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So do the MSI stuff first though?

 

Preferably the drivers first

 

Yeah I usually start with the Chipset, then end with graphics, then onto Windows update.

**Unless it needs a BIOS then that's first.

WOOT FED-EX tomorrow my 10:30 AM!!

I dont know what is going on but I cannot get the Audio driver to install, just keeps looping through the "uninstall, reboot" etc etc

***Fixed it, had to wipe the drivers VIA Control Panel.

 

Just great, I borked my BIOS back to default, now I cant get the **** back to where it was...

 

Does your system still boot? Check the AHCI mode, boot options, and boot device.

 

Yeah it boots but I have no clue what the BIOS was set to as I "loaded Optimized settings". So I don't know if all the special tweaks are there or even what they were.

 

Make sure the BIOS is set to UEFI boot mode, and your primary boot device is Windows Boot Manager.
What's your system's SSD/HDD configuration?

 

This is what I get for messin with ****.

I installed a 256GB 2.5 SSD. I Imaged the main drive, then wiped everything and was going to RAID0 the 2 500GB m.2 drives for Games and then the OS on the 2.5. When attempting to re image, it all went to ****, so now I lost everything. Back to a generic win10 1809 install.

 

Oh wow, hope it wasn't a lot of time spent although it seemed a lot.

 

Duct Tape, or Velcro...

 

OK brain fart here.

Since my BIOS debacle, I for the life of me cant remember what to set/disable to keep all 6 cores running at 4.4ish all the time even at idle. The boost as intended from there.

 

Disable c-states.
Set VR Current Limit to 800.
There was another setting which I remember had to be disabled or the system would boot at max turbo boost clocks rather than a set overclock. It was either disabling RSR (in overclocking performance menu) or disabling HDC control (in CPU configuration?) or Energy efficient turbo or that other setting. I forgot which. While the clocks worked fine if I loaded up Throttlestop and set my multipliers directly in Throttlestop, it was loading windows at stock turbo boost clocks (checked in HWinfo64 to see it). After disabling one of those settings I mentioned, windows loaded at what I wanted (4.7 ghz).

 

"Boot Performance Mode" - Max Bat/Max Non Turbo/Turbo - Looks like I want Max NON-Turbo, latter would lock it at MAX boost all the time.

Its 100% stable at the "Optimized Defaults" but that voltage was at 1.4.... So yeah I went Loadline 1/1 with 800 Current Limit already. Now it had a -.030 undervolt but cant remember where that is. These BIOS are WHACK, not used to them.

 

The default IA AC/DC setting is absurd. Because when you use manual voltages, it actually applies the AC setting on top of the manual voltage, causing the manual voltage to be boosted MUCH higher than you would expect.

You can see this easily yourself by doing a silly test:
Set IA AC loadline back to 0 (Default)
Then set IA DC loadline to 1.

Then boot into windows and watch the CPU VID at full idle.
Then run some (any) stress test and watch the VID skyrocket at full load.
Yeah. That's what's happening.
And if the laptop turns off on you and then back on its because the load/vcore triggered OCP.

 

And MSI design and producing own branded desktop MB and firmware

 

Energy Efficient Turbo is what causes throttling but now it's disabled by default. The only other thing I do is set VR Current Limit to 800 (ie. 200A) and that's it

 

On another note, the buttons on the right under the pwr. One of them asked me if I wanted to set a program to it, now how do I change it?

 

Hey guys, if I wanted to run 4.3 GHz on all cores for boost rather than 4.3x1, 4.2x2, 4.2x3, 4.1x4, 4.1x5, 4.0x6, what other settings do I need to change in Intel XTU or the BIOS?

 

Btw, what are your thoughts on the Realtek audio and Nahimic app. Do you like it? Or would a USB Sound Blaster thing like Omni Surround be better? Or stock Windows with spatial thingy (Sonic?)?

I use headphones and wanted to use 5.1 or 7.1 surround on them via one of these methods.

Also, can the laptop do okay with a high resistance headphone pair... I have a 250 ohm pair (DT770)

 

Nahimic and realtek doing their work and the sound is really good. I use mmx300 with 600 Ohm and the sound is great or even more fantastic.

 

I had a very positive ordering experience with Donald at HIDevolution. He spent an amazing amount of time patiently getting to know my specific needs in a laptop, answering my questions, and educating me about the technology involved with the different options. It was clearly evident to me that he finds satisfaction in going above and beyond to help people with his impressive breadth of experience and knowledge. We covered all the bases for me to feel as confident as humanly possible that my MSI GE75 build is the best possible purchase option for me.

 

Hi Guys,

One of 5 new notebooks to MSI's NEW line-up.....all with 8th GEN Intel, NVIDIA RTX GPU with GDDR6!

The MSI GT75

Of course, my personal favorite.... and Intel Core i9 too!

ENJOY!

 

Woahhhhhh

 

That's a lot of thermal generation between the i9 8950K + RTX2080, the cooling is going to have to make a major jump to get out of the rut the last generation laptops had with overheating... the new Asus Mothership has a new layout to help by increasing convective cooling, and that might be the edge needed:

Asus Mothership Laptop
Discussion in 'Asus' started by Dr. AMK, 12 minutes ago.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/asus-mothership-laptop.826793/#post-10843097

The thermals are either going to be fatal or barely running on the edge for both I would expect.

The Nvidia 12nm and Intel 14nm parts are getting too dense and too power hungry to deliver full performance without huge cooling changes and loud fans at load.

Cooling the 8950K wasn't successful in any of the last generation laptops, and the 1080ti was too hot to build into even the largest best cooling chassis, IDK how the RTX 2080 is going to be workable either - unless it power / thermal throttles the top end performance.

It will be interesting to see how the top 1080 OC performance matches the top 2080 performance.

 

Hi hmscott,

Of course, I always appreciate your opinion (actually, not always), but you know me.....the consummate early adopter, that cannot help himself. There is something about the smell of new tech in the air, all the excitement and marketing B.S., that brings on a tickle to my wallet, and an irresistible urge to pre-order something. Sometimes this works out well, sometimes not, but we shall see, won't we? SUCH FUN!

This said, wait till you see what I do next, LOL! (Are you watching? Watch for it!)

 

What about the replacement for the GT83?

There's nothing wrong with pointing out the obvious, the overheating of the 8th generation CPU's in all of the laptops, everyone fighting to get stock performance from power and thermal throttling designs, let alone getting any OC value out of the 8950K CPU's - it was a total bust.

Even worse was requiring 2 power supplies for another tier down in the line to power it all. I assume the same will happen again with the 2080 + 8950K - so far the Asus "Mothership" requires 2x 280w power adapters, so I assume the GT75 will require 2x PSU's as well.

Maybe some makes have redone the cooling to fix the CPU overheating this time around, I hope so myself, otherwise it won't be worth upgrading this time around.

Same goes for the 2080, IDK how they are going to cool that when running at full stock performance - let alone OC'd to any degree, but I assume the RTX GPU's will be detuned to fit. Hopefully the RTX 2080 GPU's will be a few % faster than the 1080 in laptop's.

What are you going to do?

 

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If they limit the TDP to 200W then most high end laptops should be able to cool it down and it would still have better performance than laptop gtx 1080.

I wonder if MSI will fine tune the vBIOS better this time. With the GTX 1080 despite having 200W TDP in the GT73VR and GT75VR, neither laptops were able to hold full boost and they were power throttling. The Asus G703 Chimera is much better on this part, because even using "Turbo mode" when boost is set to 1911 Mhz, there is no power throttling.

 

If the same power throttling is implemented, wouldn't the 2080 be limited to that same power draw, and not be able to boost or OC as well?

I can't imagine the 2080 would be more than a few percentage points better, and if so only in short run tests, not long sustained performance that would thermal load the cooling, or drain the battery - disabling MSI's famous battery boost - would kick in and further power throttle the GPU / CPU.

 

I say the laptop RTX 2080 will give about an extra +10 FPS over the laptop GTX 1080. This is not of a bad free boost if we consider that the price will be the same for both (in most cases).
Seeing the power throttling in the GT73VR and GT75VR I would rather go with the Asus G703GX, maybe Asus will have a better vBIOS with that too. Not to mention that the Chimera will be about the same price as the new MSI laptop. The VGA there is not MXM, but seeing MXM prices there is not much of a point for most users to buy an MXM laptop ower a BGA laptop.

Right @Papusan ?

Now the only question...will the new Chimera have the same issue as the GL703GS has with the new screen ?
https://forums.geforce.com/default/...hosting-display-issues-with-nvidia-drivers/1/

Will have to wait and see which of them will have a vBIOS without pwr throtling out of the box.

 

@hmscott

Not saying there is anything wrong with pointing out things....I'm just not going to allow any sucking-the-fun out of my decision. All this negativity runs like water off a duck's back, and I am in my happy place, awaiting my new GT75.....Ahhhhhhh….. I am at peace.

As to my GT83, still enjoying it, but I now feel the time has come that a single-GPU will suffice, and shed some of the size and weight. As to temps, throttling, etc., always a concern, but again, we shall see, and I always love testing the new toys.

Cheers!

 

Check out the new Asus "Mothership" 8950K + 2080 (full performance!?):

Asus Mothership Laptop
Discussion in 'Asus' started by Dr. AMK, 12 minutes ago.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/asus-mothership-laptop.826793/#post-10843097

CES 2019 - Events, Announcements, Video, Articles...
Discussion in 'Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades' started by hmscott, Saturday at 10:17 PM.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ncements-video-articles.826767/#post-10843068

Nvidia
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/nvidia-thread.806608/page-138#post-10843096

I haven't heard of a new G703 replacement...I think that's what the "Mothership" is supposed to fill.

 

Dude, you are a funny guy.

You'd rather hum song's and see visions of unicorns and rainbows's than hear or see the cold hard reality right in front of you?

It's not a matter of sucking the fun out of things, it's all about finding the problems before they do the sucking.

It's more of a concern this generation due to the last generations total failure to keep things cool, thermal and power throttle, and fail to actually OC worth anything close to what we have enjoyed in the past - the whole reason we want to get high powered laptops.

Also, given the past GT83 firmware power lock out's, I'd think you'd be most wary of all.

Anyway, I'm sure there will be a narrow band of tunability that will make it enjoyable.

For me I'm leaning toward the 7nm future for the next upgrade.

 

Oh the GZ700 , the "gamer" Surface Pro which will probably cost 1,5 more than an MSI GT75 or an ASUS G703GX? I think I will pass on that one
There will be a new Chimera, HID already has it up for order.
http://www.hidevolution.com/catalogsearch/result/?a=all&q=g703gx

I will also pass on the new Alienware laptop too which has the stolen design of the Lenovo Y720.

 

Here is the reality hmscott….I will be getting a new GT75, in the first shipment, which I will enjoy testing....that is my decision...and you apparently are leaning toward the 7nm future for your next upgrade. So you have fun with your decision, and I'll have fun with mine. Sound like a plan?

 

Ok, I think you are passing up something truely special with the Asus "Mothership", it might actually be able to cool everything better using convective cooling - that vertical motherboard placement with vents on top should really help with the cooling.

I wouldn't get turned away by the naming or removable keyboard, check out the videos on the internals - PCWorld and the milled case panels shown in Linus's video.

It's the most appealing 2080 + i9 model so far to me of this generation, only because of the potential for better cooling due to the motherboard placement.

 

I'll watch with interest, please don't hold back reporting the good and the bad, I'm sure many besides me will be waiting for reports to help them decide whether to buy or wait as well.

 

hmm, I noticed something interesting.
Asus was world first with both the 144 hz 7ms and 144 hz 3 ms IPS panels and it seems they are going to be world first again.
Overclockers UK lists the new chimera with this specs:

• 17.3" 144hz HDR G-Sync
  
• 3ms Response

MSI promised 120 Hz HDR display last year but it got lost while traveling to the shops...seems Asus will finally bring us a HDR display.

 

@GenTechPC, Hi! are you going to do one of your famous unboxing reviews of the new MSI RTX laptops, like the GT75?
https://www.gentechpc.com/searchresults.asp?Search=GT75+++RTX&Submit=

 

I'll wait to see it in action, but the form factor worries me for some reason.

 

Please don't forget to include a free emulated copy of SPACE INVADERS, please

 

Regarding quality control Clevo laptops have a higher chance of geting a free copy of Space Invaders

 

Yes.

 

Debating on ordering one although it doesn’t look like it has G-Sync?

 

RTX GPUs now support Free-Sync = https://www.pcworld.com/article/333...s/nvidia-rtx-gpu-laptop-freesync-geforce.html

 

Oh ok, think I’m going to go with the GE75 anyway. Don’t want the i9 really or the two power bricks. Also the fat bezels are a turn off.

 

Same with 10 Series gpu they wrote that they are could work with free-Sync too. Can‘t wait for the new driver 01/15/19 from NVIDIA to Check it with my 1080 in my Gt75vr.

 

oh really? how will free sync work on my GSYNC screen? do you think it'd be better?