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my PL1 & PL2 are set at 200w and tdc is 0 and disabled
but now my clocks are dropping after 15 seconds of the aida stress test without throttling

https://postimg.cc/image/njd49d9qp/
check the image out of aida 64 please

 

Is VR Current Limit set to 800 still?
Post a screenshot of your bios screen of Power and Performance->CPU VR Settings->Core I/A Domain please.
(take a picture with your phone).

You can upload the picture to "Imgur" <--google this.

also, please run Throttlestop 8.60 and press the "LIMIT" button (the very first time you press the limit button BEFORE running aida64, there may be yellow boxes; press the cpu/gpu/ring buttons to clear them before running aida64) and take a screenshot of it when the clocks drop in AIDA64 please.

 

Temperature throttle maybe. When I did this to my GT63, temperatures were climbing really fast (5 seconds or less under CPU full load). At 95°C, temperature throttle kicks in and cpu clock goes down to 3.1Ghz and sometimes 2.8Ghz (it is progressive. Not a sudden drop).

I am not really sure if a simple repaste would help to control the temperatures properly. The Colling system is not good enough to deal with "unlocked" tdp.

I am getting better results with stock bios settings along with UV.

 

This has the link with all images you asked for.

https://imgur.com/a/w68sowY

 

Yes is stable, never got a crash in games with that settings...but i not tried pushing more.

 

Ya but my temperatures didnt hit higher then 85 and
Clocks dropped down to 3920 and stuff without thermal throttling

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Having a really bad time rendering my Cinema 4D animations please help me out
pending client projects

Really need help

 

Please check @Falkentyne suggestions. Having these details we will be able to help you out

 

Check out my link

https://imgur.com/a/w68sowY

These show the settings i have done with Falkentyne's suggestions please check it out

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You did not post the Throttlestop picture that I asked for, with the "LIMIT" box open *WHEN* your CPU starts throttling.
I explained this perfectly already. And again when you FIRST open throttlestop (BEFORE YOU RUN AIDA64), press the limit button and "clear" any yellow marks under CPU/RING.

The AIDA64 window is useless to me. I can't even see what's happening.

And how did you enter "200000" into the bios?
On the GT73VR and GT75VR, entering "200000" is invalid.
You have to enter the actual value in watts, e.g. "200"

Did MSI change that? Looks like they may have.

Three questions.

1) did you EVER have Dragon Center installed?
2) please take a picture of the throttlestop 8.60 window open with the LIMIT box open.
this is IMPORTANT !! Remember, BEFORE YOU RUN AIDA64, press the "limit" box and clear the yellow marks under CPU and RING.
Then keep it open then run your aida64.

I need the throttlestop window with the "LIMIT" reasons open when your CPU speed drops. Take a screenshot as soon as you see the CPU speed dropping *WITH* the "LIMIT" button open.
TS will also show it too.

I cannot help you further until you do this.

Throttlestop

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/

 

I am so sorry
here is the picture with limit reasons window open and i screenshot it exactly as the clock speeds dropped

here is the link

https://imgur.com/a/jX0rKik

if your checking it out on mobile and cant see it clearly then

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jCfUAmr9gve1xhc4qUv8RreKtlvqkakQ/view?usp=sharing

 

I hope this time I have done it right

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Seems that 45w tdp limit throttle (aka power throttle) is kicking in.

How many seconds after starting the stability test do you see the performance drop?

 

12 seconds approximately

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On my 8750h the tdp limit kicks in after around 50 seconds if no previous stress happened for more than 1 minute.

Seems to be your case. Do you still have msi dragon center installed?

 

Nope its uninstalled it

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And by checking your bios screenshots followed by your comments, it seems ok.

Let's see what @Falkentyne says.

 

Yes really waiting for that im super stressed out about why its happening
all my Cinema 4D renders are kept pending and this machine is the only thing i have got with me
really stressed out....


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But is still works well as far as I can see. Instead of sustaining 4.1Ghz it goes down to 3.2Ghz due to the tdp limit.
It is working as per design, but I agree that it is complicated when you were expecting sustained 4.1Ghz.

Only TDP limit "hack" to help you with sustained CPU turbo speeds. Be careful about your cooling system capability after unlocking the tdp.

 

But b4 i had done the tweak on my system and it was holding up to 4.3ghz after 15 min of aida 64 without thermal throttling then i dont understand why is it falling down now

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Try to revert all to original values and try again.

Sorry for asking, but why do you want to unblock the tdp if it was holding 4.3Ghz for more than 15 minutes (permanent cpu top turbo speed)?
What's the goal?

 

IT WAS IT ISNT ANYMORE
when i had done these settings the first time when i had got the laptop after i finally completed doing the tweaks i ran a test and it managed to
but now i see it dropping suddenly dont no how
No settings were changed after it had managed to hold 4.3 ghz


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Your actual clock speed and voltage in games is 1911MHz @ 0.9V?

 

Ok so i solved the issue now the prob is if i dont start TS b4 stress test then my clocks remain 2.9 thats it any idea why

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Are you on AC power or battery power?
You should not be getting TDP throttled like this.

Can you do a few things for me?

go into your Bios and set power limit 1 and power limit 2 to "200" instead of 200000
Save and then run throttlestop again with aida64 stress test.

Post a screenshot.

If you still get the red throttle (still post a screenshot), I want you to download prime95 29.x from https://www.mersenne.org/download/

Install prime95.
Go to the prime95 folder, and find the file LOCAL.TXT

Edit local.txt and at the top, add this 2 lines:

CPUSupportsAVX=0
CPUSupportsFMA3=0

Then save it.

Then run prime95 with these settings.

STRESS TEST--> CUSTOM FFT size 1344K (min and max FFT size set to 1344)
And check the box "Run FFT in place".

Use 100% fan speed (always), run it, post throttlestop screenshot with LIMIT box after 1 minute.

So I want 2 screenshots.

Thank you.

ONE FINAL THING.
please.

Please download RWEverything.

http://rweverything.com/download/

Download it, install it, run it.
Click on the EMBEDDED CONTROLLER (EC) button.
There will be a hex grid of 256 numbers (in hexadecimal).

Please post a screenshot of this for us.

Thank you!

@Papusan is going to be vomiting mad when he sees a MSIbook throttling a 8950HK to 45W.

 

The problem is back again
Again its dropping down to 3945 dont no how
@Falkentyne

 

Thank you soo much I am gonna do this for sure
Thanks alot ️

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Hi gang! Back here after a year with a CrapBook 15" I bought for 3D rendering and photo work. I really miss the high end notebooks (I mean gaming in my work time ) and i've been looking at the GT75 for a while, after owning a lot of Clevo's in the past the keyboard's is just not up to date anymore. This machine seems like it checks all the boxes. Anyways i've read through all the posts and would like to especially thank @Phoenix and @Falkentyne for all the useful info thus far

So to my questions:

1. Any news in regards to MSI to release a BIOS witch actually works with the parameters discovered by @Falkentyne ?

2. I'm gonna have to order this from my own country for company tax purposes although if I could, I would definitely buy from @Donald@HIDevolution. So if MSI won't update the crippled BIOS a modded BIOS from the likes of Svet is required for the laptop to actually work as intended? And when I say as intended, I mean that I already have a airfryer, I don't need that function on my 3,6k laptop

And thanks again for a awesome thread, as usual high quality stuff in these forums!

 

MSI will release such a bios when hell freezes over.

Do you have any idea how many phone calls I made, how many emails I made and how much I asked for MSI to get off their high horse and start making their laptops actually work properly?
I have see absolutely ZERO cases where someone had instability with IA AC DC loadline set to 1, at the CPU's *maximum* turbo ratio (meaning: no unofficial overclocking). Zero. Zero drawbacks.
There is ZERO reason for battery boost (NOS) to exist. it seems as if it may indeed be some sort of government regulation, according to that facebook chat I had, where a MSI engineer explained on the phone why MSI uses battery boost, and also that it's the zener diodes that trip the power system when a certain amount of load is reached at a certain amount of amps (it can either reach 100C and thermal throttle, or it can trip at 94C, 92C or lower (running FMA3/AVX prime95 small FFT at 4.7 ghz @ 1.275v will instantly trip the zener diodes and the laptop will shut off instantly). It's because of all of this BS that I decided to give two ways to unlcok the laptop; the 4 key unlock combo in the MSI thread by Paloesco, or the FPTW64 / AMIBCP 5.02 method which will always work if the unlock combo is changed again, at some risk (Svet on MSI forums can always unlock all menus for a donation).

I'm done with MSI and BGA. Just waiting for the 9900K to release so i can decide whether it goes into a Clevo Tm1 or the "RTX" successor, or into a desktop.

You know what's sad?
There is some strange sort of countdown timer at EC RAM register D7, that trips the Zener diodes.
A value of 01 or 81 trips it instantly.
00 is the same as 80.
Setting the "max" value of 7F or FF causes some sort of countdown like a bomb ticking. when it reaches 01 or 81, your laptop shuts off

Go ahead and try it. Somehow the zeners get triggered by the EC.

Download RW everything.
Install it
Click the EC tab
go to EC RAM register D7
change the value from 00 to 7F or FF, then sit back and wait.

Want more fun?
how about making your laptop shut off 1/4th of a second after you power it on?
Yeah good luck getting out of THAT boot loop!

Go to CPU VR settings
Set PS Current Threshold 1, 2 and 3 all to "255"
Save and turn your laptop off.

And watch what happens when you turn it on
(Please don't do this. Just don't. If you're stupid enough to do this I don't want to hear about it. YES I TRIED IT. I was afraid it was RIP).

Titan owners should be able to recover from this by holding down the power button for 60 seconds, then waiting 3 minutes.

GS65 users will have to pull the CMOS battery.

P.S. MSI can pull 230W of GTX 1070 TDP directly through the MXM port. Yet they cap their 1070 at 115W.

 

Haha just as i expected! Well on my last Clevo I had Prema Mod and it was stable as hell, still a BGA crap but with prema magic power. Well MSI is no better than others in regards to this topic... SAD!

Thanks for a very enlightening answer! I will have to think twice... To bad Clevo don't team up with a good keyboard manufacturer and put in a better touchpad and audio system. But hey, you can't win them all.

 

Yeah, but as i said, not tested more clock on it.

 

Congrats, you have a golden sample.

 

If i got time, i upload a video here.

 

Did you run all of those tests I asked and those screenshots and the RW Everything "EC" screenshot?

 

Is your company VAT licensed? If so, I can set you up as tax exempt.

 

Yes i am on AC power

so after setting my power limit to 200 my clocks were as low as 790 mhz.
i have the link here of TS opened with aida64 stress test screenshot

imgur link
https://imgur.com/a/Hi99anY

google drive link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1at0SGhNGxbYlou0zEWIUAsGMmwMDg9Di/view?usp=sharing

So basically 200000 is 200w as in the bios its mentioned on the right side "for 12.50w enter 12500. So after setting my PL1 and PL2 to 200000 = (200w) I ran a Aida64 again with TS limit reasons opened
and my clocks didnt drop at all and managed to stay around 4289 but it thermal throttled upto 14%
here is the link of the screenshot

imgur link
https://imgur.com/a/yHNyXzr

google drive link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cMqs1Y75tnmb1M9ML3WIG4Q-k-AeOXYu/view?usp=sharing

so now I am gonna do the prime95 test and the RWEverything and post screenshots now

 

I ran the prime 95 stress test with TS open with limit reasons with cooler boost on
my settings in bios were PL1 and PL2 set at 200000
VR current limit 800
AC DC loadline set to 1

and have included all the screenshots of
1. screenshot of Edit of LOCAL.txt
2. screenshot of Custom FFT size 1344K
3. screenshot right after the test started
4. screenshot after 1 minute of the test
5. screenshot after 30 mins of the test
6. screenshot after stopping the test

imgur link -

https://imgur.com/a/UV7IGWV

Google Drive link -

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1reDJ8o7oYWnYknUyc7m48gEANGzfNv67?usp=sharing

Thank you
please check it out and let me know

 

Screenshot of RWEverything after pressing EC

Imgur link -

https://imgur.com/a/kJcohYJ

google drive link

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iw2VrKlZuCU-tDV2w4gSq3q3mjDeQtcn/view?usp=sharing

PS. I found out something
if my speedstep and speedshift is enabled then my Clocks dont drop but if one of them is disabled they drop for no reason I really am not sure if that is the actual reason or something

thank you so much @Falkentyne

 

@yrekabakery

If you want try, im using this curve,

 

It looks like you had *something* installed before which screwed up the power limits.
Either Dragon Center or Intel XTU.
Those are the only programs capable of doing that.

The 200000 (200W) values were being ignored and is using 45W and 56W for long and short power limits.

When you changed the value in bios, rebooted, then changed it back again, it made the proper setting work again (200000).

Do you have intel XTU installed?
If you do, uninstall it and never use it again.

Speed shift is unrelated to this.
enabling speed shift in throttlestop, setting it (in the TPL window) to 8 for your lowest multiplier and 40+ (whatever your max overclock value is, example, 45) for your highest multiplier, and setting it to "0" (SST) in the main throttlestop window, will keep CPU at maximum speed at all times. Setting SST to 128 will make it downclock at idle and back to full speed at load. Setting it to 255 will make it heavily downclock at idle (800 mhz), but this will also keep some programs that don't use 8 threads, from running at full speed.

 

Thank you soo much @Falkentyne

How can i stop the throttling its throttling like hell

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I already know 1911MHz @ 0.9V is not stable on my card.

What's with the huge jump in your curve?

 

The jump is because he used the default values before 0.9V without OC.

 

PM sent brother!

 

You would need to do a repaste.
AIDA64 stress test is too much for stock paste on an unlocked 6 core CPU.

You would have to at minimum, repaste with Coolermaster Gel Maker Nano (recommended more than Kryonaut) and also (my suggestion) remove the stock CPU VRM and CPU choke thermal pads (CPU, NOT GPU) and replace with 0.5mm Arctic Thermal pads (Gelid pads work ok too. do not buy fujipoly). Changing the CPU thermal pads (for VRMs and the larger grey chokes) for thinner pads will help with bad core temp differentials because MSI CPU heatsinks are *CONVEX* and not fully flat. This is something you can do SAFELY.

JUST ALWAYS UNPLUG THE BATTERY AFTER OPENING THE CASE--ALWAYS ALWAYS. DO NOT SKIP THIS STEP, EVER. EVER. The battery connector is easy to unplug. This is a warning for the future if you ever want to repaste the laptop.

The only true fix to that issue is to *LIGHTLY* sand the heatsink (after removing the C-Clip retaining clip from the cpu screw springs, as the screws and springs must be removed from the heatsink) with sandpaper and a good sanding block (like preppin weapon sanding block), like no more than 0.1mm of sanding done, to make the heatsink flatter, but that is advanced work and requires careful knowledge (which is why GOOD sanding blocks are required, never ever use cheap stuff, ever).

With a sanded heatsink, then its safe to use Liquid Metal thermal paste (requires prep work like insulation with 3M Super33+ tape, and (extra insurance), trimmed and cut out and HIGHLY COMPRESSIBLE foam dams of less than 1mm thickness (compressible to less than 0.1mm).

 

Which isn't the optimal way to do it.

 

Can undervolting help ? Till i apply thermal pastes ?

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hi, please advise with gtx 1070., it is possible to unlock the power limit

I have previously edited bios, but I do not know it's the same here. In the afterburner there is no way to unlock this?

thanks for your advice

 

It's possible, but a SPI flasher is needed to flash BIOS to the GTX 10xx series because you can't flash it in OS.

 

You would have to "try" to force flash a '4 core' GTX 1070 (or 1080) vbios into the existing system, because the 6 core vbios version is not supported by the over 1 year out of date pascal editor. However on Clevo systems, everyone who tried force flashing the "older" supported vbios that came with the 4 core systems (e.g. P870 DM) into a 6 core equipped system (P870 TM) wound up with a black screen on POST, without even editing the vbios at all. Could be a PCI ID problem with the PCB version of the newer cards, but no one figured that out. It's your guess and your choice if you want to force flash the GT73VR GTX 1080 vbios into your system and see if it POSTS Or if you get a black screen. Make sure you have a backup of the old vbios handy, because no one has tested if you can boot from the iGPU on the GT75 Titan or not. You need a Skypro programmer, 1.8v adapter (REQUIRED) and preferably a Pomona 5250 clip and some male to female jumper cables to wire the clip to the 1.8v (check some of my old posts or check the pascal editor thread in the clevo section for some cheap cables that work). Prebuilt clips with the built in SOIC8 adapter and clip which hook directly into the 1.8v are always low quality, sometims the grip is too thick to fit, and often it wears out fast.

I told people to try, since you can always force a full CMOS clear if you fail and get a black screen:

1) (safe): Download RW Everything, go to the EC tab and program a "02" into EC RAM register "F1" and see if the value changes automatically to a higher value or not. If it does that's good news-reboot the computer and it should boot with the iGPU.

2) unsafe, failed on the GS65 (user had to blind "load cmos defaults") by asking for a screenshot of the menus and blind arrowing to 'load cmos defaults'): Mess around with the unlocked bios menus and the "System Agent" settings to see if any of the three "options for the iGPU allow the iGPU to boot, without getting a black screen, or any combination of the three (hold the power button down for 60 seconds then wait 3 minutes, to force a full CMOS clear if you fail; this always worked on the GT75VR and GT73VR).