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Yes, GPU-Z does show vrel under Performance Cap but I guess it's normal as you cannot boost the card to infinity with unlimited voltage....there is no such thing.....

 

You are most welcome, yes, I also found Acer and Dell cables with 12pins and good length, I saw a flex cable of MSI but it's not long enough and kind of useless.....not even sure it's 12 pins

as soon as I get some free time from work I'll be ordering the cable, will do this mod and post the result here......I'm sure it will work.....

 

Thanks, i was worried that the full performance being limited

 

Hi All,

I am looking to get the GT73VR, however not sure what would be the better option. Could someone tell me what one of these links would be the better option please?

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/compu...3vr-7rf-gaming-laptop-black-10158955-pdt.html

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/compu...uk-17-3-gaming-laptop-black-10154915-pdt.html

The one that is £100 cheaper seems to have the better processor i7-7700HQ if I am correct in my thinking. However I saw in an earlier thread someone stated that unless the processor goes up to 4+GHz it is pointless with the 1080 gpu and this was in reference to a i7-6700HQ, I am very confused now and advice would be helpful

Thank you

 

The information is all wrong Stealth is GS63 and Titan is GT73 so how become Stealth GT73VR in UK and Stealth 6th Gen £100 expensive compare to 7th Gen Titan....you are confused but I'm totally lost......

 

Yeah they totally mixed up the versions and specs!
I've seen gt73vr's in UK and FR sites with the 6700hq which, in my opinion, is a waste of money since, there is no point in having a chassis and cooling solution that could keep a desktop cpu in good temperatures and use it with a limited cpu that could be a bottleneck for the gtx 1080!

 

It is a bottleneck for the 1080. Hell, it is sometimes a bottleneck for a 1070. But I don't think any 6700HQ/7700HQ GT73VRs exist, thank god.

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I don't know what to believe and how to explain this https://shop.hardware.fr/fiche/AR201609280136.html?gclid=CNXNiJCsnNICFeYp0wodNlYJqg
is it another mixup or a real gt73vr with 6700hq made just for FR?
I have more examples from FR and UK sites!

 

6700HQ/7700HQ GT73VR Models do exist but only for Europe Region........

MSI did launch these models before launching 7RF models like 3 or 4 months ago with the same price tag of 6820HK and increased the price of 6820HK models...

Still you can confirm the specification with re-seller before buying....

 

Oh God, what a waste of power. The 1080 would be pretty much castrated by that processor.

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So do not go for the 1080 with the 7700hq? I can only buy the laptop from pc world in my country as I have a voucher. How bad would it be to get that model?

 

Like @ThePerfectStorm described it "castrated"!

 

I will suggest to speak with pc world before making a decision....I had chance to buy either from UK or US and I bought from US but I spoke with almost all re-sellers in UK and most of them even didn't know what they are selling...so may be the information on website is wrong....give their sale department a call, ask about specification and than make a decision.....

 

I have spoken to pc world and they have stated the specs are what they are for the gt73vr 7700hr. I am obligated to by from them as my voucher will only work with them. I understand when you say "castrated" but could you define this in a more practical manner?

 

What's the SKU number...?

 

PC World does not have that information to hand they said I would have to call MSI as the laptop ships directly from them. I am hoping I can call them on Monday to see if there is an option to upgrade the CPU.

 

@raz8020 ????

 

Sorry @Euwan, the edit option doesn't work very well and I'm typing from a phone!
In some CPU intensive games or similarly demanding software, the CPU will stay at 100% and the GPU just above it's "relaxed" state, limiting your overall performance!
If you only have the "hq" option, go for the RE version with 1070 (if available) so the discrepancy isn't big!

 

@Euwan - as @raz8020 said, if the processor really is a 7700HQ, buy the 1070 model and save money. The 1080 is wasted on that CPU. Just ask @iunlock @Papusan @hmscott @DukeCLR @Mobius 1 @Atma and everyone else on this thread.

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No Thanks for the advice. Really appreciated. I am now looking at this laptop. it has the 1070 but with a 6700hq would this be any good?

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/compu...ro-15-6-gaming-laptop-black-10155792-pdt.html

Not wanting to waste money but as stated before it is a gift card and can't get the cash back so just trying to find the best thing to buy

 

Yeah, that would be quite a bit better. Still not perfect, but better.

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I wouldn't call it a waste of money, he will get more performance from a 1080 over the 1070 in most games even with the stock 7700HQ or stock 7820HK, but in CPU intensive games performance can be held back by the 7700HQ over an Overclockable 7820HK - but only if the owner takes the time to overclock. Otherwise the difference will be smaller.

If you run 4k - 2160p or 1440p then the CPU in high FPS games on 1080p will have less demands on the CPU due to a lower frame rate on higher resolution 2160p/1440p - the bottleneck moves back to the GPU.

I'd get what you can afford and what you will take advantage of. If you get a 7820HK you will be able to OC to 4.0ghz on all 4 cores, or higher, but only if you actually do take the time to OC, otherwise the difference at stock Base Clock and Turbo Clock is only 100mhz, not a large percentage:
http://ark.intel.com/compare/97464,97185

Getting OCD over the CPU for gaming isn't necessary, with a 1080 and a 7700HQ in most games, you wouldn't notice a measureable difference - in fact with G-sync / V-sync at 60hz - 100hz @ 1080 the extra FPS will likely be lopped off the top anyway

 

If you aren't in a hurry, I'd wait for the 7700HQ configuration to come out, or if it is out, pay a little extra to get the 7700HQ over the 6700HQ.

The new Kabylake 7700HQ CPU has 300mhz higher Turbo Clock and 200mhz higher Base Clock over the 6700HQ, which is a larger improvement than the stock performance between the 7700HQ and 7820HK, which is only 100mhz.
http://ark.intel.com/compare/88967,97464,97185

Still, if it's a good buy, the 6700HQ is in a lot of laptops with 1070's, and we don't hear many complaints from owners that it's not fast enough

 

AFAIK, on the GT73VR, OCing to 4.0 GHz is as easy as setting dragon center to 'Turbo'. That is when the real difference will show.

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I'm not saying it isn't "easy", I'm saying from past experience there a lot of people aren't going to do it

This has improved over time, but it's good to point out to a prospective buyer, they know themselve's and what they can and will be comfortable doing, no sense spending $ on something they won't use.

For someone that is asking like this, it's usually that they don't know or don't care or both.

It's a good bet they will be happy with the stock performance on a 7700HQ over spending more $$$ on a 7820HK that they will never actually find time to OC and get that extra performance.

Why make them feel bad and question their purchase over something they wouldn't take the time to do.

Most people just want to unbox and use their computer, they don't want another hobby (tuning), they already have a hobby or usage for their computer time.

 

Thanks now I am even more confused what to purchase. I basically have the 2.5k to spend on the machine. Just to let you know that I mainly play these kind of games.

Binding of Isaac,
Ruse
hearthstone.
Dont Starve.
Civilizations.

I understand that these games are not that intensive but I would like to try some games like BF1,The Witcher, Grand theft or even use VR with it one day. Would the machine be able to handle it smoothly?

Apart from gaming the laptop will be used for general admin tasks and also to run windows server 2012 in a virtual environment.

 

The difference between the 6700HQ and 7700HQ isn't large enough to skip a good deal and spend a bunch more money.

Your performance in those games with G-sync / V-sync won't tax the CPU much, it'll run cool and quiet.

It's only if you are running without G-sync / V-sync with uncapped / unlimited FPS for a shooter or other fast action game that you'd be missing some performance at the top end, but again it's small and likely not even noticeable - only measureable, and that only matters to a few OCD people.

Running unlimited without G-sync / V-sync is going to put the CPU and GPU under maximum load, and run hotter and noisier too (higher fan speed needed to cool), so most people run FPS limited (with something like RTSS) to stop the fan noise by reducing the load on the CPU / GPU to reduce heat generated.

You can spin for a long time waiting for the perfect laptop configuration, but if you've found a nice discount on a 6700HQ and 1070, I wouldn't sweat the few % point's improvement you'd gain from the 7700HQ or an HK OC'able CPU.

Besides, if you were completely happy with a laptop, there'd be no reason to upgrade it in the future

 

When you bring in real heavy load games like BF1 / TW3 / GTA5, you change the need completely from simple low demand games like you first listed.

VM's also can benefit from as much performance as you can throw at them.

If you want high FPS in heavy duty games and VM's, then stop and do some more research, and save up some more $'s before buying.

Or, just get the darned cheap laptop, and game while researching and learning - taking some time to save up for your next laptop upgrade in a year.

You can waste a lot of time waiting, instead of gaming, it's better to game and learn than to wait / waste a year and learn that you shouldn't have waited.

 

@Euwan , it seems that you're stuck between two "not so advantageous" options: gt73vr with 6700hq and 1080 vs gt62vr with 6700hq and gtx 1070, with a 500£ difference!
From what I remember, there are some significant differences (build quality, screen, storage, tb3...) between those two models besides the obvious size! In my opinion those differences are worth the extra 500, since only the gtx 1080 alone has a +400 value!

 

Yooo forget also that this fully locked ****y 7700BGA as well have lower Level 3 Cache than 7820BGA. Aka 6144 KB vs. higher 8192 KB.
For me is all these totally unwanted soldered processors intended for Apple similar product or routers, castrated. But fully locked 6700 or 7700hq is the bottom of the bucket. Perhaps beaten by 6300 or 7300Hq Yeah, Intel and the OEM's knows how to scam you.

 

Lol thanks for all the advice guys so what I have summed up is just get the gt73vr 1080gpu with the 7700hq?

 

As well lack 7700hq Clear Video Technology for MID vs. 7820hk Sorry, the opposite

Edit:

 

Hell yes!!

 

Thank you will feel a lot better about my purchase now

 

Intel® Clear Video HD Technology
https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/w...visual-technology/4k-display-pc-overview.html

The 7700HQ has both Intel Clear Video and Clear Video HD
http://ark.intel.com/compare/88967,97464,97185

 

As above.

 

See, Intel "values" them the same

 

Yeah, Intel "values" them the same and mean the price is fair, although 7820BGA have 33% more cache than the Intel Core i7-7700HQ. Yeah, Nice


Yeah, Pay more, but get less!!

 

Everything I am hearing is suggesting the 7700hq is crap lol hard not to worry

 

get an HK processor and call it a day, be smart, be like Phoenix........

 

It would be great if someone that has the gt73vr 7rf would be willing to do a comparison in high and medium CPU intensive games: with the clock locked at max 7700hq level vs max stable OC or 4.1 since that seems to be stable for most.
After this, we could have an estimated result, for how much advantage in fps does the 7820hk have vs 7700hq in games!

 

It's all crap to be honest.

It's far more enjoyable to go outside to have a nice walk in the fresh air, and forget the whole manufactured mess.

It's all based on creating a never ending dissatisfaction - the never ending almost attainment of a potential perfection that exists somewhere out in the near future.

Unless you dive in and enjoy what you have in the moment, it can all be more of a constant irritant than an enlightening enjoyment.

Choose to enjoy and be satisfied with what you have right now, and you'll always be happy

 

It's been done before many times over the years, and there is little or no noticeable difference. A small measureable difference, but nothing you would notice.

Can you find a specific application or game that would be slightly noticeably improved?, possibly, but 99% of what you do will be just the same.

With G-sync / V-sync enabled, any top end improvement will be totally wasted.

Certainly far more time has been wasted debating vs any time actually "saved" by using the "faster" CPU.

 

According to notebookcheck, the aprox. difference is 8% avr. and up to 14%, comparing the gt73vr 6re (with a slight OC) vs gt62vr! It would be interesting to know for the gtx 1080 just to have a better estimation for price/performance!
Some (that will use it mostly for gaming and not rendering or other productive purpose that benefits from CPU power) could save money if the difference is not significant enough to justify the high prices for the 7rf with 1080 in EU!

 

Well the 1070 is about 25%-35% slower than the 1080, so if you have the money for the 1080 buy it because it's faster, and if you only have money for the 1070, then buy it because it's what you can afford

 

The GT73VR can have a 1080, but the GT62VR / GT72VR can't, so if you want a 1080 then get a GT73VR.

The GT62VR / GT72VR and GT73VR with the same CPU and GPU will be about the same performance.

But, the GT62VR only has 1 M.2 and 1 2.5" storage bay, vs the GT73VR with 3 M.2's and 1 2.5" storage bay. So if you need more ports for storage, then get the GT73VR.

The GT62VR / GT72VR has an Optical bay - with only a DVD this season, no BDR factory option - but you can swap in one yourself. And, the GT73VR doesn't have an Optical bay.

The GT62VR / GT72VR are dGPU only, no iGPU - shorter battery time. The GT73VR has a MUX switch to switch between dGPU and iGPU for longer battery time.

The extra $ for a 1080 GT73VR vs GT62 / GT72 w/1070 is well worth it. Especially if you shop smart and patiently wait for a good deal to be offered.

If you can only get a 7700HQ, that's ok. If you can get and can afford a 7820HK, and plan to spend time OC'ing, then get that.

It's all pretty cut and dried, simple and clear

 

be smart, be like hmscott

PS: correction, made, see strikethrough in the above quoted text

 

Thank you for your assistance