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Can't bad RAM cause all sorts of issues? have you tried testing it.

 

What RAM are you using? Stock Kingston RAM?

 

Have you tried it without the second screen?

 

That's what I'm afraid of. I've ran Windows Memory Diagnostic before and it's found no problem. I tried making a bootable usb using memtest86 but I can't get it to boot from the usb.
I finally got chkdsk /f to work and it booted fine after it was done. The only thing I can see is:

Cleaning up 2241 unused index entries from index $SII of file 0x9.
Cleaning up 2241 unused index entries from index $SDH of file 0x9.
Cleaning up 2241 unused security descriptors.

I wonder if something was actually wrong with my other hard drive now.

Yes, the stock under the keyboard that I can't get to.

 

Greetings GT73VR owners! I've recently made a thread regarding what laptop to buy and I finally made up my mind and go with the MSI GT73VR 7RF TITAN PRO-425 offered in HIDevoultion ( http://www.hidevolution.com/msi-gt73vr-7rf-titan-pro-425.html). Before I'm going to proceed with my purchase, I've got some question regarding what components should I choose.

1) Display Calibration
-Yes, display professionally calibrated w/ profile saved to USB drive +$50.00 (should I include this one)

2) RAM (which should I get?) Doing games mostly but would want to be able to alt tab to browse the net and do light stuff like AutoCad and make reports. No video editing, maybe light SketchUp modeling.
-16GB Dual Channel DDR4/2400MHz (2 x 8GB)
-32GB Dual Channel DDR4/2400MHz (4 x 8GB) - installed by HIDevolution +$100.00
-32GB Dual Channel DDR4/2400MHz (2 x 16GB) - installed by HIDevolution +$170.00
-G.SKILL Ripjaws 16GB Dual Channel DDR4/2666MHz (2 x 8GB) - installed by HIDevolution +$70.00
-G.SKILL Ripjaws 32GB Dual Channel DDR4/2666MHz (4 x 8GB) - installed by HIDevolution +$190.00
-G.SKILL Ripjaws 32GB Dual Channel DDR4/2666MHz (2 x 16GB) - installed by HIDevolution +$210.00

3) M.2 PCIe RAID Options (is the RAID 0 worth it?)
-no RAID (1st drive as primary boot drive, 2nd drive as storage drive)
-RAID 0 (Striping - Best Performance) - MSI Super RAID 4 (got a lot of comments of owners here saying their having errors/system failures because of this)

4) M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD RAID Configurations (which should I get?)
if no RAID: (any significant difference with their speed?)
-HIDevolution Approved 512GB M.2 SATA 6Gb/s SSD - Installed by HIDevolution +$94.00
-500GB Samsung 850 EVO (3D VNAND TECH) M.2 SATA SSD - Installed by HIDevolution +$117.00
-Samsung 960 EVO 500GB M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe 3D-VNAND SSD - Up to 3,200 MB/s Read-1,900 MB/s Write +$215.00

if RAID 0: (any significant difference with their speed?)
-HIDevolution Approved 512GB (2 x 256GB) M.2 SATA SSD - Installed by HIDevolution +$107.00
-500GB (2 x 250GB) Samsung 850 EVO (3D VNAND TECH) M.2 SATA SSD - Installed by HIDevolution +$141.00
-512GB (2 x 256GB) HIDevolution Approved M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe SSD - installed by HIDevolution +$225.00
-500GB (2 x 250GB) Samsung 960 EVO M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe 3D-VNAND SSD - installed by HIDevolution +$255.00

5) Operating System Clean Install (do I need this one or can I do this on my own)
-Yes, Clean Install of Windows +$15.00
-Yes, Clean Install of Windows 10 including 32GB Clean Install Flash Drive +$40.00 (is the flash drive necessary?)

Thank you so much guys! Any input on these would really be of help.

 

I would say no to this. Have a 32gb usb on hand and use MSI restore to make a backup as soon as you get it. Then just clean the little bit of bloatware off yourself. You can also do a clean install yourself using windows.

 

1) Yes go for that, I did and the ICC Profile they gave me for my screen is awesome. couple it with the built in MSI True Color app that allows you to change the tone of the screen according to what you're doing, ie. watching movies, playing games, etc, and you get the best of both worlds.

2) I've had a lot of discussion in my order thread about this, the 2400MHz has lower CAS Latency so that's better. Also, to ensure the best compatibility, I'd stick with what MSI offers as the default speed which is 2400MHz because if you do encounter any issues in the future, you need to open up the laptop and remove the motherboard to swap the RAM unless they can stress test the system and ensure the RAM is 100% stable, then you have the option of choosing the 2666MHz. RAM alabeit with a bit higher CAST latency

3) Yes, go for SUPER Raid 4 with 2 identical SSDs. Preferable the NVMe ones like 2x 960 PROs for the best speed

4) In past systems, RAID 0 never made such a big difference other than in synthetic benchmarks but with SUPER RAID 4 on this system, programs like Photoshop, Illustrator, etc, which took like 45 secs each to install, now only take 15 secs each to install, it did make a big difference. In average day to day usage, maybe you won't notice it, but heck, if you have the option, why not

you can always do a clean install yourself later if you decide you don't need although you won't be disappointed with it. I didn't get any issues with RAID 0

5) Not necessary, but the flash disk recovery is, what if you want to restore or install the OS yourself in the future? This would contain the MSI system recovery I think and the cost is not much anyway when you factor in the price of the actual USB Flash Disk

What you must note is that when they ship out the system to you, they do it on that install / configuration, so at least you have a solid base point to return to that you know worked should any issues arise in the future.

 

Thanks for the feedback!

 

Thanks for the feedback! I'm really excited to get this by the third week of February! By they way, did you guys here posted anything about Overclocking the CPU and GPU of the MSI GT73VR 7RF? I am really a noob when it comes to tweaking/overclocking anything. I would want to run the CPU at 4.1-4.2GHz and undervolt it to lower the temps and also Overclock the GPU as much power without getting too hot. Thank you so much for all the help you've given me, even in the previous thread I've made!

 

Hope he's alright!

 

For gaming, the speed increase for raid might not be noticed much. These nvme drives are FAST. Maybe buy an extra m.2 instead?

Steer clear of the clean install. There's very little bloat ware on this machine. You can remove it in a couple minutes through add/remove programs.

 

For clarification purposes, is there anyone who has the recent update to the GT73VR with the FHD screen that has g-sync ability?

I just bought the 425 version off Amazon and since my GT72 had g-sync and the reviews I read on this model indicated it had g-sync, I just assumed that was an omitted detail.

However, with Phoenix's issues, I am hesitant to open the package when it comes as Amazon's return policy is easier if the item is unopened.

 

I'm curious if Gsync was advertised on the one you ordered form Amazon?

I think someone in one of Phoenix's threads had the latest model and it did have it.

 

I had one from Amazon and it did have G-SYNC. I think Phoenix's issues are related to the custom build out of his specific machine and since yours will be the stock MSI hardware and OS out of the box you will be fine.

 

Did the system you ordered from Amazon have one of those "warranty void if removed" stickers across the bottom panel that would tear if you tried to open it?

 

good morning to you, I am desperate and do not know what to do. I have this wonderful LAPTOP MSI GT73VR - GTX 1070 - 32GB DDR4 - I7 6820 - WIN 10. During the game TERA (MMORPG UNDER STEAM), this crashes unexpectedly with BSOD, then the laptop restarts and everything is ok. No Ram error, no logic unit error, but only these unexpected crashes. any suggestions?

 

Download and install the program Whocrashed, run a report, and post a summary of the results.

 

thanks, any secure link? my nvidia driver versione is 376.39

 

sorry for the long summary :-(


Crash dump directory: C:\WINDOWS\Minidump

Crash dumps are enabled on your computer.



Conclusion
8 crash dumps have been found and analyzed. Only 5 are included in this report. A third party driver has been identified to be causing system crashes on your computer. It is strongly suggested that you check for updates for these drivers on their company websites. Click on the links below to search with Google for updates for these drivers:

nvlddmkm.sys (NVIDIA Windows Kernel Mode Driver, Version 369.02 , NVIDIA Corporation)

If no updates for these drivers are available, try searching with Google on the names of these drivers in combination with the errors that have been reported for these drivers. Include the brand and model name of your computer as well in the query. This often yields interesting results from discussions on the web by users who have been experiencing similar problems.


Read the topic general suggestions for troubleshooting system crashes for more information.

Note that it's not always possible to state with certainty whether a reported driver is responsible for crashing your system or that the root cause is in another module. Nonetheless it's suggested you look for updates for the products that these drivers belong to and regularly visit Windows update or enable automatic updates for Windows. In case a piece of malfunctioning hardware is causing trouble, a search with Google on the bug check errors together with the model name and brand of your computer may help you investigate this further.

 

No that's the scary part. If you look at all of Amazon's offerings of the GT73VR, they reference the 120hz 5ms screen and that it is a 94% NTSC wide view panel. No mention of G-Sync. The 4k models obviously don't have the reference to the 94% NTSC wide view panel but there is a reference to G-Sync.

"FEEL THE 120Hz DIFFERENCE
Screen tearing and jitters are a thing of the past with the all new 120Hz panel with 5ms response time. The ultra fast refresh rate lets you react instantly to your game giving you a true MSI gaming experience.

WIDE VIEW 94% NTSC PANEL
The 94% NTSC Panel delivers higher color range, presenting clear viewing from either sides of the screen."

vs with the 4k Pro:

INTENSE UHD+ 4K IPS DISPLAY
More pixels, sharper images, and vibrant colors. The high resolution UHD+ 4K Display takes your gaming experience to new levels with a max resolution of up to 3840x2160, providing unprecedented visuals in the lightest, form factor gaming notebook.

SEE GAMING DIFFERENTLY WITH NVIDIA G-SYNC
See gaming differently with breakthrough NVIDIA G-SYNC display technology. By synchronizing the display refresh rates to the GPU, G-SYNC eliminates screen tearing and minimizes stutter and input lag to deliver the very best gaming experience. Objects look sharper and gameplay is fluid and responsive to give you a serious competitive edge.

 

That's the same thing MSI Told me when I called them:

when I called MSI, the reps there, one of them called Lucas told me, MSI never advertised that on their site and it is NOT GSYNC unless it is mentioned although every review I've seen on this laptop with the screen model you see in my sig state that it is GSYNC

 

I guess I'll ask the stupid question of how is the screen for gaming without G-Sync? I know that G-Sync really works best when you're getting quite below your refresh rate so maybe isn't that key when you're getting high FPS, but I do love it on my desktop regardless and it was one of my desired "Future Proofing" items when considering a new machine (especially since my GT72s had it)

 

it's awesome, the 120 hz / 5ms low response time makes it buttery smooth. the only time where I see GSYNC being really beneficial is maybe 2 years down the line when the laptop cannot keep up with the 120 FPS if a game was very taxing

The screen though and its color reproduction is one of the best I've ever seen

 

I play a lot of BF1 and I reduce my settings when I play online to have the FPS at 120 FPS, sometimes it dips below this and Gsync kicks in.

None of our systems were supposed to have it but so far Phoenix is the only person who doesn't have it. I would open it up and try it out.

 

Yes hopefully if some people have gsync and others don't there will be a fix somewhere down the line. I love my GT72s but the only downside to that machine (with the 980 desktop gpu) was the screen is also a very nice IPS but the response time is a little higher than I would prefer for the types of games i play.

 

That's why I keep around a bootable USB MS media installer for my Windows version. You can boot on it and do a repair session, either the automatic one, or get a DOS prompt and run repair operations from there. Do a chkdsk from it and it should be able to repair your partition.

It can happen when you get a crash, and don't immediately schedule a chkdsk at boot time and reboot to do it right away.

Using a corrupted partition unknowingly for a period of time, and blamo you get BSOD's until you repair the partition.

 

@HardCoreGamer4Life

The only problem with this is that the HID or some other Boutique OS install isn't necessarily the one from MSI, you can only get that from MSI retail package OS image.

So if you can't use the MSI BurnRecovery on the HID or other non-MSI Boutique OS install, you need to get the optional restore USB / DVD from them.

 

You have to do what I did, when I had replaced the stock HDD then needed to do a restore.

1. Back up all data you want to save from the current drives

2. Install the new drive

2. Run the factory restore from a USB.

4. When it doesn't detect the restore partition, you have to choose the option that wipes all drives, then puts a factory install on the boot drive.

5. When it begins the process, it gives you the option to create a partition.

I had it put the recovery partition on the OS drive, so that I am free to move my other drives around as I so desire.

 

From @Phoenix :
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/chi-mei-n173hhe-g32-no-g-sync.800950/page-15#post-10451265

From @Donald@HIDevolution :
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/chi-mei-n173hhe-g32-no-g-sync.800950/page-15#post-10451249

So don't worry about it, it's not wide-spread, it's just @Phoenix 's machine.

In general here is what to do about your particular situation:

If the Amazon listing says G-sync, and it doesn't have G-sync you have a reason for return - you can't tell without opening it

If the Amazon listing doesn't say it has G-sync, and you want G-sync, I would return it unopened - just tell them you didn't notice it didn't list G-sync, since others you have seen have it.

I think @Phoenix 's experience is based on the Boutique build configuration they got from MSI, and doesn't represent the Retail box edition from MSI. Make sure the seller sent you a retail box edition, and it didn't come from a Boutique builder.

If it did come from a Boutique builder instead of direct from MSI, check with them - call them - if you want confirmation of G-sync before opening.

 

MSI has stated that those stickers are a warning, but you are allowed to upgrade RAM / Storage and even re-paste, just don't break anything while you are in there mucking around - you'll be responsible to pay for the damage.

I usually run for a while, at least 2 weeks, to let anything that's going to fail fail before opening up the laptop to make changes.

 

MSI recommends 64k, but those are huge 2TB drives for 4TB total, so I think the increased stripe size might be correct, at least it's worth testing out and comparing against 64k

 

someone here showed me the MSI manual where they recommend 128K for 2x m.2 SSDs bro

it was a screenshot of the manual

 

Then they changed the suggested stripe size from 64k, it's been that way for a long time. Maybe they updated it in recognition of the new larger average sizes for M.2 SSD's.

 

lemme check the manual myself

 

Here's a nice article where they measured the performance difference between stripe sizes, up to 128k, and it looks like the 64k is the "fastest", but the differences are small

SSD RAID 0 Stripe Size Differences (Benchmarks) + RAID 0 Mixing Different Drives vs Same Drive (Benchmarks)
http://www.overclock.net/t/1535527/...ing-different-drives-vs-same-drive-benchmarks

I found the MSI article on setting 128k Stripe size, but it was just a how to do it, not why, it's still good info, so here it is:

Steps to change RAID 0 stripe size
https://www.msi.com/pic/faq/10015790@2014-0415-0209-293804@faq_0000000000402_al.pdf

 

@hmscott

I don't see any recommendations about Super RAID 4 in the manual, just how to setup RAID in the BIOS in legacy or UEFI

 

I would expect the stripe size chosen is how you use the machine

Edit: I would take a chat with Fernando on http://www.win-raid.com/ about Raid setup @Phoenix

 

Actually the rule of thumb is how large the files are and how large the volume determine the CLUSTERSIZE and stripe size.

For the OS disk it's gonna be a small file access - 64k, for the movie storage drive I would pick the large size since the accesses are going to be for larger data sizes - 128k.

As you can see from the stripe size testing, it's all pretty close in performance

 

I know But see my edit in previous post

 

Still, Msi hasn't advertised the model with G-sync

 

Clevo / Asus / MSI did the same thing early on when the displays weren't certified at release, they pulled down the G-sync mentions.

And, with new screens constantly coming in and being offered / sold before Nvidia G-sync certification, it's going to continue being this way - bringing uncertainty whether you are getting G-sync or not.

So far all the GT73VR's have had G-sync, except one... and that's not a retail build.

 

Yes it did and I opened a ticket with MSI to confirm that the warranty would not be voided if I opened it.

Also, when I returned the laptop I removed the sticker completely and was refunded without a hitch.

 

What has been everyone's experience with the killer 1535 wifi card in these laptops?

Mine is fine most of the time but occasionally when I'm downloading a large amount over steam the card will drop connection and say no wifi networks are available. Then I get a red x over the network tray icon which is like the system doesn't detect the wifi card and then 5 seconds later it is back working again.

I have removed the killer bloat ware and I'm running the driver only from their website. The version 1.0.857 is what I'm using and it's from 15 November.

I'm wondering if maybe it would be worth it to grab an intel card? Anyone else done this?

 

Just upgraded to an Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 8265

I was experiencing the same issue myself and when I googled it, I found this: http://en.community.dell.com/owners-club/alienware/f/3746/t/19658353

 

I have had this happen a few times but it only lasts for a few minutes then it fixes itself.

 

As I've been sitting here at my local library (they have fiber, I have **** DSL) trying to download on steam... I've gotten 5.8 Gb done and it has dropped and reset itself 5 times in a little over an hour so far.

 

I bought mine from GenTech and had the MSI Burn Recovery. Are they different?

I ran windows memory diagnostic tool again tonight and it says there is a hardware problem. So back it goes again tomorrow. Maybe I'll get it back in time for my birthday in March.

If it is the ram, I'm going to tell them to remove it from under the keyboard and put it on top where I can have easy access to it. At least I know why all the BSOD's now. That makes me feel a little better .. sort of.

 

@DukeCLR

Something I do with all new computers is to go through and disable all the Windows Sleep and Power Saving options for Wifi, Network, USB, USB Hub, PCIe, etc. Uncheck the boxes and after done, reboot.

Here is someone that tried this fix for the 1535 and it worked for them:

"You don't need to uninstall your drivers. The problem is most likely that Windows is putting the card to sleep. I faced the same issue until I did the following; open device manager, go to network adapters, right click, open properties, power management and uncheck "allow computer to turn off this device to save power".

Here's a link to a longer way to do the same thing but it has pictures: www.stenograph.com/.../How_to_disable_Power_Management_settings_on_your_WiFi_Adapter.htm

Also, it is important that you run a speed test and then open Killer Network Manager and input the upload and download speeds you get in order for it to properly allocate bandwidth: "
http://www.dell.com/support/article/us/en/19/SLN131119/EN

The last part is easy to do, but few find it and do it - it is required to have the correct speeds so the Killer Suite software can compute the timing of packets correctly.

Getting the newest Suite (as long as it's not buggy, get the previous one if it is), setting the upload / download speeds, disabling power management on the devices (Wifi, ethernet, 4GLTE, etc), and disabling power management for networking in the Windows Power Plan in use should catch all the connection dropping "features"

 

If BurnRecovery worked, and it looks like they shipped with the MSI recovery partition format, IDK if it's the MSI image...

Check with your Boutique vendor before purchase (or after in this case), if they used the MSI Retail box OS image, or their own.

It would be weird if they did a combination of both... shipped their own Boot OS, but still had the MSI recovery partition on the HDD.

Did MSI BurnRecovery come on the original boot OS, or did you need to download it? It sounds like it was already there, so that would likely be the original MSI OS image - or Gentech built it like it was. I'd ask.

I think it costs the Boutique extra $$ to include the MSI image...so most throw their own OEM license on.

Gentech should mention that they use the original MSI image in their product description and build page to differentiate themselves from others.

 

I have been using the drivers only package from them directly, I haven't done any tests on it since. I get amazing pings when I'm in NYC and haven't had any issues other then the occasional disconnect. Ill get some quality laptop time Sunday to Wednesday so Ill give the new one a try.