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The new 980 "desktop" mobile GPU is powerful, but singly compared against SLI, it's still not enough to beat the GT80, with either the 970m SLI or the 980m SLI




Nvidia announces GeForce GTX 980 for notebooks
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidia-announces-GeForce-GTX-980-for-notebooks.150756.0.html

 

Maybe they mean the 990m?

 

The 990m was the name used when we didn't know it was going to be called the 980 "desktop" mobile GPU.

 

New driver for the notebook 980 (eg. 990m)

 

mason2smart, it's possible, Nvidia will need a differentiator to use in the driver inf files

 

As i know 990m is another gpu different then the 980 desktop, its more powerful but GPU in question will be soldered onto the motherboard. Not mxm

[URL http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-mobility-gtx-990m-q4-2015-faster-than-gtx-980/ /URL]

 

ZoOLf, back then it was all speculation, the release / announcement today is real - the 990m speculation has become the => 980 "desktop" mobile GPU.

There is no 990m, unless something else is going to be released.

Might there be a soldered 980 "desktop" mobile GPU model, maybe, but so far all the announced laptops using the 980 "desktop" mobile GPU are MXM implementations.

 

The article also mentioned new cooling solution, as well as native fan control, so maybe they will rework the cooling of GT80 so that it fits GTX 980.

Two full desktop high end GPUs with an unlocked CPU.... We will need over 600w of power. The easy way out is dual 330w to be honest.

but as others have mentioned.... I am very worried about the price hahahaha.

And I am very hopeful we do get 980 as an upgrade but somehow I doubt it but I will remain positive about it!

 

Anyone else have a feeling MSI's upgrade program will just be a promise never kept? Really excited about swapping my 980ms to 980s and MSI did state that they will offer some upgrade program for GT80 owners but given the whole new concept of laptop gpus being full fledged gpus you think we will be able to upgrade our current systems?

 

Expecting to pay around $7000 CDN for the 6820HK/GTX 980 SLI... So about 5K USD .

Different size of card, not going to happen. Besides, they promised next 2 generations, not card revisions.

 

Yea but it has OPTIMUS

 

It's not a new generation probably will have pascal upgrade

 

Is there a possibility to transfer one of the 980m, from gt80 to gt72 or gt70 for example , is there any compatibility? They are both gpu mxm

 

I believe it should work as long as you have the proper heatsink & pad assembly to fit the GT72 since they both use the same slot. Other than that a 230w PSU.

 

Well that sucks. So will this be the new norm then? The new gpu size?

 

Will they have to use different mxm ports?

 

From mobile to mobile 900 maxwell gpu cards they would be the same. If you are referring to the desktop 980 gpu I don't know for sure until it's released and tested honestly but I expect it to be the same slot but bigger card size.

And its possible that some sort of power connector will be needed too if you think about it for the new 980 desktop gpu just announced, again time will tell once they arrive.

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It will be well over 100 W though...

 

mason2smart, no, it was just a poorly written sentence in one of the articles. Here is the author of another article answering a similar question:

• vshade - Tuesday, September 22, 2015
  So those will not support optimus? Or NVidia will make the rift work with optimus anytime soon? Reply
• Brett Howse - Tuesday, September 22, 2015 (article author)
  G-SYNC devices don't support Optimus. The GPU has to be directly connected to the display. All of the devices have G-SYNC with the exception of the GT80, and it has a hardware MUX for the GPU/iGPU instead of Optimus.

Desktop NVIDIA GTX 980 Coming To Gaming Notebooks
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9649/nvidia-gtx-980-in-notebooks

 

mason2smart, variable based on OEM, 125w-150w.

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Arrives on Gaming Laptops – 35% Faster Than GTX 980M, Full Overclocking Support
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-...35-faster-gtx-980m-full-overclocking-support/

"The GeForce GTX 980 has a TDP of 165W, the GTX 980M has a TDP of 125W while the GeForce GTX 980 (Laptop SKU) will have a TDP around 125W – 150W (configurable by OEM) since NVIDIA is using quality GM204 chips with the very best silicon and configuring the voltage accordingly to meet the performance demands. In fact, the GTX 980 uses a specialized MXM PCB board that comes with 4 to 8 Phase PWM supplies and deliver 50% higher current than the GTX 980M boards."

 

mobiousblack, we don't know yet, and besides the desktop 980 isn't a different generation, like Pascal, it is a "fat" version of our "thin" 980m's.

Besides, it looks like the MXM GPU is physically larger than what we have installed - it hangs out over the sides - beyond the MXM connector span.

Look at the 980m installed in the GT80 without the cooling covers, the board edges are flush with the MXM connector:



And, then look at the image of the MXM card in the announcement today, with the board extending past the MXM connection on both sides:



If MSI offers a GT80 980 SLI, it might very well be different enough inside so as to only ship as a different build than what has come before, and not as an upgrade.

That model GT80 980 SLI might need to have a different motherboard / metal / fittings to accommodate the larger MXM boards, and upgraded internals to feed the 980 SLI enough power.

Unless MSI does a 980 MXM board re-layout, then they could make it fit into our current GT80 interior.

A laptop for laptop upgrade would be easiest, and if not too expensive, that would be of interest. For all that upgrade effort/cost, not getting the new MB with new CPU / new IO would be a let down. Swapping straight across for the new laptop as an "upgrade" would make more sense - since so much is changing.

Hopefully we will find out soon.

 

I just hope it isn't the end of the normal high end laptop gpus. I was planning to upgrade my 980ms to whatever comes out and replaces them but with this recent announcement it's not looking likely anytime soon.

 

mobiousblack, they are all the same thing, it's a GPU on an MXM card, that plugs in to existing laptops. It's exactly what MSI promised. It isn't that they won't offer it, it's that we don't know, it's not been released for even a day, give them time

Besides, if they offered that upgrade now, I don't think I would take it, it's not a fast enough upgrade. I would want to save my upgrade(s) for better bang for the buck, so to speak.

The Pascal upgrade is a die shrink, so it won't require as much power. It will fit into the GT80 upgrade path better than this power hungry desktop->laptop chip migration.

 

yeah but if i get this model i should be able to upgrade to future desktop gpus

SOOOO worth the wait!

 

I don't know how reliable this article is but down at the bottom, the author states that the new gt80 will have a 4k display. http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphi...oks?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

No way in hell that it's reliable.

 

MSI is kind of pissing me off.

There I was, all ready to buy their GT80 SLI-263 (with the Broadwell CPU) and then comes news of a Skylake version. I see most of the discussion has been regarding compatibility/upgradability of the the new GPU. This may brand me a heretic in this forum, but I'm not all that concerned with the GPU. The 980m SLI is probably more than I'll ever need. I'm interested in Skylake for other reasons such as Thunderbolt, more SATA 3 and USB 3.1 ports, etc.

One thing that worries me is support for Windows 7. On the one hand, I want a machine with the latest and greatest hardware. On the other hand I need a machine that can run some of my older software which means, in some cases, using Win7's XP compatibilty mode.

Anyone have any thoughts, insights, or actual information regarding Windows 7 driver support for the Skylake version of the GT80?

Thanks

 

Well it is in some cases. The person that was wrote this was at the nvidia event. So not everything in there is garbage.

 

Was referring to the 4K 18.4" screen. We would have known about it beforehand if that was the case.

 

Ryan Shrout can be wrong, it's not likely that out of nowhere a 4k 18" screen has become available

Challenge Ryan, in his comment section, he seems to be responding to various questions, he might answer if you ask nicely.

But, if it's true, a 4k display in a "desktop" 980 SLI laptop, it might be the first time you could actually use that 4k display at native resolution in games.

Of course if it does have a 4k display, then we are up to $6000

 

Ben_, I wouldn't hope for full Windows 7 support in newer and newer technology releases. It's nice that MSI has provided it as long as it can, but really it's only possible if the OEM making the new hardware component provides the drivers - MSI doesn't write Windows 7 drivers - it's not their fault if there aren't any.

I would be most worried about Windows 7 support of the Skylake mobile chipset, and support for new IO controllers. There are complaints about no USB boot support for Windows 7 in Skylake. But, Optical disk installs still work

https://www.google.com/search?q=no+USB+boot+support+for+Windows+7+in+Skylake&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Noone is going to have actual GT80 Windows 7 knowledge outside of MSI right now. You could write and ask them via their support / chat channels. And, wait for release info for the new GT80 support area at MSI.

If you don't need the 980 "desktop" GPU, hopefully there will be other GT80 Skylake models, just like there were for the Haswell/Broadwell releases.

I would think this "desktop" 980 SLI model is going to be way pricey vs. the Haswell/Broadwell 980m SLI model, so unless you want the benefits of the expensive "desktop" GPU's, it's really not worth spending so much for them.

But, then again, the top Skylake CPU, the 6820HK might only be available in the top "desktop" 980 SLI configuration.

 

so here it is guys. " http://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidia-announces-GeForce-GTX-980-for-notebooks.150756.0.html" showing "Despite the inevitable high price tag, Nvidia has mentioned a number of OEM partners and designs, including the Gigabyte/Aorus (X7 DT), the Asus (GX700VO), the MSI (GT72, GT80) and the Clevo (P870DM). All models will support G-Sync and no Optimus except for the MSI GT80. In return, this massive MSI model will be the only notebook capable of supporting GTX 980 in SLI. The first notebooks with the GTX 980 GPU will come by the end of this month."

along with this being released, " http://www.storagereview.com/samsung_950_pro_m2_ssds_announced". if MSI support two of these in raid 0 via chipset its easily 3600MB/s read and 3000MB/s write.

specs pretty much same as desktop 980 except a bit lower TDP..

now onto real question, how would MSI deal with it's PSU problem. with dual PSU method? or restrain clock on CPU and GPU. two GPU being at 300w, theres nothing left for CPU and display as well as rest of the system, it isn't just going to work. an overclocked skylake CPU at 4.0ghz constant is easily going to drain 90-100w..

 

980 "desktop" GPU discussion started here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...n-owners-lounge.769092/page-324#post-10095783

Samsung M.2 950 here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...n-owners-lounge.769092/page-324#post-10095706

There has been lots of discussion in several threads:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/gtx-980-launched-for-notebooks.781812/

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...es-expectations.775918/page-106#post-10095693

And, there are lots more, NBR has been hopping today

 

actually it didnt mention anything about skylake cpu with gt80 so that part still unknown.

 

unityole, today was the "desktop" 980 mobile GPU announcement, not the GT80 Skylake models announcement.

Only a brief glimpse of the GT80 was seen in the videos about the new 980 "desktop" mobile GPU. And, I didn't see that GT80 plugged in or powered up. It might have been an old model GT80 used for display.

We are all still waiting to hear what the Skylake GT80 lineup is going to be.

 

Teksyndaicate's video around 7:00 talks about the gt80 and the one has brown key switches.

 

GingaBread, new video, nice find

All the GT80's so far have the MX Brown switches.

None of the "desktop" 980 video's show the MSI GT80 powered up and working, same goes for the Asus GX700.

I am assuming those are placeholder display mules - so the GT80 shown could be anything - including the GT80 Skylake + 980 SLI, but we can't be sure

 

Oh, I thought they only had the cherry mx Reds.

 

GingaBread, MX Brown switches, Red LED's

 

i guess i made the right choice to skip haswell and broadwell lol. pcie nvme and ddr4 + skylake if all those in gt80 its a decent buy.

i wonder how the different mxm board would fit in gt80 though, possibly a chassis change?

 

unityole, yes and no, it's yet to be seen what the cost will be over the $3699 980m SLI model for the 980 SLI.

Also we can't tell for sure if there are only 2x M.2 PCIe x4 slots, or if 2x M.2 SATA slots are also available for a total of 4 M.2 slots. So, less storage expansion in the new models with only 2x PCIe.

If you are looking for performance, at any cost, then yes it's good you waited.

 

BIOS & EC are involved during development so update/tuning from these are required.
Second, heatsink & cooling mount will need to be revised to support a different MXM board since a new card doesn't always have the same component placement as existing card.

 

I see a new bios version for the haswell version. Somebody has tried it?


Where i can find instruction to install prema bios on gt80?

Thanks in adv!
Bye

 

if it gets stuck at m.2 sata then very disappointing. if they are making changes as big as GPU swap + heatsink swap then may as well go all out btw how do you think PSU will work? two 980 SLI in MSI will go to 300 watt ez, theres not enough juice for rest of machine.

what they need is the existing fan system + 3 more heat pipes for CPU total of 5, the new 3 pipes would go towards a 3rd fan in the middle

 

unityole, fixed my post

It was supposed to say 2x M.2 PCIe x4 slots + 2x M.2 SATA slots, but right now we only see 2x M.2 PCIe x4 slots - so there is less storage expansion available in the new model.

The power solution needs to be user friendly, so hopefully MSI commissioned larger than 330w power adapters.

I don't want to carry around 2 huge 330w power adapters + the power bridge box

 

Hello I would like to take some doubts about my GT80
1 - Great Reasons to Move to windwos will lose performance?
2- The win drivers 8.1 64 work in win 10?
3- No boot I always have to start 2 x because the first raid recognizes the sequence 1-ssd-2 HD 3-ssd to later recognize the right order 1-ssd 2-ssd 3-HD how to solve this?
4- Some configuration Intel XTU to undertvolting, for I know not deal much with it
5- still use sound blaster switch to Nahimic is better?
Excuse the English do not know if this correct

 

They claim the notebooks will be out by the end of the month. Do you all think it will actually be out by then?

 

Hey guys, my GT80 titan SLI-263 is supposed to arrive on the 28th and I was wondering, is there anything I should know? (Ex. Should I install windows 10, are there any drivers I need to avoid, etc)

 

You may want to hold off on upgrading to 10. Your call, ultimately, but there are still some driver issues being ironed out.

 

Okay, thanks for the reply!