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Hi, i have a similar issue. After clean install Fall creator Update the DC Center have some Strange issue. Everytime i reboot or shutdown and Boot, my oc Settings in the bios Set on 0. When i uninstall DC and all components That come with it, the issue is gone. Do you solve it? With creators Version all Runs Fine.

 

Yes, if you have the spi flasher tool http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/mobile-pascal-tdp-tweaker-update-and-feedback-thread.806161/

 

@Falkentyne don't use images from Baidu, use tinypic or imgur.

 

Typically you leave Vsync off in the Nvidia control panel, Gsync on, and then turn Vysnc on in game as needed. Adaptive Vsync is even better than Vsync, I've found, if your game runs at very high FPS.

 

The way I got g sync to work correctly is to have v sync enabled in control panel but disabled in game, and use frame limiter in game if available or RTSS, to prevent exceeding the screen's refresh rate and trigger v sync and potential input lag.

 

Ok here.

 

I had issue after Creator Update and it auto fixed by next windows update along with updating the XTU to latest stable version and issue permanently fixed

 

It's a mod, it's possible (now done by someone else), way way back in this thread I discussed this idea and even spent $70 and got spare GPU HS from MSI to execute the idea but due to following reasons I didn't work on it.

1. Not enough time for the mod due to projects

2. Laptop already has good enough cooling system and I never experienced GPU or CPU temp above 75 even in summer (Intense gaming or CPU load), so why bother modding the HS

3. Sharing CPU HS heat load with vRAM HS Side may be a bad idea, we all know that heat travel from hot surface to cold surface, so IMO sharing vRAM HS with CPU HS can cause a damage to vRAM because CPU HS Fan Speed controlled and depend on CPU usage not GPU usage and if for some reason e.g OC, work load or anything which can cause CPU temp high and if CPU fan speed not enough to dispersal the heat and what if that moment GPU not in use and vRAM HS temp may be lower as compare to the temp of pipes which share and connected the CPU HS with vRAM HS can cause the heat travel towards vRAM chips.....but it's just my opinion and I may be wrong, I was more interested to mod the GPU HS and it's possible but not had enough time and reason to work on the mod.

 

same here, but this time I didn't install Dragon Center or XTU. and now my BIOS settings are intact

 

Hmm.
I have my GTX 1070 TDP modded to 195W TDP, CPU @ 4.7 ghz (PUBG stable), 1.235mv, AC DC loadline=25, and GPU VRAM +700 (9400 mhz), didn't have any problems.
I am using Conductonaut on CPU and GPU though, Arctic 1mm pads on both heatsinks.
CPU fan will always turn on higher at 80C+ on automatic fans anyway. GPU fan will turn on higher at 75C. But I will not use auto fans at 4.7 ghz. This can cause BSOD with this overclock unless manual fans are used (100%).

Using 330W powerID to avoid CPU EC enforced PL throttle (bypass 230W AC limit) + 330W PSU.

I still wish I found a way to disable that "Hybrid Power" setting somehow. Battery boost suck is annoying @Papusan

Only way I can prevent it is to
1) disconnect battery.
2) set EC RAM register E3 to 91 (330W ID), then set register 31 to "09" (charge circuit)
3) set EC RAM Register 42 to "64" (battery level spoof).

 

Actually I cant find "Adaptive Vsync" option in my nvidia control panel, and google says Adaptive Vsync has evolved to Gsync.

 

Do I need to turn on the XTUservice? It always occupies about 1-3% of CPU usage.

 

Why use XTU when you can use ThrottleStop? Nice graphs doesn't give you a more powerful system. Rather the opposite @Falkentyne @Phoenix

 

I dont need those graphs, I just want a lower CPU occupation.
Does the dragon center use the XTU to tune my CPU? So that I cant turn off XTU otherwise the dragon center cant switch between the ECO mode and the turbo mode

 

Ok, the creators Update is on the latest Build. Now i have to Update the XTU. Do you use the one from Intel? Or the one from msi?

 

In game, not in the NVCP.

 

I play CSGO and PUBG, none of them have this option
By the way, PUBG doesnt even support SLI

 

V sync in game is recommended to be off, since it is the traditional v sync, while v sync in the NVCP should be on if one wants to cap the FPS to the refresh rate and this v sync plays nice with g sync. And/or use a frame limiter like RTSS.
https://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/g-sync-gets-even-better


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I wouldn't touch ThrottleStop anymore

 

Why do you hate Throttlestop, Phoenix?

 

Yes, I'm wondering the samething...

 

Because it's meant to stop throttling right? It never did on my Clevo P870DM3, only the Prema EC firmware fixed the throttling. secondly, I hate it That it doesn't have a simple button / setting to make it start up automatically. Having to manually create a task for it is very old school, thirdly, those random icon not showing even though it's running in the background issues which require you to reset your Taskbar notification icon settings. it's a buggy program IMHO

 

1: It's meant to stop throttling if it has access to that portion of the bios. It can't stop what it does not have access to.
Not to mention all the people who set it incorrectly from the start.

2: Yeah, I'll give you that. Would have like for an easier solution to that problem.

3: Never had that happen before, but then I just do a normal install of windows.

 

Throttlestop can't access PECI power limits (even XTU can't access that); only Prema, Svet or Dufus (who seems to no longer be around) would know enough to do that, and Svet can't without access to the mainboard which he doesn't have (he could write a test EC for a more than average donation (substantially more), but you had better have a hardware flasher and be prepared to take apart the laptop multiple times to access the EC chip on the backside to flash it with the Pomona clip, because you're going to get multiple bricks. And Prema can only fix something he has access to.

The Bios gives you enough control to avoid throttling if you stay within the AC power limits. I use TS to monitor my temps and control overclocking. Extremely useful for me.

I still would love to know what happens to the CPU if you exceed 330W total system power draw with a 1080 installed. I already know the EVR model will lock the CPU to 800 mhz. The Cm238 model does not "seem" to do that, since it has to have allowance for the SLI power ID doubled from 230W, but someone has to find a way to actually exceed 330W of true draw with a single 1080, rather than "spoof" it by setting PSYS_PMAX to 2700 (337.5W), which makes the EVR run at 800 mhz when the video card is loaded, while the CM238 runs at full speed.

Whatever, I'm drunk.
(I wish i were drunk).

Any of you figure out how to access the "Bios Backdoor" option "Hybrid Power enabled/disabled" and "Battery Voltage 1-100" yet?
(don't look in the APTIO capsule, it's not in the capsule).

 

What capsule do you want now?

 

APTIO capsule=has all of the Bios options you can unlock and flash with AMIBCP and FPTW64.exe

"Hybrid Power" enabled/disabled and Battery Voltage are NOT in the APTIO capsule. I already modded mine and checked. I even went back to the very first skylake 6RF Bios (.105) and checked and it's not there either.
And no one knows how to make them appear. Only @Shehary has even seen these options.

You can bet your buns they require some arcane keystroke that only MSI knows (and i'm not talking about the menu unlock code either).

 

ThrottleStop Guide thread has now passed over 7250 posts. A repeating topic... User errors. Manually create a task is not a valid reason to not use the program. If people can't handle this (I don't talk about @Phoenix )... I think people will struggle with ThrottleStop itself as well. I have seen this mentioned icon randomly not showing up one or two times as long I have used the software (very long time). I have used TS with both Win 7 and X and it work flawlessly. Of course TS can't fix Throttling if firmware itself is locked down as a 100 years old forever Virgin. Or firmware include a max power cap with use of Cpu and Gpu simultaneously.

 

Yes @Papusan I see your edited post and I still don't find any use for ThrottleStop. If it can't fix what the BIOS limitations are, then what's it's use!?! I'd rather fix my throttling in the BIOS which I did by simply changing the ICC Cache Max or whatever that's called from 75A to 100A in the BIOS (value of 400) and tada! Magic!!

I have not the need for any external software to fix my taptop

 

Most of the time TS cant change that...Only real XTU can. Although in our new bios it can't change that unless it's unlocked in the bios with it's addon parts.

You sure about that? You used quite a few programs to "not" fix windows. LOL

 

New overclock for the CPU @ 4.4GHz on all cores with a -50mV Undervolt. GPU at stock settings and clocks:

Fire Strike - GTX 1080 (388.71) CPU 4.4 GHz

 

@Phoenix
Very nice!

You gets no arguments out of me.

 

thanks bro, and FYI, no ThrottleStop or XTU installed, all done from the BIOS. Just set the voltage offset to -50mV, PL1/2/3 to 100,000 and VR Current Limit to 400 (100A) = 0 throttling FTW

 

Is that a factory bios or an unlocked one?

 

Hmm, how about factory...unlocked

 

Unlocked one. The factory BIOS has very limited options

with the unlocked one, you can disable Intel SW Guards Extensions completely, disable any other drives connected for when you want to install Windows so you don't have to physically remove the other drives to prevent the Windows Boot files from being installed on them rather than your main drive, access to all overclocking features like Prema stuff and a bit more even.

 

That makes a lot of sense then.
My Sager from GentechPC. With stock bios. And access to nothing.
This is the correct score for a system with no throttling at that time.

 

Ok, this is how I feel right now.....

 

@Phoenix Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

 

Phoenix sorry for tagging you again
the problem is, your VID Is oscillating by 100mv variance, so the undervolt isn't really a true undervolt. It's actually overvolting by itself at high load It's worse if you use override (static) rather than adaptive though.

The cause is the "Auto" setting for IA AC DC loadline, which adjusts the VID up based on CPU load. Intel reference is 1.80 to 2.10 mohms.

In order to know your true default VID (it will still vary by about 30mv at idle but this is a false reading now), you need to set IA AC DC loadline to 1 in the core IA domain. Then the VID shown will be the true default VID of the CPU (Vdroop will not be shown, so this is NOT equal to vcore, rather voltage target before vdroop (vcore cannot be measured). Most likely however you will BSOD at anything higher than 4 ghz, and will have to overvolt with a positive offset to find your stable voltage point. (this is assuming adaptive voltage with ia ac dc of 1) But then at least you will know what you need to be stable.

Then you can use override voltage with IA AC DC Loadline of 1-25 once you know your stable voltage (25 will help mitigate the "Invisible" vdroop slightly).

 

Nice spotting this Mr. Vcore

Now, if you're saying I might BSOD at anything above 4GHz then I'm fine with whatever voltage it wants to use. everything works now I don't wanna touch a thing

 

The problem is you can lower your temps by up to 10C if you properly adjust the IA AC DC loadline setting (use 1 for lower overclocks, 25 if you're exceeding 4.5 ghz), and combine this with knowing what vcore you need for stable operation.

The Intel reference setting for "Auto" is 2.10 mOhms (edited) on the Z370 platform, and it's somewhere close to that on Kaby Lake. (you can get an estimate just by looking at temps when doing stress tests, between the MSI Auto setting, and a manual override of between 180 to 210 (1.80 to 2.10 mOhms).

I'm not knocking this setting. It's fine for people who want a 'set and forget it' overclock, but it is detrimental if you are actually trying to push your system hard, because the power draw goes SKY HIGH. It's basically compensation for there not being a "loadline Calibration" setting, which acts on the vcore signal and removes droop, by instead boosting the target VID instead. And this "Boost" increases the higher the CPU load is. Then vdroop acts on whatever that VID signal is sending as vcore (Which we can't measure).

And it being a laptop and all makes vcore measurement VERY difficult, because you need a schematic to know where the read points are (only @Prema would even know this, and only @Khenglish would know how to find it without magic smoke coming out), and if the read point is under a heatsink, you're going to have to do some complicated soldering mods ...

Also, Phoenix, the VID shown when using the "Auto" setting at full load is horribly inaccurate. It's shown at over 50mv LOWER than what the actual VID really is. I know you are not into time wasting by experimenting and watching the VID jump back and forth and watching the temps and power draw, but it's rather obvious when you put a little time in to look at it.

Here's an example:
4.5 ghz, Adaptive vcore: VID: 1.08v-1.22v at idle (jumps back and forth).
Prime95 small FFT: AVX disabled: VID: 1.12v. <--this is reported VERY wrong.
Power draw: 85W
Temps: 84C.

4.5 ghz, adaptive vcore, IA AC DC loadline=1 (not stable)
VID: 1.08v (steady) at idle.
Prime95: instant BSOD.

4.5 ghz adaptive vcore, IA AC DC loadline=1, +100mv offset
VID: 1.179v (well, 1.08 + 100 = 1.18, adds up).
Prime 95 small FFT AVX disabled: VID: 1.1794v
Power draw: 78W
Temps: 76C.

Notice: VID is higher, but temps and power draw are lower?

Note: if you use manual vcore and IA AC DC=Auto, the power draw is even more outrageous:
More 4.5 ghz tests:

1.175v manual vcore, AC DC loadline=5 (or 1), prime small FFT, AVX disabled, watts=80, temps=76C, VID reported as 1.1794v

1.139v (yes, lower, not a typo) manual vcore, IA AC DC loadline=Auto, Prime AVX disabled, watts=85, temps=85-90C....yet VID is still reported 1.179v (!), but power draw far exceeds what is being reported...

Houston, we have a prob.....er....liftoff....

 

Why does the XTU service keep using disk? As far as I know, it is just a system tuning software, then why does it keep a 0.1MB/s disk usage all the time?
I have check the log file folder(C:\ProgramData\Intel\Intel Extreme Tuning Utility), and it is only 158MB.

 

I just ordered my MSI GT73VR from HID evolution and can't wait to get it!

 

Any tips or tweaks for a 4k video editor would be much appreciated. Thanks

 

I'd suggest you make a new thread in this sub-forum for better exposure: Windows OS and Software

you won't get much help with your question in this thread.

 

Good advice indeed, so good that it was already in the guide
@Paloseco

 

What about adobe premiere?
https://fstoppers.com/education/speed-4k-video-edits-using-proxies-adobe-premiere-pro-182779

 

Just updated my VBIOS to 86.04.56.00.3C

 

But will you get better performance?