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Tired it, I even uninstall the one currently on my machine and in stalled this one but it will not got 4.0 just 3.19Ghz when maxing the CPU. Stranger yet it I can see it hitting as high as 3.46Ghz before its maxed but as soon as the CPU beings being taxed it drops right now to 3.19Ghz. I don't get it...

 

Stock clocks 3.19-3.2 is normal for 4 core load http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-6820HK-Notebook-Processor.149418.0.html

 

Right, however I have it set to Turbo with 40 at each core so I should bee seeing 4Ghz not 3.19Ghz. Its not doing anything when I change it to Turbo.

 

Can you isolate the NVCP settings to just 1 or 2 that cause it?

Maybe then you live without that 1 or 2 maximum quality settings, or you can partially increase quality on that 1 or 2 that cause the problem and still run without black screens?

 

Not everything is as it should be in MSI 'software Trial and error is perhaps the key word

Software
"We performed all the benchmarks with the Turbo Mode, but we used the Shift mode "Power Options" for all the other measurements. This setting uses the Windows power profile and therefore reduces the possibility of measurement errors (especially while idling). Our test sample unfortunately had a problem with the clocks, and we already know similar issues from earlier MSI notebooks. The CPU was often stuck at 3.5 GHz in the majority of Shift and Windows settings, which represents the multi-core level of the i7-7820HK. In the past, this problem was usually fixed by an update for the Dragon Center. The fan control setting was always the default option "Auto".

http://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-GT73VR-7RF-Titan-Pro-Notebook-Review.189710.0.html

 

Ehh, I just want it to oc

 

try it with bios directly this should work for you.

 

I thought of that too, but I'm not quite sure what to set it too

 

under the oc Option the core to 4.0.
No V Setting the v will automatically set for this.
when you would like to go higher you should use xtu for v Settings this works fine for me with 4.1Ghz.
4.2ghz was not stable but all this i try with the gt72s the gt73vr 6re is at the Moment on route to the rma Service.

 

What about the offsets like voltage and the other things?

 

voltage was not Need to set and other Things i don't set too.
i just set core clock to 4.0 and nothing more.
i run my gt72s more than 1 1/2 year witrh this Setting wihtout any issues.

 

how much are people OCing the 1080? I was going to do +175 core and +391 mem like I had on my crap A17R4 (that I returned for this lol). What would be a good level to set it too?

 

safe levels are 150 GPU / 300 Mem

 

Ask @iunlock - he is an expert.

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I said a few days ago, that I wanted to make a cross test with G-Sync and vSync on again. As I just saw, you did some tests, too.
So I turned G-Sync and vSync on again, but didn't change anything else. I didn't had much time to play, but I had a 3h SC2 session and... not even one black screen at all... That issue is really strange!
I hope, you keep us informed, if you really RMA your NB.

 

Me too. 150/300 is the highest I'll go as anything above that for the most part seems to be unstable. I actually only apply a small OC of 100/250 at times just for giggles as the games that I play don't really need any more help of what it can already can do.

Keeping the memory in check is key (finding the right balance of core to memory for the given chip) as you know more doesn't mean better. Most often times than not it (more) only brings disminishing returns and/or those annoying random freezes/BSOD/restart/unwanted heat....




::iunlock::

 

same here, anything above 150mHz for the GPU on stock voltage wasn't stable for me, and that's on my P870DM3 not planning on overclocking anything on the MSI Titan for a while, let me make sure everything is ok before I start messing things up

 

@iunlock What do you think, if you have messed with it, would be a good 1080 OC settings. I have tried setting it to +175clock and +391Mem

I currently have it running at +175clock and +391mem and it worked for a quick benchmark. I want to do a longer test with it but could it hurt the GPU? should I just set it to 150/300? I got a great TimeSpy Bench of 6971 with it set to what its at so I'm hopping I can keep it lol but I don't want to damage anything.

 

If it can handle great, but refer to my post above.

A big OC = Heat = for minimal to even negative gains for frame rates (consistency).

My (modded) AW17R4 holds more consistent fps in games than the gt73vr does at the same settings. OC and stock clocks.

Then again it all boils down to the silicon lottery. Something we can't help.

::iunlock::

 

Here's my biggest advice.

Fire up your favorite game and apply a small OC on the gpu and work your way up to 150/300 and see if that sticks. What you'll notice is that it takes a lot to even gain enough of fps to where it may barely matter in the real world gaming scenarios.

Remember, more heat can be counter productive in the GPU's performance. Its not about your peak or max numbers, but rather the consistency that matters. Open up hwinfo64 and monitor your core and memory speeds.

As for damaging your gpu... Excessive heat for long periods of time can cause premature wear, so keeping it cool is key. Liquid magic.



::iunlock::

 

Oh for sure. I think I did ok on this one. At those clocks the GPU does not get hotter than 76c. Also the CPU at 4.0 on all cores stays right at 85c after prolonged use and thats with the fans turned down so there not super loud. If I let them go max it stays below 80c but then its a little loud lol. I will say I do miss my 2k display on the a17r4 and I do wish I could have kept it, but after thermal throttling, the bad field tech and their support not understanding plus being at the end of my return period. It was just a bit much to ask for continued patients while they try to fix it.

They should just comp their customers to send it to you hahaha. Problem Solved.

 

Yea haha. If it wasn't for the unlocked CPU I wouldn't even be toying with AW. Things are getting better, but I don't blame anyone that left for other options due to the stuff you've mentioned.

Getting lucky with the lottery is always a nice thing.



::iunlock::

 

Try this.

• Uninstall dragon center
• Uninstall intel xtu
• Re-install intel xtu
• Re-install dragon center

 

I checked 5.1 yesterday with laptop and no luck...no sound on rear speakers, even if select 5.1 in sound setting, it won't show rear speakers in test....my sound system also support 2/4 channel (a switch button behind woofer)...on 2.1 it's working, quad speaker setup not working so as 5.1...

I tried all options when jack plugged in and nahimic asked for type of device....along with right click on sound icon > playback devices > select device > configure and their you can see options for speaker setup.....no luck at all....

 

can you define more about low quality heatsink

I understand uneven but what you mean by warped and generally what you mean by low quality heatsink overall...If LM working on CPU heatsink as many users reported and I compare their temp results and LM does make difference and drop CPU temp (OC) but also agree that GPU it's not making much difference but on other hand we are talking about same system, same type of copper HS, same manufacturer, so it's highly unlikely that MSI make CPU HS excellent quality and they forget the quality when it comes to GPU....?

 

@hmscott

I contacted MSI as you suggested to see if they will provide updated EC firmware and 1080 vbios to 6RF owners...

 

That's about as good a reply as can be expected for a first response

You could follow up with a "Thank you so much for forwarding on my request for a 6RF BIOS update to the BIOS engineers. Please forward on my contact information to the engineers and I ask for a heads up as to their decision and release information when available.", or something like that.

You want to stay in the loop if possible.

Now, if everyone with a 6RF model made your request or a similarly worded request to MSI, the need will register in increasingly higher priority - the squeaky wheel gets the oil

 

Good idea. I'll reply to the ticket with something like that.

Now we need a few more 6RF owners to do the same!

 

count me in....already did open the ticket....more or less same....just eliminating the part that I have tried and successfully installed .108 EC firmware and also updated the vbios...not sure about putting that detail in ticket will be wise choice.....

 

Smart move. Better to not mention that just in case there is a future problem.

I replied back to MSI with a variation of what @hmscott suggested and got a reply 5 minutes later with "noted"

 

Question, is it Save to Update ec to version 108? I have mailed Msi today and they send me After some Mails a link to Download Msi GT73VR 6RE Version.

Can i downgrade to Version 107, when something is wrong?

 

I have a breakthrough it seems but I will answer these questions first.

No, I spent 2 hours turning on and off different options to isolate it and I couldn't. That is what I did, just ran with a few options on max, although on the TV since the FPS caps at 60 I was able to max everything and have no crash because there was no fluctuations in fps. The crashing was much worse while on the laptop screen.

Are your other settings in the Nvidia control panel at default? Other than Vsync and Gsync? Because at default I almost no problems.

 

So last night after my gigantic post on here I went to install a new bios and intel vga drivers, didn't have a spare USB stick floating around so I skipped the bios and the intel VGA driver said I didn't meet the minimum requirements which was weird so I used the Nvidia 376.39 driver from the 6RE driver support page. I used DDU in safe mode to uninstall the driver I was using (376.33) and installed the new driver 376.39 and bam! No more black screens!
I tested the hell out of it too because I didn't believe it. OC'd, non OC, sport mode, comfort mode, all settings at max, no Gsync or Vsync, just Vsync and just Gsync and no black screens in black mesa. The only problem was the subtle flicking in the game menu wtih Gsync ONLY and it also stutters in game with just Gsync on BUT if you I have Gsync and Vsync on there is no subtle flicking in game menus and no stuttering in game, smooth as butter. I don't know why sine gsync caps the frame rate at 120fps because of the 120hz display which Vsync does when on also so I don't know why Gsync has issues until Vsync is on also.... Don't really care though, my black screen problem is fixed.

EDIT: For the record with Gsync and Vsync off (with the 376.33 driver) it would black screen up to 3 times in a row in the test area I use in black mesa and at least once with Gsync and Gsync+vsync on.

Now my only concern is my core temps being so different. at one point 1+2 had a 13C difference from 3+4. It doesn't hold steady there as the next moment they are within 2C and then 5C, or inversed by 2C. I'm not sure if I should be concerned or not or if it requires an RMA but I don't like it. When should I be concerned? It jumps around so much but shows spreads of 8-12C for a few frames which is literally not a full second. Using rivatuner/msi afterburner in game HUD for fps and GPU temp/load and CPU core temps.

 

Question on a memory upgrade.

I am picking up an extra 16GB, would I be better off matching the brand of ram (Kingston) or would getting a different brand with the same specs be OK (crucial).

In this case the crucial is $15 cheaper than the Kingston. Both are 2400 DDR4 CL17. I'm just trying to avoid compatibility issues.

 

@alaskajoel what brand/model of ram did you add?

 

You shouldn't have any issues as long as they are of the same exact spec, but if you have any ounce of OCD then I'd just stick with keeping them the same (brand, type, exact same stick).

I'm majorly OCD so I'd pay the extra $15 and call it a day.

 

I just bought the Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16GB kit on Amazon. It's been 100% reliable despite all the torture I've put it through in the last few days

 

Sorry for the late reply. Yes you can downgrade the ec. I went from 107 down to 105 and back to 107.

 

That's great news about 376.39 curing the G-sync in game black screens

As to the core temperature differential, are you running default Core multipliers?

First thing to do is to set all the core multipliers the same. It doesn't have to be OC'd, just the same.

Then you can run Prime95 small FFT test for a few minutes to get an idea of how different your core temps are, and if any cores are thermal throttling.

For a fair test, run the fans at 100% a few minutes before the test and let them run after the test to cool back down to lowest idle temp before doing a 2nd run.

The auto fan settings are usually too slow to react to the load that Prime95 puts on the CPU, and a lot of laptops will thermal throttle in the first few minutes until the auto fan curve ramps up the fans enough to cool down the CPU.

Those thermal throttle readings do / don't really count - you can tune the fan curve later to reduce the time the CPU is in thermal throttle mode.

Use hwinfo64 logging mode to get samples of all the readings every 2 seconds or so, and you can see what the load / utilization is for each core all along the Prime95 (or gaming run) test.

Then set the undervolt and tune for best undervolt while running Prime95 small FFT, while using 100% fans', you are looking for less than 10c core temp differential, with all cores not thermal throttling.

Have fun

 

it's best to match the RAM. here is the RAM in my system: Kingston MSI24D4S7D8MB-16 2400 MHz.(17-17-17-39)

 

It's always safer to use the same brand / model when matching memory.

You can get spec sheet close with other make / model, but there are intrinsic differences that can cause instability.

It's really not that tough to find the stock memory on sale on ebay as "pulls" or spend a few $ extra to get brand new full warranty memory.

The few $ you spend more for new stock memory will mean it's off your mind while you enjoy your laptop.

 

bro, when trying a 41x4 overclock, I increased the power limit from 200 to 300

what shall I set for the VR Current Limit though?

 

when I got my laptop, the camera wasn't working, seems like it was not connected properly when HIDevolution were changing the lid MSI Dragon logo to red as I requested. they made me this video to show me how easy it is to remove the bezel then I simply reattached the camera cable and it worked

 

No Prob.

i only asking, cause someone mean that it is not possible to go back from .108 to .107

 

Yes I am very happy about the black screen being cured. It wasn't just for Gsync though, it fixed no gsync+vsync also, that gave me the most black screens in a row when it was working unrestrained. I'm wondering though if the the drivers I was using before were just installed improperly (376.33 and 378.49). I will wait until the next driver release before I bother testing again, I will be using DDU from now on!

What do you mean set all the core multipliers the same? I pretty much just use sport mode all the time and there is no adjusting but in turbo mode the DC CPU overclocking sliders are all the same, I can't see why anyone would have different cores at different positions from the rest..?....Unless you mean something else? intel Xtuner? Shouldn't they be the same from the factory?.... It is a little intimidating as I have never really overclocked anything other than a GPU with msi afterburner and that was just mem and core speed.

 

Yup, very possibly a "mixed" component install. DDU lets you start with a clean slate. I also use Nvidia installer Custom and select just Driver and Physx to install - and check the "clean" install box even though DDU did it's thing - ya never know - Nvidia might add a registry entry the current DDU doesn't have yet.

The default Turbo's from Intel are usually just the Core 0 at full advertised multiplier, with the other 3 in decreasing multiplier's.

If you have control over the sliders in DGC - I don't use it - and you can set a Custom profile of your own, you can use that to control the multipliers precisely as desired rather than in the graduations DGC pre-digested ones do.

The idea is that at default Intel's Turbo is lopsided so it will show a high Core 0 over the others - usually though they end up even on 1/2, and either the same or lower again on 3. It depends on the CPU model.

If you watch the hwinfo64 log after a run, you can see all the readings sampled at the same moment, every 2 seconds at default (double check), and then you can see the multiplier, utilization, and current temp - power - etc. Very enlightening.

If DGC is already setting all the cores to the same, then as long as it's not too high it's useful for testing the core temperature differential - best to verify in the hwinfo64 log to be sure.

 

That's interesting, you can install older versions of EC over newer versions installed?

You can't do that for the BIOS - the standard installer won't work, you need to use the /nodate option on the flash to override it.

 

2x Samsung 960 PRO in Super RAID 4 on my MSI Titan Pro 7RF laptop

 

Those are epic speeds. You are approaching the limit of PCIe x4 - not quite there yet, but pretty close.

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I've already ordered and paid for my GT73VR 6RF via HIDevolution, just wait for @Donald@HIDevolution confirmation so they can already work on my order. What are the things you need to do/check on your laptop the second you get it?

1) Do I need to check and update Windows immediately?

2) Can I already plug/charge the laptop? If not, at what level of battery on first usage should I plug it in?

3) Should I drain the battery first before charging it?

4) What tests should I do/run to make sure everything is good?

When you said "make sure everything is ok", what tests will you be doing to ensure that it's already in good condition and you can now do some overclocking?

Thanks bro!