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Sweet, thanks!

 

Hmm, getting a message that states: Firmware image PCI subsystem ID (10ED.1558) does not match adapter PCI subsystem ID (1462.1132) using the 8GB 980m from that page... I know it says on Prema's page that it will theoretically work on other 980m MXM cards, but I want to make sure that others have used this for their MSI Titans will success before flashing...

 

Ok lets wait because thats usually a chipset mismatch but I know that @Thrawn has is broadwell version sli 980m flashed. With me tagging them him or @Prema can shed some light.

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Yeah, I have the 5th gen broadwell chipset...

 

I tested the new driver, but i had to roll back to 358.91 because he makes my gpu2 running hot on the witcher3,
358.91: 78 c max
359. : 85 c and a lot of noises

 

Is there anyway to bypass the fact msi won't let us upgrade to the latest nvidia drivers from there website????

 

In my last post, I updated with a work around, use the 4th gen support locations for now, they still have explicit download links. Select 4th gen instead of 5th/6th gen. Here is the link to get to the Win 8.1 x64:
http://us.msi.com/product/notebook/support/GT80-Titan-SLI-GTX-980M-SLI-4.html

My previous post:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...n-owners-lounge.769092/page-486#post-10140770

Here is the response I received today from MSI support, note this is for Windows 10 x64:

" Hi Scott, All drivers, utility for the GT80 can be locate on our website link below; thank you http://www.msi.com/product/notebook/support/GT80-2QE-Titan-SLI-5.html#down-driver&Win10 64 "

I am replying, asking about the MSI Live Update, why it is posted as the only download for Support for my 5th gen GT80 SLI-263, and for the new 6th gen GT80S's, and why it doesn't even work. MSI didn't address this in their first reply; I did ask.

 

It might be more efficient / tuned for newer games, did your FPS go up? You could try limiting FPS, reducing GPU tuning - do you OC? You could also press the Max Fan button, and run full cooling during game play.

I noticed the GPU speed increases from 358.91 and 359.00, increase in idle speeds - with 10c/5c increase in idle temps. For me it was some of my settings in Nvidia 3d global settings, I put them all back to defaults (Restore) - first thing I try for such issues - and the GPU clock speed dropped to minimum's at idle, and so did idle temps.

I haven't had a chance to figure out which setting was causing the GPU clocks to lock high, but last time this happened it was changing "Power Management Mode" from Adaptive to prefer Maximum performance, but not this time

The newer driver releases from Nvidia have tuning for more recent games, you don't want to give up on using them so easily

 

Usually if games are running faster then it will cause power to go back up, you can try using things like adaptive V-sync if it's going faster than your refresh rate.

 

In idle the temp is the same as 358.91, i have donwclock the cpu to 2.7ghz, and im running at 60fps limited with MSI afterburner.
I did tray to remove the limitation to see if there is gain in fps but it still stuck at 60.

My problem is the noise then i will not max the fan lol

 

Fan's are good

Do you have a particularly noisy fan? Mine ramp up and are breezy, not spinny - so aren't bothersome. Kicking on the Full Fan is noisy, but I have good blocking headphones, so hardly notice. The cat notices

Interesting, the game limits FPS, but got hotter... I guess you could try reducing settings one at a time to see if one in particular heats things up.

Maybe try balancing load on the GPU's. One is hotter than the other, maybe set Physx on one GPU then the other, and if load on CPU is low/med, try putting Physx on it. You could even break SLI and run game on one GPU and Physx on the other.

At first, running games at outrageous FPS with 980m SLI full OC is fun, but after a while, tuning the performance / fan's for least noise at best game FPS is the next game.

 

Whene i run it in windowed mod i have 45fps with 50-60 % gpu load, but at fullscreen its 99% load on both gpu, but gpu2 is hotter 85c while gpu1 73c and the left fan running more and Noisy then the right one.

 

So the left fan is putting out more air? Check that first, if it is that explains the noise difference, otherwise maybe the fan needs replacing?

How is your laptop situated on the desk? The noise L/R can be affected by the reflections from the objects / wall / desk increasing feedback higher L/R. To reduce fan noise try raising the laptop back up higher than the front, maybe point the back / fans at an area that has no reflections back to your ears.

My laptop is about 40' angled, screen straight up, with the fans blowing into open space, no reflections, so they aren't as annoying as they could be.

If you have no stand, try putting the laptop on top of a surface that is sound absorbing vs. reflecting.

I haven't run TW3 for a while, but I don't remember the fans getting too loud, not enough to work at tuning performance down. If I get time this weekend I will try it out again, and look at my temps. I was running with everything tuned at full up...

 

Dont think so, because with 358.91 every think is good. And i run it on a desk with good air flow. The left spinning more because the gpu 2 running hotter, that prove my fan system is working good

 

Hmm well my problem with more recent drivers is not that they are crashing in games, but on the desktop. Does your workaround also prevent that (If i remember correctly you said to boot up to the logon screen, but don't logon and instead select restart right?). If that also prevents the driver restarts on the desktop then I think I will do that, as having the more recent drivers is becoming more and more important these days to get the most out of the power of this laptop.

 

Air flow is important, and if you are running it flat on the desk, try lifting the back an inch or so to increase air into the bottom vents, and make sure the hot exhaust air isn't bouncing back toward the laptop's intakes, like if the laptop is exhausting hot air into a wall or corner with 2 walls reflecting the hot air back toward the laptop.

The GT80 at full tilt really puts out a lot of hot air

If the left fan is running noisier, and the left GPU is running hotter, that could be an inefficient fan not cooling the GPU enough. If the load is balanced they should both have the same fan action.

I wouldn't drop versions of Nvidia drivers to fix a heat issue...

Besides, your hot GPU is still 10c under throttling point for the GPU... hmm, what is the thermal throttling point? 92c?, 95c?, 100c? - these 980m's in the GT80 run so cool I haven't seen a thermal throttle yet

 

I think the left fan have also the cpu heatsink to cool no? That's why he is hotter the the other, also i think the New driver have some optimization and workload changed,

 

Actually the CPU heat plate, heat pipes, and heat exchangers are independent from both GPU cooling.

Here is a view of the CPU cooling assembly disassembled and away from the frame, starting at about 17:00 in this video:

 

Now with 358.91 :

Confort mode:

Gpu 1: 67c load 98%
Gpu2: 75c load 98%
Cpu 70c load 30%
Fps 46
Fan 1: 2500 rpm
Fan 2: 3000 rpm

Not so noisy

On sport mode:

Gpu 1: 73c load 98%
Gpu2: 81c load 98%
Cpu 70c load 30%
Fps 53
Fan 1: 3000 rpm
Fan 2: 3500 rpm

More noise

After i will tray 359

 

What is your ambient temperature? Mine is 69F

 

I think 23-25c (70-77f)
Do you have same result as me? Fan rpm?

 

Now with 359:

No difference between sport and comfort mode:

Gpu 1: 75c load 98%
Gpu2: 83c load 98%
Cpu 72c load 30%
Fps 50
Fan 1: 3000 rpm
Fan 2: 4500 rpm

 

Sorry, working on another project, can't switch over right now, but will sometime this weekend

Your numbers don't look out of the ordinary for a heavy game like TW3, I wouldn't worry.

That ambient range is a bit wide, try to get a thermometer to get an accurate reading. I usually base my results on 70F to be able to compare. If you are 77F then you can subtract 7F from your numbers to compare with others at 70F.

BBL

 

Spoke with Prema about this, and the message I'm getting is completely normal. Went ahead with the vBios flash and it's working fine as of this moment!

 

Sweet

I should have asked you to post up a screenshot as there is a normal message when upgrading, at the same time just didn't want you to make a wrong move and kill a card.

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Ditto!

 

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Hey all, I got my laptop back from RMA a few days ago and I have this stupid crashing glitch. I had it even before the RMA and what will happen is it will just hard crash randomly atleast once a day. It happened on windows 8.1 with the intel management engine issue and on windows 10 with the intel management engine issue resolved. I'm currently on the latest drivers although the crash happens on every driver I have tried. It's really starting to get on my nerves and I have no idea how it happens. I am on a GT80 Titan SLI-263.

 

Did you tried different power mode? Gaming, hight perf, balanced and eco, mine is more stable on gaming mode.

 

No, I gotta go pretty soon here but I'll try that when I get back. By the way I don't know if I'll be able to change it since SCM doesn't work and Dragon Gaming Center doesn't work either. SCM is running in task manager but I can't actually use it. MSI Dragon Gaming Center just gives the following message "The feature you are trying to use is on a network resource that is unavailable. Click OK to try again, or enter an alternate path to a folder containing the installation package "Dragon Gaming Center.msi" in the box below." Below it there is an installation path that doesn't work. Any help getting these programs working? SCM and Dragon Gaming Center both worked fine until the RMA where they installed Windows 10.

 

Yeah exactly. The crashes are not related to gaming but i meant it that you can play without worrying your system will crash in general due to the drivers.

At least the last times I tried it worked and yeah the thing is to immediately restart before logging on. If you do log on and then restart it should still work in theory but i suppose it just takes more time lol.

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Try using nvidia drivers 353.62 to avoid the crashes. Download the latest scm and dragon center from the msi support page for your model.

First uninstall current scm and dragon center. Reboot.

Now install new scm. Reboot.

Try to open the newly installed scm, if an error ocurrs reboot again. If it still shows an error, reinstall the application and then reboot.

As soon as scm is correctly working, dragon center will work correctly. They are tied. If scm fails to load so will dragon center. Its normal to get the error.

Some windows update might have broken the scm.

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I would download the newest scm and msi dragon gaming center applications except the msi live update for my model doesn't work. I could try using the downloads on the 4720hq model I guess.

 

Why use live update? Go to the support page and download from there. I almost never trust any software dedicated for downloads. Every single one i have used has been inferior to actually downloading the drivers myself.


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On the driver page for the GT80 SLI 263, msi live update is all that shows up. So I have to use that whether I want to or not.

 

I just recently posted 2x how to find them until MSI fixes the Live app or returns the individual downloads

This post has the links for Windows 8.1 x64 and Windows 10 x64:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...n-owners-lounge.769092/page-491#post-10141572

BTW, here is my response back to MSI:

"Thank you for the link, but what about "MSI Live Update", and the error message we get when running it on our GT80's 5th gen / 6th gen?

If the app isn't working, please remove it from download availability and restore individual downloads - this is a serious problem, please fix asap "

IDK if we will get a response this weekend...

 

Thank you! Sorry I didn't see the message earlier.

 

The temps are close to mine, but you may want to edit the "user.settings" file and change LimitFPS=100 from 60. It seems it likes to roam, so you might as well start higher and keep the frame rate up there.

I am OC'd CPU 4.0ghz High Performance, and GPU +135 core +325 mem, and with LimitFPS=100 set I get 100fps in cut scenes, and 85-100fps in game. Sometimes it drops into the high 70's briefly. I also have the display set to 100hz.

Here are my temps for GPU:

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CPU was in the mid-70's to mid-80's during game play.

I play in Full Screen, and when I alt-tab out the GPU1 stays under load, and one time it kind of ran away - fan's kicked in heavy - so I killed it. Just an FYI.

So your speeds don't look bad for 50fps, but try changing the LimitFPS=100 and see how much better it plays

I also tried reducing the fps/hz to 40, and went back to stock clocks, keeping all the settings on high, even Hairworks, and the GPU utilization dropped from 95+% to 50% for both GPU's, and the fan noise dropped markedly. You might want to try it.

Let's move this to the Witcher 3 Discussion thread - post #1421 and #1426:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...scussion-thread.736409/page-143#post-10142086

 

This temps are with a full fan boost? If not then you have an amazing cooling.

 

Your ambient might be higher than mine as well, I am at 71F right now.

The noise from running fans on auto is enough, Full fan I haven't needed so far.

I have just played for a while on 40FPS/40hz, and it's nice and quiet. I don't notice any degradation in game play at all.

If you are looking for cool running, and quiet fans, it might be worth a try

 

When i see your sensor monitoring, you have the first gpu as master... Hight temps, but me i have the second one with hight temps, is there a way to switch?

 

You would need to physically swap them, if it's the card, and not the plate / paste / cooling system that is different.

You can OC them independently, lower the voltage of the hot one, if it's stable at a lower voltage, you don't want to set different clock speeds.

I haven't seen the @Prema vbios settings, but I would imagine that could be a useful feature to balance card temps.

 

I was wrong we have the same result, but mine is more high temps,


Fan on auto mode

 

Well, it could be lots of things. What are your Nvidia 3D settings, what's different from Defaults?

My laptop position is elevated and favors hot air pushing away from the intakes.

And, there is the ambient temp again, 71f right now.

IDK...

Game load is variable based on the game, player, map, place on the map, etc. It's better to compare benchmark loads.

How about furmark? We could run the 1080 preset test, and a 5 minute burnin to see how it compares? Tests you and I can run that are scripted to be the same are much better to use for comparisons.

 

My 3d settings are default, my ambient temps is 74f
Ok for furmark, but which version? I fond 1.14.1 but its old 2014

 

I downloaded the latest version 1.17 a couple of days ago.

http://www.geeks3d.com/20150828/furmark-1-17-0-gpu-stress-test-opengl-benchmark/

Here are the results for the 1080p preset test, it doesn't run long so it didn't get very hot.

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I did a stress test 10 min


After a bunch



After another one when gpus was cool,



I have a better score but more heat, my cpu is 5700hq.

 

It's a GPU test, so CPU won't matter. I am getting about the same score whether I OC the GPU or not... it's just not running as high a clock as you are. I set my CPU/GPU to stock, and Nvidia 3d settings were already at defaults, and refresh to 60hz.

What do your GPU-Z settings look like? What vbios version do you have?

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Weird, because my in game FPS is higher than you reported, and all my other benchmarks are ok. I know furmark / Nvidia throttles GPU's so furmark doesn't burn them up, maybe my driver version is different? I am running 359.00.

How about we try a different test? This one doesn't throttle

Unigine Heaven 4.0:
https://unigine.com/products/benchmarks/heaven/

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unigine heaven 4.0 settings Quality Ultra Tessellation Extreme Anti-aliasing 8x resolution 1920x1080 Full Screen checked

 

For the witche i have all high hairworks off, got 80fps with min 70.
Temp 83 gpu1

Unigine heaven running now,

 

I think you mean all Highest, Ultimate or best available. Is that at 100fps/100hz screen? Good temp

Here is the tuning Guide for TW3 from Nvidia, if you haven't seen it already:
http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/gu...-hunt-graphics-performance-and-tweaking-guide


Here is the Unigine Heaven 4.0 result:

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