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If you have a problem with one game...flashing vbios will be biggest stupidity...that guy who shared vBIOS has crash problems with all games and in the end he reached at conclusion that there is hardware problem....

 

No, we have problems with different games.
On the other site: what we have to lose? Are there any considerable risks?

 

No there is no considerable risk...only just 0.001 percent chance if things go south you will end up with dead GPU and than have to do all the hassle to bring it back to life......

Make sure you take backup of original vbios using GPU-Z tool before flashing ....

 

That said, some of these OEMs try to scare you. As long as you do not break anything when you're trying to fix something inside your machine like upgrade hardware or cleaning inside, they can not deny you to fix your computer for free later as long you have warranty. Give a damn in these mendacious stickers. They're going nowhere. They can't screw you. They know they're not going anywhere with denying you free Repair as long as you have warranty!!

 

I can't, that VBIOS is for the GTX 1070, I have a GTX 1080

 

@Phoenix what's your CPU OC max temp....?

 

@Phoenix,

just to check my settings for a stable 4.2Ghz OC on the i7-7820HK, I have the following:

Core Ratio 42x (for all cores)
CPU VR Current Limit 400 = 100A
Power Limit 1 = 230
Power Limit 2 = 230
Uncore Ratio 36x
CPU Voltage offset = -0,100
Cache Voltage offset = -0,100
FSB = 10035 (in bios to change to 10033)

Any other parameter in the BIOS that I need to change from default?

 

The key with OC'ing GPU/VRAM, is to OC the Core first until it's unstable, then backoff until it is.

Benchmark before / after OC settings changes to see if there is any benefit in performance to the higher Core setting, if not back off the setting until you see a drop in performance, then bump it up a little.

You want to balance the OC between stability and performance advantage - usually with the Core they are the same setting.

After OC'ing with Core, then move on to OC'ing VRAM - with the Core set back to stock.

The purpose of this is to find the highest independent OC values for Core and VRAM, because on some GPU's you won't be able to set both to their highest value at the same time - you need to choose which to elevate and which one to drop down to lower than optimal setting value.

After you find both values, set them both at the same time, and hope it works.

Test for performance advantage, drop the VRAM setting a little and look for a drop in performance (or an increase), and keep dropping until you loose performance by dropping it.

If a VRAM setting makes no difference to performance results, keep dropping until it does. Keep the Core setting at maximum value.

With some GPU's VRAM doesn't make much difference over a certain value, in the case of Pascal the memory is already so highly clocked, you might not see much of a difference at all, if so then run at stock VRAM setting.

Have fun

 

Good methodology! Agree with u 100%

 

Are you using the intel extreme tuning? I've never OC'd before so I just set the voltage down to lower temps. I changed nothing else, just cpu voltage offset which I think auto changes cache voltage offset. I also have the 6820, not the 7820.

I haven't played BF1. Did you play with any settings in the Nvidia control panel? Are you fullscreen and using Vsync/Gsync?

 

I have played a lot of BF1, I have tried many different settings and I have found that I get the best results with the following settings.

In NVCP, Gsync on Vsync fast. I use a 120 FPS cap with RivaTuner SS. In game I have Vsync off and play in fullscreen mode. I turn most of my settings on low to get the best performance and the least amount of input lag. As it is set now my CPU/GPU hang in the %70 area with good temps.

 

Well I was asking ravenrocha to see if I can replicate the problem in other peoples GT73s with the 1070. Because if I can't that means I have a hardware issue. Seeing as though the msi driver fixed my issue I don't think it is though. I noticed that some games will do it and some won't, I have noticed that the games it does do the black screen is when there are fps drops and jumps with all setting set to max quality in the nvidia control panel, with or without Vsync on, just takes longer for it to black screen with Vsync on depending on how easy it is for the 1070 to render it. Black mesa was the best test game as there was a consistant black screen area for me.

I see BF1 should run around 120 fps. Can you try maxing all settings in the nvidia control panel and turning gsync/vsync off and seeing if it black screens? I'm assuming it will be in areas that are the toughest to render so if you noticed any place that has any fps drops can you go there and see what happens? Unless of course you have already experienced the black screen flash issue and you use your settings for that reason.

 

Sure I'll play some BF1 in the name of science. I'll max everything, I'll use my GamerOC profile, and turn Gsync/Vsync off. What do you mean by maxing out NVCP?

 

@Fridgeboy

OK, I just tried maxing out in game settings with both Gsync and Vsync off, I rode a horse around an empty outdoor environment, Below are some stats. I had no other issues but I may have to test it a bit more. I this what you were looking for?

 

In the Nvidia control panel change the settings to maximum quality. In the "manage 3D settings" tab. Change... Ambient occlusion QUALITY, antialiasing - FXAA ON, antialiasing transparency X8, multi-frame sampled AA ON, texture filtering - negative LOD bias CLAMP, texture filtering quality HIGH QUALITY

Whenever I have a black screen issue it is always with these parameters. doesn't matter with Vsync on or off, just black screens faster in heavy rendering area with vsync off.

What I'm looking for is if the game will go black for a couple seconds and then come back as if nothing happened, if you are doing this through HDMI, the sound will not come back on the TV until a restart but no issue with sound coming back when using the laptop screen

I haven't played BF1 so I do not know if it will have an issue. Witcher 2 does it during cutscenes with those settings with vsync on/off and black mesa, SC2, Diablo 3...etc

 

I'll give all that a try.

 

OK thanks, I'm assuming you are using 378.66?

 

I tried all those settings and the game locked up while attempting a barrel roll. and yess on 378.66

 

@Fridgeboy If NVCP all maximum settings works on all games then IMO nVidia doesn't need to release driver updates for next 10 years.....

The burden of game optimization has been shifted to nvidia / amd long ago and Game Developer doesn't optimize games anymore.... that's why we see update drivers when a new game comes out or about to come out with label game ready drivers....if you are familiar with nvidia inspector, download it and check inspector profile and see there is a long list of games in it and each game has different level of optimization and each game's optimization doesn't work on other game in most cases and if you try one's optimization on other game, it will crash or freeze or locked up or black screen....what you are trying with these settings "Ambient occlusion QUALITY, antialiasing - FXAA ON, antialiasing transparency X8, multi-frame sampled AA ON, texture filtering - negative LOD bias CLAMP, texture filtering quality HIGH QUALITY" very rear one game does fully support all these settings at all....

 

Thanks Duke, I've never had a lock but sounds like you instigated an error as I have with the games I have tested on.

I see your point, the only reason why I hesitate to accept that theory in this case is because I tested the hell out of black mesa with 3 different drivers and they all did the same thing EXCEPT for the nvidia driver found on the MSI support page. 376.39 completely fixed my black screen issues with all those settings maxed. I am relatively new to playing with settings like these as my old 660m was so weak I had to set everything to performance.

What I am curious about is if the nvidia 1070 I have also has the memory issue that the early desktop 1070GTX cards have where the manufacturer has to come up with their own fix... POSSIBLY why MSI's own driver fixed my black screen issue.
I can't disagree with anything you said directly as I am not knowledgeable on the subject but as I see it, the game ready drivers for whatever game they are released for are tweaked for that game at the internal level in how the GPU handles the new game, or else there may be crashes or performance issues with a new game language. As I see it, all the NVCP does is add or remove extra "pretty tweaks" for a better picture for powerful systems or more performance for weaker systems . While I can set ambient occlusion to quality or performance, if a game doesn't support it, it does not have any impact be it on or off in the NVCP and you can see this if you go to program settings for an individual game (or program), if it is not supported it will be faded out and say not supported for this application.

Here is a link to the issue:

http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/gtx-1070-memory-issues-firmware-fix-evga-palit-gainward/

If you read the comments, a few mention about low memory coming up. I too have had that when it black screen flickered but not every time. Like I said, it is very interesting that the MSI driver stopped the black screen issue. I would need to download GPU-Z and see if I have the memory from micron.

I may also be incredibly incorrect about everything I said lol but until someone can show or explain why the MSI driver worked and the rest have not so far, I am inclined to believe it is a driver/possible hardware problem. I don't mean to insult your knowledge on this Shehary.

 

anyone else have a problem with their gtx1080 getting stuck on low clocks, my mem clock keeps getting stuck around 800mhz after 2 hours of not playing games.
This does go away when i restart but just want to see if there is something wrong with gpu as i just got the laptop.

 

Does this drop happen when coming out of sleep and / or hibernation?

What causes the drop?

 

not sure, does it when ive been idle for 2 hours ish

 

But you don't go into Sleep or Hibernation and come out? It's just running and powered?

That usually indicates a driver crash - sometimes the notice doesn't show up - the speed just drops and requires a reboot to fix.

That's kinda what this is sounding like...

Maybe run stock clocks for a while, and then redo your tuning to find a stable point.

Also check your NVCP Global/Program 3D settings and try another Power setting, if you are on High Performance try Optimal or Adaptive - or?

But, if you are seeing the GPU enter "Safe Speed" mode like from after a display driver restart it might be your OC tuning settings aren't stable, or if you are running stock settings - it might be a bad GPU.

 

Basically heres the issue as I had the same things rma and bugged the shat outta msi while rma was in process. When the notebook gtx1070s were 1st debuted and tested they had a certain chip inside gpu. Since then msi has switched it to a Samsung chip and the setup between the mobo bios and gpu bios wasn't jiving right. With my rma all they did was flash a new bios to each and it runs perfect now. But Mine would be ok sometimes w some games but mostly Id get big verticle black lines n blobs and it'd just freeze n crash. Glad its fixed.

 

no i dont use sleep or hibernation, just browsing and power from the socket, I will wait for it to do it again and look what it says in event viewer.
I'm using optimal at the minute

 

I just reinstalled nvidia drivers with windows driver foundation on automatic hopefully that sort it out if its a driver issue just tried bf4 was getting better fps

 

anybody planing to re-paste both CPU / GPU in near future.....need some information.....

 

Just caved in and bought some Kryonaut lol

Will probably repaste when I got home from work

 

looks like my luck is on it's peak....

Just need measurement of both CPU / GPU copper thickness....I lapped heatsink but I don't know how much I lapped so only way to find out is to compare lapped HS thickness with stock HS...

just need to know the thickness (height) of copper pieces of both CPU / GPU.........

if by any chance you get the snapshot with scale on it...will be more helpful

Thanks alot

 

I recently just purchased a GT73vr titan pro 425 after reading this thread and @Phoenix thead.
Full disclosure, I had an Alienware 17R4 w/gtx1070 and returned it due to lackluster performance and heat.
After a little app clean up in Windows and just a little OC'ing, I was able to achieve this Firestrike score of 18499.
I'm still on stock paste. I think 19k is achievable with a repaste, just amazing we can get this type of performance in a laptop!
Thanks to @hmscott and @Phoenix for all their great posts

 

Where did you get it from bro

 

lol what you do lap a cm off?

Overclock the CPU to all cores.

 

in short.....Stock CPU HS had scratches (I shared the pics but it's like 3 months ago) when I pulled it off for first re-paste, Spoke with MSI but they denied my claim by saying "It will not effect the performance" where I was concerned that It will scratch the die and with denied claim no choice left, I had to lap it to remove the sharp edges of scratches, 3 scratches but it's more like deep cuts....first lap made the HS uneven.....10 degree core temp difference.....then I had to lap it again which bring down the temp difference to 5 to 4 degree and then lapped again (proper way) to fix the uneven temps now 1 to 2 degree difference...right now it's in perfect shape but I've no idea how much I lapped so want to know by comparing it's thickness with stock CPU / GPU HS....

I'm planning to re-paste with LM....

 

I picked it up from Xotic PC by way of Amazon

 

You didn't reply but for the record I just black screened again with the witcher 2 with all settings set to default application controlled in the NVCP. I will now download game inspector and see what it recommends and see if helps

 

Users who got black screen or "... has stopped working" maybe try to select "Override the scaling mode set by games and programs" in Nvidia Control Panel.
It's located inside "Adjust desktop size and position". This solved my MSI 1070 from randomly quitting games and giving black screen.
If it's not hardware/overclock related, it might help.

Edited: forgot to mention, I also selected "Disabled display scaling on high DPI settings" for Steam.exe and turned off Steam Overlay.

 

welp scratch that lol... i guess it'll be delayed since i forgot to buy the paste lol.. i was like wheres my tracking info and check amazon and it was still on my cart.. rip

 

Ok will give the scaling mode disabled a shot. Overlay shouldn't matter for me seeing as it happens in non steam games also.

I can't even get close to that with my 6820. Best still is -0.55, I've had -0.90 work if I activate the stress test quickly but it crashes when not performing a stress test. I returned everything to default and left it at -0.55 for now

 

I've got a new problem... True Color said, that it cannot load the profile and exited, everytime when I started Windows.
So I re-installed it. There is nor error message anymore, but when I change the profile, there is no change for the display... The display is on standrad color settings and that looks really awful... How can i get back my sRGB profile from True Color, which was really great?
I tested the icc profile that was posted here, but it's much too dark for my display.

 

1) turn on UAC, I noticed True Color doesn't work well if UAC is not on then reboot

2) Uninstall True Color from the Programs & Features, then delete the following folder:

C:\ProgramData\Portrait Displays

now reboot

3) Install True Color again then reboot

4) Enjoy, if it doesn't launch the first time and gives you an error, wait for a minute then try launching it as admin

 

CPU @ 4.2 GHz / Cache Ratio @ 4.0 GHz
GPU Core @ 200 MHz / Memory @ 350 MHz

Fire Strike - GTX 1080 (378.72) CPU 4.2 GHz-GPU OC 200-350 [W10]

 

aahh, no issue, I'm in no hurry....

thanks.....

Actually I think I found a way to know the thickness of both HS copper..

CPU HS Copper thickness is 2.0mm
GPU HS Copper thickness is 2.5mm

though still need confirmation...

 

Very very good results Phoenix!! Congratulations.

Mine are a little more modest, because I have a GTX 1070. The the CPU OC e GPU OC exactly the same values as you, I got 15730 in Fire Strike

 

very impressive for GTX 1070 man! that should play any game with ease. don't let the synthetic benchmarks make you feel that you have a worse GPU. it is capable enough for what you are doing

 

Thanks man!!! I'm more then happy with my machine. Its the best laptop that I had until today. I also have a ASUS G75VX, but this MSI is far superior in terms of OC capabilities. I never thought that was possible.
I have a PC with 2xGTX 1080 in SLI, 64gb DDR4, 4x256 Samsung Pro 850 Raid 0 and i7 5930K (6 cores) OC to 4.2Ghz with liquid cooling, and this laptop, in one of the AIDA64 FPU benchmarks, gives just a little more then my PC. Ok, its only in this particular test, but its something

 

what I love about this machine bro is, I never hear the fans even while overclocked to 4.2 GHz Core / 4.0 GHz Cache! Its cooling is that good! probably the best cooling design in any laptop. Beats the cooling of the overheating Alienwares any time of the day!

 

Yes, very very true. And also, if u really need a fast cooling, just press the button and your laptop will fly!!!! Ok, in this case will make a lot of noise but will cool everything down

 

@Phoenix,

did u see a previous post that I did asking u about ur BIOS settings for OC the CPU @ 4.2? Everything that I put there is like urs settings?