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    ***The Official MSI GT80 Titan Owner's Lounge***

    Discussion in 'MSI Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by -=$tR|k3r=-, Jan 13, 2015.

  1. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    I dropped my storage back down to stock 2 x 128GB to prepare, and 1 of the SSD's failed.

    It didn't fail as in data loss, it caused my laptop to hang/freeze when writing to the "bad" SSD in the RAID0, which eventually caused a reboot.

    I actually got a RAID timeout error in Intel RST monitor tool, first time I have seen it :)

    I split the RAID0 and restored the OS to each drive, hoping to find the bad one, and I did. I then installed the OS on the other 128GB SSD, and ran the "bad" SSD as my games drive - until it completely gave up the ghost and no longer shows up in Windows, or the BIOS.

    It's dead.

    MSI won't let me return just the drive, they want me to send in my whole GT80, which isn't going to happen.

    @MSI Myco @MSIGeno - is there anything you guys can do to swap my bad 128GB M.2 SATA Toshiba THNSNJ128G8NU for a good one? :)

    I still recommend running RAID0 with as many SSD's as you can on the GT80, I had 4x 512GB running for a while, and it was very nice, but only if you are relentless about doing full image backups so you can restore quickly should a drive fail.

    I have heard of undervolts that high recently, on the Clevo 6700K, but they say that is due to being overvolted in the BIOS by Clevo.

    The only way to find out is to kick it up high enough to cause a crash, say at -300mV, -400mV, -500mV, etc. Make sure to not be doing anything important when jacking around voltages :rolleyes:
     
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    You are selling the GT80????
     
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    Nope, sorry, sold it - although I might have it here for another few weeks / month until the buyer takes delivery. :)
     
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    My drives will get here tomorrow so I will just have to try different options out I guess. I am dreading having my data strewn across a C, D, E and F drive, really annoying to say the least. Especially since my C drive won't be large enough so I will have to install some things to the D drive, then split my docs, media, backups across the free space on the other drives. Oh well. First world problems I know.

    As soon as I wrote that last message when I was testing -210mv it locked up lol. That took a while going 10mv at a time, never imagined it would go so high of an undervolt. So I would say my absolute limit is -200v, but what I did for now was set it at -100mv and upped my multipliers a tiny bit. So I'm UV and very slightly OC now, nice.

    Why are you selling if you don't mind me asking? Not that you need a reason, I am constantly selling my slightly used laptops and buying new. I wish I had a friend like myself that I could buy from, and maybe sell to as well.
     
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    My OC of choice with the GT80 SLI-263 5950HQ is 40x x 4, 32x cache, and have run it for a while at +-0mV, but recently started dropping the voltage to see how it runs.

    Right now I am at 4.0ghz with -30mV on both CPU and CPU cache.

    Also, I ran the M.2 drives individually to start, then made a 2x RAID0 in the BIOS, and then added the other 2 M.2 SSD's 1 at a time through the Intel RST systray app, which takes a little time, but you don't need to blow away your stuff to grow the RAID0.

    That way I could test the drives for infant mortality failures, do speed tests, etc until I was comfortable that all the drives were worthy of being in the RAID0.

    I tested 4x RAID0 with Ev0 850 500GB, Micron M600 512GB, and MX200 500GB drives. They all ran great, with the M600 being fastest, Evo 850 next, and MX200 3rd.

    Have fun :)
     
  6. Katiecat

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    Is that under load? I could hit -150 just fine while idling, but the second it went under load, it would crash. See if you can run a stress test! I'm stable at -80 at 4GHz in Prime95, so you can probably get away with a lot lower if you're running stock. :)

    The Skylake CPU-PCH link is physically incapable of delivering more than 3.93GB/sec, and that's if you have literally nothing else using it. The only way to get more than that would be to connect them directly to the CPU PCIe lanes, and I think you'd much rather have the GPUs occupying those slots.
     
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    May I ask why you are selling?
     
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    Seriously? It's incapable of anything FASTER THSN THAT? Dang....

    The benchmark wasn't on the GT80 btw
     
  9. hmscott

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    No :)
     
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    Seriously? Lol are u staying on this forum - ur help has been much appreciated this far :vbthumbsup:
     
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    What was the %value lost? How well does the gt80 hold its value
     
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    Like I said, it's going to be a little while before I don't have the GT80 here, so I will be around for a while.

    You are welcome, it's been fun :)
     
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    Are u getting a gt80s?
     
  14. hmscott

    hmscott Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    I haven't decided what I am getting for a replacement. Please stop talking to me about it :)
     
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    Please stop asking questions about it. :)
     
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    That is stress testing with XTU. At -200 who knows maybe I could find some way to crash it eventually or when playing games that are also CPU intensive, which is why for now I felt -100 was enough and very conservative, and just did a little overclock too. Already bested my desktop score which is amazing (SLI 980ti's stock, and granted I gimped my CPU to try to match a mobile, limited clock and number of cores).

    I am not speaking for hmscott in any way! When I sell my laptops, generally after a year I can get about half what I paid, sometime more if demand is there and my timing is perfect. I have sold tons of laptops within a few months of buying, and generally I can recover 2/3 to 3/4 the price, again if I can find the right buyer and perfect timing. Also I usually throw in extras I bought that will be useless without the laptop so technically it may be a little lower. This is not a cheap hobby, and in no way is it for holding value or making money!
     
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  17. Miguel Diaz

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    Sorry dude but I still keep getting this...
    Error Code: -5001 : 0x80070002
    Error Information:
    >setup.cpp (142)
    PAPP:
    PVENDOR:
    PGUID:
    $21.0.338
    @windows 8.1 / Server 2012 R2 Service Pack 0 (9600)
    IE Version: 9.11.10586.0
    But thanks anyway bud I guess it's an incompatibility issue with the Windows 10.
     
  18. Katiecat

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    Also, out of curiosity, why not put in a drive caddy into the optical bay? You can RAID together two 2.5" SSDs, which will give you far more capacity than anything M.2 has to offer, and still have the two PCIe drives in RAID for speed. :) Especially if you wait for later in the year, when Samsung starts selling 4TB 2.5" drives.

    Nope, any sort of I/O will be routed through the PCH, so this includes your SATA drives and USB ports. (And TB3 devices too I believe, although this one I'm not 100% on.)
     
  19. hmscott

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    The 1TB M.2 PCIE x4 and SATA III drives are starting to release, so there's that :)

    The Optical Bay port is likely still SATA 1.5, so RAID0'ing that and the SATA III 2.5" bay won't work well - you will transfer at the rate of the slowest RAID member. Check out the Optical bay spec/spec to see what the current rate is.

    You can RAID0 an M.2 SSD and a 2.5" SSD together if they are the same make/model. I did a 3x RAID0 on my G750JH, 2x M.2 SATA III + 1x 2.5" SATA III.

    So in the GT80S, you can get 2x 1TB M.2 PCIE x4 RAID0, 1x 1TB M.2 + 1x 2.5" SATA III RAID0, 1x 2TB/4TB Optical Bay for a total of 6TB or 8TB depending on when the 4TB 2.5" releases. Not bad :)
     
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    Seriously, keep that -200mV dream alive as long as you can, that's myth-worthy levels on the GT80(S), and it might be doable for more people with the 6920HQ, so fight for it :)

    At worst you will crash.

    What I do when I finally reach the pinnacle of UV is to keep that profile on manual, and the automatic profile is a sure fire stable one that I can call on when I need to get stable for doing work, transfering files (locally and network), but I always switch over to the testing profile while idle or while doing browsing / video - non-critical stuff.

    You kinda have to do that because the final final value for UV is going to be on the edge, and the crash(s) will be few and far in between.

    General rule is the last crash happens when you are idle. Under load, for some reason, is more stable as you get close to the edge of what is possible.

    So you can beat the snot out of it, and it will pass, but afterwards when you get up for a cool beverage, you may come back to find yourself at the startup screen :)

    Good luck!
     
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    Hmm? I see SATA III. :p
    [​IMG]
    He said he didn't care much about the speed though, and it's SATAII, so not completely terrible even without doing this. Plus, you can RAID whatever drives you want, even drives with different size. You'll just get the smaller of the two capacities and the worst case specs on both.
     
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    Nice hack :)

    That's all I was saying, you will run at the speed of the slowest RAID member - but in some circumstances this causes RAID problems that aren't solveable - in hwinfo64 I see SATA 1.5 gb/s, not SATA II (3gb/s) for the optical bay:

    hwinfo64 summary shows SATA 1.5 for Optical bay.JPG
     
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    I've heard from multiple resellers that it was bumped up to 3Gbps in the GT80S. Haven't tested it myself, though... and can't now without dismantling my setup! Should be easy enough for him to test though, caddies are nice and cheap. :) In any case, even if your bay was 3Gbps, wouldn't it still show up as 1.5 here if the optical drive controller only supports that link speed?
     
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    The hwinfo64 detailed view shows controller speed and connected device speed independently, and both show 1.5gb/s:

    hwinfo64 detailed view shows SATA 1.5 for Optical bay and device.JPG
     
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    Of course, your Blu-ray Drive controller not the notebook controller, is 1.5Gbps so naturally the link speed isn't going to be any higher than 1.5Gps.
     
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    I would go that route but I do use the drive often for watching movies. I'm trying to slowly get them ripped to be digital but will never get them all. I have a desktop and laptop now that neither have an optical drive, so I have to use an external a lot. I want to avoid that this time.

    The 1TB M.2 are my best bet, but I'm not waiting, I'll upgrade when they become more common and are cheaper.
     
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    Hello everyone, my first post on here, so I bought my titan about a year ago and its been working excellent except for two things recently. Every game I play now has v-sync issues really bad even if I have it enabled in the game or outside of the game, I have the latest NVidia drivers. Also, when I close the laptop and then reopen it the screen will go black for a bit then come back at full brightness and a little message comes up at the bottom that the driver failed but has recovered. The only way Ive found to fix this is just a simple restart. I'm on windows 10 now, any suggestions or help? thank you.
     
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    The latest 361.43 display driver crashes and restarts every 30 seconds when booted on battery, and that's under Windows 8.1

    If you are running on battery change the GPU selection to the iGPU, and reboot on battery, that works for me.

    What version of Nvidia driver are you running?

    359.00 or 359.06 seem to be the versions of choice right now. I ran 359.12 before as well without issues.

    I am staying on 361.43 as on AC I don't have any problems.
     
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    Hi guys, not really a gt80 questions more of a question about windows 10. Anyone here using windows 10, that notices the panel that comes up in the middle of the screen when moving windows around the desktop? Its really annoying and i want to disable it. How would i do that? i do have the snap option disabled.
     
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    I noticed it and have no clue what it is, it is not a Windows 10 thing, it has to be an MSI deal as I've used a dozen other Win 10 machines and never saw that before. It looks like some sort of "snap" feature for moving windows around, but honestly I don't want it or see a use for it.
     
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    It's a setting in SCM, if I recall correctly. Open it up, you should see the setting.

    Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk
     
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    Yea same here it is very annoying while using multiple monitors.
     
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    thank you for your input. Just checked didnt see any options for that in SCM
     
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    Hi i just figured it out, the option to disable it is in MSI tru color. Under desktop partition, just disable it.
     
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    There is a way to turn it off
     
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    Hi all,
    To the who had repasted their GPUs, did you have a thermal pad on the vRam? How much is the thickness? I want to change for a grizzly pad.
     
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    Hello everyone. Bought my GT80 2QC as an open-box from Micro Center a week ago.

    This thing is huge but I wanted something comparable to my desktop as far as speed is concerned (not so much GPU power) because I bring it to work every day

    I initially had some issues with the Killer 1525 WiFi card so I replaced it with an Intel 8260 card. In addition to that I have changed the SATA mode to AHCI and broke up the RAID array. I installed Windows 10 on one SSD and Linux Mint 17.3 on the other SSD.

    Besides the random GPU driver crash issues on Windows (which seems to be fixed by turning off hibernation) and no number pad on Linux, she's running smooth. One thing I did notice though when I took the cover off the top is that I seem to be missing the haptic feedback motor for the touchpad. Not that I really care, I just thought it was an odd thing to leave out on the 2QC.
     
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    I have a 2QE i7 5700 and it don't have a the haptic motor,
    I think only the first release have it.
     
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    It was never released with the final product. Apparently they had a small quick beta test with people regarding the haptics motor and it didn't get much of a good feedback or something. You can buy the haptic motor and install it yourself but rest assured it never reached the final product. I have a 001 model and I don't have it either.
     
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    Hello Guys,
    I recently noticed strange thing in Nvidia Geforce Experience - Battery boost option showing as not ready because SLI not supported. But when I was having old Nvidia driver it was showing properly. I also set the FPS to 60 couple of times with Battery Boost Enable. But after updating driver to 359.06 it is currently not showing in my system (GT80-009 GTX 980m SLI). Can someone please check and let me know is it really the case that SLI not supported for Battery Boost option or something wrong going on in my system.

    Also if someone can suggest a good system image BackUp/recovery software that will be great. I am about to flash Bios/VBios on my GT80, so wanted to make proper backup before doing that. In case anything goes wrong, want to have the exact replica with all the software/game profile intact in my system. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
     
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    Can someone help me please. I just tried turning on my GT80 Titan 009 and it displays the MSI start screen for a few seconds then powers down. It was working fine earlier today but I can't get it to stay on now.
     
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    Obvious suggestion: check your power cords. May have come loose and drained the battery unknowingly.
     
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    Yes..it's plugged in. It still displayed the MSI logo for a few seconds then powers down.
     
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    361.43 is what I'm running on now, what I'm trying to make sure of is that's its the drivers and not the laptop.
     
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    Then uninstall 361.43, I would use DDU - let it boot to safe mode, uninstall 361.43, then after it reboots to normal mode, install 359.00/.06/.12 depending on your preference.
     
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    Did you modify something on BIOS? Did you update something? You might need to reset CMOS battery to reset everything to default. While the laptop boots, can you enter BIOS? What model do you have? Is it an original Titan and you added a 3rd stick of ram?
     
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    I used it earlier yesterday, shut it down, went to work and came home to doing this.I have the GT80 009 model. I haven't modified anything and I can still enter BIOS, I haven't tried resetting CMOS battery. If I could get a run down on how to do that I would appreciate it.
     
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    Can you check in bios your ssd and hard drive?
     
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    Ok so update to what's going on. After several attempts of turning the notebook on and having it power down, I powered it on again and pressed F3. Windows then promoted me to choose a preferred keyboard layout then proceeded to tell me that they updated my PC. It is now on and currently working normally but I received a RunDLL error stating "There was a problem starting C:\Windows\System32\LogiLDA.dll"

    I'm not sure what's going on but I'm afraid to turn it off again or restart it for fear that this will happen again.
     
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    Sorry hmscott!

    In order for us to replace a defective drive, the laptop must be sent in for repair. Wish there was more I could do to help...
     
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