***The Official MSI GT80 Titan Owner's Lounge***

thanks! I think to check prema mod.... but still far to put in practice.
It's still so new...and still very expensive to risk for few points more on a benchmark...

 

I am in the same boat as you and I am no pro; but the more I read and increase my knowledge, I feel like the new GT80S 6QF is going to be the way to go. The twin 980s in SLI should produce a better experience than the the twin 980ms. Along the lines with a Titan X, but again I am no expert but that is what I am hoping for it.

 

FYI the current 980m SLI models run just a bit better stock for stock to the single titan X with a quad core i7 already so with either model 980m or 980 in sli you won't be disappointed. The knowledge is knowing how much you really need is key, if the current models can achieve your needs you could save some serious coin picking up a current model. So it just boils down to what is more important, how much you need or how much you want. This is where my mind clouds my judgement too .

I feel the new skylake 6820hk with 980m is going to be a great combo with perf to price considered but I can't wait to see tests from both versions of mobile and desktop.

 

I do agree. I know its all speculation but does anyone here think we will get the GT80S 6QF (with i7 6820HK) for under $4K?

 

I doubt it, I think a safe bet is to consider 980 a premium. I think Clevo offers the upgrade from 980m to 980 is 400dlrs, so we should see the GT80 titan with 980 SLI probably around 4k dlrs.

Personally, core i7 6820HK and 980m SLI is the best bang for buck in high performance. I would go for that if I wasn't broke Plus I am pretty happy with my titan, even if it no longer holds any crowns in performance

 

Actually, from what I've read here, I fear that the new GT80S 6QF won't be on par due to limited TDP and slower clocks to compensate that.
That's my biggest fear, I'll pay more for a beast with a leash.
What do you think?

I have money saved up for about 3 years and I'm up for upgrading to a new gaming machine.
Since I travel alot and I'm going to move to the states in the comming year, a mobile gaming machine is the thing for me and I want something to hold up for a long time.
All that alienware stuff ended up overpriced and just not good enough for the long run. It breaks down too often and the support from Dell/Alienware wasn't good enough.

 

I do not mind paying a little more for the best. Especially if they are still offering 3 product cycle upgrades with the purchase. I love @ryzeki's point about the "core i7 6820HK and 980m SLI is the best bang for buck in high performance," so I will probably wait just to see how they stack vs the prices. I can't wait to get my hands on a GT80 though.

 

As people mentioned earlier, wont there be any problems with 330 TDP to support this all to a point where the desktop 980s are dumbed down and almost equal to 980m(s)?

 

Even the dumbed down 980s will perform faster than 980m. Both you can be will be power limited so they don't exceed their TDP unless you get unlocked vbios. this is the same for any vendor, any machine etc. No one gets free overclocking hahaha.

MSI will most likely allow the stock Titan to work at full power, but can't guarantee overclockability. If you are buying this to overclock, you need to do as every enthusiast and get a second PSU, the adapter, and mod for the required temperatures and power.

You can be sure the titan will work on stock, but no one can assure you how well it will overclock or work during intense overclocking.

We don't know if the stock 330w PSU will remain or if they will use a new one, but MSI won't release a system that does not work on stock. Specially not one that represents the highest end.

 

That's true - we have seen specs change upon release. Specs aren't final until the product has shipped to consumers.

 

I'm not planning on modding, though I am interested in atleast knowing about this as a possibility.
Can you link me to a guide about modding, 2nd adapter and PSU please?

 

The cpu will need a slight overclock considering the base clock is pretty low and it was designed to be overclocked

 

mason2smart, that's my major complaint, so far, about the 6820HK, you *must* OC past base clock to get anywhere near the performance you expect from the part - it will disappoint at stock speeds.

 

Kinda wonder why? They also lowered prices too. You'd think they would raise them for an unlocked chip like the HK

 

does it not make you guys curious what internal looks like of gt80 that comes with 980 SLI instead of 980m SLI? I wonder if they change the mobo design completely or everything remain same, along with heatsink cause that would be quite disappointing lol.

 

They changed the GT72 heatsink design....

 

Meaker, I would expect a heatsink/heatpipe change for the 980's, it's gonna get hotter and the board is shaped differently, so to match up the plate is going to need to be moved.

It will be the same for GPU upgrades, like the 980m GT72 upgrades, and the future GT80 upgrades.

Someone earlier mentioned 3 upgrades, but I originally heard it was 2 - has MSI changed their promise or is it still 2 upgrades?

I wonder if a 980 SLI upgrade will be made available for existing GT80's?

 

Don't the heat sinks come attached to the gpu's so that when you upgrade you also get new heat sinks?

 

MSI GT72 Dominator (Pro) GTX 900M series MXM graphics upgrade - 10-07-2014

 

Guys, My machine started emitting a strange plastic-y smell while playing Witcher 3.

My temps were fine;

74 max - 68 avg GPU 1

68 max - 63 avg GPU 2

91 max - 83 avg cpu

The smell comes mostly from the right side.

I've had this thing for 2 weeks, usage is average I guess? 1-2hr gaming sessions everyday.

New product burn in? Something failing inside?

I can't really describe the smell, it's like a chemical or newly open package smell.

EDIT: Forgot to mention the machine runs fine, no slowdowns or anything.

 

Risechi, is this new out of the box, or just back from service?

Some of the paste that's external to the placement might be burning off. It might also be a piece of wire got caught in a hot place and the insulation is burning off.

Have you opened your back cover before? You might pull it off and sniff around for it, just in case it is something to be concerned about.

Look for an paste leaking out from the plates/joints, wires routed around / through the heat-pipes, etc.

You should be able to sniff out the spot pretty easily if you do it right away, before it burns off completely.

Take some well lit photo's of the spot / area when you find it.

Also, this can happen with any new unit, these new smells wear out / off quickly, but if you are noting a sharp change in smell after nothing for 2 weeks, then it's worth checking out.

Are you running the GT80 horizontally flat, or do you have it on an angle, heat + gravity might be running excess thermal paste, dripping onto something hot and cooking off - as thermal compound can do when exposed to open air.

You could ask MSI via support what to do, make sure they are on board with you pulling the bottom cover off to track down the smell.

 

Yea but there is a new vga mxm port - probably a desktop one - I wonder how that will factor in?

 

mason2smart, there are no ports on the MXM card, they break out from the motherboard. Any additional ports supporting additional features will need to come through the back / side panel from the motherboard.

AFAIK, there isn't any such thing as a "new vga mxm port" on the 980, link(s)?

 

I would like to report that the "crackling/pop" sound issue I was experiencing has been fixed. It seems a reboot was all that was required.

 

I think he means a different connector.

No all 980 cards have a standard MXM connector and the same MXM mounting holes.

The MSI GT72 980 desktop module has an extra power connector on the board that is not used, I expect this to be used in any higher power versions of the card released.

So far all models released with the 980 desktop could with the correct heatsink also fit the 980m.

I would not be surprised if some 980M GT72 owners (of the older generation) were interested in picking up a new heatsink kit and if the 980 heatsink could be modded to fit the 980M and give more ocing headroom.

 

Glad to hear it went away, and thanks for letting us know

 

Hey, I've tried various drivers but the sleep function still crashes my computer. Does anyone have a solution?

 

Mine sleeps just fine with Win10 and every driver/utility/bios/firmware up to date except 353.62 for NVIDIA. In fact, in this configuration I've had no issues at all. All my freezing is going as well.

I manually restarted a day ago when Microsoft pushed out the latest security patch, but other than that it's been all sleep.

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@SizeDrip & @zfwjs try not to use sleep, its terrible in windows with SSD, well it's terrible in general may as well just shut the computer down and turn it back on lol.

GT80 heatsink i wanna see how the CPU look to see if theres any sort of improvement..

 

I have it set to do nothing when I close the lid. Would that damage the SSD? It turns off the screen but everything else stays on. I'm pretty much positive that would be fine but just double checking.

 

SizeDrip, just remember, it's still on

A recurring Macintosh sleep bug is where it appears to sleep, then it power's up in your backpack, and generates that is heat trapped in the backpack, it's not fun to find a redhot Macbook in a bag.

Same would happen with the GT80, close the lid, put it in a bag, if forgotten after a while you would have baked MSI a la flambé.



If you are closing the lid to move it a short distance, remember to take it out of the bag and lift the lid. If you are in a situation where you might get distracted and forget, power off.

 

Okay, thanks for the advice!

 

Why would it have sleep problems? I have never had any sleep problems in any laptops I have owned. Could it have to do with OC'ing?

 

mason2smart, if it's not happening to your configurations, then don't worry about it

It's not OC'ing, it's driver / OS timing bugs. Coming out of sleep handlers in new drivers, usually happens most when a new OS release and new drivers co-exist - and it can go on for a long time.

A bad OC may crash in all modes, including Sleep, so first step when debugging any stability problem is to go back to default CPU/GPU tuning / settings.

There is nothing more disappointing than depending on Sleep, only to have it stop working and after many hours of debugging, discovering there is no fix except rolling back OS / drivers / patches / Apps.

After weeks and weeks of this, you want / need the bugfixes the new drivers give you under the new OS, but to use them you need to stop using Sleep.

You may be able to use Sleep as you use it now, but it might stop working should you change your use pattern, and the wake up from that mode will crash / black screen, or just stop working in a stable manner.

You also might be lucky and have just the right mix of patches / drivers / use where it works fine, but others don't.

It's not nice to encourage others to pursue debugging Sleep problems, since much of the time, it's futile, it's best to wait until the new OS / drivers / apps all get fixed, and the reported Sleep issues stop coming in, then give it a try again.

It's really not hard to get used to not using Sleep at all, I just breeze right past the times of Sleep instability, I never miss it either

Turning off the Sleep actions, setting them to Do Nothing is the way I disable sleep, including unchecking the Sleep option display in Shutdown, but you can go further to disable sleep, here is a full disable of Sleep in Windows 8:

How to permanently disable sleep mode in Windows 8
http://www.microcenter.com/tech_cen...o_permanently_disable_sleep_mode_in_Windows_8

I can't find a how to for Windows 10, too early, but there is this article on the new Windows 10 Standby Sleep:

"Based on my research and information from my followers it looks like Windows 10 Modern Standby Sleep is broken. Multiple Windows 10 updates aren’t helping anyone to get predictable PC behavior and my testing proves there are problems."

Modern Standby Sleep in Windows 10. Overview, tests, problems.
http://www.umpcportal.com/2015/08/modern-standby-sleep-in-windows-10-overview-tests-fix-tips/

 

Oh ok.

Anything with pricing for the 980 SLI? Since its on their site, you would think there would be reviews or something considering Gentech and other Resellers are already listing the other Skylake models which aren't on MSI's website yet...

 

Maybe i try to install win10... At the end i can revert back....do you think is it still insane?

 

I have been running win 10 successfully for about two weeks now. Sound blaster works if you go to the programs folder and make the exe run in windows 8 compatibility, then reboot.

But the latest nvidia drivers still are causing problems.

I have noticed the issues only appear once you turn on the laptop after a shutdown. An immediate restart removes the problem. If you don't restart, it will be unstable and result in an eventual crash. After restarting, the machine is usable without limits or issues.

This happens to me with every single release after 353.62. I am currently testing this behavior, and it still happens with the latest 358.59 hot fixed drivers.

 

zziplex, what's the rush to upgrade about? Is there something Windows 8.1/7 isn't doing for you?

It's already been shown that Windows 10 isn't faster for gaming, or anything else.

Windows 10 doesn't have anything to offer except lots of time wasting for many more months, working around problems.

There will likely be new problems and instability introduced time after time over the next 6-9 months as "fixes" come out for "new features".

Why not enjoy the fruits of the many months and years that Windows 8.1/7 took to get stable?

Now is the time to enjoy Windows 8.1/7 running your games and apps without problems

 

because all the time I boot (1st time) my pc crash and reboot again ....(after it's stable).

 

zziplex, if you are chasing a stable OS install, Windows 10 won't be it

If you are having problems that you can't debug by uninstalling the stuff you remember installing after your last stable time, by using System Restore Roll back's, or sfc and Windows System Repair, then a restore from BurnRecovery will do it for sure.

Windows 8.1 System file check (SFC) Scan and Repair System Files & DISM to fix things SFC cannot (for 8.1/10)
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...em-files/bc609315-da1f-4775-812c-695b60477a93

I had to do this recently when I couldn't use dskcheck on boot - it failed and went straight into Windows. The Windows System Repair boot was able to run dskchck and fix the problem.

If you have any boot related issues, System file Corruption, disk errors, or instability, Windows System Repair is the next thing to try, if sfc run as Administrator in Windows can't fix it.

Create installation media for Windows 8.1 - boot on this and Select System Repair.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/create-reset-refresh-media

I should mention that using the MSI image for Windows 8.1 is a wiser move than a clean install from Microsoft Media. Don't be tempted / goaded into doing more then a System Repair.

All that work building MSI put into building that OS image to be a stable build on your specific model laptop is valuable time you don't need to spend yourself. It makes no sense redoing MSI's work by starting from scratch on your own.

If you want to get rid of the "bloatware", you can uninstall it like any other app you no longer want installed. Poof, it's gone. 5 minutes is quicker to uninstall a few apps than hours trying make an install from scratch.

Any well trained monkey can do a clean install (now, where did I put my Banana...?), it doesn't make you special to do it yourself. You may feel special after the hours / weeks getting it to work, but I can think of many more pleasurable / rewarding ways I'd rather explore to create that feeling.

Finally, you can backup all your personal stuff to external storage, and use the BurnRecovery USB 3.0 32GB boot drive made with MSI BurnRecovery to boot and restore your OS to the out of the box configuration.

It will be good to gradually install things this next time, and make notes / Restore Points every so often so you don't need to start over.

If you are doing OC'ing or other testing that is causing you to crash alot, then I have found that you can avoid most corruption by running Right-Click => Properties => Tools => Error Checking after every crash on the C partition to make sure you repair the problem before making many writes to the C volume.

If you are looking for a "clean/new install of Windows" to start over, go with the one that shipped with your laptop first, to make sure it's stable. It's the check point you can rely on - it came that way and worked that way, any other installs / changes are suspect after that.

If you are still unstable on the out of the box OS install, the problem might be with the hardware. Check with MSI for debugging / RMA.

Have fun

 

Exactly, it used to be so easy just to close the lid and the computer "shuts down" and when you open it again it resumes..

And don't make closing the lid do nothing.
From my experience, that's a quick way to overheat your system.

 

source144, if you want to preserve what you are doing, you don't have a choice - if sleep and hibernate aren't working, you need to move it while running. Short distances are ok, I do it all the time.

With many newer notebooks the keyboards are sealed against spills, in the case of the GT80 the air is drawn in from the bottom and exhausted out the back sides - the keyboard isn't sealed, but air intake won't be limited enough by closing the lid to be a problem.

If you close it and forget, it will thermal throttle - use up the battery, shutting down automatically.

You are right, it is safer to shutdown, and that is the best idea. That's why I work through VM's that can save state so I can shutdown the Guest OS. It's the best way to preserve work.

You can set the lid to shutdown instead of doing nothing. But, for me I move the lid often and can accidentally shutdown - not optimal

 

I have been experimenting with the various driver releases and the only one that has been completely stable with regard to sleep and resume is 353.62.

 

@ryzeki @hmscott @mason2smart anyone here have tested sata speed in optical drive? to see if it's 6Gbps or 1.5Gbps by using SSD with optical sata port

 

We know that the GT80S Anniversary edition has an additional heat pipe on the cpu acording to the picture and advert. Then anticipation is killing me too, I want to see some testing results already.

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If remember correctly its sata 2 and not 3 if that helps. Corrected below, it is not sata 2 but sata version 1.

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unityole, it's 1.5Gbps as listed for the port, I haven't tried anything else in there besides the BD-RW.

The 2.5" port is 3Gbps - I get about 270MB/s R/W with a Samsung 840 Pro 512GB.

 

Unitoyle, I don't have a GT80...Yet......
However I speak from experience as I currently use a similar device.

 

Killer Preformance Suite 1.1.56.1603
Version 1.1.56.1603 Windows 7, Windows 8.1 and Windows 10, Updated On Thursday, 15 October 2015

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/killer-preformance-suite-1-1-56-1603.782805/

SUPPORTED HARDWARE:

• Killer 1102/1103
• Killer 1202
• Killer 1525
• Killer 1535
• Killer E2200
• Killer E2400

 

last update caused drivers to stop working after 2 or 3 reboot....