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The 6820HK CPU runs maybe 3-5c cooler on stock fan settings while the GPU ran about 7c warmer. I think the main difference is in the EC firmware between Kaby lake and sky lake having different fan curves.

I solved this by setting my own fan profile in advanced settings and now my GPU holds at 77c while playing overwatch at 2560x1440 ultra.

 

you can use 3rd party tool (HD Sentinel) to check drive health or use samsung ssd tool....

Also how you check which drive is Drive 0 and which is Drive 1....?

 

Yikes. Glad you figured it out. Yea, every time there are issues like this, the process of elimination by removing drives and/or RAM is a widely overlooked thing.

 

Intel Rapid storage utility and windows scan utility found no errors. Samsung magician didn't work and neither did a samsung driver I tried installing. They couldn't recognize the drives in raid 0 or just didn't recognize the sm951 nvme drive.

Drive 0 was the default selection for the restore. That didn't work so I selected the other option, drive 1. I assume drive 0 is in the right most slot and 1 is next to it. I'll know for sure after I pull what I think is drive 1 and put it in the other slot.

 

I was about to the point thinking I would have to send it to MSI just to get the OS installed. It took a month to get it back last time when I sent it in to get the bezel repaired, which wasn't when I got it back, so I dreaded going that route again.

 

actually its the opposite way...

far right slot is drive 1 and middle slot is drive 0...

you can check it in BIOS too, if you insert drive in far right slot, in BIOS it shows Drive 1 and if you insert drive in middle slot, in BIOS it will show Drive 0...

 

Well if that's the case, that drive was only a couple months old I think. One I ordered off Amazon. Unless I just have my numbers backwards. I'll find out in a minute. Well no I won't. It's installing the anniversary update.

 

You can find out in windows too, disk management, see which is Drive 0 and which is Drive 1.

 

From what I read this afternoon, Windows determines which is 1 and which is 0, and it can change. On the motherboard, the far right is P1 and the middle is P2. It was the one I bought from Amazon and had in P2 that caused me trouble.

All is back together and right with the world now. For some reason, my SM951 runs better now than it did before.

Back before I added another for raid - https://s27.postimg.org/6750hdyv7/Crystal_Disk_Pre_Raid.jpg
The same drive now - https://s24.postimg.org/xcl84s92d/SM951_single_drive.jpg

 

I don't think I will be messing around with RAID on the laptop, lol.

 

I think I will be looking for one 512gb drive.

 

That happened to me, one of the 128GB M.2 SSD's failed in the first couple of weeks, I found it by splitting the RAID0.

It's a common problem with these cheap M.2 SSD's, there have been several reports for the M.2 SATA drives. This is the first I have heard of a stock M.2 PCIE failure.

 

I hope it doesn't put you off RAID0 completely, I have been running RAID0 on laptop and desktop for years, and this was the 1st failure for me.

Fortunately I had backup's, so I didn't lose anything.

 

That´s what I did! I had a raid on my other laptop for years and never had a problem. 256gb in this one wasn´t enough so i decided to buy a 500gb 960evo. I can´t feel any difference in performance...maybe it´s a little faster

 

This was my first raid. I may try it again. I think I'll wait a bit and see what's in the future. Will Optane work on these notebooks or does it need a different chipset?

 

Here is my RAID 0 setup of my 2x 2TB 960 Pro:

 

I was looking at the 960 Pro today. They are expensive! The regular 960 looks pretty good from the speeds people on Amazon have posted.

 

The new Kabylake model has the CM238, and it's supposed to offer Optane - but the Intel Ark lists this motherboard chipset as Skylake still...

The Optane support is from that 1/2 sized M.2 slot, and so far Intel is only showing 32GB / 64GB cache sized models.

So far I've seen no real world benchmarks with Optane / SSD cache mode throughput.

IDK if the full sized Optane storage will be offered when they arrive. Intel is moving slowly with the Optane rollout.

It's not clear whether the other M.2 full sized slots will eventually support full sized Optane storage drives.

You should be able to run 3x M.2 SATA drives - I have done 3x and 4x M.2 SATA and you hit the PCH limit of about 1800MB / sec with 4x, just a tad faster than 3x 550MB / sec = 1650MB / sec.

On another laptop I did 2x M.2 + 1 2.5" RAID0, with 3 same make / model drives, and I got 1500MB / sec.

IDK if the GT73VR will let you add a 2.5" same make / model SSD to the RAID0, but it would be fun to try

@Diversion has done a mixed M.2 / 2.5" RAID0 with the MSI 16L13, with mixed sizes too.

Please let us know if you give it a try and how it works out

 

You won't really notice the improved throughput with the PCIE drives except for benchmarks and tasks that block on IO most of the time.

Normal apps only use storage IO for such a small fraction of the run time that even a 4x - 6x reduction in IO time won't show up in wall time.

We have reduced the wall time so significantly going from HDD to SSD (10x-12x) SATA speeds that there isn't much wall time left to reduce noticeably.

So you can save a bunch of $ or get 2x-3x more storage for the same $ with SATA over PCIE / NvME.

You can get Sandisk X300 / X400 in 512GB - 1TB pretty cheap, or even Samsung M.2 SATA previous generation models for less.

 

That's a thought. I can get the 850 EVO almost $100 less than the nvme.

 

« Reply #37 on: 05-December-16, 11:45:38 »

• crocop2012
  « Reply #38 on: 07-December-16, 15:12:24 »
  • Quote from: pawkuch on 05-December-16, 18:45:38Hello!
    
    "First update EC, VBIOS and BIOS to newest versions from MSI website, reboot. Look to NVidia panel, if G-Sync is not visible try this:
    
    1. Windows must be installed in Legacy Mode (settings in MSI BIOS).
    2. Reboot and go to BIOS, change to UEFI. Save and reboot. Windows don't start.
    3. Reboot and go to BIOS, change to UEFI with CSM. Save and reboot. Windows don't start.
    3. Reboot and go to BIOS, change back to Legacy. Save and reboot. Windows start and G-Sync should be visible in NVidia panel and IPS panel change from 60 to 75Hz."
    
    "This was so easy ! DONE in 60sec, now i have G-Sync! after i installed bios, vbios, nvidia as said on msi support page , didn't have the g-sync in nvidia panel...... i did a lot of searching before seeing this...
    
    You are the man pawkuch ! genius ! ^^ Thanks a lot!"

@Phoenix - This was for a GT72, but it's the same idea, still looking for where I saw this as a reported fix on the GT73VR

From MSI forums, post #37 / 38, maybe more...
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=274660.msg1586345#msg1586345

Spoiler: see it's this easy :rolleyes:

 

Is this laptop actually HDMI 2.0?

MSI's website says it's 1,4, but someone told me they're getting 4K@60fps out of the HDMI port.

 

Even my GT80S was HDMI 2.0 when MSI called it 1.4, so I see no reason to believe this one isn't.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/nvidia-geforce-drivers-378-57-hotfix.801022/

These are the Geforce 378.57 "have fun" drivers... lol jk they're "hotfix" for minecraft, java-based titles and debug mode etc...

 

wat

 

Lol yeah man a lot of people play Minecraft right?? xD

 

And your old with 2x 512GB 950 Pro You use different STRIPE SIZE now vs. before?

 

Yes that old benchmark was 16K vs 128K now

 

I feel like I am just popping in and being out of context randomly lol

So I tried reinstalling my video driver (clean install) and uninstalled DC and it had no impact whatsoever or the random black screening in SC2.

I tried a test where I started on Extreme graphics settings and came down in steps until something changed and I noticed when all settings were on medium that once the fans held steady on low speed (due to the lack of power needed on medium of course) there was no black screens for 15min straight. I then increased the graphics to extreme 1 value at a time to provoke the black screen. Once I had 6 settings moved from medium (which was all the settings on the left side) to extreme, the fans kicked up to the next stage and at that moment the black screen happened. From there as I increased more values to extreme, the fans stayed at the higher stage (temps completely find sub 60C CPU/GPU) and it would black screen randomly every 3-8min. I find it interesting that it was fine on medium settings but once enough settings where increased that warranted more heat to kick the fans up it started black screening even though temps were fine. I am starting to wonder if my findings about the voltage dropping or increasing is causing video driver crashes like with VC driver 350.xx someone else had before with SC2.

How would I be be able to find out if a driver is crashing during game play?

 

Maybe the middle way is better? Or is the new stripe size what yoou want?

 

Are they any other SC2 players experiencing any issues like yours?

 

Question for GT73 owners. I am sadly having to return my Alienware 17R4 due to repeated unsolved thermal throttling issues and I'm at the end of my return period

My question to you is, does the GT73VR have any know issues? Any thermal, crashing, screen or any issues I should be aware of before dropping almost 3k on this?

 

Can only confirm about GT73 6RF with SkyLake 6th Gen Processor with GTX1080

GT73VR have any know issues? Yes, Possible CPU Fan Noise, (can ask MSI for spare fan which you can change by yourself)
Thermal ? No, Both CPU / GPU Cooling excellent and no big uneven CPU cores temps difference and GTX1070 runs more cooler as compare to GTX1080
Crashing ? None I face so far....
Screen ? It's not IPS, it's TN and may have some level of screen bleeding but MSI says it's normal with MSI line up. ( I have FHD 120Hz @ 5ms with G-Sync)

You don't need to re-paste, stock paste is excellent...

GT73 7RF owner can confirm about KabyLake 7th Gen Processor... @Phoenix

 

When you say CPU noise what's happening? Is it something that gets worse over time or is it bad out of the box? And what kind of noise?

 

I said CPU Fan noise not CPU noise...huge difference

CPU Fan makes "buzzing or rattling" noise at low RPM, most case reported @ 2000RPM to 2400RPM

This Fan noise issue really No Big Deal at all......

Out of the box may be...

I m using this laptop since last 4 months and no CPU Fan noise so far but some user have this problem out the the box and if you get unlucky, just simply open ticket on MSI support and ask for spare fan and they will ship it to you (no charges if you are in USA, UK has a difference policy now, they may charge for fan).

Change the Fan by yourself, which is as easy as 123.....

Note: this fan issue will not effect the laptop performance in any way at all.....

 

Cpu noise?

 

CPU Faaaaannnnn noise......

 

I do, and my brother also has the same problems....It only happens with starcraft 2. You can try it, there is a free version of starcraft and im possitive it will also happen to you

 

Booted up my laptop this morning and the same problem I was having yesterday. I got a blue screen first thing and every time after that, when I get to windows it locks up after a few seconds. Safe mode seems to work fine. I just don't understand what the hell is going on. I ran chkdsk /f and it says it found errors but it says it can't fix them because the the disk is NFTS and write protected.

 

Download Who Crashed and see what the error log say. Google the results

 

Thanks, I'll try that.

 

*raising hand*

I didn't play SC2 for a long time, until the last two days and had the same problems. Everytime this blackscreen appeared, I was able to see a DC error message for a millisecond.
Then I saw, that there are shortcuts for the profiles in DC. In default they are "Ctrl+1"... "Ctrl+4" - shortcuts you also use in SC2 very often. So during gaming, you switch the DC all the time. I thought that this might cause the problems and disabled the shortcut for every profile. I also disconnected the external display, because I moved to another room. And there I was able to play without any issues...
So perhaps it was just coincidence, the DC profiles or the second screen. I will test it again this evening.

 

I'm thinking about to exchange that drive. What can I do then to still be able to do a factory restore?

 

no idea...some one with experience can answer this...

I like to have 1 mechanical drive around, they don't Just die on you......

if you want more space....you can add a drive to sata m.2 slot...if not already....

 

I thought it was DC too as I had an error message once about DC and DC had crashed multiple times during the SC2 black screens so I uninstalled it and reinstalled the latest nvidia and driver but it did nothing. I set all settings to medium in sc2 and it ran fine until I started increasing graphic values in SC2 one at a time to extreme until the fans had to kick to the next stage and that is when it started black screening again. I think it has to do with the load the video card goes through and SC2 only of course. On extreme I think the fluctuations on load levels are greater depending what is going on and that is when something goes wrong and it black screens. All settings on medium I;m sure will cause a black screen eventually but the fluctuations are smaller so it should happen a lot less. I will try to confirm this tonight.

Is there some kind of program that can log if drivers crash?

 

Hey man I was in the same boat as you with my AW17R4 so I feel your pain.

Every laptop model is going to have a few defective units, but thankfully there's nothing as widespread with the MSI GT73VR.

Like @Shehary said there's a few people that got a defective CPU fan that makes a grinding sound around 2500 rpm and a couple guys having trouble with their RAID but other than that it's a great machine.

It does not have inherent design flaws like the AW and the out of the box temps are great.

 

Are you playing in Fullscreen or Windowed mode and if so is your GSync enabled or off along side the question is it on Fullscreen only or both? lol so many questions

 

Yes, I wanted to install a 2TB HDD.

 

@Maineiac12 I haven't seen @kennyman since last one and half week....last he asked for GPU vbios and I gave him the link.....hope he didn't kill the GPU....

 

That's a helpful little program. Most of my errors are caused by memory management. It doesn't tell me what may be causing it though. I just don't get it. Multiple fresh installs with MSI restore usb, Windows restore usb and windows install from windows downloading it and installing. It may run okay and then the next morning I get a blue screen first thing. Seemingly no problem in safe mode though.