWEverything, and on the EC Tab, increase the value in EC RAM register "E3" by one point. If yours is a 10, change it to 11. If it's 90, change it to 91.
This should be done every boot. That # is the GTX 1080 power ID. This will prevent CPU throttling if 230W system power is bypassed and prevent all battery "Hybrid" drain below 250W of system power (this is good to do even for people with non modded 1070s just to disable battery drain at high load).

 

Installed it and it works perfectly Nice! Thanks!

 

Hi,

For the one without knowledge in batch file, here is a way to disable NOS (battery drain on high load) in one click.

It's only for the one who received a 230w adapter with their laptops (Msi gt73vr of course)!!! The batch file makes the laptop believe it works with a 330W Psu.

All credits goes to @Falkentyne for the trick and other great contributors on this thread!!! Read previous pages for explanation and don't use this if it's too complicated for you. I just share my batch file :

1) Install rw everything (in default location or script will not work)

2) create a 330w.txt file on desktop (example)

3) rename the 330w.txt to 330w.bat

4) right click -> edit

2 choices, take the good one!!

4a) For Skylake (6820hk) paste in the file :
@echo off
cd\
cd /d C:\Program Files\RW-Everything
Start /b rw.exe /Command="WEC 0xE3 0x11"
timeout /t 1
taskkill /im rw.exe /f

4b) For kabylake (7820HK) paste in the file
@echo off
cd\
cd /d C:\Program Files\RW-Everything
Start /b rw.exe /Command="WEC 0xE3 0x91"
timeout /t 1
taskkill /im rw.exe /f

6) save and close

7) right click -> create a shortcut

8) right click on the shortcut -> property -> advanced. Give the administrator right.

And that's all. Everytime you want to mod, just double click on the shortcut (the mod is reset everytime you reboot)

 

Excellent, that's pretty much it.
This is a complete godsend for stock TDP GTX 1070 230W users for either GT73VR, as the battery will never be touched with the 330W power ID.


Unfortunately, I have NOT been able to find a way to help GTX 1080 users who already have the 330W power ID; I tried to find how to enable 460W double power ID but I could not; this uses the "base" ID (see below).

For people using TDP modded video cards (higher than 115W TDP, e.g. 150W+ GTX 1070), then you need to both do this, and buy the Delta 330W PSU, to prevent the 230W PSU from shutting down at too high load (it seems to go up to 245W from the system maximum then shuts down--the PSU light just shuts off and it has to be unplugged from the wall), or from getting VERY excessive battery drain (<10% drain in one hour if you're pulling 225W to the system). Also if 230W of total system power is ever exceeded (regardless of what PSU you have), the EC firmware will TDP throttle the CPU down to 45W, then down to 25W.

I do NOT know what happens if 330W of total system power is exceeded. I tried to 'unlock' the 460W AC power ID (for the GT73VR, 1070 SLI, as 1080 SLI is only on the GT83VR), as this power ID still uses the base 230W power ID (10 or 90), but doubles it (thus exceeding 230W won't throttle the CPU), but this seems to be impossible without the slave card inserted, as it may be a Bios+EC communcation. The CM238 EC has allowance for 460W of system power, because if you use the unlocked Bios to set "PSYS_PMAX" (Power_Of_System) to 337W (value=2700), the system just ignores it and doesn't care (HWinfo64 will report an abnormal amount of system power, which is impossible to achieve), but if you set this value to 337W on the HM175 EC for the GT73EVR (or GT73VR's with changed product numbers with HM175 chipset), the EC will INSTANTLY throttle the CPU to 800 mhz, without signaling any power limit flag, as soon as any load is put on the video card whatsoever.

 

I made a few test with +185mhz on core and +400 MHz on memory.

Here a re the results :
3d mark : https://www.3dmark.com/fs/11433459
169w max from GPU (hwinfo64)
2075mhz max on gpu
280w from wall max (definitely need the 330w psu. It's hard to find in Belgium for less than 150€... Is it normal?)

I think my cpu throttle as I previously did better run with stock GPU. May be the adaptateur is the culprit. BTW, i'm the fifth Msi in 3dmark ranking with similar configuration

Thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge !

 

CPU throttle is easy to check, just use Throttlestop and check Limit Reasons for PL1 and PL2 throttling; EDP Other should also be lit up at the same time as PL1/2 if they get triggered (when first loading Throttlestop, clear any yellow checkboxes in the limit reasons as those are fake flags if they are lit up as soon as you run TS without any load on the system). Suggest you check that.

Make sure you are not using "91" in EC RAM register E3. Skylake EC will not recognize this value and will throttle the CPU to 45W (at all times, even at low speeds like 3 ghz) if an unrecognized value is set here. Note that Kaby Lake EC (17A1EMS1.108) will oddly enough, both recognize 91 and 11 for 330W, probably because old code is still used, while Skylake EC (.107 and older) only recognizes 10 and 11.

 

Hello everyone, It has just been over a year and I want to grab a second PSU for my Gt73Vr 6re. The model I found on Amazon has no reviews and I want to be sure to get a decent brand.

https://www.amazon.com/UpBright-Ada...13448342&sr=1-1-fkmr0&keywords=psu+msi+gt73vr