***The Official MSI GT80 Titan Owner's Lounge***

Guys, it looks like Samsung has "adjusted" the algorithm for the new 950 Pro, so "the heat related throttling problem is a non-issue"

One more SSD to be wary of... Yeah, it's Samsung again...
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/one-more-ssd-to-be-wary-of-yeah-its-samsung-again.781823/

"They stated during Q+A that this drive will only draw ~6 Watts and that they have 'changed their algorithm' to make the heat related throttling a non-issue. It's also worth stating that the SM951's are fine so long as you have a *minimum* of air flow over them or simply don't write to them at a continuous >1GB/sec."

It's actually just a realization that cooling is inadequate, the device is generating too much heat under sustained use at maximum throughput, and so they are "pre-throttling" in the firmware to avoid it in the new model.

For short burst use, and if you can keep it cool for longer transfers, you will get the advertised throughput.

I wonder if they timed the runtime of CrystalDiskMark and other IO benchmarks to sustain that maximum advertised throughput during a benchmark? That would be a reasonable "sustained throughput" timeout value for them to implement.

I wonder if some new form factors to assist in cooling and new hosted cooling solutions will be forthcoming soon.

 

To be honest a small metal area the drives can heatsink to with a pad should do the job.

 

Anyone that requires older OS, I heavily recommend just using virtual machines. There is no point in limiting yourself to old OS, specially for those programs that require even older OS. I constantly use virtual machines at work precisely for this reason. I use windows 10 on my main work machine, and I have Windows 7, XP, NT machines ready to use older software.

As for the new machine and what it represents: This is a desktop GPU on a mobile system. The fact that is not called something like GTX990m means nvidia does not want it to feel like just a mobile GPU but a full desktop card.

This means it is most likely a specialy product, and we will continue to see next gen GPUs. I don't think this affects MSI's promise of future upgrades for GPUs.

Skylake unlocked HK processor, plus GTX980 GPUS in SLI (I hope they are not limited to 125w TDP) means serious power, both in performance and the literal sense of power required haha.

 

Anybody can help me?

 

Meaker, that's a good start, provide a path for the heat transfer away from the M.2 SSD - but the SSD would need to have some way to connect to that metal to transfer the heat from it - much more efficient than the air gap.

And speaking of air gap, provide air movement along some path for continuous air flow over that SSD / heat sink out of that area.

Active rather than passive cooling is needed when the temps get so high, there isn't enough heat transfer at that level - the size / mass of the metal isn't enough alone to absorb the heat away from damaging the chips.

It's really not been thought through well enough by the laptop makers and even the M.2 SSD makers. There needs to be some innovation / improvements made.

 

SizeDrip, if your laptop comes with Windows 10, I would recommend downgrading to Windows 8.1 or even 7 if you prefer - something stable.

Windows 10 was just released, and it is a real mess. There are lots of posts in other threads, Windows 10 threads, you should read it if you are even thinking of installing Windows 10.

There really isn't / can't be a small/tight Windows 10 load that doesn't cause problems, as I would normally do.

There isn't a stable configuration available to hunker down in and protect yourself from updates - you would need /want to keep taking those updates.

Driver updates keep coming out for old hardware to make it run on Windows 10, bug / feature fixes needed for new hardware.

Windows 10 keeps updating and changing underneath it all. It's a moving target that won't give a stable place to be for quite a while.

And, even on Windows 7/8.1, find a stable driver pre-Windows 10 release, and stay with it until all the Windows 10 driver releases stop for a while.

With Windows 10 releases of drivers, the version number increases, and you could install it on Windows 8.1/7, and it might even have new features and bugfixes.

People are finding they are getting more problems than fixes and can't get a new driver on Windows 8.1/7 to be better/stable now either - fallout from the Windows 10 releases of the drivers.

Wait 6-9 more months, enjoy gaming/working on your stable Windows 8.1/7 machine, and wait even longer if there are no useful/functional advantages to run Windows 10. There sure aren't any now.

 

zziplex, noone is going to help your with BIOS/EC updates or Prema vbios installations, for the simple reason is that it can damage your laptop, and take it out of service if done incorrectly - even if done correctly sometimes.

If you just got a new GT80, and it's working ok, there really isn't a reason to get a BIOS update, just leave well enough alone.

If you want to ask MSI, they will likely tell you the same thing. If you don't have any problems, then there is no reason to update.

And, you didn't say in your email what version of BIOS/EC you have and what version you are thinking of upgrading to.

And, you haven't noticed or taken the time to read through the words / links on the BIOS/EC/firmware download pages.

They link to instruction pdf's and downloads to do the updates. Read them, and decide if you feel comfortable doing it yourself.

Prema vBIOS isn't something to take lightly. Talk with Prema and work with him. Let him guide you.

For me the minor improvement for performance isn't enough of a reason to risk bricking my GPU's. It's up to you if those few FPS are really worth it.

You already have an SLI 980m, it's more than fast enough as it is

 

Do you think that if I got the 980 SLI it would be upgradable in the future with possibly the 1080 SLI?

 

The new GTX 980 is not a desktop GPU, so you won't upgrade to a 1080 desktop unless they make it like a notebook. GTX980 is most likely a one time thing, or maybe it will be reserved for future high end projects, but it is not currently standard as it is.

This does not mean they won't release a 1080m that will be more powerful. We know that mobile GPUs with MXM will be compatible, but specialty products like this GTX980 is not 100% certain.

 

Yes but it will be equipped with superior cooling and be able to support the power requirements of a mobile 1080 (most likely)

 

Current GT80 already handles the GPUs easily. Even stock cooling GT80 can handle the non full size GTX980, obviously hotter temps. The only high temp of GT80 is the CPU and that can be fixed with improvements of cooling.

The new GT80 with improved cooling of course will have no problems handling anything. Whether you get the new GT80 with SLI 980, or the current one with 980m SLI, you should be able to upgrade to mibile 1080m easily.

 

Alright, I guess I'll stick with Windows 8.1 for the next several months and see how things pan out.

 

mason2smart, wait until it is released, and MSI will say whether they are making the same offer, to provide 2 generations of GPU upgrades.

It's likely MSI will try to make the new GT80 with 980 SLI also be upgradeable, it's one of MSI's new advantages.

I don't think MSI will drop the upgradeable goal just to make a one off model that will under perform their Pascal model.

 

Yeah that's my point

 

SizeDrip, cool

Here are some of the Windows 10 threads to check out:

Windows 10
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/windows-10.762434/

Windows 10 Tweaks and Fixes (Index post #1)
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/windows-10-tweaks-and-fixes-index-post-1.779394/

*** Windows 10 + NVIDIA WHQL Drivers are Killing Alienware and Clevo LCD Panels ***
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...illing-alienware-and-clevo-lcd-panels.779449/

Updates to hide to prevent Windows 10 Upgrade / Disable Telemetry - post 1 - also includes kb's to block on 7/8.x
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/updates-to-hide-to-prevent-windows-10-upgrade-disable-telemetry.780476/

Warning: Telemetry and data logging being added to Windows 7/8/8.1
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ogging-being-added-to-windows-7-8-8-1.780489/

Protect your privacy for FREE = O&O ShutUp10
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/protect-your-privacy-for-free-o-o-shutup10.780264/

Windows 10 + BAIDU
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/windows-10-baidu.781888/

Windows 10 users who do anything illegal can and will be sued!
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...anything-illegal-can-and-will-be-sued.780319/

These companies just betrayed billions of people. Apple and Microsoft included.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...f-people-apple-and-microsoft-included.781884/

Why I don't like Windows 10
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/why-i-dont-like-windows-10.779540/

Will upgrading to windows 10 speed up my computer?
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...10-speed-up-my-computer.781195/#post-10087115

So how are people handling auto Nvidia driver updates? (Win 10)
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ing-auto-nvidia-driver-updates-win-10.782235/

There are lots more

 

Someone should take this monster to the Apple Store and film Apple lovers' reactions when they see it!

I thought about doing that with my Razerzone laptop.

 

Thanks for the links, ill check those out!

 

mason2smart, for most of them, their POV about computers won't even register the performance improvement, they will only see the size and weight.

 

umm are you guys not worried about not enough juice for this laptop? i mean if MSI was going for the throttling route or power constraint we'll see some real low performance after paying top dollars lol. i dont want to have a gimped machine, whats the point of having bunch of high end hardware but can't use it's power, and an overclocked CPU that can't overclock..

and sammy 950 pro, wait till review to really see how well it is, i doubt its very similar to sm951/953 so may as well just wait for next gen in 2016.

 

unityole, if MSI builds an GT80 SLI 980, they are going to make it run as fast as they can, including increasing the power input from the wall.

With the GT80 980m SLI performance + 35% improvement as a minimum benchmark for justification for a GT80 980 SLI, MSI is going to have to do some real work to make it worth while.

Otherwise, anything less, is going to be within the Prema OC range of the GT80 980m SLI.

And, yes, 2016 for the Gen 3 v-nand 1TB 950 PCIe x4 / 850 M.2 SATA, hopefully Q1 2016

 

We will see but if it needs some help there are always ways to aid such things from this community

 

I believe it was already tested that the clevo dual PSU adapter works, so we could potentially use dual 330W to overclock freely in the new beast.

Though in my opinion, the new titan should ship with a higher PSU than our current one, since the stock 330W already runs near max when pushing the system hard.

 

Guys, I need a serious help here
Does anyone manage to make a clean install of windows 7 ( not the recovery) in their machines?
Here is my problem
I have w8.1 preinstalled, and I want to downgrade to w7, however, the problem is in the graphic cards as follow:
- if I enable the integrated one , I can instal the OS, and regardless what drivers order I follow, I never managed to install the nvidia driver, I got error indicating the hardware is not there.
- If I enabled the discrete one, well, the OS won't even install with error message that there is drivers missing. and I have to use the recovery to disable it again.

I'm sure this problem due to hardware separation between the cards.
But how to install both ? any detailed guide ?

Regards

 

They need a 550 watt power adapter
Its possible - look at razer's 300 watt power adapter...

 

Question about the inbuilt webcam.
I'm trying to record a video using it and it is extremely grainy.
Driver seems to be a generic Windows one from 2006.

Any suggestions on how to get a less grainy recording from it?

 

Do you have good light in your room? The included webcams are VERY subpar. Most laptops only ship with what, 2MP cameras? They have low resolution, low framerate. If you add low ambient light, you get an even worse picture.

 

Do you absolutely need to downgrade to W7? I think there are a couple of users wit W7, but I am not sure. My recommendation would be to use a virtual machine running windows 7 if you need compatibility with some specific software.

If it's for gaming mostly, then why? Is there an old game that only works with 7?

In case you need windows 7 in a non vitual form, I think you would need to install windows 7 with discrete graphics, probably by first slip streaming the require drivers for SLI GPUs into the ISO.

 

thats the thing, m18x R2 with dual adapters when overclocked 980m/780m SLI + CPU can go upwards 430-450w. with MSI hold more power consumption from dual GTX980, its gonna need at least 500w PSU which is unlikely, i mean what size would it have lol. I think dual PSU is the way to go though, would be nice.

hows the battery in GT80 btw

 

I think dual psu's are impractical

 

U gotta have more than 330w to supply the new gt80


Boring boring Chelsea

 

Is anyone else experiencing problems with Nvidia lately? I updated my driver to 355.98 and when I watch a video it freezes for a few seconds sporatically, and sometimes my computer just freezes all together, as well as some other graphical glitches that occasionally happen (Mouse turns to a distorted square when first starting up, and sometimes when I boot the screen doesn't actually show anything, just stays black).

 

If the new 80 uses two bricks, will it still work with one if I'm on the go?

 

Receiving my unit today (actually arrived yesterday but I couldn't receive it myself due to the other half. Dammit!!!)

What are the first things I should do?

I've been out of the loop for quite a while after I decided to focus on my future (going thru uni and started working a full time job)

Update drivers? Bios?

 

I have but my power meter never exceeed 320w. With standard bios i can only oc moderately the gpu. Nothing on cpu and no overvolt at all....

 

Create the recovery di for the os...

 

Risechi, first, as zziplex said, run the MSI Burn Recovery, you will need a 32GB USB 3.0 flash drive, do that first first.

I actually did mine while still at the dealer, which was good, cause I first bought a 16GB USB 3.0 drive, and the darn Burn Recovery program told me I needed 19GB free on the flash drive... swapped for a 32GB and 12 minutes later it was done - that's why you get a fast USB 3.0 flash drive

Don't change anything, install your favorite games, and have a blast

Then, if everything is stable and working, no hardware problems, then start making changes.

I guess you should disable auto-updates for Windows when you first get it, off the network, so you don't get blind sided by some Nvidia / Microsoft update.

That is unless it comes with Windows 10, then you are doomed to needing all the updates cause things ain't too stable with Windows 10 right now.

Either OS, try running without updates for at least the first day or two of gaming. If you want to play a game that needs a new Nvidia driver, wait and play other games first.

The idea is to not make software/hardware changes right off, and see if the GT80 has good stable hardware first. Making lots of software / hardware changes muddles your ability to know whether it was an out of the box problem, or induced by changes you have made.

Please come back and let us know how it works out

 

mason2smart, it depends on if you want full bragging rights on the road

In order to run at your full performance active XTU / MSI Afterburner profiles you would need both power supplies under load. Something to keep in mind, change your performance profiles when switching between 1 and 2 power adapters.

It's a lot of wires and bricks to carry around... and they aren't cheap if you want to buy 2 more to keep at the office / school, that is another $500.

 

Gt80 at the office LOL...honestly i find your comments a bit "drammatic" .... If somebody ask how to oc why answer....'nobody tell u bec nobody will take the responsability of a brick'???? Answer if you know, i guess we know what to do, but maybe not how....

 

enthusiast dont mind about the tank, only cares for heavier armour

i would bring gt80 to office that wouldbe SICK, fan at full blast thanks

 

zziplex, go ahead and contact Prema if you want to flash your vbios.

There is nothing dramatic about it, it's just how I live.

 

More video of the 980 announcement, showing the GT80, but no screenshots of it powered on, but this one shows keyboard powered up...

Desktop Nvidia GTX 980 in a Laptop (Also, VR) | Benchmarks, Tests, & News

 

Could still be old gt80

 

Killer Performance Suite 1.1.56.1581 for
Windows 7, Windows 8.1 and Windows 10, Updated On Saturday, 26 September 2015

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/killer-performance-suite-1-1-56-1581.781982/


SUPPORTED HARDWARE

• Killer 1525
• Killer 1535
• Killer 1202
• Killer E2200
• Killer E2400

CHANGES

• Killer Network Manager:
  • Fixed issue where text was cut off in some situations.
  • Unified font styles and sizes.
  • Optimized/fixed WiFi Manager.
  • Adjustment to button placement and text on Network Page.
  • Corrected issue where changes were not being saved to Applications that were offline on the Applications page.
  • Doubleshot-Pro is not available when Bandwidth Control is off - adjusted the check boxes/selections to properly convey this.
  • Fixed issue where you could not reprioritize an application that was not currently online (via 'Show All Applications')
  • Fixed issue where Bandwidth Control would re-enable itself after sleep/hibernate sometimes.
  • Fixed issue where Killer Network Manager applications page would frequently resort processes with the same name, making them swap places.
• Killer Service
  • Optimizations made to help to correct issue where changes were not being saved to Applications that were offline on the Applications page.
• Installer:
  • Fixed issue where sometimes the Killer Bandwidth control driver was not installed or uninstalled properly in Windows 10.
  • Fixed branding in non-english installations.
  • Minor adjustments to installation logic and sequencing.
• Killer Ethernet:
  • Made performance improvements to Killer E2200 and E2400.
• Killer Bandwidth Control
  • Fixed issue where sometimes DNS was not being properly handled when Killer Bandwidth Control was enabled.
  • Stability and performance enhancements.
• Killer Wireless
  • Updated to latest Killer Wireless-N and Killer Wireless-AC drivers for Windows 7, Windows 8.1, and Windows 10.

 

Took a power nap and missed it again, dammit!!

Tomorrow's the day. I'll make sure of it.

Thanks for the tip on the USB, just bought a 32gb one earlier.

 

Lel my laptop barely eeks out 15 fps on batman arkham at 1366 p


Anyone try the gt80 with it?

 

Just to share,

Regards

 

When I was talking about the psu's I was talking about the new 80 - is it possible to take just one psu with me even if it needs 500w and the psu is 330 w (no overclock). Would it overload the psu's and would the notebook discharge while plugged in?

I heard rumors of this happening on clevo sli notebooks

 

Maybe it will be announced tomorrow?

 

I'm willing to put money on it that it's the straight 980 version. Why would Msi bring the 980m version to the showcase while every other laptop there has a 980 in them?

 

if you dont overclock it, infact, downclock the GPU and stay within 330w then its totally fine. however if it ends up using more than what 1 PSU can support then it'll blue screen, black screen, error, shutdown, power trip etc, not pleasant.