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    ***The Official MSI GT80 Titan Owner's Lounge***

    Discussion in 'MSI Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by -=$tR|k3r=-, Jan 13, 2015.

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    Lol u should see Razer support. They have had my laptop in their possession longer than me. And they keep sending me dead on arrival replacements.

    Trust me it could be worse ;)

    Don't tell msi u got it used cause warranty does not transfer --
    whoever sold it to you probably knows about the issues... Why else would he sell it?
     
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    Ask them if they can cover it with accidental damage?
     
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    I would probably return it to the seller.
     
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    I bought the PC to a person who sold it to buy the most powerful model, the one with the sli 980 desktop.

    The guarantee is still valid because I have the invoice of the first owner and he did not registered the machine at his name.
    So I have done it in my own name.

    Return the machine to the retailer ? It is currently at the MSI customer service. What would the retailer do then ?
     
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    Mason, that's ridiculous :)

    Futuremark.com has 3dmark to download for free, includes Fire Strike, and most people trade the results for the free product, not the paid product.

    Who in their right mind is going to buy it for Steam, requiring creating an account on the computer, downloading Steam, installing Steam and 3dmark, and then logging in to *their* Steam account on a client computer?? :rolleyes: :D :p

    XTU *always* raises temps on a computer?

    Of course it raises the temps, the point of XTU is to increase the performance by raising the clock/multiplier on CPU's, which increases the power drawn and heat created.

    Running XTU for monitoring the CPU, with *no* OC doesn't do anything to the temps. :)
     
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    Your description wasn't clear, at least to me, and with that added info it was even less clear than I imagined. I think I understand closer to what is going on, but the advice is mostly the same.

    You didn't say you bought it used, with a non-registered pedigree. That would have immediately ruled out returning it for a refund.

    You didn't say it was at MSI on RMA, you said it was at service - which could and has been a seller service or 3rd party service in other posts from other people.

    Saying it was sent in on an RMA to MSI is what we needed to hear to help most directly.

    If MSI is saying that, they don't think repasting is going to help, and likely as not, that is true. MSI will use the same paste and get the same results.

    In the next generation of the GT80 series, the GT83 MSI added a CPU exhaust fan, to help with CPU heat.

    It sounds like you have a borderline heat problem with the CPU cooling, not hot enough to demand a fix, and still hot enough to cause thermal throttling.

    You can demand they try to fix it by re-pasting, and investigating the fit of the cooling elements - heatpipes / heat plate, but they can always say no.

    Most likely it will be up to you to re-paste it...read through these forums, and there have been lots of posts on re-pasting.
     
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    Ask MSI RMA department to try it on *any* Titan model :)
     
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    Has anyone tried doom yet?
     
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    Not personally, but seeing FPS scores with a 970M (40+ FPS average) and a 980M (50+ FPS average) + 4700MQ on max graphics settings looks promising.
     
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    I'm sorry for not clearly explained my problem but I have a little trouble with the language, I use google translation to help me.
    The temperature problem is obviously real, the addition of a third fan dedicated to the CPU on the new model is the obvious evidence.
    For the repaste, they told me that if I do it myself, I will lose the warranty...

    I just got a new answer to one of my mails, they tell me again that everything is normal...
    However it seems to me that if now I have 98 ° C (in spring), I will inevitably have + 100 ° C in summer. Therefore the pc will shut off for safety.

    Will it be normal again ?
     
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    Running it max everything 1080p on my 2x980M and it sits on 60fps most of the time. There are just a few map areas that causes it to dip. Very happy :)
     
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    Lol how is it ? Is it worth getting?
     
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    Got a GT80 2QE 033US (2x gtx980m)

    Just finished it (DOOM) on Ultra-Violence.
    I'm playing it in 1440p (DSR), everything setting at ULTRA (and texture cache in nightmare). The game doesnt use the SLI for now so it's running on only one graphic cards.
    It's a 97% 60fps experience. I expect even better performance when the SLI/VULCAN patch will get released.

    The game is amazing, if you're a fan of the old DOOM, you're gonna love this. I haven't had that much fun with a FPS since Half Life 2, honestly.
     
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    Lol doom must be insanely optimized -- and I though battlefront was good (except battlefront is CPU heavy)
     
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    Re-pasting shouldn't void your warranty, are you sure you are talking with Global MSI RMA support, or is it some regional office?

    It's best to go through the MSI Support site, where you registered your laptop, and file a ticket via MSI RMA ticket system. Then ask your questions there.

    https://register.msi.com/home/login

    That should be a definitive answer, and what we usually are told is if we don't "break anything" opening up and replacing components - re-pasting as part of it - the warranty is still in place.

    The CPU will throttle at 93c, your monitoring software may register a "peak reading" for higher, the CPU has already started throttling to reduce the temperature.

    If you are using hwinfo64, turn on logging, take a sample at least 1/sec, and do your test run / game run, and see what the actual second by second temperatures are.

    It can be deceiving going by the single "Highest Temp Reading", which might only be hit once throughout the entire run for the briefest of moments - caught as the highest temp - but in reality the temps normally are much lower.

    Same for Thermal Throttling, check how often it is reached, and what effect it has on the CPU clock/speed.

    Your laptop should protect itself, nothing to worry about, especially since most games won't keep it at peak temp for long.

    Try getting something to prop up the rear of the laptop, to get airflowing in and blowing out and up - away from the laptop air intake.

    If your laptop is on a desk pointing toward a wall, the heated air is going to blow back toward your laptop and get sucked in to the intake vent, and that air will already be hotter than ambient air and causing increased heat intake.

    Try pointing the exhaust up and out into free space where the heat can dissapate into the room instead of back into the laptop.

    Same for heat over time absorbed by the desk / place the laptop is sitting, which will also increase the temperature of air that passes over it into the bottom air intake.

    A cooling pad lifting up the laptop off the desk, and with fans to cool the exterior and push cool air into the intake can also help.

    Good luck :)
     
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    My laptop used to stutter every so often in every game. But I fixed it by turning off Windows Diagnostics Policy Service.
     
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    There are lots of Windows Services to disable, but that's a good one to start with, thanks for the tip :)
     
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    What other windows services do you recommend that we turn off?
     
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    The Black Viper lists have been around the longest, consistently available, but there are others too.

    Find which ones speak to you, and gather their wisdom :)

    Some service recommendations reach across OS releases, some come and go, here are the Windows 7,8,10 Black Viper lists.

    Black Viper’s Windows 7 Service Pack 1 Service Configurations
    http://www.blackviper.com/service-c...dows-7-service-pack-1-service-configurations/

    Black Viper’s Windows 8 Service Configurations
    http://www.blackviper.com/service-configurations/black-vipers-windows-8-service-configurations/

    Black Viper’s Windows 10 Service Configurations
    http://www.blackviper.com/service-configurations/black-vipers-windows-10-service-configurations/

    Before Microsoft introduced the telemetry processes and scheduled uploads, there were simple lists of Windows Services to moderate.

    Now it's recommended to use the tools that have sprung up to uninstall, decommission, un-configure, and de-schedule those wastes of resources too.

    Be careful to BACKUP all your stuff, including making a recovery image of your bootable partition (C drive) before embarking on any tuning of your OS, running 3rd party "experimental" tools, so you can recover back to where you started, you have been warned.

    Destroy Windows Spying - For Windows 7/8/10 - This is the original version, frozen Dec 2015, so I use other tools as well to cover what is newer than this, and what DWS doesn't cover.
    http://dws.wzor.net/
    https://github.com/Nummer/Destroy-Windows-10-Spying

    If you use DWS on Windows 7, use the advanced mode and uncheck SP1 KB976932 from the list of KB's to uninstall, otherwise your computer will spend "time" updating the KB's individually after uninstalling and rebooting.

    There is a new version of DWS under development, I haven't tried it :)
    https://github.com/nullptrspace/DWS

    Spybot Anti-Beacon - Windows 7,8,10
    https://www.safer-networking.org/spybot-anti-beacon/

    Windows Privacy Tweaker - Windows 7,8,10
    https://www.phrozensoft.com/2015/09/windows-privacy-tweaker-4

    Aegis for Windows 7/8.x - Block all known Microsoft spying and Windows 10 upgrade elements
    https://voat.co/v/technology/comments/853510

    And, we have a thread here at NBR for tracking the tracking done by Microsoft, and it's egregious Windows 10 upgrade onslaught through GWX. Find all the KB's to remove here as well, most up to date list I know of :)

    There is even a script that gets updated with the latest KB's to remove posted in the first page.

    Keep up with the list for new KB's to remove, every week or so new ones come around under different names and numbers doing the same thing as the ones we already blocked.

    Windows7/8 - Updates to hide to prevent Windows 10 Upgrade / Disable Telemetry
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-windows-10-upgrade-disable-telemetry.780476/

    Have fun :)
     
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    I have found Windows to be fine and don't really tune anything. Usually it's a 3rd party software ir driver causing the issues. It could piggyback on a Windows process but it is usually not Windows. Best thing to do is periodically wipe the laptop and start fresh
     
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    That's known as giving up :)

    If you think the solution is repeating the same mistakes over and over, you would keep re-loading Windows 10 to "solve the problem". :confused:

    The MS KB's uninstalled, schedules removed, services tuned, are not necessarily a dysfunction - we don't want that functionality on our computers.

    We want all the performance dedicated to our use, our software, our purpose for getting the computer.

    We don't need to also fulfill Microsoft's purposes as well. MS already has $B's invested in running their own computers MS doesn't need ours too :p

    You should learn how to debug your system instead of "shotgunning" the OS to "solve the problem"

    All you likely do by re-installing Windows 10 is to delay the problematic occurrences for a short time, until the combination of updates and your activities bring back the problem.

    Try a clean Windows 7/8.1 install, it will be far less problematic :cool:
     
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    Question re the display. You guys have mentioned that you overclock the display. I tried it and it caused a weird flickering that lasted a while.

    How do I determine the make of my panel and then find out what setting I can boost it to?

    Cheers again, in advance.
     
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    Display panel OC'ing to 100hz isn't always guaranteed. I have had several that would only go to 100hz, while others reached 110hz-120hz.

    I have seen mention from others that 94hz was highest for them. You could try 90hz first, then run up 1hz at a time until you see the instability, and back off 1hz-5hz and run that refresh.

    hwinfo64 main information dialog will let you dig in to all the hardware, including the display model/make.

    There was/is only one available 18.4 inch 16:9 1920x1080 ID: Samsung SDC4C48
     
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    Thanks again hmscott, you're a handy person to be able to fire questions to.
     
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    It really does invoke the feeling of the original. no cover, no regenerating health. A very crafty mechanism that encourages aggressive play (stagger an enemy then melee them for health). And it looks great. A breath of fresh air after several years of cover based health-regen shooters. Oh, and you can rip off an Imp's arm and beat him to death with it. And feed another mutant its still-beating heart. That alone is worth the price of admission :)
     
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    A word of warning to anyone thinking of picking up Mirrors Edge Catalyst. The game refuses to run until you have installed the most recent drivers (you get a popup telling you to update your drivers, and the game won't start).

    I'm still on 365.19, as the two versions after that are causing many people all sorts of problems, and I'm not ready to bite the bullet just yet. Refunded Mirrors Edge as a result, and will probably re-buy later once the driver situation is resolved (and probably by then Mirrors Edge will have dropped in price as well!)
     
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    anyone else have problems with the Xbox one wireless adapter not installing the drivers to the gt80?

    I'm on my second wireless adapter and it isn't working either.
     
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    i cant afford it :) want to trade? :p
    https://www.steamgifts.com/trade/fY0ua/h-games-w-doom-offers
     
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    what did u mean by that?
     
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    Mine works just fine under Win8.1. Sorry, I know that probably does not help you!
     
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    Gonna take it to the Microsoft store when i pick up my vive
     
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    "We don't need to also fulfill Microsoft's purposes as well. MS already has $B's invested in running their own computers MS doesn't need ours too :p"

    MS putting telemetry on our computers, with the associated load of background process services and scheduled uploads is accomplishing MS's purposes, not ours.

    For those of us with Windows 7/8.1, MS also loads software to hassle us to upgrade to Windows 10, again using our computer to accomplish MS purposes, not ours.

    We want to stay on Windows 7/8.1, and don't want / need MS to constantly fight us on our own computers to accomplish their purposes, not ours.

    Make sense?

    MS is using our computers to report back to MS.

    MS is forcing their desires on a computer we bought and paid for, taking away control of it for their purposes.

    If this wasn't crystal clear to you upon reading what I wrote, you may not understand much of what I write... read more, and slow down to read for comprehension instead of just to get through it.

    The world is written, whether on paper or in bits, learn to decode it, or others will take advantage of you.

    Just like MS is using your computer for their purposes because you didn't read the EULA for comprehension, and you agreed to let MS invade and control your PC, reporting everything it see's to whoever it must.

    Ok now, get the idea? :)
     
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    As mentioned by @Quokka Windows 8.1 update installs just fine on Windows 8.1.

    Did you follow the instructions here?:
    https://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox...roller-to-pc#20b5826936944a9a887b42c6b6ff0d66

    I plugged it in to several ports, and it worked fine, in the GT80 SLI-263 model on Windows 8.1.
     
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    Ah wait, my bad. Got a wireless XBOX controller here, not an XBOX One controller. Apologies! Maybe that is the easier option though - as the XBOX controller works just fine, not extra drivers needed and no hassle.
     
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    I don't know if you sorted it out but the Xbox one wireless controller and adaptor works fine on my gt80. Win 10 however.
     
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    im on windows 10...



    Had my laptop outside and it started raining (in houston it can rain while the sun is out) and my screen went grey and i had to perform a partial ec reset to get it to boot up into bios...
     
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    Mason, whenever you make a post like this, it would be helpful to remind the reader that you had a physical accident with your GT80 months ago.

    A robot crashed into your laptop causing enough damage to increase your CPU temp's by 10c, and causing frame, lid, and chassis damage.

    And, you still haven't had it fixed. :eek:

    Maybe put that in your signature, so that you don't have to keep putting it in your posts that mention some kind of unusual failure, like this one.

    It's not fair to the GT80S to blame these failures on it, as it's a uniquely gimped example. :confused: :oops: o_O

    An unknowing reader might assume it's a problem with all GT80S's, not just those that got kissed by a high-speed run amok robot. :p :cool: :D
     
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    It's quite obvious they can't put a 180W chip (1080) into a laptop (except Clevo behemoths) so let's see what's the truth.
     
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    Mason, you really need to slow down and start taking care of your hardware haha. The vive is more fragile than the GT80 so better be extra careful. I wouldn't recommend you buying it for now but do as you see fit :)

    They can, they just want to milk their customers. And partially it's a bad idea when they make the full chip and start castrating it to fit a certain TDP. It's best to make a lower end chip anyways, more balanced.

    We don't want to repeat the horrible mistakes of the GTX 480m.
     
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    I talked with the people at Microsoft and there's not going to be a screen update for at least 2 years
     
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    Looks like I lucked out with my screen. 72hz is all I can do. :(
     
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    Well 70hz is good, most games will do at least that, so you can limit FPS to 71 and you should run fast *and* cool :)
     
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    That's what I was trying to tell you, when VR requirements picked a 970 as the minimum spec, all games are written to that spec until they upgrade the spec.

    So MS is saying that spec will be in place for 2 years, and that sounds about right, but my guess is that it will only take a year - maybe less - for the 1080/1070/AMD GPU performance to push out a level 2 of that spec, and all the cool games will be built to that spec.

    That's why I suggested waiting this round out, as it's gonna get built over pretty quick. You will get those 2 years of games made to that spec, but the cool stuff will end up getting built "out of spec" into spec rev 2.0.

    If you hadn't mentioned all those other constraints, like a few short months to use it, then off to college, I wouldn't have suggested to wait so emphatically.

    For anyone else reading this, if you have the $, and I mean like you really won't miss the $ at all, and you have the time to burn / invest in it all, then by all means get it and enjoy it.

    If VR 1.0 doesn't get enough support, it will be a tougher sell to keep things going until VR 2.0 releases... whatever that is and whenever it finally releases.
     
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    Update bios and drivers and change GeForce driver. I got mine working at 90 :)
     
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    Hi guys, I'm back!
    I'm getting my GT80S-002 this week; same specs as this:
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    I bought my laptop from GenTech and requested a pre install of Windows 7 as I did not want to upgrade to Windows 10.
    Apparently though, I think Microsoft has decided to force an upgrade on everyone in the past week or two.

    As of recieving the laptop and booting it, I am afraid that all pre-installed drivers will fail and become a ****ing mess.
    Can anyone guide me through what I should do Uppon recieving the laptop?
    I don't want to mess up the hardware.

    I was also wondering if there's a guide for making OC profiles for the GPUs and CPU that you can easily turn on and off for gaming/casual stuff.
    And I was wondering how good does the Witcher 3 actually run on stock?

    EDIT: FYI I am very busy with "school" stuff and I really just wanted to "PLUG AND PLAY" and not have to deal with installing drivers and mess with everything to get it working. I really just wanted to get it all configured and ready to go without any hassle.
    My experience with getting an Alienware laptop(s) that are not running properly was a huge annoyance and I don't want to go through with that again.
     
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