***The Official MSI GT80 Titan Owner's Lounge***

If you bought your laptop mainly for gaming, windows 10 would be the far better choice since Direct12 is only supported on Windows 10. If not, you can choose to buy with win7/8.1 but you might end up with regretting that choice with the way MS pushes Win10 aggressively.

 

For a stock score, that's very good

Here is a comparison against my SLI-263 OC'd:
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/9242616/fs/5708173

 

You are stretching this a bit "far"

Windows DX12 is in it's infancy, it will be at least a year before enough games have both DX12/DX11 for actual comparison, and so far DX12 is slower than DX11 and has terrible multi-gpu effectiveness.

Also, this time it's certainly not a given that DX12 will be the winning API moving forward. Vulkan has a much better chance for cross system support, which matters #1 these days.

MS is constantly messing up game feature support through the Windows 10 Store, back fixing things that should never have made it to our view.

Limiting sales to Windows 10 will forever marginalize (make a smaller market for) Windows 10 games.

MS is pissing off developers as well with their game limitations for sales through the Windows 10 store. There are other places to invest development funds that provide better returns, and much larger markets.

And, I think it's MS that will regret pushing Win10 Agreessively

 

Well, Steam is dominant store on PC and DX12 is not exclusive to WIn10 store. Windows 10 store limitation would only hurt their own store but not much in windows 10 itself. Also, DX12 is faster on AMD gpus and Nvidia Pascal is also better optimized on that.
Vulkan is probalby going to be as popular as how OpenGL was popular lol.

 

i dont own gt80 lol. i wouldnt have gotten it with bga and no 3rd fan just wasnt good enough i know it will overheat on the things that i do. gt83 looks promising, bga is bad but well if i can get a decent chip that can do 4.2x then i'll think about it

 

No, no, and no - probably a few more "no's" to cover the misconceptions / information you didn't mention

There are operations that AMD does better than Maxwell on DX12, and Pascal doesn't improve from Maxwell much on DX12 beyond the scaled performance improvements.

Actual FPS improvements throughout a game are non-existent on Pascal, and barely noticeable on AMD as a few FPS more or less DX12 vs DX11:

GeForce GTX 1080 / Fury X DirectX 11 vs DirectX 12 Benchmarks


DX12 is a fat load of nothing new vs DX11, all the claims as thus far puffed up BS and it's slower overall - coupled with the slower performing Windows 10 overall you get less performance for more hassle.

Play MS exclusives on your Xbox(en), forget Windows 10, and live the life of joy and happiness on Windows 7/8.1.

 

4.2ghz may be possible, but most run day to day on 4.0ghz, which is enough for most work / gaming.

New laptop CPU's are just around the corner, another 10% + dual core iGPU's!!

 

Heh, you talk about misconceptions when you don't understand what DirectX12 is all about lol. DirectX12 won't improve games much that is already designed around directx 11. It enables draw call overhead reduction so games will be less CPU limited when dealing with complex scenes with lots of AI and physics. Directx 12 improved performance for AMD gpus because they suffered from huge draw call overhead problem in directx 11, improvements were far bigger on lesser AMD gpus like 290/390, but not much on Fury/Fury X due to being RoP limited. Also, DirectX 12 enables Asyc Compute, that allows graphics and compute to be executed cocurrently instead of waiting for queues for each.
Maxwell n Kepler Gpus doesn't have support for Async so that is reason why they actually perform worse in Directx12 than 11, while AMD's GCN does. Pascal doesn't suffer from performance hit on Directx 12 because it has better scheduler to compensate for lack of hardware async support.

DirectX12 IS NOT EXCLUSIVE TO GAMES ON WINDOWS 10 STORE, there are going to be directx 12 games on steam, origin, uplay or whatever digital game platform there might be in the future. Stop talking about MS exclusive nonsense lol.

Directx 12's improvement and potential are legit and it is far from "fat load of nothing new" I understand your hatred toward Windows 10 with its huge pile of mess over privacy concerns but don't spread misinformation just to get your point across.

 

@JasonLLD

You were talking about DX12 in the context of a Windows 10 advantage, and that's how I responded.

DX12 is not a good reason to move to Windows 10 now, and certainly not for quite some time to come.

Whatever the technical "proof" given for improvements in DX12 over DX11, those benefits just aren't showing up in games as meaningful FPS performance improvements now.

I showed you new DX12 game performance vs DX11 for the same games, and clearly DX12 is not better, DX11 walks all over DX12 performance.

You can use whatever excuses you want, but it comes down to DX12 is not ready to show improvement in games that we can use now.

Do you play your DX12 capable games in DX12 mode, or DX11 mode for higher FPS?

If you aren't getting benefits from DX12 right now, there is no need to upgrade to Windows 10 right now.

Do you understand what I am getting at? The "promise" of DX12 is not a good reason to Upgrade to Windows 10 now.

When DX12 has hardware support in new GPU's that shows benefits in games over DX11, maybe in a year or two, then it's time to re-evaluate whether it's time to "put up with Windows 10" for the gaming benefits of DX12 on Windows 10.

Right now, DX12 is not a reason to Upgrade to Windows 10, nor for the foreseeable future.

 

Yes. I purchased the 2800Mhz Ripjaws but it runs at 2400Mhz according to BIOS and XTU. I AM a little disappointed that they didn't set it up for the max speed, but on the other hand... the timing is 17-17-17-39 now. I believe the timing for 2800Mhz is (listed) 18-18-18-43. This just MIGHT BE faster configuration the current one, but I believe you forgot more about that than I'll ever learn so I'll be waiting for your input.
But I agree with you, that if they're selling 2800Mhz RAM for this laptop, it should run @2800Mhz out of the box.
Although the difference in price between 2400 and 2800 wasn't that much.

 

No need to remove the battery. I believe you wouldn't be even able to do that since the battery is under a plastic piece and you cannot get to it without removing the mobo. Just unplug it. It's plugged into mobo just under the SSD on the left side of your HDD. You need tyo remove the SSD, it's underneath it. Quite easy access. Although you DO need to be careful unplugging ANYTHING from the mobo. I messed up in the past and needed to fix the wire(s) with hot glue.

 

If you're talking about my problem, there was no hardware damage. Just misconfigured RAM timings in BIOS.
It happens if you don't know what you're doing. Everytime you tweak something in XTU which requires restart, there is a potential your computer won't boot up if you set just ONE thing wrong. Then you have to reset the BIOS if you're lucky enough and didn't push it too far and fried something permanently. It shouldn't happen, but it does happen.

 

What is the CMOS chip?
Complementary metal-oxide semiconductor, or CMOS, typically refers to a battery-powered memory chip in your computer that stores startup information. Your computer's basic input/output system (BIOS) uses this information when starting your computer.
Source: GOOGLE

 

Your experience will be better I'm almost sure. I just like to tinker and tweak and find out the boundaries as to how far I can push it before it starts failing to get a better idea what I'm working with.

 

sad thing is intel have their kaby as optimization. honest donno if there will be any ipc improvement at all. another part is, i need lot of 3rd level cache on the things i do its memory intensive, this will be a downgrade for me in that regards. mobile cpu 6MB instead of old school 8MB cache. lot of things to look for man.

but if there is a clevo releasing another 6/8c then i'll almost definitely be going to that instead of a 4c, usually more coress come with more cache shared too.

 

rofl you're using 1 game to make judgement, but you're right win10 upgrade just for dx12 is nonsense its not worth the trouble. if only win10 reconstruct its whole thing and it can take advantage of avx2 and multithread harder i wouldnt have problem upgrading to it.

 

I keep getting random bluescreens, especially while surfing on google chrome with some/many tabs open.
Only way I am able to stop this is removing both extra RAM sticks, but I paid for 4 RAM sticks and don't want to compromise on using only 2..

What should I do?

 

Lol I had my ram before they had high speed ram like yours available... Mine was originally like $600 but I got it pricematched with another computer company that went out of business right after lol -- got the ram price halved!

 

Tell xotic PC their ram doesn't work-- they warranty their work

 

likely not a ram issue not running at 2800. perhaps some restriction done by msi? who knows

 

Nope. I already fixed it. It runs on 2800Mhz now.

 

Maybe I should check my ram how u do this?

 

You can do this either from bios or from xtu. Make sure overclocking is "enabled" in bios, then load one of XMP profiles. Or you can do this manually by editing the timing table by yourself. But remember what happened when I did it before. Almost RMA. Tread lightly. Those are most sensitive bios settings.

 

likely not but if ur ram supports xmp profile and allows it to run higher without increasing latency then its worth a try. i usually dont overclock ram because its annoying to do and gain nothing in performance, ram is the last thing i overclock.

 

BTW How did you overclock your graphics cards? Did you flash a custom bios to your 980?? Because I can't go that high in overclocking them.

 

"Tinker and Tweak", that's my problem too. Seems I'm never happy unless I'm screwing around with it. If it's running great, I have to try for greater. I've learned quite a bit fixing my screw ups.

 

I know, that'll be a sad day. But, I disliked Win 8.0 so much I've kept 7. Was hoping Win 10 would be better than 8.

 

Interesting, can you post a photo? As I recall the cmos battery needs to be removed, popped out, as the plug/cable you refer to is plugging in something else - it's not the CMOS battery wire/plug.

 

That's good news, did the GT80S will read the XMP profile for 2800mhz?or how did you fix it?

 

No, it's all DX12 games so far aren't showing any benefit, with DX11 mode running faster FPS. The performance video I posted shows 3 games in DX11/12 on the 1080/FuryX at 3 resolutions.

There are other videos, and there are some situations on AMD cards that show DX12 faster for the AMD card than DX11 on the AMD card, but not often. And, who runs AMD cards in a laptop? They are all Nvidia. Other performance videos show the same, DX11 is faster.

With the Nvidia 1080/1070 at least the gap between DX11/DX12 is narrower, but still there is no reason to run DX12 - it's slower or the same +-margin of error readings 1-2 FPS.

If you have a DX12 game on Windows 10, you are running it in DX11 mode, or you aren't getting full performance on Nvidia GPU's.

Is anyone regularly getting faster performance on DX12 vs DX11, or are you all running DX11 mode in DX12 capable games on Windows 10??

 

dx12 gives decent performance jump on amd hardware, especially older hardware, its a great thing to have for people who wouldnt want to spend more and only care about gaming on pc. for everything else, not so much.

 

A picture? I wish I wasn't 1. so lazy and 2. back in my truck on the way to WA. But I found a picture on the interweb.
See that twisted red/black wire just besides the hdd where the ssd goes? That's it. The battery is located under that black plastic and it's in yellow shrinkwrap.

Yep. XMP did the trick.

 

That's a perfect description of my syndrome. I should ask a doctor to give me a prescription next time.
Just found out that my GT80 CPU doesn't like to run @4.4GHz, so I'm running it only @4.3 now. LOL
No real performance gained but it feels SO GOOD!

I couldn't STAND Win 8 so much, I thought I'll stay on Win7 forever. Then I installed Wim10 to try it out. In dual boot just in case. But I found out I didn't boot into Win7 in weeks afterwards, so I just deleted the partition. No regrets.
There are valid objections about Win10 and privacy, but frankly... I don't give a s... care.
I've got no secrets, I'm not running a business from my laptop or running for the office.
One cannot really avoid to being spied on regardless of system one is running anyway unless one decides to get offline completely.

 

they need to have more 2.5" drive at sata 6gbps. having a lone m.2 at that speed ruins the mood and i'd have to re wiring and mod it myself, quite annoying. hoping to see msi adjust that, or intel new chipset adjust that but prob wont happen for awhile.

nevertheless, i can't wait to see the inside of gt83 and gx800

 

That's really good, best I could do was 4.2ghz for benchmarking, 4.0ghz for everyday gaming use.

That's really not the point, having "secrets".

It's like someone can walk up to your front door, any time of day - without notice - without knocking, and walk in and look around your house.

Would that be ok because you have "no secrets"?

Except this is worse, MS never leaves the "house", schedules reports to send back home to MS, and gives those reports to whoever asks.

There is plenty wrong with Windows 10 besides the enforced privacy violation, forced updates, forced advertising, forced loading apps to sell you onto your PC automatically - 5 now and 10 with the next glorious update, and lots more.

It goes on and on, and Windows 10 is the place where it is all happening.

Windows 7/8.1 are being left alone on some of those fronts. It's nice and peaceful

 

2.5" take up too much internal space. M.2 SATA are the same price, and you can get 2x as many in the same space.

The GT80 had 4x M.2 SATA. The GT80S has 2x M.2 PCIE x4 and 1x M.2 SATA, they had to lose a SATA M.2 and slow down the 2.5" to grab enough PCIE lanes for the 2x M.2 PCIE slots.

Hopefully the GT83 with the Series 200 Chipset and Kabylake will bring enough PCIE lanes to bring back 4x M.2 and full speed 2.5".

IDK what a interim GT83 with Skylake would have, probably the same as the current GT80S.

 

I guess I haven't seen older AMD GPU's tested, just the current R9 380/390, Nano, Fury, Fury X, RX480, and I'm not impressed with DX12 on them. There are some games in some resolutions that show improvement, but it's hit and miss, and not consistent.

For such a small pool of games with DX12, and no consistent meaningful improvement, I can't recommend upgrading to Windows 10 on the hope that DX12 enabled games will run faster, eventually.

The 1000's of games people already have and play aren't going to be helped at all by moving to Windows 10 - they don't support DX12. In fact many older games will no longer be compatible, or run slower.

 

just my personal need mate. M.2 doesnt go to 2TB just yet and even if it does, its not enough for me lol. im looking for 2.5" 8TB enterprise SSD to fit into 2.5" space hence the need for it, more the better so i can rid of my external NAS and harddrive all together.

 

Yeah, I know. But if it isn't MS, it's Google, Facebook, or the government or some other entity.
You can't really escape unless you cut the (imaginary) cord,

 

That's not true, fortunately, you can stop most or all of it with simple tools and configuration.

The simple act of getting informed how to control these things, and even more importantly, finding out what they all are - there are a surprisingly large number of "invisible" items to know about - puts you way ahead of not knowing.

Taking control, even 1 item at a time over a period of time, will bring you out of most or all of it.

Triaging the worst of the available software, dropping the worst privacy offenders - like Windows 10 - when you can substitute something just as useful - like Windows 7/8.1 - helps a lot, and reduces the load of what you need to deal with.

You don't need to completely cut the cord, and you don't need to give up so easily, be aware of data leakage and the privacy implications, and be proactive about your software and network usage.

It's really not that hard, and you learn lots of fun stuff, tuning and configuring, kinda like benchmarking, but useful

 

What are your temperatures when benchmarking @4.2Ghz?

 

It depends on the benchmark of course, at 4.2ghz thermal throttling will happen - but if the average gain outweighs the peaks of heat and throttling - you get a net gain in performance.

Like you already said, it's just for fun.

The real long term performance optimal setting is 4.0ghz for interactive use, and 3.5ghz on all 4 cores with whatever undervolt you can swing at that speed for long running batch jobs.

I was able to sustain 3.5ghz on all 4 cores for hours at a time without power or thermal throttling with a -110mV undervolt.

Edit: Thermal throttling happens at 93c, higher temps are rare for me on the GT80 as I have the fans at full speed when benchmarking so the fans cool off the CPU quickly when it Thermal throttles.

 

How to do it!?

 

How do I do what/which thing? I use Intel XTU for CPU OC tuning and MSI Afterburner + Rivatuner for GPU OC tuning.

 

Prema bios mod or standard?

 

I don't do BIOS/vbios mods, as they void the warranty on most laptops, so nothing is used beyond the stock BIOS/vbios.

I do tune the OS, dropping services I don't need, disabling all the background processes I can, and I make multiple runs to make sure I can recreate the run multiple times.

I don't use air-conditioners or ancillary cooling, other than the Cooler Master Ergostand III that the GT80 sits on for the tests.

I also run full fan speed before/after and during benchmark runs to cool as best the laptop can.

 

Does anyone have any guide or links that would show me how to replace the LCD screen?

I'm having trouble getting the bezel off... I would really appreciate any help right now. :c

 

Interesting. Thermall throttling happens for me at over 95c.

 

Maybe there is some hysteresis in the readout's, but it's supposed to be the same for all the Haswell / Broadwell / Skylake(??) CPU's at 93C.

What are you using to read it out? I use hwinfo64, and use the logging function so I can see sample time by sample time the entire set of data for any moment in time.

It helps to find the thermal throttle Yes entry and then look up the Core temp for that throttled core at the same instant in time.

Check out the log to find the thermal throttle / core temp readings at the same sample time, it should be the same for you as for everyone else.

Intel doesn't seem to publish the thermal throttle temperature, at least I can't find it right now.

100c Junction Temperature is the maximum temperature allowed at the processor die, that's about it.

When the Skylake CPU was announced the JT was supposed to be 105c, but then Intel dropped it to 100c at release.

Skylake thermal throttle point might be different, check out the logging results and please let us know what you find.

 

I have a problem installing Intel Management Engine (ME) driver. It returns "Fatal error during installation" without any more detail.
Anyone?