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That's too bad... the only other similar thing I have seen was with Asus GPU Tweak for Graphics cards. If you I had a custom refresh and Asus GPU Tweak had a different refresh value, at boot time they would fight between each other to set the display refresh

Never got a black screen, but the display would reset several times (3) as Windows set refresh, Nvidia set refresh, and Asus GPU Tweak set refresh.

Was there a BIOS update for your model for black screen problems at boot, I recall there were BIOS updates for some laptop models for black screen, are you up to date on your BIOS?

 

Should be. My updates are simpler than yours. SCM is detached from my bios so it's was easy to update.

 

BIOS updates are done through a flash tool built into the BIOS, although there are also Windows level tools to do it, though it's recommended to do it through a separate DOS boot.

Setting Defaults (Optimized Defaults) before / after a BIOS update is also recommended, as some complain about Black Screen problems at boot after doing BIOS updates - they forgot to set defaults in BIOS before / after.

https://www.google.com/search?num=5...0...1c.1.64.serp..3.3.328...30i10.rGnUNURbmbE

Windows 10 users complain a lot about Black screen issues, as I recall there were several KB's from Microsoft to address it.

Booting to Black screen Windows 10
https://www.google.com/search?num=5....0...1c.1.64.serp..0.5.349...0i13.-h5DYoFkgsQ

Black screen after boot before/after login Windows 10
https://www.google.com/search?q=win.....69i57j0l5.4832j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Again, under Windows 8.1/7 I have been adjusting the refresh through Custom settings in Nvidia Control panel for many years, and have never had a problem related to it.

And, I don't think Custom Refresh settings are causing Windows 10 Black screen issues, as it's happening to you anyway, either way.

 

Yea it's already updated... I was just commenting I don't have to update in any specific order like you guys do cause mine doesn't have the GPU toggle button

 

I don't need to update BIOS in any specific order due to dGPU or iGPU, maybe you are thinking of vbios updates - but I don't use custom vbios and there wasn't an MSI update to the vbios - by the time I got my GT80 all the bugz were worked out of the GT80

See my last post again, added a couple of URL's, and remembered that Windows 10 users have been complaining about Black screen issues, and Microsoft put out a number of KB's that made it worse, and then I think fixed it... maybe not.

That's why I don't recommend Windows 10 for the basic reason it's buggy and not stable - everyone with Windows 10 "lives with" these problems so long they forget they have so many "problems" and say it works fine.

It doesn't.

 

GT83 confirmed to have 3 fans!! 1 each for both 980 GPU's in SLI and 1 for the CPU. We have been wanting a 3rd fan for the CPU for a long time.

Nothing about the size of PSU feeding the GT83 yet...

No mention of cooling fans / PSU size for the GT73, but 120hz 5ms IPS screen confirmed.

MSI booth @ Computex 2016! GT83/GT73 Coverage Starts at 3:40

 

tbh the screen stay at non4k or 60fps im fine with all that. i plan to run everything on 900p anyway 18" just not big enough for any higher resolution if one were to sit at a distance away from laptop. however i am very interested in the new cooling, hope to see if they done extra work on cpu.

@mason2smart hopefully with gt83 we'll be able to see higher clocked cpu, say 4.4ghz stable with decent voltage in this machine otherwise its a joke.. 4.1ghz and below is still slower than my 4.5yr old 3940xm at 4.7ghz.

 

3 FANS THATS GREAT TIME TO BUY. although u see me nag alot about not having dual psu in actual fact i dont care as much as other enthuaist out there. i run GPU at stock if not underclocked to give more power to CPU instead. 900p sure doesn't need a lot of gpu power especially we are going to get 1080 soon in this machine it can do what 980 does with much less power.

3 FANS WOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO come on 4.4+ ghz cpu thanks intel/msi.

now just need more 2.5" storage space.

 

i have never had it stable at anything over 3.9, not b/c of heat but because I just cannot get it stable

 

Tried to get it to 90hz but now it just turns grey right off the bat.



I did get 3D working on my tv but it only supports 24hz at 1080p -- I have a 4K tv that support refresh rates over 120 HZ (possibly even 240 HZ at 1080p) and although my HDMI port doesn't support, 120 HZ at 4K (I think). Is there any way around this 3D refresh rate lock.

 

thats some major problem. 3.9 is barely consider overclock compare to some of the older cpu its more of a 200-300mhz up. intel first got around that tdp restriction by showing off 6820hk but then these are all crappy binned so we barely get anything out of it, they are seriously in limiting what performance we can get from them so we have more incentive to buy chips in future.

at this point can only wait for kabylake HK which is kind of sad because its exact same technology, with few minor difference but hope for better binned so higher clock, intel's under hand strategy.

from a desktop chip standard, without worrying about heat, a lot of desktop K series can easily go towards 4.5ghz. tbh 4.5 is considered a bad chip to overclock, people usually do 4.5-4.8 ghz, thats how much performance we can get easily out of them with a decent voltage at say 1.35v.

 

@ryzeki
How portable is the vive? If I decide to take it with me as a portable display would I have to recalibrate the sensors/room tracking?

 

nah needs more pcie slots

 

heh based on needs i guess? i'd say pcie storage is good if they run off pcie lanes directly from cpu but not chipset, lets break it down.

gt80s, p870dm etc, majority of gaming laptop motherboard and desktop are made similar @mason2smart. we got the cpu with dmi 3.0 so thats bi directional pcie 3.0 x 4 speed read/write around 3.6GB/s max connected to our chipset. chipset capp at ~3.6GB/s comes with 16 lanes pcie 3.0, might be 20 lanes soon which are shared for all other devices connected to chipset.
lanes for wifi, some for usb, bluetooth etc, 2 lanes per m.2 ssd (samsung 950 pro) which also taken up two SATA 6GB/s ports. if we got 3 m.2 SSDs then all SATA port are used up unless intel revise their chipset and allow us to get more sata ports, and as you can see 3x samsung 950 pro already exceeds 3.6GB/s readw/write due to DMI 3.0 saturation so theres almost no point having more than two.

on the other hand however if those extra pcie storage lanes come from CPU, then the speed aren't shared and theres no bottleneck.

i opt for sata because 2.5" will soon come with 7.6TB worth of storage in a 7mm height ssd, two or 3 of those in a laptop to carry everything.

 

I thought you reported 100hz attained when you got the GT80S?

And, I thought your CPU was stable at 4.0ghz...

Did that robot crash do more than add 10C to your CPU temp?

Get that thing RMA'd

 

Triple fan setup is great news

Look at the contents of the box. That's what you are going to have to carry around. And yes, you need to recalibrate the room, unless you specifically set the sensors at the exact same height and distance every time, with respect to your screen and to the floor.

It's not difficult to set up but you do have two sensors with their AC connection, two controllers with AC connection, the linkbox to your PC with hdmi, usb, power, and your headset. I took it to my office and my coworkers had a blast with it.

 

The speed makes a noticeable difference even if it may only be a slight difference

 

The final entry in that triple is " no difference".

Also known as the " placebo effect".

 

Do I need to take the sensors with it or just the headset...

 

Nah there is a definite difference compared to my Razer with file transfer speeds. Loading times are slightly reduced

 

hmscott is right. transfer after 2 drive theres no difference. the reason you're feeling difference from razor blade is because razor blade is terrible, either they use pcie 2.0 x4 lanes or 1 pcie ssd but like i mentioned earlier, with 2 samsung 950 pro in raid 0, u bottleneck sequential transfer at least a certain block size, more doesnt help unless its high queue depth which we'll never get to. the review on pcper explains it all. and in reality, 1 SSD feels snappier, two SSD is less snappier due to overhead however sequential transfer 2 SSD is better than 1, 2 SSDs in raid 0 will feel snappier when multiple queue depth is running concurrently when hitting 4 or more often.

if we're looking for any improvement over two samsung 950 pro in raid 0, it wouldnt be more pcie ssds in raid 0, it'll be upping other parts of bottleneck in system ie internet speed, sata 4 over sata 3 if thats ever coming at all, dmi 3.0 to dmi 4.0 and finally 3dXpoint optane SSD which is said to be 3-5x faster than samsung 950 pro in low QD 1 performance = ultra snappy.

 

My Razer blade pro was from 2013

FYI it's still in the repair shop and Razer never followed up to let me know when to expect it back -- though i have little confidence in their repair center at this point.

 

The speed of PCIE drives is awesome in some applications, but for most of us, in day to day use, it's speed is overkill even with a single SSD.

The cost difference, and extra heat just isn't worth it.

You can get 2.2x more Storage with an M.2 SATA drive vs an M.2 PCIE drive for the same cost.

And, now you can get 1TB SSD's in M.2 SATA, but you are still limited to 512GB in M.2 PCIE.

Save the $, and get M.2 SATA, we can wait for a cooling solution and better channels in/out of the CPU before jumping into PCIE storage.

As far as price, the M.2 SATA pricing will always be competitive, but at some point the price gap will close, and that's the time to upgrade to cheap M.2 PCIE - if the size limitations and heat don't dissuade you.

 

Not in market for hdd's right now...

 

I think you mean "SSD's".

I was responding to your comment that you can tell the difference in speed between PCIE and SATA M.2's in daily use, and then changed the comparison to your broken Razer vs your broken GT80S, so that confused things a bit.

When you get both fixed, give it a try again.

Better yet, clone your M.2 PCIE SSD to an M.2 SATA and run on that, that is the performance difference I am talking about.

 

in gaming or my normal workflow, I personally cannot tell the difference between my Samsung 950 PRO PCIe SSD and my 4 year old LiteOn 128GB SATA SSD. Only in benchmarks do you see the difference.

 

@hmscott

Also don't forget that PCIe SSDs are a bit slower in Windows boot time due to the time it takes to initialize the NVMe controller

 

i know that feel bro, repair takes forever.

in this day and age theres google, diy is the way to go, which is probably the reason i got into learning all these junk and became a hobby because im tired of relying on others to fix stuff for me, way too much inconvenience.

 

m.2 sata sux i hate them the most lol aside from msata.

guess its all on people's application. imho once u get it should fully take advantage of it. since i use ramdisk and boottime basically went from 5sec to 35sec on 2x SATA raid 0, going to nvme pcie will reduce that 35sec by quite a bit as sequential read is basically tripled. other than that, video encoding etc i guess.

@Phoenix most of boot time is due to bios/mobo. if bios allow us to disable not check all devices and just check very few, they'll be fast as hell, like those excellent desktop mobos.

 

Initializing RAID is likely what cost you the added boot time.

Disable RAID and go back to single SSD and your boot time should drop back to the original low numbers.

That would happen with 2.5" SATA too, and likely the same for M.2 PCIE NVME.

But, really, 30 extra seconds to boot once a day for RAID0 performance? I am ok with that

mSata was very slow, the M.2 SATA's have been fast, the same speed as 2.5" SATA, 500MB/sec+ Read/Write single, 1000MB/sec+ Read/Write RAID0.

 

Actually, my Prema BIOS does allow fast boot as in desktop motherboards to minimize the initialization of other HDDs and/or USB devices until the boot is done

 

there maybe some confusion. msata is slow because usually that port being sata 3gbps instead of 6gbps. 850 evo msata is similar performance as regular 850 m.2 or 2.5".

that extra 30 sec seems ok, but when doing install/update, testing back up images and restore etc its a serious pain lol. which is why i am so keen on getting a new lappy with nvme pcie ssds. now if i do get one and realizes boot time doesnt reduce at all, then my speculation is wrong then its not using the sequential read rather the random read lol, but i doubt it.

does it allow each individual usb port or device to be disabled or bypassed? if its bypass most/all devices then its not that great.

 

My boot / BIOS time in RAID0's on laptops wasn't anywhere near that slow, I was still down in the 5 second range on both a G750JH and a GT80. Not sure what's up with your configuration - it might be something else causing the slowdown - disconnect all USB / external devices and try again.

I think it was @Phoenix or @Mr. Fox that had the bad desktop PCIE x4 NVME SSD experiences, terrible boot times.

 

only allows to bypass USB devices BUT the Mouse/Keyboard. Not selective. I don't think I had selective even on my ASUS X-99 Deluxe motherboard when I had my Origin PC Millennium Desktop

 

yeah it was me, on the Origin PC Millennium desktop which had an Intel 750 PCIe SSD, it would take 15 seconds just till you see the splash screen from the moment you turn on the computer.

 

@hmscott

you have an amazing memory BTW, you remember every detail. of every post made

 

Thanks, it's a blessing and a curse...

Especially when I need to find the old post(s) to backup / reference what I am remembering

 

Jon from tweaktown has same ssd, but his boot time is like 8 sec without UEFI nor fastboot. also, samsung SSDs target reads workload, especially low qd1 read which is whats needed most during boot. intels is more on write side is also reason samsung ssd feels snappier. however when running vmware with qd stack up quite a bit along with other software, intel's ssd will triumph, just dependent on the workload.

on the other hand with optane coming in a year or 2, that will up qd1 read to 60-80k iops similar to ram but slower. 950 pro is only at 14k iops with 1 ssd, 13k with 2 in raid due to overhead.

 

You need all of it as far as I know The vive box itself is great to carrying it around, as everything gets packed in nicely. If you are in the market for one, I would advise waiting for more software to appear. There are many games but right now experiences are a bit limited because this is new technology. Most gameplay experiences are very arcadey so you don't progress like regular "hardcore" games. they are fun but I have found myself waiting for some full game experiences instead of just "shoot target for N waves" kind of stuff.

 

It was not me (as @Phoenix indicated he was the one). I cannot tell any difference in boot times using NVMe versus normal M.2 SSD. The review unit from Eurocom had NVMe. I have dual Sandisk X400 512GB M.2 drives in RAID0 on both the P870DM and P750ZM and boot time is not discernibly different between them and the NVMe... both feel nice and peppy. I have not measured it because as long as it does not "feel" slow from taking too long I don't really care about boot times and consider them pretty much irrelevant.

 

With windows 10 I sometimes can't see the difference between SSD and HDD boot times

 

yes it is definitely slower on boot... but having only 2 in raid vs ur 4 in raid still makes my boot a lot faster (approx 10-15 seconds max)

 

he can also try disconnecting the blue ray player or disabling it.

 

Goodness, that has got to be painful. My machines are both triple-boot W7, 8.1 and 10. I only boot Windows 10 for Fire Strike benchmarks for the most part, since Windows 7 is better at almost everything. I will have to compare to see if there is any difference in boot times among the three OSes. I suspect there probably is, but any difference between them hasn't been meaningful enough for me to recognize. I haven't used HDD for anything but storage since the M17xR2 was my main machine. I think that might be the last system where I actually used HDDs for an OS.

 

Good point, many a time I have left a DVD or BD in my optical drive and booted the next day... whrrrr whrrrr whrrrrr, reminds me of the floppy grinding at boot up days

 

There is an M.2 PCIE 1TB SSD for sale, on newegg:

$769 - OCZ RD400 M.2 2280 1TB PCI-Express 3.0 x4 MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) RVD400-M22280-1T
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820228164

There are 2 1TB M.2 SATA SSD's available on newegg, $239 / $359.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100011693 600038493 600488413 601193224&IsNodeId=1

The 1TB OCZ M.2 PCIE is 3.2x more expensive than the Sandisk X400 1TB M.2 SATA... 2.2x more expensive than the IBM 1TB M.2 SATA.

 

I only get 6 weeks with it till I'm back in school so I really am considering getting it. Otherwise I gotta wait till next year

 

I actually used to use floppy disks once in a while when I was like 3 -- I still kinda remember it lol

 

When I started using floppies, they were bigger than you were at 3 years old


Yabba Dabba Doo

 

I don't have one at all just an external hdd for backups. I opted to replace my secondary hdd with a 256 Samsung 850 pro so I can see those 3.5+ gb/s internal transfer speeds.

My backup drive is only a mybook with a single hdd yet I somehow manage to get over 1.2 gb/s transfer speeds when I backup to it with maximum compression using macrium