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I'm still shocked brother. Had to go for a walk with my dog to gather my thoughts after this. A damn long walk. Hope all is well.

 

Don't worry about it too much...minor thing. as long it recharges back to 100% eventually. it likes to hang about from 90-100. i had 8-10 hour gaming sessions on OC cpu/gpu. Just think of the battery as a UPS.

 

Nice got it! since got lots of extra pads might as well use them cover all chips possible. better safe than sorry. i'll see if mine has missing ones too. any cpu pics?

 

Better hang onto it. I predict you will be so disappointed with the wimpy CPU that you will be selling it right away. I cannot imagine hating the keyboard so much that you are willing to compromise literally everything else and stoop so low as buying BGA filth. I actually like the P870 keyboard, so it makes it even harder to comprehend this decision. I think I would abandon computers as a form of entertainment if it meant accepting BGA. I absolutely refuse to accept that garbage. @Papusan and I will be praying for you, bro. We still care about you, of course. Have your wife spank you, really hard, for being so naughty. Also ask her to hide all of the sharp objects so you don't hurt yourself once you discover how weak it is in comparison.

 

Yees indeed. We hope for the best.

 

The 6820hk/7820hk when OC'd are roughly equal to the desktop i7. And this laptop does have an MXM GPU so that's a bonus. It's not like he's buying an AW 17R4...

 

Should be. Why not. but msi has a bad track record with this....could be a blank screen...but hopefully the bios should know to auto switch to igpu....

 

All that because of the samsung SSDs....insane but love it

 

goto tools and make sure its unchecked and in the select the "whole screen"

 

If pushed as far as it will go, almost equal to stock desktop 6700K or 7700K. Huge difference right there when you never use the desktop CPU stock for anything... ever. Once you start overclocking the desktop CPU like @Phoenix is used to already, it's a literal bloodbath for the soldered mobile chip. That's why I think he is going to regret his decision deeply almost immediately when he starts benching it. The difference is massive. Other than that, it's a super nice laptop and is definitely better than some wimpy Alienware piece of junk. I really do like everything about the high end MSI laptops except for the BGA CPU part and higher than appropriate price tag. I could forgive the price tag but for the BGA CPU, and I simply will not go there. The sacrifice is far too great to even consider it for a moment. I understand that people that are not into overclocking don't get that part, but @Phoenix is not one of those people. I'm scared for him right now. I think he is going to be so disappointed with this decision. I am not putting anyone down or being critical right now. I almost did not post anything at all because I did not want anyone to say I was trolling. Phoenix is my friend and I don't want to see him make a huge mistake.

 

Who talk about stock clock equal LGA chips? And I expect 7700K will be a much better than what i already have BGA chips will newer be like LGA!!

 

I know and ICD scratches the chips.....and its useless comparative to stock.....HID should change to Grizzy Kryo stuff at least if not Grizzo Cons...

His gonna do a repaste again for better temps...everyone eventually needs to...this system doesn't last 3 months....mine cpu temps raising higher higher.....its hot summer heat where i am....

 

I would gladly used ICD if I could not use liquid metal due eg warped or uneven HS. ICD is a fantastic thermal paste. Can not understand all the criticism against using this paste. The life span are stunning and the result is good enough for most people. The scratches from ICD are only cosmetic. And can almost be avoided through proper cleaning.

 

Oh that means its a safe lock out. the 7rf bios won't allow you to flash onto 6rf. that's a good thing..

just do the EC to .108
keep your bios to .10A

 

Don't get me wrong, i have used and still have some ICD leftovers, but would not be buying anymore...there are just better TIMs out there which works better like grizzly kryo. ICD is just not worth the effort now when there are better stuff...i'll just use on older laptops....But since you love it. sure why not...

 

IC Diamond is the only non-metal paste that lasts me more than 30 days. I've tried to use and like Kryonaut. It's easy to clean up, and I really do like that part, but it's not very effective and too lightweight to avoid pump-out in a short time period. Stopping to repaste once every week to 10 days is too much of a pain in the ass, and that's about as long as it lasts me... not to mention the fact that it's way too expensive. The last tube of it got used up in two months from having to reapply it so often. Maybe on systems running 4.0GHz it lasts longer, but I fail to see a good basis for anyone using it based on my experience with it. At any rate, with CLU lasting us well beyond a year of severe daily overclocking, using something else just doesn't make good sense unless there is a heat sink fit problem to prevents it from being used.

 

The big problem is that people look at *synthetic * results of thermal paste comparison. They forget that they have laptops with much worse cooling aka low quality heatsink and with low pressure vs. Test bench or tested on desktop hardware with much better fit from HS. The tests are also no long lasting like 1-2-3 or 4 month. You receive an incorrect result and expect exactly the same. You can't get the same results. This is proven

 

It should work, there was a GT80 SLI-263 owner that recently pulled out both 980m's to sell, and runs on iGPU only

 

Phoenix, you should've started a new thread called jumping ship, or something along those lines. That's bigger news than most other topics right now.

 

Nah, Phoenix isn't defecting, he's increasing his stable of laptops... you gotta have a tame pony for guests.

Plus, it's easy to show the P870DM3 is "better" when you can show them side by side.

It doesn't hurt to "load up" the GT73VR with a ton of expensive SSD's / SODIMM's, "look how much more the GT73VR costs, and the P870DM3 is faster!!"

 

new audio drivers are out.

https://nahimic.helprace.com/i156-nahimic-2-3-14-is-now-out

realtek .8027
nahimic 2.3.14

EDIT. it seems the download link is 2.3.13 package.

anyhow goto device manager and update the realtek audio from there gets you .8029

 

Yeah. I thought of that. Also read that MSI has the new GUS coming in Q2. Might be worth waiting for and then I would have an eGPU chassis from the same vendor as the laptop which should help with any support issues.

 

Here's my vbios info. Am I able to upload the rom to a post here?

 

So far after owning the laptop for a month or so the only complaint I have is the viewing angles. It's next to my desktop when I'm home and whenever I walk into the room the color shift is still drops my jaw when the desktop monitor is on with the same background. In front of it you'd think its ips, but 4 feet left or right and its TN all the way. I only mention it because I saw Phoenix's review of the dm3 and he was impressed by the viewing angles of that panel. If some one is looking at the screen next to you like in a cafe or what have you, the two of you will be seeing slightly different images.

 

I'm also approaching a couple months now and i'm loving the machine, games play great!
I had the fan pitch issue but after ordering some new fans that's sorted.
I also updated to the newest Killer drivers version via Killers website (the driver only package) but after a few days the wireless card kept needing to be reset as it would lose connection randomly so I reinstalled the package via MSI support page and now no more lost connection. (I did disable the killer suite from starting on boot)

Although now at times when I hit the power button from a cold start the machine immediately powers off after a second and then restarts and boots as normal which is odd...and a few days ago I've begun to encounter 'Memory Management' system crashes upon selecting shutdown. It seems to be a windows 10 related as the memory diag. tool reports no errors - i'm debating acquiring a license for win 10 pro to have more control over OS updates as maybe a recent update is causing the issue.

Nitpicks along the way but i'm still happy I made the purchase.

 

Strange, I have the same issue since two days and I changed nothing!?

 

I've got a good hint in the German MSI forum:
It seems like this problem appears, when you switch from Turbo to ECO and back.
Solution: Reset EC and set Bios default settings.
Seems legit, because that is exaclty what I did a few days ago (-> no coil whine in ECO mode when watching videos).

 

Let me know how it's working, I'm having no issues with mine at the moment.

 

The MSI I bought has the 120hz / 5MS but FHD screen, the review of my P870DM3 has the 3K screen not FHD. Also 120hz / 5ms but I believe it's a different panel

The viewing angles on the QHD screen are awesome from any angle as you saw in my review

 

try disabling FastBoot and see if that solves the issue. FastBoot doesn't do a full shutdown but rather a hybrid shutdown which saves the current system state to start faster, but often doesn't work and takes longer to shutdown anyway, This is really not needed with SSDs which are super fast to start up anyway

 

I disabled it, too. With FastBoot it often happened, that the Computer bootet up, but instead of the Windows Startscreen, it was just black and I had to restart the NB.

 

Hello marius79,

I'm currently sitting in front of 2 identical brand new GT73vr (gtx1070). Graphic card drivers are the same, Windows 10 is updated on both. Version of Dragon Center is also the same.
The first GT73vr crashes during the 1st or the 2nd test of 3DMark06, no matter the resolution is, if G-sync is on/off etc.
If I start the test directly on Canyon flight, crash occurs during it.
Exact error message is : IDirect3DDevice9: resent failed: Device lost (D3DERR_DEVICELOST)
Tried to reinstall W10, graphic drivers (clean install), tried to change the driver. Got no improvement at all.
Second computer has no issue at all with 3Dmark06, no matter the drivers I use.
Ultimately, I clean installed Windows 10 on both computers. First one still crashed.
My conclusion is that the graphical card is kind of weak or faulty.

Did you get any additional freeze since your latest post ?

 

Even with Fastboot disabled, it's possible soft Shutdown is still in use... there isn't a specific setting to disable it.

So I disable Hibernation, that is required for both Fastboot and soft Shutdown, so it stops both when disabled. Disabling Hibernate also removes the space hogging 1x Memory sized C:\hiberfil.sys

Start a Windows cmd shell - Run As Administrator, then:

powercfg /h off

Then reboot.

See if that helps

 

Yes, hibernation off is what I did and that solved that issue for me.

 

Please check the vBios version.
My assumption:
86.04.2b.00.14 works fine
86.04.31.00.0d causes crashes

 

Nice try, almost beat my Firestrike 18353 score. I didn't push to limits though so i'm sure someone here can beat it Anyone up for the challenge?

 

Guys, as I was checking the drivers, I have a few questions:

MSI True Color = is this beneficial if one opted for screen calibration when he ordered his laptop? what does it really do?

MSI Battery Calibration = what is this? plesae provide some details

Sizing Options = what is this? something to help with scaling? how is it different than the crappy Windows DPI scaling?

Help Desk = do I really need this or is it bloatware?

 

check your inbox.....

 

True color - built in preset calibrations that you can use. The app just makes it easy to swap color profiles with one click.

Battery calibration - an MSI app that does some voodoo to extend battery life. Supposed to run it every 3-4 months. Too early to tell if it makes a difference.

Scaling options - exactly what it says. Another MSI app designed to simplify the process of changing the windows scaling. Makes it easy to change from within the dragon center app.

Help desk - it gives basic system info about your machine and might be needed by MSI support should you have a trouble ticket. It's small and doesn't use much resources so I left it.

 

Thank you very much for the detailed answers. This is my first MSI laptop

 

I found TC useless on both the MSI and Asus (they have the same name app).

The TC comes with it's own selection of calibrations per panel / laptop, and it's never been to my liking, neither the "effects" options, none give me what I am looking for - pure balanced color. The new Blue Filter mode is interesting, but tiring to my eye's, so I gave up on it too.

If you paid for a custom calibration I would leave that alone and not install TrueColor - check with the vendor to see if they integrated the calibration with TrueColor - likely it's standalone without TC.

It's been a long time since I've taken the time to run a battery calibration to completion, I'm always interrupting them to do work before they finish

I don't use battery much, so for me, it's not been of help. I don't uninstall it because I'm always hoping I will eventually run it to completion.

A good idea for newbies, it pops up and points out the importance of making a choice for scaling, but for experienced people just uninstall it and use the Windows Display control panel to set it per usual.

I use 100%, default used to be 125% which makes for fuzzy text in some apps.

A good idea that isn't fully implemented, I remove it, but you could keep it around should MSI ever flesh it out.

 

ICD is a bad paste, it does scratch the die, no matter how you be careful or properly clean it (spend good 15 mins to clean GPU die with isopropyl, can't get my hands on acetone), it dried out in 2 weeks, no big temp difference as compare to stock paste....the scratch in snapshot is not cosmetic (no rubbing or any type of tool used while cleaning the paste, I let Isopropyl does all the job, dissolving the paste)

 

Well maybe next generation of clevo will have the mechanical keyboard, that way it'll just steamroll the competition (MSi GT8x / Acer 21), I just hope that they offer different Cherry MX types.

Forgot to mention that the screen in the GT8x models, the most expensive of the bunch, is a 18.4" IPS panel with only 6 bit color display and a laggy 25ms response time, all being 60Hz and no G-sync.

Bleh...

 

ah I remember how bad the ASUS Color utility wa and everyone used to recommend uninstalling it

Also, for the scaling, I was hoping that it would fix the crappy Windows 10 scaling which makes some stuff scale perfectly and others appear as if they were washed out / running on a non-native resolution / blurry

I was hoping it fixes it like this does:

• Windows 10 DPI Fix

 

see my IC Diamond temps vs CLU here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-overclockers-lounge.788975/page-156#post-10240358

I tried Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut and it was the worst paste I ever used.

But how come you say IC Diamond dries in 2 weeks? that's horrible, I've had mine for 6 months on my silicon lottery 6700K @ 4.6 GHz and temps are fine, I never thought any thermal paste could dry out so fast. I thought one should repaste every year

 

No, it doesn't do anything on it's own, it's a pointer to the Windows system scaling.

 

I share some of the same views, however, despite the 6820HK tattooed mobile chip which isn't necessarily a slouch the unit as a whole for any gamer would be stellar.

The highest recorded Graphics Score on a DTR is 25243 in brother John's 870DM3.

I've managed to get a Graphics Score of 25607 from the GT73VR. ( Updated with new PR.)


http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/17689969

* Never mind the physics scores as this was benched during my cpu & gpu tuning so the cpu is irrelevant for these example.

Update:
[Will update with a new GPU PR of 25607 screenie shortly. Here's another run with a GPU score of 25417. Excuse the physics score on this run as it was when I was turning it. http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11564692 ]



The 6820HK chip in here is actually not too shabby. It holds 42x very stable and am currently tuning it at 44x and it's about 90% there to being rock solid. I've also started a profile to tune at 46x and although it obviously starts getting thin at this altitude, I wouldn't rule it out just yet so it should be fun to see what can be achieved. If I can get this to hold at 46x stable, that would be a pretty big deal for this mobile chip.

Regardless, I agree in that for any benching enthusiasts, a LGA CPU is the obvious path, but lets keep in mind that there is just as much trill in pushing any chips to its limits for what they are.

I always enjoy seeing the passion of your view toward bga and of course to each his own. However, to call this bga cpu machine with the mxm 1080 trash for it having a bga chip, as a whole it doesn't come close to being labeled as trash. Even an enthusiast would have fun with the GT73VR. Yes, it rocks a bga cpu, but when it comes to Graphics Score in FS, it has already beat out a LGA DTR machine.

I'm so tempted to purchase the 775 w/ the 7700K. If it wasn't for this GT73VR on deck at the moment, I'd have one already. Heck who knows...maybe I will. The 7700K is very tempting.

I guess on the bright side....hey if Phoenix is forking out that much one one machine, it won't look so bad in having two for the price of one eh?

Update: @spoonjaffa, here's my new PR. (Fire Strike: 18412) http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11564906

True. As I've said before, "Someone has to do it..." Right?

It's actually good that there are folks who dive in deep, because that's the only way to know for sure what these things can or can not do.

Take for example my AW17R4 and getting it to run at its peak with the cooling etc... I just had to see what the GT73VR could do in comparison in the cooling department. (I'll have the data up soon.) How else would we know to make an accurate comparison right? People can bark on the sidelines all they want about bga this - bga that, but again someone has to do it. - And I along with others are not afraid to being that guy...that person...because honestly it's silly and not a big deal.

In terms of the P870DM3 being faster, in the Graphics Department.... http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/11124955/fs/11451246 Also, this is a 25412 run, but the highest PR to date is 25607.

But yes, in the CPU category, it's obvious as most of us know, but to compare a desktop chip to a mobile chip.... I still don't get it. It's like a mid model family sedan vs a Turbo Limited Sports version of that same sedan at the 1/4 track. I scratch my head as to how people find it surprising that the Turbo charged Sedan wins every time. LOL...

If talking about bga equipped machines and classifying a mxm gpu with a bga cpu as a, "BGA," in general, it is clear that any argument surrounding whether a bga equipped machine can, "hang," is moot and dead on its face.

This GT73VR is no slouch and as a hybrid that it is, even with the mobile 6820HK being pushed into the 44x-46x territory, that is far from being a "turd," when it's scratching at the heels of the 6700K, which has an average ceiling of what 46x-47x if one is lucky to land a good chip or 48x-49x for the very lucky lottery winners? - We're talking a couple of hundred MHz here... and that is too small to label something as being trash. Just saying...

Now with the Kaby's....they are coming out ~300MHz more than the Skylake so with the 7820HK's coming out with 44x out of the box....achieving that nice 46x is not too far fetched.

The games have changed and the GT73VR is a great machine for enthusiasts who want to play ball. As a hybrid, it'll give DTR's a run for their money. (When the underdog wins...respect. That's just being real.) Again, in the Graphics department, it already has taken the pink slip of the P870DM3 so as the saying goes, "Proof is in the pudding. Give credit to to where credit is due." In this case, the GT73VR.

At the end of the day, it's all for the love of the sport. Like John, I'll bench anything. Some of us are crazy like that haha. How many people do you know that has swapped their Pentium in their NAS for a 4790S delidded and LM'ed? ROFL ... I may need therapy.

Broadening the spectrum is not a bad thing and I'm glad to see that you comprehend that @hmscott, along with others.

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Before I go here's the latest fellow GT73VR'ers... I'm still tuning the CPU but so far it's sitting at #1 for FS and the only one to break 19K, along with TS, FSE, FSU, etc...



@Mobius 1, @DeeX, @zergslayer69, @hmscott, @Papusan,

 

that is the funniest thing I've heard all week. Congratulations @iunlock - you win the Internet.

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7820HK @ 4.4 GHz out of the box? it says 3.9 GHz max Turbo boost out of the box, please enlighten me

 

Very nice @iunlock! Glad to have you on the team.

I'd also like to add that if your primary purpose is gaming then the difference between the HK mobile CPU and desktop in FPS isn't going to be much. You'll see it on synthetic tests but won't be noticeable in the real world.

The desktop CPU pulls ahead for other tasks like encoding video.

Since I mostly use mine for office tasks and games, the OC'd HK meets my needs greatly. Most professional reviewers recommend the i5-6600k for "best gaming CPU" and the 6820HK outperforms that chip so that's at least worth something, right?

And I think the ability to upgrade the CPU is less important than the GPU anyway. Sandy Bridge chips from 5 years ago are still viable today whereas GPUs are advancing greatly between generations.