***The Official MSI GT80 Titan Owner's Lounge***

The crashing issues are the same issues that are cause by the nvidia drivers. the only current easy work around is booting, then immediatley restarting, so it fixes itself and it is fully usable. this is for any driver after 353.62 for the few of us experiencing issues with nvidia drivers.

The issue persist in windows 10. If you do upgrade, you will see everything working in general except Sound Blaster Cinema 2, which you need to run as win 8 compatibility. But other than that, since there are zero DX12 games, windows 10 brings most likely nothing to you that windows 8.1 doesn't offer.

In fact, the start menu in win 10 is as useless as the menu in windows 8 (literally the same, just cramped to a small menu instead of full screen), that I still use classic shell in windows 10, for a much better experience.

 

the GT80 has no ventilation in its upper side, everything is being cool down only from the bottom part. I use mine with the lid closed all the time, turned on, and only open it when I use it.

What's the current issue with sleep? I don't use it ever since it is faster to just close the lid and do nothing, or simply boot up.

 

I'm pretty sure my alienware 14 doesn't have any ventilation from the top of it, but my friend had it do nothing when you close the lid so we can plug it to a tv and close it when we watch a movie and it just got super hot so I don't do it any longer.

Also, once I took it with me on my way to base, about 5 hours of driving, and for some reason it 'woke up' inside my bag.
Only found out when I arrived and I freaked out haha

Anyway.. HYPED FOR FALLOUT 4 AND TO GET THE NEW GT80S!

 

My GT80 is hooked up to an ultra wide monitor with the lid closed for days at a time and there is no difference in temps so no worriers. Hyped and tired of waiting for both of those.

 

Me too

 

It looks like the GT80 SLI 980 could be $1000 more than the current GT80 SLI 980m, if MSI prices it like the GT72S 980 which is $500 more than the GT72 980m with the same specs, per this GT72S preview/review:

Full GTX 980 in a Notebook! MSI GT72S Dominator Pro G


Written portion here:

MSI GT72S Dominator Pro G Preview - Full GTX 980 Gaming Notebook
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphi...or-Pro-G-Preview-Full-GTX-980-Gaming-Notebook

 

Notice: he said 140 to 150 watt gpu.

 

And prices of the skylake models are lower cause there is no cpu upgrade like with broadwell and haswell. So it's only like a $200 increase over the previous generation top model.

 

If the price is $1,000 more, then I probably can't afford it cause I have a maximum limit of $4.5k including ssd's and a backpack...

 

You think it's worth it?

I have about 6k TOPS to spend.. any more and I might not have any money for food lol

 

Don't you think $6k is a bit overkill???

 

Definitely worth it if it's not bottlenecked and no more than $750 more.

 

Everyone has their own "overkill" limit. Mine is very different from some of my friends. I have a working wife, retirement check and I work, not supporting kids. My friends wife doesn't work, and he has five children that he is supporting. My limits are very different from his. If someone has $6K to spend on something they want, I say go for it! You may never have the chance again due to life circumstances, enjoy now while you can. YOLO, for sure!

 

All I can say is if its around 4500 it had better perform otherwise I will go for the 6820hk 980m sli machine if it tests out well.

 

6820hk and 980m sli is more than good enough. these left over 200 and 204 chips from nvidia is one way to make us spend more on premium. time to wait for pascal 1080m? 6820hk with 1080m, legit.

 

thanks guys, only hope now is the new chipset revision would do something more but i have doubts, it may be wiring portion for connector part.

 

I definitely think 1080m pascal will be a great successor. 980 is still the same maxwell tech and it won't be any different than what we see in desktops comparison between 970 and 980 (in our case, 980m vs 980).

unityole, I also confirm that intel rapid storage technology reports my ODD as 1.5gbps.

 

unityole, I think we can hope for a SATA III 2.5" port, but it's been a long time since I have seen an ODD port faster than SATA II.

You might write in to MSI support requesting it add an ODD port with SATA III for the next revision. Blu-ray 4k/8k is coming

Ultra HD Blu-ray standard finalized: 4K support, HDR, ‘digital bridge’ sharing
http://www.extremetech.com/computin...nalized-4k-support-hdr-digital-bridge-sharing

Ultra HD Blu-ray 4K discs will ship before the holidays
http://www.computerworld.com/articl...y-4k-discs-will-ship-before-the-holidays.html

Maybe ask MSI for a BD-RW upgrade that can read the new UHD BD's

 

Great!!! Downgraded the driver....no issue anymore (so far). I was scared to do RMA, but...I keep you posted!

 

there are actually a lot of laptop with ODD bay at sata III speed starting with HM87 chipset, AW18 being one of them. if those speed are at SATA II or SATA I then its likely restricted by the manufacturer, if not they can ONLY be SATA 6Gbps for the very simple fact that it comes with HM87 chipset and above.

all sata ports are connected via chipset at least majority designed that way, HM87 comes with 4 SATA 6Gbps port total of 6 while remaining two are at SATA 3Gbps. it made sense GT80 with haswell CPU with older (HM87) chipset 4 SATA 6Gbps were all used for M.2 SATA slots, remaining two are at 3Gbps speed (one being HDD bay the other is ODD bay).

now if ODD only max at 1.5Gbps then its because MSI decided to do it as for reason I don't know why, I have even seen ODD being restricted to just 20-30MB/s max in my collection of laptops.

with new CM236 or w/e its called chipset that supports skylake CPU, DMI 3.0 and other things like pcie 3.0, it comes with minimum 6 SATA ports all at 6Gbps speed, however if GT80's ODD bay should be running at 3Gbps on haswell platform but ran at 1.5Gbps instead then restriction lies else where, possibly the mobo or cable connection.

 

So i got my gt80. Very satisfied. Keyboard and mousepad are in kinda a funny location and is a change from the alienwares ive had for the last few years but I think I'm adaptable to that....

the problem is the speakers/sound solution. Everything comes out tinny. I turned off nahmic which helped alot, but they still come out tinny. How do I get the speakers to play music/games/teamspeak is a way that doesn't make everyone sound like it is coming out of a concert hall? Never had this issue with alienwares -- but they didn't try to do anything to the sound system, just played out with normal drivers and didn't try to add effects.

Edit: the 9/23/2015 driver set from MSI's website seems to have resolved 95% of the weirdness. Now just need some teamspeak people to make sure everyone sounds right

 

My parents won't let me upgrade to pascal

 

Anyone else use Acronis 2016 to backup/restore their disk? Using the Recovery media to USB, I was get a black screen with "Loading, please wait" and stuck on this screen (frozen) or sometime it would reboot. I found that using 'nomodeset' as an additional kernel parameter to Acronis bootup fixed the issue. But I am wondering if there is a deeper issue with MSI's implementation of NVidia cards. All of my other computer with NVidia cards work fine without having to pass this parameter. I have also been able to upgrade their drivers to the latest version without issue for sleep / resume. Did MSI do something internally non-standard with the hardware for the video cards (not connect a line or something)? Will an eventual BIOS update fix these issues? I am starting to lose confidence in MSI. I have an older Alienware 18 with dual 680Ms, an Aorus X7 with dual 970Ms, a Razerblade with a single 970m and all of them work fine without these issues (both driver upgrades breaking sleep/resume as well as booting the USB Acronis without having to disable kernel video mode and use bios video mode via modeset).

 

mason2smart, tell them ok, you win, I'll wait for the GTX1080(m).

 

lol when does it come out? I'm getting tired of waiting and need to get a new one soon... Mine's kinda falling apart... Drivers died yesterday at school when in art working on photoshop after more than 2 weeks of stability and the gpu completely disappeared from device manager. lol. Took a long time to fix - clean install didn't work and DDU + clean install didn't work. Only after pairing ddu with an EXPRESS INSTALLATION did it work.

 

mason2smart, restore it back to out of the box config, and put it up for sale... you don't need it much longer, you might as well cleanse your palette and live laptop free for a month, before you get your GT80 SLI 980.

 

I might sell it but it has a slight dent in the corner I might sell it after getting the new GT80 to offset its price... Do you think its worth anything near $1K? It has a 4700 HQ 2.4 ghz CPU, a 500 gb ssd, the amazing touchpad (its fun to play with), and 8 gb of ram. Its pretty new as it is a replacement for one that had ram failure.
It has a GTX 765m.

I bought it for $3,000 plus tax.

Its cool-looking but not performance intensive... Just worried that if I sell it, the buyer might expect too much of it...

 

lol u put the m in parentheses. Do you think there will be a mobile 1080 coming out at the same time as the 1080m's, or do you think it will launch with the 1100 series about to come out if at all? Heard there will be 2 pascal revisions just like Maxwell with the first one being like the 800 series with only small performance improvements and the second revision providing a huge performance improvement. I hope it won't be like that!

 

http://www.tecs.com.au/shop/msi-gt80s-6qe-hos-titan-sli-gaming-notebook-free-delivery-msi.html

Lol look at the price they are charging for little decals!

 

And I found this about mxm upgrades to the 980 on GeForce Forums https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/886018/gtx-980-desktop-mxm-modules-for-laptops/?offset=2

 

Glad it works for you. I am currently checking in a lot of places to find out why it happens, the issue with newer drivers. For now, 353.62 and before are all 100% stable.

You think that maybe the ODD itself might be only SATA II thus dragging the speed down? Sadly I don't have a way to test it, but in theory both the HDD and ODD should be SATA 3. You are correct in that the m.2 take the 4 sata 6.

I have only used Acronis 2013 without issues. The GPUs here are standard. It's not the GPUs themselves but maybe the way the BIOS handles them? It's not an issue man, don't sweat it. The true issue right now is what we have with nvidia drivers!

Comparing with other notebooks will serve you little, since you know, all have their own issues. Like Alienwares suffering LCD death with windows 10 and newest nvidia drivers, though hopefully that was fixed. You get the idea.

As for sleep/resume, we have to raise awareness directly to MSI with a repeatable scenario so that they can find out what the hell they did hahaha.

EDIT: hoofhearted, I found this regarding nomodeset and why it is required in certain machines:

"The newest kernels have moved the video mode setting into the kernel. So all the programming of the hardware specific clock rates and registers on the video card happen in the kernel rather than in the X driver when the X server starts.. This makes it possible to have high resolution nice looking splash (boot) screens and flicker free transitions from boot splash to login screen. Unfortunately, on some cards this doesnt work properly and you end up with a black screen. Adding the nomodeset parameter instructs the kernel to not load video drivers and use BIOS modes instead until X is loaded."

 

yeah I saw that too and reading between the lines and the fact that it worked fine on my other laptop

 

laptops (damn tmobile cut me off)... anyway ... reading between the line on that and the fact that comparing only on the issues of sleep/resume and usb/acronis booting needing special consideration makes me think that MSI did something nonstandard in their BIOS code with regard to the video cards.

 

They merely did what some manufacturers choose to do, as was explained (if it's true anyways). It seems the nomodeset happens on different manufacturers depending on how they set up their POST and transition to the OS.

Did you have issues with Windows 8.1 or 10? I ask because now that you brought this up, when I first was using my machine, booting was very different. It took longer, and after POST the screen would turn off for a while then turn on again. However in windows 10, the transition is smooth and the screen never turns off. The MSI logo comes on, the loading spindles and then I boot to the main screen. Something in windows 10 is different.

For example, my lenovo T540p does not need nomodeset as it boots in a horrible 640x480 screen POST and then loads the OS.

Also, in the same Titan, booting from the iGPU seems to be instantaneous, so maybe that's what they mean when they opt for nomodeset and choose specific BIOS settings.

Anyways, You simply faced vs this right now, you could have faced this same configuration another time, with another laptop. Though I don't know what the sleep problems are, since I don't use it. I wonder if it's related to either the nomodeset or the GPU drivers?

I am already working with MSI regarding the issues with nvidia drivers, so maybe I can ask them regarding sleep issues if it's repeatable and I have more info on the issue.

 

do u work directly with the software support? How is support? Are they knowledgeable or do they just tell you to wipe your computer every time you have an issue (and refuse to acknowledge there are issues) like Razer Support does?

 

Hahaha, there will ALWAYS be some answers that are automatic, such as turning off and on again. I have worked previously in support, many many years ago, and trust me, those silly answers DO help and DO fix a lot of simple issues.

The thing when dealing with support, is to first gather enough meaninful information, and then cooperate. Even if an action seems silly or useless, it is about crossing off possible problems. As for how knowledgeable, it will depend on the person at hand, not everyone has the same level of knowledge. This doesn't mean they can't help, since when someone can't do anything, they go check with others.

I have found that being polite and diligent goes a long way. Gotta know how to deal with people and focus on the issues at hand. I don't care if the acknowledge or not any issue, my interest is fixing my current issue at hand. It may or may not be widespread.

Such as with the nvidia drivers. I cannot claim all titans are experiencing it, nor will I gain anything by screaming until they acknowledge it. I merely give them as much info as I can from all testing I have done, so they can cross off potential issues and eventually fix it.

 

You mean a black screen like this

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?res...125&authkey=!ADR8JZAG9LHlTDM&ithint=video,MOV

That's what happens when the newer drivers cause bsod and I boot back up. The drivers become corrupted and don't uninstall and reinstall properly afterwards. Happened more on the ones before the battlefront driver which seems more stable.

 

Yeah but do they actually test it? I had to CALL once and when trying to replicate the issue, the support guy actually FRIED the entire system's keyboard and touchpad! Other than that I have never gotten through to anyone that actually knows the software/firmware

They refuse to try to fix anything and if I send it in all they do is say they can't replicate it and wipe it and send it right back...Software issues have persisted for 3 years. Across multiple replacements as well

Overall my experience with their support has not been very good. Their replacements didn't even work. lol

 

i use reflect macrium, its so much better imho. for sure it needs multi threading portion to be worked on though, but restore is hella fast

 

a whopping $300 for 2 dimms at 2 x 16GB DDR4 SODIMM 3Ghz.

http://www.eteknix.com/apacer-reveals-pricing-3000mhz-nox-ddr4-laptop-memory/

total of $600 extra for this laptop thats some hefty spending but its gotta be done.. still no sign of revealing cas latency though, hope it'll be high end like desktop, doubt it though

 

Definitely worth it! I might get 16 gb? Is 16 gb of this better than 32 or 64 Gb of other ram type?

 

16GB is perfect for all kinds of usages, 32GB helps if you do heavy work such as CAD, Photoshop, Video production.

 

16gb is the max per stick for sodimms currently and that's 99.9% for ddr4. Capacity and speed performance impact depends on the task being run. You'll want to use two sticks to get dual channel memory otherwise it would negate any speed advantage.

 

Most of packs you buy should be a pair which are matched, this is intended for best compatibility.

 

Kevin, that's why I recommend getting the full 4x matched set when upgrading to fast memory, doing it in half's can make for incompatibilities down the road when adding the second pair of SODIMM's, more so with such high speed memory.

 

Yup, you are absolutely correct.
By the way, how much help/boost do you think 64GB can provide?

 

I think it's $300 for one stick, isn't it?

I fill up 64GB all the time! 32 is probably more than enough for the average user until the next upgrade cycle rolls around though.

 

yea, its best to always buy in pairs, or quads. or else when it gives issue, its out of luck or try the all 16 combination till it works lol. 4C4 math calculation, or was it 64 combination? lol

not so much on boost, more on space. I use it for ramdisk and run server OS for other junks that i use it for so i absolutely need it, general people only need 16gb at the most for only gaming. and its $300 per 2 stick, $300 per stick is ultra expensive and rip off, more expensive than server ram.

 

$300 a stick is pretty crazy, yes, but they also say 2400 goes for $139, which I doubt is the price for two sticks.

 

Kevin, as you know, when it comes to memory, enough is all you need, more doesn't help boost performance unless you apply it to caching files / data off of slower storage.

A RAMdisk and proper settings can speed builds (compile, etc). I have used that speed up to great benefit.

Any temp or cache that you can put in memory instead of disk can help, but often the OS will help out with enough memory available - it requires monitoring and tuning, but it's worth it if you do a lot of it.

For me it's more memory to assign to multiple VM's. The CPU will start being the bottleneck quickly under load, but for simulation and development, it could be very helpful.

There are other applications that can benefit from lots of RAM, I am sure there are many out there that will get a full 64GB and happily use it all