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GT73VR 6RE 6820hk mainboard is compatible with revision 1.2 GTX 1070 graphic cards? MSI disagreed full refund or new laptop, instead swapping gpu with new one. Any power/voltage related issues found on 6820hk mainboard? And what kind of difference btw. MS-17A1 and MS-17A2 mainboards? I don't want faulty gpu and probably faulty mainboard.

 

1.2 1070 is compatible, yes.
6820HK mainboard has an issue with some SLI configurations as @Arestavo has had. This mainboard is v1.0
7820HK mainboard is v1.1 and does not have that issue apparently.
Crashes with single cards are because of the 1.0 GPU. the 1.2 GPU should fix that. Get the GPU exchange then test.

17A2 is for GT75VR supporting Steelseries full RGB keyboard.

 

The intel FW update on the msi support page causes BSOD and crashes? I have not installed the intel ME FW update yet. What "window process sharing thing" in google chrome do you mean? I looked and couldn't that (or anything close to that description) but maybe I missed something.

 

The FW update does not cause a crash, no, the BIOS update .320 had BUGGY intel microcode which caused crashes! So, pulled.

The FW update updates to 11.8.50.3425, which the Bios winds up bugging out the bios extension for the FW if you try to 'disable' the ME (MEBX) extension in the Bios and then tried to re-enable it. Older ME versions re-enabled the ME properly if you tried this. I don't know if this is a bug in the Bios from using unsupported options, a bug in the .3425 EC, or both, but ignore me--don't use unsupported Bios options except "overclocking performance menu", "System Agent-PEG port (enable PEG root port 1 instead of having this on Auto, to stop black screen problems when switching from iGPU to dGPU)" and CPU power and Performance (to access IA AC DC loadline in core I/A domain to change it from Auto, to 1-10, for lower temps/power draw/voltages).

STILL trying to find out why MSI did not release EC 17A1EMS1.109 (EC, not ME). File structure is intact, file is safe to flash. Probably MSI incompetence at work. MSI embedded Skylake EC 17A1EMS1.107 in kaby lake bios version E17A1IMS.30A, when release EC for kabylake was 17A1EMS1.108 ....good game MSI.

 

Before I started poking about in this BIOS I asked on this thread for the unlock combo and people acted like it was national security information!
Ah well, its a good thing I didn't find that tbf, or I wouldn't have unlocked the bios.

Anyway, I think I know what this is, and will have a look into it when I've had a nap.

 

Thank you Sirgeorge !!
@sirgeorge THANK YOU!

IF YOU CAN UNLOCK THE HYBRID POWER BIOS HIDDEN OPTION FOR ME I **WILL* (edit) marry you and take you to a desert island because you know...rules

 

BTW @sirgeorge check out that .109 EC I posted earlier last page. Why would MSI not release this EC...? im not flashing it unless it disables hybrid power, but if msihiddenfun allows that lemme know

 

BTW 17A1EMS1.109 EC is tested and working fine. But I see no difference. Still the same locked down crap

 

Falkentyne =

 

Hopefully sirgeorge finds something to help disable hybrid power before Falkentyne flips out and puts his GT73 in the microwave.

 

This is a potential unlock for the GT73VR skylake, flashable by FPT. I'm not able to test right now as I need access to my laptop but I'll keep digging.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=18CHjwgHmw3j8ID64nQskCOCCXVjXsXuE

 

@sirgeorge
is that menus themselves (MSIHiddenFun?) or the hybrid power thing?
I can't test it (7RE) but I do have my kaby lake 6144MB rom if you need that.

 

Been testing EC 17A1EMS1.109 all day. Seem to be getting no "WHEA Correctable errors" at 4.7 ghz with small FFT Prime95 (AVX/FMA3 disabled) at settings I was getting them repeatedly on before. Either placebo (even though I've done multiple runs), or maybe some random Bios setting I turned off stopped them. But usually 1250mv, 4.7 ghz, AC DC loadline=10 (core I/A domain) would cause quite a bit of WHEA correctable errors even at 84/82/84/82, but my temps were 88/84/88/85 (warmer ambient) and no errors. Can't believe an EC would improve voltage regulation, because voltage regulation is on the mainboard itself (isn't it?). I really hope it's a bios setting I turned off, but I don't know. Cstates are disabled, but the last time I had them disabled at *1260mv* I got a WHEA eventually in event viewer.

 

Falkentyne =

 

17A1EMS1.109 EC has been tested and is fully stable.
Download it here. But use it at your own risk.

(only for kaby lake CM238; if 17A1ems1.108 worked on your skylake system (MSI China replaced .107 with .108), .109 may work but no promises).
Hm175 support (GT73EVR) is UNKNOWN.

No idea of changelog. Multiple code seems to be different in .109 compared to .108.
From spamming prime95 w/AVX and FMA3 disabled (small FFT), I am no longer getting WHEA Correctable errors (cache heirarchy errors) at 1.250v at 4.7 ghz (so far) anymore (IA AC DC loadline set to 10 in Core IA Domain in Bios). I was having to use 1.265v with AC DC loadline=10 to stop the errors before. Now I'm down to 1.250v with IA AC DC=10; a setting which gave me WHEA event errors (Cache heirarchy) quite often in event viewer at 1.250v with AC DC=10 before. Now they seem to be gone (did 5 self tests in prime). Your mileage may vary. Maybe I'll get them later or maybe this EC did change something.

System seems to be running hotter however to compensate. Perhaps voltage regulation was improved somehow. See if you are more or less stable or if temps have increased.

This EC was 'embedded' in the Bios firmware (went as far back as .313 and is even in .320) and had to be extracted and cut from the main bios with HxD.
Could be a gross compiler error by MSI to include this EC and only have .108 available officially. Very illogical for a later EC to be embedded in the Bios and the earlier EC to be released.

Or it could be complete incompetence. I checked the old .30A Bios (the one you had to update with with DOS tool, or get bricked, if you wanted anything newer than .30A), and the .30A Bios for *kaby lake* had the ***SKYLAKE*** (6Rx) EC 17A1EMS1.107 embedded in it!

Once I saw that I smelled some incompetence at work here.

For GT73VR 7RE/7RF/7RE SLI.

GT73EVR is UNTESTED. Best off using your newer .112 EC.
If 17A1EMS1.108 worked for you on skylake systems, this should work but this is at your own risk.

 

This is @Falkentyne after he booted up his Msibook and discovered the same locked down Crap And Same feelings as the AW booys when they saw the battery drained due 180W psu and 980M

 

1070 is enough for me. SLI is not needed but i heard another quality issues in 2016 year GT73VR models. My two issues are one stuck pixel and well-known bad gpu. Some users experienced pitch sound from fans, switching igpu to dgpu and laptop opens in black screen, coil whine. I never experienced those problems but i disagreed 2016 year's mainboard for some reasons. Is any reliability issues found in 6820HK with v1.1 mainboard?

 

Jeez I have a 2016 with, I'm assuming, mainboard 1.0 and I don't think I have those issues... I do have the china 1070 voltage problem which was fixed with .8a (or something) vbios which removed the gpuboost 3.0. I've overclocked it to 1800MHz and +450Mhz memory without issue however so that is ok I guess.

What do you mean by coil whine?

 

When you hear your taptop fans go pprrrprprprrrrrrprrrr

 

Thanks for XTU. I undervolted 0,100 mv and cpu temperatures significantly decreased. (previously cpu hits 85-90s even for 5-6 secondly %100 usage. Now temperature goes max. 70-75s @ stock speed.)

But i can't use custom fan profile because i uninstalled Dragon center. XTU and DGC cannot running on same system.

 

But can you with ThrottleStop?

 

Never used before.

But your system uses desktop cpu. Desktop systems more suitable for tuning. My goal is use XTU undervolting and DGC custom fan profile at same time. I use DGC for fan profiles only, not overclock. XTU is more suitable.

I thinking overclocking 6820hk. I heard overclocking all cores to same speed isn't a good idea.

One core @ 4.0
Two cores @3.8
3 and 4 cores @3.6

or all four cores to 3.8. Which is more reliable?

 

How loud is this pprrprprprprrprprr'ing? Because I swear I have some kind of super faint "ribit?" noise. Hard to explain. Probably not the same but I'm just checking.

Over clock away. I gave up on DGC because it broke everytime win10 had an update. I now use XTU and silent option for fan profiles.

All four cores matching is fine. On my 6820 I have 4 profiles because I can and I like low temps lol.

1.6GHz @ -220 undervolt - battery saver/low temps
2.8GHz @ -190 undervolt - everyday use and minor gaming (runs overwatch/Diablo 3..etc @60 fps no drops)
3.5GHz @ -175 undervolt - gaming, handles witcher 3 maxed out no problem
3.9GHz @ -105 undervolt - heavy gaming ex; skyrim 300+ mods or maybe new triple A tittles, I don't game much anymore so I don't know what is out

I'm assuming 4.0GHz will throttle.

I just did all of these last week as I never really overclocked or undervolted much but after talking with Hmscott I started playing around and was satisfied with the results.

temps with prime95 were:

1.6GHz - 40C
2.8GHz - 55C
3.5GHz - 76C
3.9GHz - 88C

I do have a temp imbalance but nothing that will make me take apart and repaste right now. 88c was on 2 cores and 80C was on the other 2 cores. Obliviously there is an imbalance but I'm not too worried as it didn't throttle.

 

Let me guess.
88C on cores #1 and #3
80C on cores #2 and #4, right?

 

i have a MSI GT73VR 6RE4K32SR451 - Titan (0017A1-SKU5) -> https://geizhals.at/msi-gt73vr-6re4k32sr451-titan-0017a1-sku5-a1493194.html

can i switch my 4k panel to this panel 120hz fullhd gsync panel without problems ?
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/3D-17-3-LED-LCD-Screen_60692723166.html

 

On XTU it reads cores 0-1-2-3 but yes 1/3 were both 88 and 2/4 were 80/82

 

Yeah there's no way to avoid that easily, because the HS has to also contact the VRM's which hurts even pressure.
Removing the VRM pads would reduce that (since cores 1 and 3 are closest to the VRM side--unless someone can prove otherwise--that's an educated guess btw) but you need pads on there.

Switching to 0.5mm pads rather than 1mm and a good repaste (not Kryonaut) can improve things. I can keep a 2-4C core temp difference (Prime95 small FFT With AVX/FMA3 disabled) with LM and 0.5mm pads, depending on OC and manual voltage.
I only reach 6C if trying FMA3 (which you shouldn't be anyway).

 

my difference after repaste is around 10 when gaming or full load for example im getting in assasins creed origins 77 on custom fans on cores 1 and 3 and around 68-70 degree on cores 2 and 4. phobya is a great paste and i can see that on cores 2 and 4 in everything i do. also core 3 is always higest first im using 0.5mm pads but will do another repaste soon and hs test to see if its imbalanced.

 

As long you have thermal headroom, push all 4 cores equal up to what's possible. And why do you think XTU is more suitable? Of course you get more fancy graphs with XTU, but it will take it's share of processing cycles. Read this guide How to Lower Temperatures, Stop Throttling. Maybe you will change your mind.

 

Yea I probably will never repaste it as most games I play are more GPU intensive and I can use my 2.8 and 3.5 profiles for them. even at 3.5 during the prime95 small FFT (first option iirc) the temps were about 5c apart. 3.9 made a big difference in overall temps and core temp imbalance. When gaming I don't even notice a spread so I can't complain too much.

 

I thinking throttlestop is more third-party software than XTU. And i liked mildly overclocking but thermal management is more important. Lowering core offset to -0.100mv works. I working with turbo boost all day (not OCed) and i found a issue. Turbo boost power max and short power max values too high with stock settings. 200W! Can i change this? Because default tdp is 45 watts.

 

It's only an limit. The processor don't use more than it is able to. Let it bee. And yeah, You should be able to replase them with stock values in XTU or TS if this is *very* important for you. Just remember put short power max values to 1.25x TDP. But why bother?

 

I lowered Turbo boost power max. to 45W and short power max. to 50W. Temperatures are unchanged. And i resetted all levels to stock (200w).

 

Why did think a change on power limits would change temperatures without changing clocks and voltage? Not the way it works. You could of course shrink power limits below stock.

 

I understanded now. 200W stock setting is harmless for cpu. Thanks. I switched all settings to stock and only -0.100mv voltage offset.

 

I tried oc without increasing voltage offset values. 4.0 ghz for 1 and 2 cores, 3.8 ghz for 3 and 4 cores. When rendering (only for a few seconds), all cores active, clock speeds not goes beyond 3.43 ghz, but cpu throttled for overheating. Auto or custom fan settings does not change temperature even for 4-5 degrees. Laptop air vents works properly, and i don't repasted after a year of usage.

I'm back to stock settings.

 

That is not temperature.
Read what it says.
CPU CURRENT THROTTLING.

Change ICCMAX from auto to 200 amps.
This can also be done in the Bios by a divider of 4 (ICCMAX=800 in Bios=200 amps).

 

Maybe not so smart as temp already pass 90°C within a few sec with low clocks

 

No wonder you're at 90c, You core voltage is 0.

I run these and with prime95 small FFT I get 88C highest. Tried 4.0GHz but I'm pretty sure it throttled as it also ran at 3.43GHz. Don't worry about my max non turbo boost clock as I changed that for low idle temps.

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You can upload the image here via the "Upload File" option, then place it by setting your edit cursor at the point you want it and click the Full Image or Thumbnail option.

For some reason I am getting a fuzzy image from photobucket and it's even worse enhancing size.

 

Hello,

I just repaste my laptop with Noctua N1-H1 paste. It is very good paste. I have so good results, my prime 95 temps after 15 mins are 66/59/62/57 with 4Ghz cpu and on stock voltage. I have not undervolt or anything. I have just one question about pads, when you change CPU paste , do you must change also the pads or you can leave old ones. I left old ones, is that ok?

Thank you in advice!

 

If the pads are undamaged you can leave them on.

 

This is how it was. One little part just left on cooler but I think when I back cooler on his place it is going to be good. Look the pictures.


https://imgur.com/Gx1cA3s



https://imgur.com/LGDuY3n

 

Guy u are not answering my question
always keep talking about undervolt, overclock ...
no problem but I will update you

MSI DC is updated , go and download it
go go

 

There IS no answer to your question. Read the other threads in the Hardware components section!!!!

 

so your Cpu is not on the risk?

 

Sorry because I am boring. Could you please look at the pictures? One little part just left on cooler but I think when I back cooler on his place it is going to be good. It is my first time doing this. I wanna make sure everything is good

Thank you!

 

all CPU's are at risk because intel pulled the ucode update. It was causing BSOD and crashes/reboots.

 

Not gonna go anywhere and install that garbage app which keeps resetting my VR Current Limit to 0 from what I set it to (400A) which causes CPU throttling when at load