***The Official MSI GT80 Titan Owner's Lounge***

Weird, it looks like there is a mention of a multicolor keyboard... it must be a copy/paste error on the copy:

" Silver Lining Print
See more and do more in the night with high-grade silver lining printed keys. See the full color spectrum on the SteelSeries multicolor keyboard and enjoy longer lasting keys worry free of long-term wear and tear."

The image above that text looks like the GT72 multicolor keyboard...

http://gaming.msi.com/products/notebook/gt-series?id=3617

 

SizeDrip, check your Power Options, set what buttons / closing lid do:

 

They are set for sleep, I may have to change drivers but all of the newer drivers are pretty unstable, so I'm unsure of what i'll do.

 

SizeDrip, I gave up on using Sleep a long time ago, it helps tremendously in my pursuit of a stable Windows experience.

 

I may give up on it too. It isn't too big a deal since this laptop starts up so quickly.

 

I just tried changing drivers and the problem still persists. Does anybody have any idea on how to fix this? It's getting really annoying.

 

probably just me but like to see it from another point of view. all those are sugar coating to me imo, 3.7ghz is even lower than haswell 4980HQ frequency, being ~5-10% faster per core becomes meaningless when 4980HQ can go to 4.4ghz for a short period of time. going over 3.7 would be dangerous with two 980 or even two 980M, means power restricted with just a single 330w PSU, shutdown/bluescreen would happen if not enough power lol.

given an overlcokable CPU unable to go over 4ghz simply because not enough power is quite upsetting, and they'd try to hide it by using maintaining system temperature LOL. seriously though, at 3.7 ghz my 3940xm uses ~40w and thats puny compare to 330w PSU.. either skylake consume more higher clock, or single PSU isnt enough to handle two GPU + skylake CPU.

 

Guys, this is what I occasionally use as a stand for the gt80 http://imgur.com/a/ArXJq does anybody know of anything I could use which is made in a factory, out of plastic or metal?

 

hermes33, I haven't seen one like that, but if you like it propped up such that you don't need access to the keyboard/trackpad, you could use what I use and still use the screen:

Cooler Master NotePal ErgoStand III - Premium Ergonomic Laptop Cooling Stand with Large 230mm Silent Fan, 4-Port USB Hub, and 6 Height Settings
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834982296

The price has about doubled since I got it a few months ago... shop around I got mine for $39.

The GT80 hangs off both left/right sides, but the 2 pegs on the bottom hold it in place. Propping it up reduces the space used by the laptop on the desk, front to back.

I use a separate keyboard/trackpad, the position is conducive to use for typing, even while flat, it holds the laptop high off the table, which is good for cooling.

Speaking of cooling, the fan runs quiet even at full speed - so I run it at full speed while the GT80 is on.

 

It probably also has more power due to the ddr4 ram using less juice...

If certain components were removed (eg. Disk reader, fewer ssd's) would it minimize power limitations?

 

If the 980 desktop cards are 120watt versions and the current 980m in the GT80 is a 120watt verison (I believe they are with my own testing) the power requirements will be virtually no different than the current machine. Some overclocking will be possible, major overclocking will benefit from a second power brick by owners choice. No need to speculate though until a real test can be performed, in many cases many facts are discovered at the time of release.

 

Nvidia claims the cards can have a tpd anywhere below 160 watts up to the manufacturer

 

exactly as mason mentioned, Nvidia would let them control it as it needs to work with laptop and whats convenient (economically) for manufacturer, its only reasonable for them as a business. hence the restriction.

now onto what GTVEVO mentioned the 120w version which is simply again saying that nvidia gives manufacturer options to go for different level of power consumption, it only make sense for nvidia and manufacturer to release 2 type, 4GB and 8GB variant of the cards to save money, where as power restriction comes from vbios/firmware/driver etc. so technically, theres a chance both variant will be able to do upwards 160w with unlocked bios. mobile 980 is simply very very similar as desktop 980 which is closer to 175w with possibly minor improvement on PCB/VRM and other things I don't know about.

however this doesn't change the fact that with unlocked vbios and card can do 160w+, we still can't overclock them + CPU at the same time, it'll consume way more than 330w. ivybridge 3940xm at 4.3ghz with two 780M SLI without OC the GPU already have exceeding 330w..

thats what they did with AW18. M18x R2 has esata port, expansion card slot, VGA, HDMI in and out where as AW18 removed most of that and power still not enough LOL.

 

Would it be woth taking out the disk reader? Would it decrease bios time and would it provide enough additional power to be worth removing?

 

Suppo

supposedly they are using "more refined" silicon to reduce impurities and wasted power

 

i dont see why it can't happen but i seriously doubt it though, higher end silicon probably goes to professional graphics card, plus nvidia dont do silicon business like intel, they get their help from TSMC or w/e its called lol. it'll make more sense they have too much GM200/204 chip and need to dump it for us so it feels like they are doing something rather than a "refresh" this year, i mean its being a year since 980M is out and still on 28nm and not 22/20/16nm, and no pascal yet.

where as intel use crap silicon for BGA laptop restrict TDP and gives them lower clock so they dont over heat, and high end goes towards xeons. mid range for consumer K or X CPU.

its also why its better to go for unlocked xeons 1600 v* 8 cores cpu rather than 5930K or 5960X simply because much higher chance to land on a cherry chip with xeon. consumer usually stop at around 4.5-4.6ghz overclock, with unlocked xeon its easily 4.7+ and still be stable as long as enough voltage is applied.

 

I'm only repeating what I've read

 

It will still be much more powerful than 980m sli and will no longer be compared with single 980 desktops but with 980ti and Titan configs...

 

So would removing the disk reader actually be worth doing

Would it lower the power consumption any meaningful amount?

Would it decrease bios time?

 

I agree it will be worth it at this point if our guesses are true. The current gt80 980m configuration already scores higher than a single 980ti setup.

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GTVEVO, agreed - until we see the benchmarks, with the power / size wattage being the same, I don't see how the 980 SLI can be 35% faster as it could be with the full leash given - more like 15%-20%, which is within the OC range of what we already have.

 

Sleep has only work reliably for me with Driver version 353.62. with 353.49 coming in 2nd.

 

And the Titan X and Titan Z?

 

Yes the current gt80 models perform better than a single 980ti and right in line with both the titan z and x desktop cards stock to stock as it is.

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So theoretically the 980 sli will be faster than the Titan X and Titan z

 

Funny how no resellers are listing it yet

Any guesses for how much it will cost?

 

Hello everyone! I'm a relatively new MSI GT80 owner, happy to be a part of the club! I have the SLI-263, with 2x 980M SLI and that Intel Card. If you need any more specs let me know! I have a few issues, though, that I believe tie in to each other.

First problem the computer takes forever to boot. I've tried different NVidia drivers, Intel VS NVidia boots, a full wipe/reinstall, removing raid configuration/from RAID to AHCI, the works. I'm talking like... over 30 seconds long, which is obviously not acceptable for a fresh install, especially with these SSDs.

Second is that when my computer goes to 'sleep', instead of turning back on when woken, it immediately shuts back off, sometimes tries to turn back on once more (rather quick on and off of the leds), then reboots without the save state.

Third I can't update the BIOS via typical methods. I was on the .10F BIOS which came with my device, and saw there was an update (back when it was .117, even). I extracted the image itself to a USB, booted into BIOS Settings, and properly selected it. However when it shuts down, instead of rebooting into the flashing screen, it does the same thing that it does above, when it attempts to wake from 'sleep' (which is why I believe they are combined; shuts down, tries to turn back on but immediately shuts back off, does that one more time, then restarts like nothing happened, including the update). I go back into the BIOS Settings Screen just to check, to no avail. I've tried this plenty of times, and I know I'm doing it right.

I am unable to install Ubuntu to my hard drive, or even boot from an install media. This is highly inconvenient since I develop. Yeah I could use a VM, but this was supposed to be a no compromise machine.
I have searched high and wide, and found a couple of people who had similar issues, but no one was getting any definite answers. I've also tried disabling RAID configuration, NVidia vs Intel GPU, etc. Here's a link to a forum page that expressed what I'm going through, everything in it having tried. It's not an issue of getting to the install screen, it's the kernel panic shown on the OP. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2292441

I'll note I was able to update the BIOS (to .118), but not using the built in tool in it; instead I created an efi shell usb and flashed it that way, which stuck. I know this is dangerous/not ever recommended, but I figured these issues WERE BIOS related, so I thought this would fix it--it didn't.

I don't want to send my laptop in, but I will if I have to.

 

You need to uefi boot to get super fast boot times.

 

Thanks for a response! I definitely have UEFI boot enabled, with Secure Boot off (so I can use Glass8 properly, great little app), so that's not it.

 

Have u checked by benchmark the speed of the boot disk? What u have? How many MBps?

 

Guys, all speculation regarding 980 should be taking with a grain of salt, and remember the following:

No manufacturer will advertise their machine as a full overclockable machine because notebooks are much harder to cover in warranty due to user error. If they advertise overclockability, users will kill of their machine not knowing what their are doing, complain and ask for a refund.

For those that do know what they are doing, you know the CPU will not be locked and you will need to tweak your voltage to get stable, higher than 40x multies easily... I mean even MSI mentions "For optional models of GT series, will have special version of Core i7 6820HK with overclock capability from 3.7GHz to over 4GHz, the overclock frequency may differ depends on the CPU capability."

As for the actual 980, expect it to work ALL on stock with the included 330w and it will be faster than 980m. Do you want to overclock? Get yourself a second PSU and tweak away. Just remember than 980 will run much hotter and will quickly require exponentially more power when overclocked, compared to 980m. The GT80 Titan is not advertised as the GPU overclocking machine, and no matter what nvidia says, they did not design the GT80.

Also, remember that even 980m on stock vbios is POWER LIMITED. You need unlocked vbios so that the GPU behaves more stable at the cost of power. This will be the case with 980 as well, so you will need the aid of svet7 or prema to do this.

Again, all of this is for advanced users. Users that only play and use stock configs, your machines should work as expected easily. On stock voltage and multipliers, 6th gen intel CPUs consume less power than even 4720HQ.

That being said, even on stock, 980 SLI will be faster than 980m, but we are still working with a severely restricted TDP machine (ALL notebooks) so don't expect to be able to heavily overclock these monsters that even on desktop can consume well over 200w each. Be realistic. As I said before, I always thought it was a bold move by nvidia to get 980 into a laptop, but ultimately it is something I am not interested in, it is just too much heat and physical hurdles to overcome. But this is why there are enthusiast that can mod their machines, get dual PSUs, remove the back cover and hell, enjoy massive OCing if you will.

 

uefi + gdp, i dont think mbr can do fastboot.

also meaker, which sales rep are you on powernotebook lol, it doesn't have your name "meaker" anywhere on that site lol

 

I don't plan on oc'ing the GPU's. I might OC the intel processor. Because of this, should i still go for the 980 sli or should i get the 980m sli?

 

You should have no problems overclocking the processor alone, specially for a modest overclock. But if you do overclock the CPU, you will most likely be unable to overclock the GPUs at all.

According to test by notebooj check and the review of GentechPC regarding the GT72 with skylake, a 4ghz core clock consumes between 53 and 60w, so that should be easily handled considering current Gt80 with 4980hq can consume upwards to 80w.

980m SLI should be able to have slight OC GPU and OCd CPU, whereas 980 should handle no OC on the GPU but some OC on the CPU. How much will depend on your testing, not sure what ceiling you will reach

Monitoring your TDP, temps and your full system power should give you an idea of your limits. But we won't know until the titan is out.

 

I'm not in sales I help out the guys with harder technical issues in more of a consulting role if needed and act as a point of contact on here and providing support on the forums.

 

me as well lol, im more of a CPU person than GPU, cause in game as long as it doesnt lag and look decent enough i don't really care lol. i'll probably get dual 980 8GB variant and even undervolt/lower my clocks just so I can overclock the CPU.

maybe some will come up with dual PSU mod, wondering if thats possible like alienware m18x. 4ghz ~60w sounds pretty good, 3940xm is 4ghz at around 50-55w so yeah skylake is hotter than ivybridge at least.

 

As far as I remember, dual PSU works easily using the clevo adapter. As for CPU, I don't remember why but haswell consumed much more power than Ivy bridge, because of haswell incorporated something into the chip, so it is normal to see 3940xm consume less power than 4940xm at the same speed.

For reference, 6820HK at 4Ghz consumes similarly what my 4720HQ consumes at stock voltage, 3.6ghz. Not bad. 4980HQ consumed up to 80, same for 5950HQ depending on how far you pushed the systems and OCing with over 4Ghz.

 

So the laptop can take more than 660 watts? Isn't that going to hurt the battery?

 

Maybe it was system on chip or graphics or something like that if I remember correctly

 

haswell has integrated VRM, same with broadwell, with skylake that was removed. i'd say 4720HQ consume that much simply because it's junk silicon i mean coming from intel.. thats a rather poor comparison as 6820HK would probably be better silicon grade.

do you not want CPU at 4.5GHz at least? being craving for that 5GHz mark on air for awhile now, although its not possible without mod.

I WANT IT NOWWWW

 

I have the dual psu with clevo adapter ac-100. It works ok, but with stock bios i can only oc a bit the sli, but with powermeter i never see > 300w. So money spent for nothing.

By the way, are u sure 4980 consumes 80w? I never see in xtu more than 47w even if i use stopthrottle.

 

Yeah im sure and my psu has exceeded the 330watts numerous times. Our haswell cpus consume over 47w during turbo.

If you cant consume over 47w you are tdp hard locked or probably disabled turbo?

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@zziplex once you know how to push your system hard enough you'll know 330w is simply not enough. ryzeki is right, with dual graphics and a CPU under right load and frequency it'll go over 330w. its great you have dual adapter, should take advantage of it and overclock like crazy for as long as temperature allows it =). however if all you ever do is game and other simple thing like regular browsing/ watching movies and run everything at stock configuration, then you don't need 2nd PSU.

MSI will no doubt 100% make default configuration of two 980 SLI and 6820HK CPU be within 330w, otherwise it'll be a grave mistake. further more they'll probably lock the system down in some way.

with dual 980 SLI with 15-20% OC, and a 4.4GHz on the CPU i wouldnt be suprised if it use more than 500w.

 

How i can unlock? What i can check? Thanks in avd!

 

Well the thing that would really push it over the edge is overclocking and over volting the gpus with a custom vbios.

 

Hey guys,
I've been planning on buying a new top of the line gaming laptop to serve me good for a couple of years from about july and I got interested in the GT80 Titan SLI for it's performance.
I opted for an alienware 14 2 years ago as for it's mobility and its power but it's not enough to cut it right now so I really want the best of the best today.
Anyway I heard the rumors of the desktop grade 980 and decided to wait for it to come to the GT80's SLI solution.
Now that it's pretty much here, I've seen the debate about it and I have to make a descion..

As for a vanilla purchace whitch version of the GT80 is better for me as far as performance without any modding or OCing? (I'm no pro, nor do I have much if any experience with OCing)
The original GT80 Titan SLI 2QE (Intel Core i7-5950HQ [2.9GHz-3.8GHz], GTX 980m SLI, 512GB SSD + 2TB) @ 4k USD.
Or the new GT80S 6QF (i7-6820HK, GTX 980 SLI, 256GB~512GB SSD) @ ??? USD.

Which is better for me?

Thanks in advance

EDIT: +the new GT80S is DDR4 for what it's worth..

 

wait for skylake CPU, ddr4 ram and pcie ssd. sata ssd getting out dated soon for enthusiast anyway

 

Are you using thottlestop to hold clocks or something else? Only asking because I haven't seen or been able to replicate any testing that shows throttlestop being able to fool the PL1 and PL2 power TDP within the CPU. As far as I knew it could not be overridden.

I have pushed the PSU to well over 400watts during overclocking, just push the GPU's. Around 415watts or so the PSU is just done so you have some overhead.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...es-test-and-tune.773245/page-26#post-10045643

 

when i try to fix the clock ration for all core to maximum...it was rebooting. I usually oc cpu +150Mhz, no more. and Vram +200Mhz (I do not want to burn 4300euros of notebook) and I see max 300/321W.
How u can go higher? custom bios? which one?

 

As for CPU the 4980hq will only run at a max of 4.3ghz as the Processor Current Limit is hard limited, as for GPUs you must flash with a custom vbios from Prema to remove the core and memory limitation. There are several posts on this modification within this and the test and tune thread I referenced above. Keep in mind I not recommending anything here as overclocking to extremes comes with complete risk to your own hardware and wallet, if you do not overclock its completely respectable and not frowned upon.