***The Official MSI GT80 Titan Owner's Lounge***

ryzeki, when you are talking about limited memory bandwidth, are you talking about CPU memory or GPU memory? Have you upgraded to 2133mhz memory for your CPU?



The bandwidth improvement going from 1600mhz to 2133mhz is impressive, going from 14.35GB/sec to 27.45GB/sec at 4.0ghz. That is the same as Skylake. On Skylake you can run faster clocked memory, but slower response, it seems to scale the same. IDK what the upper limit is for DDR4 on Skylake CPU's being released now, but the highest I have seen is a 6700K @ 2666mhz => 31.84GB/sec.

http://www.sisoftware.eu/rank2011d/...ecd1e0c6ae93a680f8c5f4d2b7d2efdff98ab78f&l=en

The newer Pascal GPU will hopefully offload the CPU from the 4k rendering we are seeing now with the 980m. At least it needs to, because in order to scale what we are seeing now to 4k @ 60fps+ we are going to need water-cooling to run the CPU/GPU SLI otherwise

Unless we can come up with more efficient 4k, our CPU/GPU power/cooling requirements are going to be too high.

 

Guys, there's new BIOS updates for the GT80, same update for both Broadwell and Haswell:
http://www.msi.com/support/nb/GT80-2QE-Titan-SLI-4.html#down-bios

The version goes up to E1812IMS.117 (last version I saw there was .113, jumped 4 versions)

Anyone understand what they are saying was changed?

"Disable ANX1122 spectrum."

The closest I could find via google was this:

Analogi ANX1122 DisplayPort translator
https://www.google.com/search?q=Analogi+ANX1122+DisplayPort+translator&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

WTH is that? And, do I / we really want to disable ANX1122 spectrum? Why? What? is the reason? And, how will it affect video out through my DisplayPort's?

 

Totally Agree! Those 990m's in sli should be able to run anything in 4k!
Hope they are in the next Gt80!

 

my laptop doesn't get bios updates (my firmware shows its from 2006!)

 

wondering if they will do a couple other fixes. For instance, I can't keep windows 10, the wifi driver is just unreliable. that and the display adapter fails running firefox with any new nvidia drivers for me. I have the haswell gt80. the nvidia cards play all my games great, its just hardware acceleration with firefox always crashes after a while. Maybe its more of a firefox issue. I dunno. But would love to have a better windows 10 version of creative SB and better wifi for Windows 10 some time soon.

 

mason2smart, from those that know, the 990m's are at best 30% faster than the 980m's, that won't be enough for full 60 fps @ 4k on new games. 30% improvement over 30fps = 9 fps, probably a bit less in SLI.

And, the 990m's will draw more power and generate more heat.

The upgrade to look forward to are the Pascal GPU's, new architecture on a die shrink. More efficient and cooler, with optimized 4k handling, hopefully

 

Games will get more hungry for power over time too of course and the die shrinks/arch are not likely to be that quick in coming,

 

johnnobts, SB is gone, there isn't going to be a Windows 10 release, at least that is what I have heard.

If you got the Windows 10 drivers from MSI, and you are having problems, reach out to the MSI support for help. They might have beta's you can test, and they at least need to hear the released Windows 10 drivers aren't working for you.

Please let us know what MSI says, and what the solution's are.

 

mason2smart, you don't want auto-updates to the BIOS from an OEM, you want to go to their support site for your laptop and look for updates.

BIOS updates are something you need to evaluate on a case by case basis and make sure the bugs / improvements it fixes/brings are something you want/need before installing them.

BIOS updates usually stop soon after release, but can continue long term for a laptop like the GT80, which has a long upgrade / support life.

 

The thought of auto bios updates gives me nightmares.

 

yes but my laptop is from 2013. and the firmware says its from 2006????

 

Pascal probably wont be out till june next year

 

mason2smart, often the base copyright notices are older than the actual issue date of the BIOS, check with the support site for that laptop to get the actual issue date - and an updated BIOS

 

mason2smart, plenty of 1080p gaming to be had between now and then...

Good thing we have a 1080p screen instead of a 4k screen

 

Prostar seems to have the best upgrade prices on RAM. The one downside I've encountered with them is non-responsiveness: I e-mailed them for the details of their "no dead pixel warranty" and they never responded. That was over two weeks ago--not very encouraging.

 

Good to know... I guess our questions about resellers went unnoticed!

 

1) My question regarding the battery is: will the laptop run off of AC with a dead battery in it? Or does it require a working battery even if running off of AC power? Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I'm new to laptops/notebooks.

2) Glad you didn't have any SSD issues, but some people have. I figured I'd try to avoid the issue by replacing the stock Kingston SSDs with a single SSD of another brand. I've read good things about the Samsung EVO 850, I may get one of those.

I plan to keep the included 1TB HD and use an external drive bay for extra storage. Out of curiosity, what is the brand/model of the 2TB HD drive you got? The only 2TB laptop drive I've seen was spinning at 5400 rpm, which is pretty slow.

4) I have no interest in overclocking anything. I just want to test the components of the system to weed out any marginal components (if any). My everyday usage will not do this.

Thanks for the responses.

 

Latest drivers from GFE (girlfriend experience?) seem to be working fine now on Windows 10

An update to activating Windows 10 if you did a clean install. You can extract your Windows 8.1 key from Bios (you can use a tool within Windows that will give you it), then contact Microsoft support via chat or phone and they should be able to help you out. My windows 10 clean install is now activated

 

This is the exact issue I was talking to hmscott about but he thinks it doesn't exist for some reason when it has affected quite a few people. And I have the same laptop as him, SLI-263 version. They released a new driver a week ago though it seems and I'm hoping I can use it, no issues so far. Otherwise I would suggest using the OEM drivers from MSI website. You can also uninstall the majority of the killer/wifi software other than the main drivers. Download the killer suite installer, run it and click modify, you'll be given options to uninstall the software you don't want.

 

chronoshift, I am using Windows 8.1. I have said this many many times.

I am not using Windows 10, and I am not going to use Windows 10, for a very long time, if ever. And, so I can't help fix Windows 10 bugs.

All my comments, reviews, benchmarks, questions and answers are all based on Windows 8.1.

I spent lots of time helping people fix Windows 8.1 bugs, and if Microsoft/NSA hadn't messed up privacy on Windows 10, I would be helping people get through the Windows 10 bugs as well.

Killer Wireless driver suite 1.1.55.1538 is installed, and I used the uninstaller to remove the Killer Bandwidth shaping software after initial install. It is working great for me on Windows 8.1. I know newer versions are available, but I have lag free gaming, video, streaming, and 190Mbit/sec downloads, so why change it?



When you find a combination of drivers on Windows 10 that work for you, please let us know... I imagine that will be in about 6-8 months...

Seriously, that's about how long it takes after each generation of Windows "upgrades" for drivers, applications, bugs, etc to calm down and you can get back to enjoying your Windows system like you did before the upgrade.

That's why I always recommend "normal" people to wait 6-8 months before upgrading. Let the bugs get worked out, the drivers updated, and the people trained on how to help users upgrade.

There is absolutely Zero Reason to upgrade to Windows 10. It offers nothing except the loss of Privacy.

Windows 10 - The Loss of Privacy Edition

 

Great, now that you have a *clean* Windows 10 install, and can't easily recover back to your original Windows 8.1 OEM configuration, you know, the stable one?

Read the Windows 10 EULA.

Microsoft EULA Windows 10 : Big Bad Brother
http://planetdumb.com/tag/microsoft-eula/

"The European Digital Rights Organization summed it up with the following statement:

“One can say that Microsoft basically grants itself very broad rights to collect everything you do, say and write with and on your devices in order to sell more targeted advertising or to sell your data to third parties. “The company appears to be granting itself the right to share your data either with your consent ‘or as necessary’.”"

There is still time to hang up the open party line to MS you have created, sending all your private actions on your personal computer directly to several locations, some MS, some ?, and reinstall your Windows 8.1 license.

Can Microsoft Access Your Hard Drive With Windows 10?


I have heard you actually have 1 year to reclaim your original Windows 7/8.1 license, the one you "burned" to install Windows 10.

It's not to late... lots of people have done it, lots more are thinking about it, you know you want to do it, to have a nice warm glitch free Windows installation again - you know, like you had before installing Windows 10?

Even when told not to, Windows 10 just can’t stop talking to Microsoft
http://arstechnica.com/information-...ndows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/

Just imagine, no more network problems

Lots of people are complaining about this, you are looking in the wrong place for the solution to your problem. Re-Install Windows 8.1, that is the solution.

 

Lol laptop crapped out when I ran driver verifiers my back on 8.1 as well

 

with skylake, dmi 3.0 on chipset making capable reaching at 3600MB/s and pascal GPU, ddr4 64gb ram sodimm making this laptop obsolete. kinda feels like when people made xps m2010 laptop with no room to upgrade, at least this laptop comes with broadwell.

if it comes with skylake HK unlocked processor, then its worth buying even if it's soldered CPU. no HQ TDP limited junk.

 

Lol trying to get laptop to last 2 more weeks......... My new 8.1 os is corrupted....

 

Has anyone heard anything about skylake CPUs going to the gt80 Titan? In still holding off until then. I know Msi announced a couple of other laptops with skylake.

 

Ya nothing yet that I have heard but same here waiting for the HK cpu to drop into the sli mothership.

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didnt you own the haswell version? planning to swap out entire mobo wouldnt that void warranty?

all of the latest laptops gx700 and acer predator comes with skylake HK CPU and 980m/990M along with 64GB of ram support. all comes with NVMe SSD as well too, I wonder how MSI will deal with this because currently all of their 4 slots of SSD are m.2 but runs off SATA rather than pcie, which is capped at like 2GB/s rather than dmi 3.0 capable up to 3.6GB/s if raided with bunch of pcie ssds.

 

Mb swap I really expect to not be possible, I was planning to just buy another one and sell the haswell 009.

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i see, well if someone gets it with just 1yr warranty then MB swap is probably worth it, if one can find it on sale that is for a decent pricing. i hope the HK CPU isnt TDP capped, gotta wait until some review comes out to see if its capable at 4.4ghz forever instead like 15 secs

 

MSI is definitely taking their time... Maybe they didn't design ahead for their next laptop and wanted to see what Asus and Acer had in mind?

 

asus/acer gaming laptop already made their debut just not on sale yet, msi's broadwell machine just came out not too long ago what is the chance they revise again lol.

 

It's a possibility that msi could have waited to see, but all these big companies get hardware super early to tweak and make it work with their stuff. They most likely have a new gt80, but it's in beta or something close to coming to the real deal.

 

It's hard to say they are being slow when no one has released yet lol.

 

they got the broadwell out only like a month ago? doing an entire new mobo that fit into same chassis might seem costly with no earning margin.

 

mason2smart, the curse of the OS upgrade... scary stuff

Why 2 weeks?

 

unityole, the GT80 is a flagship product, meant to attract sales for other models, I would be surprised if MSI waited for very long.

But, it is likely an incremental upgrade, to redesign for an unlocked TDP CPU would take a cooling redesign to make it useful - fan upgrades + new 3rd fan + larger heatsink/heatpipes. That fully upgraded GT80 might be a while down the road.

 

shouldnt it rather be the opposite? flagship of that size is popular among people like us, which is like less than 0.000001% laptop buyers out there lol.

 

unityole, MSI isn't going to make a loss on the GT80, but they also aren't going to make much of a profit.

The GT80 is a flagship, a statement of brand, something to aspire to, it attracts people to the other models in the line.

MSI aren't going to let it drop as it is a statement of their brand ability and direction.

MSI is getting the other models out with Skylake first, and that is where they make their profit.

http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/flagship

"a single item from a related group considered as the most important, often in establishing a public image "

These days we hear flagship phone, and we think, costs the most and ships the most units, but usually the flagship is out of reach of most, and is used as an attraction to the brand that can be used to turn people to purchase the more affordable products in the line.

What does the word ‘flagship’ really mean?
http://pocketnow.com/2014/10/07/true-meaning-of-flagship

Anyway, the GT80 can be both the flagship - most desireable, and profitable. That is what drew me to it, practical implementation of the best gaming tech in a cost effective package, and I hope MSI continues to delivery the best technology implementations through the GT80.

But, most likely MSI will feel the pressure to push out a Skylake first generation CPU product through the GT80 to keep it relevant, which most likely won't be the best Skylake CPU that will be eventually released. Higher end examples of Skylake will likely continue to be released.

The GT80 came in at the pinnacle of mobile Haswell (HQ), and caught the Broadwell (HQ) die shrink of mature Haswell pinnacle CPU's, but is now faced with entering Skylake with a new generation architecture that hasn't had time to mature yet.

It will be fun to see the redesign of the GT80 down the road.

 

make you think about how intel in the old days had rebatch of cpu in half year time, such as 2920xm to 2960xm, a more stabled, power efficient version of the same generation. now that everything is HQ soldered, I highly doubt intel will make batchs of CPU within 1 yr, there are more likly to make the 2nd batch as refresh next year, and call it something like kabylake to skylake.

 

unityole, Intel is calling them different things now, but it's still the same thing, new CPU's dropped throughout the year. Skylake, Kabylake, it's all the same, just different names - numbers - CPU ID's.

Intel 14nm Kaby Lake “Skylake Refresh” Platform Detailed – Launching in 2H 2016, 256 MB eDRAM H-Series and 91W K-Series Unveiled
http://wccftech.com/intel-14nm-kaby...16-256-mb-edram-hseries-91w-kseries-unveiled/


Whatever you get, it will be, in your terms - "obsolete" - in months.

Our "obsolete" GT80's will still perform just as well, up until the next GPU release, and we can upgrade to that if we choose, or wait until the next GPU upgrade after that.

So pick your soon to be "obsolete" GT80 model, the sooner you do, the sooner you can start gaming. We already are

 

i think you got mixed up what i was talking about. back in sandy/ivy intel had released two batch of CPU about 5-6mo after initial release, again example like 2920xm to 2960xm, or 3920xm to 3940xm and as you can see its mostly frequency boost and more power efficient/stable, thats within 1 yr of time.

the above no longer holds true starting from Haswell as first gen of haswell take 4930mx for example lasted 1 yr until 4940mx replaces it with the refresh in the 2nd year, and thats still non-BGA. moving forward with BGA, intel will release 1 batch of CPU, 1yr and let it die, or have something to replace it but instead of calling it "refresh" they call it kabylake which is for marketing reason sounds like you're buying new technology which prob isnt much different.

with BGA soldered CPU now, once a release, you're stuck with it, otherwise upgrade mobo or wait for support from the vender.

anyway, obsolete have different meaning with different people though. and my m18x r2 still running hard on modded heatsink and 980m SLI, but I am missing out NVME PCIE SSDs in raid 0 for sure, and 64GB of ram.

 

unityole, NVME PCIE x4 SSD's are way too expensive to buy, and run way to hot to have a long life. A lot of improvements in price and cooling need to happen before I will be interested in them.

I had TB2 on my G750's and my external SSD RAID cost over $1200, nice, but too expensive. The price has actually gone up with the performance.

USB 3.1 with an external "drive" fast enough to make TB3 worthwhile will be between $1500-2000, and need to use NVMe PCIex4 SSD's in RAID0 as well to be able to meet the TB3 throughput requirements.

All nice stuff to run the numbers on, but putting out the $ needs a business justification, and this isn't a business laptop, so I can just swap drives for backups, so I don't need a fast external TB3 RAID array.

Nothing of interest for me to upgrade from the GT80 SLI 980m for a long time

 

The move from 2920xm to 2960xm and 3920xm to 3940xm offered no power savings, the chips overclocked the same baring the usual bell curve. It's an unlocked chip with the stock multiplier raised by 1.

 

Hey guys I'm a computer newbie and bought the GT80 970m sli a few months ago. To my dismay, it would not turn on today. The last thing I did was "update and shutdown" the computer but I was not connected to the Internet so it just shutdown. I have looked up how to get to the battery and it seems like a hassle. Should I attempt to disassemble the laptop myself or would it be better to contact MSI and get them to do it? Yes, I have registered the computer with MSI and am under warranty.

 

Fellow Titan owners, I need a bit of help! I have owned the Broadwell-258 (970sli) GT80 for a couple months now and its been great. I have an issue though that is driving me nuts, and I can't figure out what it is.

Basically, the computer is just crashing on me. The screen will just go black,, lights flicker a sec, then its booting back up to the Windows 8.1 login. It only happens after its been on for at least 30minutes. I don't think its temperature related because I can game for hours on end fine and then I'll be web-surfing later and it will still crash. Instead of trying to troubleshoot, I decided to reformat the 256GBssd drive the OS is installed on (I also have 2x500GBssd in Raid 0 for games and another 1tbHDD for media)

Well, today I've been enjoying a fresh clean install, installing drivers, etc, and then bam. It happened again, same crash. It has happened once more since then too.

I have no idea what to do now, the OS drive is formatted and its still crashing? Could it be hardware related? My temps as far as I know are fine. I have also done virus checks on all my drives (I have a legit copy of Bitdefender) and its all clean.

I'm going to call Ken from Gentech about it today, and its all under warranty, but I'm hoping all you guys' collective computer knowledge can steer me in the right way to solving this asap. I'm praying its software related but how the heck is it doing the same crash AFTER I just formatted the drive?

 

First thing I would recommend trying is going back to an older Nvidia driver, I have experienced this same behavior too after upgrading to the lasts driver so I rolled back to 353.62 and so far so good for me but I will post if It happens again.

 

Yeah, getting to the battery is a pain, but if you can, you can unplug it and then press and hold the power button for a good 30 seconds to 1 minute to completely discharge it, and then plug the battery back in and the AC adapter and try turning it back on. Check this link for how to get to the battery: http://www.myfixguide.com/manual/msi-gt80-titan-disassembly/

 

http://ark.intel.com/compare/91497,88192,88972,88970,88969,88967

It seems as though the unlocked cpu still has a TDP limit!

 

Thanks for the reply. By "unplugging/plugging" you mean the actual battery wires inside the unit, right?

 

Well, the connector for the battery to the motherboard. If you look at this pic: http://www.myfixguide.com/manual/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/MSI-GT80-Titan-Disassembly-12.jpg you will see the rainbow colored wires terminating into a white plug that plugs into a black port on the motherboard of the laptop. That's what you'd have to unplug as shown here: http://www.myfixguide.com/manual/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/MSI-GT80-Titan-Disassembly-32.jpg to disconnect it completely so that you can drain the capacitors and reset the CMOS by holding down the power button for 30 seconds to 1 minute.

Kind of a pain in this model