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    ***The Official MSI GT80 Titan Owner's Lounge***

    Discussion in 'MSI Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by -=$tR|k3r=-, Jan 13, 2015.

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    It also only shows it as having the wireless 1525 not the 1535
     
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    it'll likely come with wireless AC but im not so sure about bluetooth 4.1
    we can always add in our own extra card if slot allows it though. most of new notebook comes with half length mini pcie card which will prob be the new standard and replace full length but with an extension of pcie you can fit this in it, http://www.ebay.com/itm/251723761338.

    assuming msi doesn't use whitelist on their pcie slots
     
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    Maybe they will integrate wigig?

    Not even a new screen on this model??? Seriously???
     
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    Srry double post. :confused:
     
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    yep, its likely we won't see a new screen because theres only 2 company thats making 18 inch laptops so its very limited, they'll likely use up all of the old stocks before getting samsung to make new ones and even then, its still very small market unlike the 15/17 inch laptops
     
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    Can anyone confirm if miracast works on the killer wireless cards? My current 1202 does not...

    Thanks,
    Mason
     
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    Qualcomm Atheros Killer Performance Suite 1.1.56.1590

    Version 1.1.56.1590 Windows 7, Windows 8.1 and Windows 10, Updated On Tuesday, 06 October 2015

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/killer-performance-suite-1-1-56-1590.782389/

    SUPPORTED HARDWARE
    Killer 1525
    Killer 1535
    Killer 1202
    Killer E2200
    Killer E2400

    Changes:

    Killer Network Manager:
    Fixed issue where Killer Network Manager would not come to foreground/front when double click icon on desktop or in system tray.
    Adjusted/Condensed Applications display slightly on Applications page.
    Fixed issue where Bandwidth bars would readjust without user input.
    Added legend/axis labels on Wifi Manager page.
    Changed ‘Network’ to ‘Settings’ as it is a more appropriate description of its purpose/contents.
    Restored Maximize and Minimize buttons.

    Installer:
    Minor adjustments to installation logic and sequencing.
    Fixed issue where sometimes folders were left behind/created when not needed.

    Killer Wireless
    Updated to latest Wifi drivers for all version of OS.

    Killer Bandwidth Control
    Fixed 0xD1 BSOD under stress scenar
     
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    Hello everybody. I just received my MSI GT80 Titan SLI-255 from Xoticpc.com a few days ago. From day one, my computer crashes when trying to wake up from sleep mode. It doesn't create a Windows Dump File, so I haven't been able to use any utilities like WhoCrashed to help me determine what's going on here. Has anyone experienced this issue? If so, have you been able to find a solution.

    Thank you!

    EDIT: I should have listed specs...Sorry.

    Intel I7 5700HQ
    16 GB RAM
    2x GeForce GTX 965M in SLI (crashes happen in SLI or not)
    250 GB Samsung EVO SSD
    Blu-Ray Reader / DVD Writer
     
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    Hey, does anybody else's game crash when trying to start COD World At War? I Have a GT80 Titan SLI-263 and the game crashes as soon as it starts. The odd thing is that when I launch the multiplayer section of the game, it works fine, but the singleplayer/co op section of world at war crashes whenever I try to launch it.
     
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    @alb123: Check your Nvidia driver version. Many people had problems with one of the newer versions and found that rolling back helped. It's in the thread here a few pages back.
     
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    Thanks for the reply. I'm honestly not sure how but I think I fixed it.
     
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    Are you on Windows 10? Do you have latest drivers for GeForce? If so, downgrade both.
     
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    make sure the Killer software is up date . Especially on Windows 10. that was causing my crashing issue.
    Also mason2smart, whats wrong with Windows10 other than the killer issue ?, i have had absolutely no issues on it. at all.
    On my alienware 17, Lenovo Y70 or my Titan to be exact lol
     
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    Lots of Intel/GeForce driver issues and conflicts - VERY UNSTABLE
     
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    havent heard of this, and im a systems analyst and have tested windows 10 on probably 30+ different machine types and different hardware configs for the hospital i work for. Only issue we have with windows 10 as a whole was cortona, and some privacy concerns.
    as far as geforce and intel issues, are these users using the switchable graphics? as on every device i have tried it so far it works. But we also stop hardware updates being forced to the machines.
     
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    Trust me I tried 10 twice and ended up staying on 8 if you go back far enough you can see the gt80 is not stable on Windows 10 or newer nvidia drivers
     
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    alb123, "...due to many years of bad drivers, OS bugs, application / network interference issues, I gave up on using Sleep or Hibernation."

    Situate yourself with a work mode that doesn't require using sleep, I have, and I don't miss it at all. Stay powered up and close the screen between short moves, and close up and shutdown for longer time periods - or just leave it on.

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...n-owners-lounge.769092/page-347#post-10103983

    You can also try turning off Fast Startup first, before completely disabling Hibernation/Sleep, and then disable Hibernation and try non-Hybrid Sleep.

    If you haven't had problems with benchmarks, burn-in, in apps / games, and it's just sleep, you can update all your drivers, OS, and apps / games and see if you can get a stable configuration that will support sleep, but I wouldn't waste much time on it. Turn off Wifi/BT and see if that is where the problem is.

    If you are on Windows 10, roll back to Windows 8.1, you will have a better shot of making Windows 8.1 stable for sleep than Windows 10.
     
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    kfxsti, here are some threads to catch up on Windows 10 here on NBR, there are lots of problems with Windows 10 non-Corporate - Home/Pro - where there is less control over driver updates in particular.

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...n-owners-lounge.769092/page-332#post-10098161
     
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    I asked alb123 and hes on 8.1 already...
     
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    You guys know there is a tool out to defer hardware updates right ? I've seen the threads. But again, with the tool even on no pro editions I have seen zeros issues with the drivers.
    This is just what I have seen .. And I have touched well over 400-500 devices the past month..
    And another question are you guys doing complete wipes of the machine ,format then install 10 or doing the upgrade?
     
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    Have you touched 400-500 generic computers or specialty computers like the gt80 or Razer Blade Pro?
     
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    kfxsti, as you can imagine, there are lots of well experienced people here, and they all have gone through the available methods to stop updates, and still updates come through. I added this link to the list, in addition, please take some time and read the other links as well, there is a lot of good info there.

    So how are people handling auto Nvidia driver updates? (Win 10)
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ing-auto-nvidia-driver-updates-win-10.782235/

    Updates to drivers that have been hidden are not covered under that hidden directive, they are new updates, which have to be caught and hidden - usually uninstalled/rolled back and hidden.

    Hidden updates still make there way through, show up again as to be installed. Usually these are the telemetry updates or Windows 10 upgrade - the same thing is happening on Windows 7/8.1.

    In essence Control of Windows updates leaks like a sieve, unless you have the group policy / update control of Enterprise/Commercial Windows 10.

    On top of all of this all the hardware OEM's are skittering about making driver updates to match Microsoft updates and they will all be chasing their tails for quite a while. Same thing happened for Window 8/8.1.

    Adding to all the instability Windows 10 has, the Explicit EULA handing over to MS and their agents all rights to your content on your computer, access through your hardware - audio / video / network / wifi, and the distinct lack of a functional advantage to move to Windows 10, a fully informed person would stay far far away from Windows 10.

    There is no reason to upgrade to Windows 10, home, pro, or corporate. That is unless you are porting software to it, and for that I hope you have a long long release cycle planned :)
     
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    mason2smart, the key is control over updates. If a support organization built a configuration that is stable for all the functions they need for each hardware configuration they have. Then roll out a fixed image, with centrally controlled updates. They can test updates in their pre-release QA lab before rolling them out to the corporate machines. It's possible to corral most OS's to a functional state :)

    In the free-wheeling world of MS forced updates, with no solid control of updates from MS, it's not possible. That's what everyone here complains about, and what we warn people about - to avoid the pain.

    Fortunately there is no good reason to "need" an upgrade to Windows 10.
     
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    I understand your meaning behind the posts hmscott. But again. A simple search will net you a tool regardless of new or old update driver wise for windows 10. As far as group policy , our 10 devices have not been touched, as we were given a tool to defer updates. As far as the security is concerned.. A lot of the issues people need to be worried about can be disabled or use a tool say Donotspy10 if it makes them feel better.
    There are several tools out there to combat the reason of security.. We have tested them. And yes, they work.
     
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    My question of a fresh load or an update was overlooked as well. We did notice that a fresh install nets better situations as opposed to the upgrade.
    Take in mind if your running 8 8.1 or 7 you need to upgrade the first time for your key to follow you to 10.
    Don't get me wrong. We have found issues with 10, nothing on the scale of what other people have posted. But these are ActiveX issues , given some of our webased emr apps use will not work on 10 because the lack of ActiveX. Just one example. I'm not saying heyyyyt everyone jump on the 10 band wagon. Just sharing my.knowledge of making 10 an enjoyable experience. For user from HP elitebooks to Razerblades to Gt80s...
     
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    What "devices I will never see"? :) and i highly doubt you own a razer blade pro and a gt80. that just wouldn't make sense...
     
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    That which I can't speak of due to NDA from HP,Lenovo,Dell etc..
    And no worries on the hostility. Like said above. Just sharing my knowledge of IT in the professional environment. I cater my knowledge to over 2500+ employees. Lol
    Hence all my grey hair at the age of 30
     
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    We are all friends here...please be nice...UNDERSTAND
     
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    Thank you :)
     
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    can anyone confirm if miracast works on the titan (more specifically the 1535)?
     
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    unfortunately, windows 10 storage performance is much better than windows 8, interms of 4k random write, especially with eRST driver for NVMe PCIE SSDs in raid 0, perhaps msi is delaying GT80 release because of it? or simply because no money to make skylake mobo lol.

    If i get GT80, I have to go windows 10 or server windows 10 which comes next year.
     
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    unityole, Matrix Leader moved back to Windows 7 as that PCIe NVMe driver update is now available on Windows 7/8 as well, so still no "need" for Windows 10.

    So far, all new Skylake hardware is getting Windows 7/8 support.

    MSI already released other models with PCIe NVMe and are shipping with Windows 10.

    MSI GT80 has already been announced, and vendors are listing GT80 models.

    Who knows if / when MSI will release the GT80 SLI 980.
     
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    So I got to use my Accidental Damage Warranty. Sept 3rd, my GT-009 had a very severe fall and cracked the screen and even caused some damage to the bottom right corner to the laptop itself. It went VERY smoothly. I called on 9/4 and the RMA was approved, they received it on 9/14 and it was back in my hands on 10/1 in pristine condition.

    They swapped both the case and LCD panel. After the damage occurred, I ran some burn-in testing to make sure there wasn't some invisible damage. I did the same once I got it back. I think I got really lucky! MSI saved my ass on this one!

     
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    i know there are support for x99 and possibly other chipset work with eRST, but windows 10 gives far more performance in terms of storage. theres already review out on tweaktown.com. since im going server windows 10, hopefully theres more flexibility and features to disable these automatic update.
     
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    unityole, "windows 10 gives far more performance in terms of storage" is a gross exaggeration, and won't help anyone in any way.

    I read the article at Tweaktown, here:

    http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/7299/microsoft-windows-10-vs-ssd-storage-performance-analysis/

    There are several tests where 8 is better, several where 10 is better or the same.
    After watching these kind of tests over the years, the winner tends to be the one that got the most recent fixes / updates - even the same release software is different for each OS it is released to support.

    The differences will reduce as time goes by with updates for Win 7/8 for the newer hardware technology. The installed base is too large to ignore them. Windows 7/8 will have parity with Windows 10.

    Windows 10's advantage would usually be improvements in UI, and new technologies released only on Windows 10. There are none now, and it will take years for DX12 to mean anything.

    If MS decides to not back port DX12 and other technologies to Windows 8/7, some other multi-OS solution will have the advantage - software developers want to sell to the largest installed base of users, and that won't be Windows 10 for a long time, if ever.
     
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    which is why its only good for NVME PCIE SSDs and with new GT80 it'll likely support those, rather all high end laptop going forward will be like that. sata wise its comparable where upgrade or not doesn't really make a difference but when it comes to PCIE with new protocal NVME rather than AHCI, window 10 triumphs. now I don't know how bad 10 is as I haven't made that jump which I plan to when server 10 comes out, it may or may not be worth the hassle. one thing is for sure I am currently on s2012 which has higher storage performance than windows 8 and difference is quite noticeable, same will be applied to server win 10 compared to windows 10, storage will be a jump ontop of that with NVMe will be another jump.

    of course rst driver matters too, im still on 11.2 IRST on s2012 lol, gives the best raid 0 performance.

    as for updates to catch up on performance, i serious doubt it'll happen. so far MS is rather obvious their plan to force people buy new versions i mean it make sense as business point of view. which is why older windows will likely never have DX12. theres other to go about too, improvement on boot time and battery, although those are just extra.
     
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    Wow! How far did it fall? Let's just classify it as a drop test...
     
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    LOL
     
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    As of August over 75 million people had installed windows 10, with 8 it took 6 months to get around 100 million. It wont take as long as you think for 10 to be the leader. lol
     
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    With all the problems with Windows 10, the word is out, and people have rolled back from Windows 10 in droves. And, new installs have slowed tremendously.

    If you wanted Windows 10, it looks like you've already installed it
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/1...s_10_it_looks_like_youve_already_installed_it
     
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    About 6 feet right onto concrete! Don't try this at home!!!!
     
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    Lol... I guess we will see when Ms forces EOL this coming year to 7 and a little later to 8. Lol
    I wouldn't necessarily say in droves on the roll back. Especially given there are alot more average users out there than enthusiasts ....
     
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    So is the chassis durable? Would a 1 ft drop do damage?
     
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    kfxsti, there are a lot of people that will just suffer through the problems without complaining, they think Windows is supposed to suck ;)

    The EOL Mainstream support for Windows 7 was on 1/13/2015, extended support is through 2020, so it's not going away anytime soon:

    Windows lifecycle fact sheet Last updated: August 2015
    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle

    Windows 8 is only 3 years later, 2023, and Windows 10 is only 2 more years in 2025.

    Might as well stick with Windows 7/8, and start looking for Windows XXX in 2020 :)

    Microsoft EOS table.JPG
     
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    But the extended support would be for corporate . As we have already purchased that for our windows 7 devices. But then HIPPA comes into play with certain things .. IE>..Explorer 8, not getting certain updates for security etc.etc.
    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?alpha=windows 7#gp/gp_msl_policy

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    • Mainstream support—Microsoft will offer mainstream support for a minimum of 5 years from the date of a product's general availability. For example, if you buy a new version of Windows and five years later another version is released, you will still have two years of support left for the previous version.

    • Extended support—Microsoft will offer extended support for a minimum of 5 years from the date of a product's general availability
     
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    kfxsti, Extended Support is for security patches, but not feature hotfixes - that's part of Premier Support contracts, and negotiated support for outside of life-cycle.

    difference between support - extended support - etc.JPG

    Microsoft Support Lifecycle Policy FAQ
    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/gp/lifepolicy

    Everyone gets extended support for security patches.

    Corporate support contracts can negotiate additional hotfix's and longer term support for $$$.
     
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    Yes. some companies are paying for support for XP even though it is EOL.
     
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    Ehh.. not according to our MS rep LOL
    As of October 31, 2014, Microsoft stopped providing its PC partners and systems builders with copies of Windows 7 Home Basic, Home Premium and/or Ultimate (not Professional) to preinstall on new PCs. But OEMs have been allowed to continue to sell their stock of PCs running these versions of Windows 7, though not to replenish their supplies.

    Once Microsoft ends mainstream support for an OS and moves it to the extended support phase, you still get the monthly updates and fixes. You just can't call Microsoft for free support anymore. It also means Windows 7 won't receive any new features. For example, DirectX 12, which sounds like a massive revamp to the 3D graphics library for gaming, won't be issued on Windows 7. Only Windows 8.1 and 10 will receive it.For enterprise users, it's business as usual. Microsoft service and support contracts don't change. The only impact on IT will be the lack of new feature support. And will have to pay for the Extended support. And they are pretty stern on there will be no feature additions for any amount cash.
    This is coming from our MS rep.
     
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    kfxsti Notebook Evangelist

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    I can promise you its not in a field where Protected information is neccessary-- As i know for a fact its now non HIPPA compliant in the USA and illegal to use. I know that for a fact. As we have NO XP devices any where at our facility or our 40+ clinics outwards. And it didnt matter if the device had EPHI or whatever. We were told by the government they had to go lol.
     
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    kfxsti, you can still purchase Windows 7 OEM install licenses:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...windows+7+oem+windows+7&N=50001149&isNodeId=1

    MS can do anything they desire, including expanding the reach of DX12 outside of Windows 10.

    Whether MS do it or not, is up to MS. As of right now, MS say it's only Windows 10.

    Which is funding several alternative solutions for gaming on multiple OS's. Those alternatives that won't lock developers into a single OS, or a single development framework.

    Small developers might only be able to afford 1 choice, I hope it isn't Windows 10 and DX12 :)
     
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