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@hmscott What made you switch from being a hardcore ASUS supporter to MSI?

 

It would be better, and completely possible, for MSI to support the popular DDR4 SODIMM's in the higher speed range - Asus has done this for DDR3, and MSI has too.

I like Svet's work too, but memory support like this should be provided by MSI's BIOS as shipped from the factory. Not as individual RAM tweaking settings, but XMP profiles that are read and supported fully.

 

The GT80

I had a lot of Asus laptops, but really enjoyed, and missed, my ASUS W90Vp-X1
18.4" the most at the time it was new.
http://www.computershopper.com/laptops/reviews/asus-w90vp-x1

The GT80 brought back those memories and has been a complete success for me. When it came out there wasn't much out there that interested me from Asus or anyone else for that matter. The GT80 Broadwell came to me at just the right time.

Also, not really a fanboy of any brand, been doing this a long time pre-dating even MS and PC's, so I go for the best at the time of purchase.

Once you get to know the vendors, and know how they work, it does make it easier to get changes and support - so over time I've stuck with a few brands as they have been responsive and do good work.

Both Asus and MSI qualify in those categories, great hardware, dedicated to performance and excellence at their price points, and for me great people and support.

 

You'll be the first.

Excellent. Noted.

 

I just finished testing my laptop remotely via TeamViewer, they used Liquid Ultra on the CPU, max temps were 76C

I set all multipliers to 41X but it was showing in HWiNFO that the clock speed is fluctuating between 3.5GHz to 4.1 GHz

there were no other settings in the Dragon Center to tweak anything but the fan profile and the Core Ratio multpliers. how to make the clock speeds stick @ 4.1 GHz?

 

Activate the turbo profile and then click the gear icon to adjust the turbo settings. There will be sliders to adjust the CPU multipliers and they will stick as long as you leave turbo on.

 

increase vr current limit in bios

 

I'll let others respond about Dragon Center use, as I recommend removing it and using Intel XTU and MSI Afterburner directly. You shouldn't have DGC and XTU / AB installed at the same time, they can conflict.

I manually set the Windows Power plan to High Performance 100%/100% for benchmarking, and Windows power plan to Balanced Performance 0%/100% for everyday use.

Set 41x in XTU, 41x x 4 across the cores, up to the default power throttling timeout - and I'll let @iunlock take over from there for 7820HK power tuning.

I would also try a bit of undervolting, even at 41x, try -10mV for a start, and go up -1mV at a time until it's unstable then back off 2mV, and run for a while at your stable point.

If you can't take even a small undervolt at 41x, that might be a sign you should try a small overvolt instead - there is a crossover point between undervolt and overvolt that's good to find / know.

I'm looking forward to the power unlocked 7820HK results, I'm hoping for 4.3ghz-4.5ghz to work for you

 

I think DGC isn't locking the multiplier but increase your turbo range so your max clock becomes load dependent. If you want to lock the multiplier, you want to use bios.

As stated, I think. Not entirely sure though. Someone will be....

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Keep us posted! I came over here to MSI after a couple bad AW17R4 units with high temps and uneven cores.

One thing I've noticed is that AW has great GPU cooling out of the box and MSI has great CPU. I wish I could get my GPU on my GT73VR to run that cool.

 

DGC will lock the multiplier if the high performance power plan is active.

 

I don't think it's stock BIOS has that I'll check when I get it

 

Actually MSI has put in BIOS level tuning before for the 6820HK and 6920HK, so there should be something there for the new Kabylake 7820HK and 7920HK.

Please post BIOS photo's of the BIOS OC tunings available

 

Very nice. As many have suggested, I'd get rid of Dragon Center and stick with using just XTU and AB, although I do use Throttle Stop as well for further tuning. Just make sure to completely close out XTU before opening TS.

Set your max multipliers of what you want to run in bios and adjust the settings accordingly. Then use TS to fine tune the rest.

Here's a snap shot...

Bingo. That is key...to go by small increments. Tedious, but well worth it to find that sweet spot. This is why it takes me hours and hours to tune a machine because of the small increments and also toying with all the different combos between the core and cache.

Yea the first batches were very unfortunate so I don't blame you. Although things are much improved now, Dell deserves to have had people leave the line all together. Such a shame. I'll be including a lot of this in my review (which I'm working on as we speak) so stay tuned.

You're right. The AW does have great GPU cooling and the msi does have superior CPU cooling, stock. Also, keep in mind that the power limit on the msi is much greater along with it being a mxm card so it'll run hotter, however....that can always be tamed...

 

okay guys quick easy question...bout ready to order an Artic Thermal Pad for the hard drives to replace the stock one that only covers 2 of the 3 drives...i have read different opinions....so should i get the 1.0 or 1.5 size? Thanks in advance....

 

try both, they're pretty cheap and reusable for most occasions


or what you can do is take a measurement of the original thermal pad first, then buy the arctic thermal pad that's most appropriate for the thickness

 

Here you go...

 

Some of my games are getting framerates well below where they should be, and I'm not sure where to start troubleshooting.

Laptop is plugged in
Windows is on High Performance
DGC is on Sport
Running MSI's Geforce drivers

Yet the fps are way too low. For example, Pillars of Eternity is around 60-70fps, when it should be over 200fps, Mechwarrior Online is 35-65fps, when it should be 90-110fps.

But then, Witcher 3 on Ultra is right at the 87fps average that Guru3D's 1070 benchmarks say it should be.

Help me comrades.

 

Do you have Gsync on and/or Variable Frame Rate on? Try turning those off.

 

What are your temperatures?

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Temps are great. 4.0Ghz and +100/+200 I am 76C on the CPU and 66C GPU. I knew that wasn't the issue.

Being tired I did a bunch of things at once:

reset the BIOS
turned off G-Sync
ran CCleaner
switched back and forth, between iGPU and 1070

Suddenly my MWO framerate is much higher, close to 100fps. Pillars also went up close to 50%.

Now I just need to narrow down which is the issue. It's almost 2am though, so I'll see you guys after sunrise.

 

Another thing you can try is to test whether your driver or driver settings giving you headaches. In nvidia control panel, assure that under 3D performance, it is set to "application controls 3D settings" or something along those lines. You can also manually adjust 3D settings and mess with that.

You can either manually apply global settings or you add the mwo.exe and run a dedicated profile for that game.

Here are the settings i found online for someone saying that it runs fine for them.


AO: Performance
AnisFilt: 8x
AA-FXAA: On
AA-Gamma: On
AA-Mode: Override
AA-Setting: 4x
AA-Trans: Multisample
CUDA-GPUs: All
MaxPreRender: 2
Multi-Disp/Mix-GPU: SingleDispPerfMode
PowManMode: PrefMaxPerf
TF-ASO: On
TF-NLOD: Clamp
TF-Q: Quality
TF-TriOpt: On
ThreadOpt: On
TripBuf: On
VertSync: Use3D

Not more I can think of that would allow for high performance in one game and unexplainable low in another.

Maybe you run into power limits with your OC, did u try stock settings on turbo preset in dgc?

Good luck, curious to see what it is. Lucky you, there are some very capable people here in this forum......

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Is that the 17R4 heatsink next to the GT73VR?

 

So is it the power limit or mxm card that makes this 1080 run hotter than the 17R4? I'd love to get my temps down a bit without having the fans be super loud. Looking forward to your results!

 

So for you guys that removed dragon center, how do you control your fans?

Do you just let the bios auto settings drive them?

 

Seeing is believing

MSI OEM nVidia Drivers vs nVidia Drivers GTX1080

MSI OEM Driver Version: 376.39
nVidia Driver Version: 378.49

Room ambient temperature @24 degree

Around 9 to 10 Degree Difference...

 

Use Silent Option

Note: Not Sure it will work on Kabylake but it does work on Skylake...

 

Do you know how current those .39 drivers are? There's some games (like BF1) that won't run with older versions of nvidia drivers and force you to update.

 

I don't have BF1 but I played Watch Dog 2 and no issue at all.....

In video check the behavior of both drivers and see the GPU load in DGC....that's the reason of high temperature....

 

FYI guys, when I logged in to my laptop remotely using TeamViewer, I was able to successfully create a spanned drive out of the 1TB m.2 850 EVO + the 2.5" SATA 850 EVO 4TB for a single 5TB partition

whoever said you can't club diff. type of drives?

TRIM working according to Mr. Porter as he checked his, he has the same setup like me.

 

MSI OEM INFO/Logo for the GT73VR Titan Pro-425 Download

Edit the OEMINFO.reg to your laptop's specific model if it's not -425 like me

place the OEMLOGO.bmp in this folder (create the OEM folder yourself in the OOBE directory):

C:\Windows\System32\oobe\OEM

Example of how your system properties would look like after doing this:

 

What exactly is this for?

 

What you need to answer, is whether performance was identical across both drivers.

 

No performance was not identical across both drivers,

nVidia drivers (100 FPS Average) gives better FPS as compare to MSI OEM Drivers (80FPS Average)....15 Max FPS difference....

 

The "MSI" drivers are just Nvidia drivers, nothing extra, as far as I have experienced - try downloading the same version from Nvidia as from MSI and compare sizes and contents to verify.

 

cannot argue with the experience but there is no 376.39 driver on nvidia website....also the point was if you experience high GPU temp, one of it's reason is drivers....so either use drivers which not hammering GPU to squeeze more FPS (where you don't need more FPS) and keep it running @ good temperature or do not ask why GPU temp is around 80 degree and GPU fan running @ 4000RPM and just enjoy more FPS

Nvidia's 378.49 GPU drivers break hardware encoding in Steam

 

my wild guess this is to put logo in device manager if you fresh install windows 10.....

 

Generally when a vendor has up an Nvidia release that Nvidia doesn't offer, it's a development version that MSI and Nvidia exchange to fix particular bugs reported by the vendor.

This means I'd stick with the top version MSI has, as on the download page for the GT73VR of 376.39, as you have done.

There's no reason to not keep trying new versions from Nvidia as they come out to see if they work for your new games.

If you have new drivers that run "hotter", as you say giving more FPS, then use G-sync/Global V-sync or RTSS FPS limiter to limit FPS - it may be the new driver is "hotter" when running unlimited, but cooler at limited FPS - more efficient for the same FPS.

It's been rare to be stuck at the vendor Nvidia version, I'm usually running the latest version without issue.

Then again Nvidia has been known to mess up a run of several releases with bugs that disable G-sync for example - but I don't use G-sync - I use RTSS FPS limiter, so I can run the latest Nvidia release.

If you use the Streaming Encoder then don't use the version where it's broke, run a previous version, but there are other versions newer than the MSI version available at Nvidia:

 

Excuse me for asking if this is a dumb question, but what is the "logo"?

 

You got it...it sure is.

 

@Phoenix You were right, grizzly thermal paste sucks! At the beginning the temps were great, now I have uneven temps....When idle is fine, but when on load...There is a difference of 10 degrees!

 

Grizzly has several pastes, which one specifically did you try?

 

Hydronaut, but Phoenix used the other one and had the same problem

 

Oh" well. Switch to Kryonat Hydronaut is the medium quality paste from Grizzly. Or maybe try Gelid Extreme if the heatsink is good.

 

There are lots of reports from people that have had success with those pastes as well.

It would be nice to be able to characterize what's the difference in application between your experience and theirs, maybe there's a way to make it work?

What specifically are the issues? You said the temperature went up under load, 10c?

CLU has been known to do that with misapplication - another application of CLU with better coverage has solved that problem for CLU use.

I'd explore the application coverage - when you pull off the heatplate and look at it's underside and the top of the CPU, make sure there was enough coverage across the surface. And, make sure there isn't too much or too little.

Maybe try to apply it again, learning from your first attempt, rather than giving up completely?

If the CLU users had done that they wouldn't have succeeded in the long run as the did

Work to perfect use of this paste, then try the better Kryonaut product?

 

I think that i´m going to try LM!

 

Mmmm Liquid Magic....

 

If you can't get Hydonaut to work, I'd not risk messing around with LM

LM can kill a laptop, and has many times. @woodzstack can attest to getting dead laptops caused by LM application.

 

Very true. Liquid Magic can go both ways. It's magic in being able to kill ones laptop due to improper application and/or magic in allowing the laptop to unleash its maximum cooling potential.

I too have received several laptops where the client had attempted to LM it and...well we'll leave it that. *face palm* So sad...

The user who's wanting to repaste should just go Grizzly Kyronaut. Fail proof for the most part.