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Hmmm, well I guess I should have said - never update from within an application - always exit the application, download the new version (and the old installer too, just in case) and do the new install from the standalone installer - in app updates can be problematic as you've found.

With the 6820HK you probably don't have to worry about it, as if you have the power limits raised high enough the CPU will hold clocks indefinately - barring thermal throttling.

In semi-unlocked CPU's, which the GT8X series had a few of, like my 5920HQ the Turbo Boost Power Time Window was important as after it expired the maximum power draw is 45w, which supports an all core OC of 35x (uncore 35x too).

You have a nice OC at 4.2ghz with +15mV overvolt, pretty mild.

My 5920HQ would do 4.3ghz with a +100mV overvolt, but I could complete benchmarks - if I pushed cold air into the vents it would do even better, but that takes a lot of can's of "freeze-mist", or a portable air-conditioner - the benchmarker's best friend.

 

O i understand, i'll dl the new one from the website and get rid of the old.

Wait, I can raise the power limits of my cpu? As in unlock the TDP? I'd love to do this as I noticed the TDP fluctuates between the 30s and 76 during benchmarks. I'm not sure I understand clearly what you mean? Could this be why some programs are crashing? Last night crysis 3 was fine. Today at 100hz refresh rate my TDP was around 45 while playing crysis 3.

Should my overvolt be higher? This is the first time i've increased voltage on a computer to maintain a higher clock(i didn't have to increase voltage when I was overclocked to 4.0). I'm a little nervous as I don't want to fry the cpu or the motherboard/circuitry(not even sure if this is possible lol-still learning).

This is the first i've heard about using canned air for benchmarks haha. I feel like that's almost cheating

 

Don't try to push the GT83VR SLI. That board wasn't made for overclocking. The GT83VR has 2 power phases (or 2+1) for the CPU. The GT73VR (6RE/6RF skylake models with 6820HK) have 5 (or 5+1) phases. It's not in your best interest to tinker with going past 4.1 ghz at all. I would just stick to 4 ghz and call it a day.

Your board was designed for the 6920HQ (and 7920HQ) locked down CPU's, which would go at 3.8 ghz and 4.1 ghz on *ONE CORE* max turbo boost, respectively. the HK models were added on other SKU's later, yet the same motherboard was still used, which is woefully insufficient for overclocking. That's why there are so few options in your bios to begin with. You're going to have far more difficulty trying to get a 6820HK at 4.3 ghz than a GT73VR user trying to do it, because you don't have enough VRM's to stabilize the voltage.

 

OK so my startech mDP to DP splitter arrived today from china. It doesn't work at all. Neither of the monitors I have plugged into it are recognized by the laptop. I had no issues at all with either monitor when they were plugged directly into the mDP on the laptop. I think this is a startech issue and not MSI. With that said, anyone who reads this, do yourself a favor and DO NOT buy startech splitters, either only 1 port will work at a time or it won't work at all.

 

Ah I understand. So 4.0 or 4.1 is the limit due to the motherboard ><. I guess all the 4.2-4.5 OCs on i7-6820hk that i've seen aren't on msi ms-1815 mobos ><. shucks. Thanks for the explanation, TIL.

 

That's either 3 phases or 2+1 idk which. there are 3 mosfets and 3 chokes above the CPU.

Here is the GT73VR (And GT75VR) boards.

 

SO today I figured out a thing. External monitors will increase your CPU temps by about 5c each on idle. Also, using your usb to charge things also raises your CPU temps apparently.

also, incase anyone didn't know-a higher refreshrate monitor will cause your CPU to go up in temperatures under usage since it takes more resources to displayprocess things at 100hz as opposed to just 60hz. More to do, more resources required. Being the noob that I am, I didn't quite expect that to happen haha. To all my fellow noobs out there, these are things to keep in mind when making decisions that involve thermals or that may impact thermals.

 

Today was a good day for mail. Lots of stuff came in and I can finally take these pictures to share with my fellow gt83 enthusiasts here

Ladies and Gentlemen, after a month of planning and waiting for **** to arrive in the mail from all around the world....

THE MOBILE COMMAND CENTER
Complete with 4 displays...
https://i.imgur.com/24rKcqg.jpg


Lets take a look under the hood while we are at it...
https://i.imgur.com/q7cCs4G.jpg

Power overwhelming....Mwahahahhaahahaha

Only thing left is the mod one of the hyperx ssd cases so that the logo is right side up and my command center is complete. Unfortunately I couldn't find anyone yet that could make a custom clear hood for the laptop for everything to be on display like a desktop. Tried uploading the photos to a media album on the site but the photos are awaiting to be approved. Imgur links will have to suffice until a mod approves the album.

 

Are you familiar at all with the board in the 2018 gt83vr(i7-8850h/1080 sli)? How well can it handle overclocking?

 

Freeze mist, not canned air, although canned air can get cold too if you lay on the button long enough

ShieldMe Freeze Spray
Frys#: 7938470 Model: 1008 $6.47
https://www.frys.com/product/7938470

vs. canned air...

Xtreme Klean Duster (Made in USA), 10oz, 2-Pack
Frys#: 6209120 Model: 520005 $9.95
https://www.frys.com/product/6209120
https://www.frys.com/product/6209160 <= 3-pack

And, I agree, if you are @ 4.2ghz - 4.3ghz now and running cool enough, why crank up the heat/power?

You won't really see that much difference in day to day operation. I ran my 5950HQ @ 4.3ghz for benchmark, but 4.0ghz all core daily driver settings. And, I even had batch job profile with all core 3.5ghz for 24/7 jobs.

The 7820HK will run all core 4.2ghz-4.5ghz with a small to no undervolt, but the 6820HK probably is best at 4.0ghz-4.1ghz as over that it needs overvolt at least a little as you've found.

 

Glad you chimed in. My laptop just crashed(it was a black screen shutdown, not blue screen of death) at 4.1ghz on all 4 clocks , 3.6 core cache and stock voltage. I had XTU running and noticed it wasn't the temperatures or the TDP. Any idea what I need to adjust? I have no idea what causes a blackscreen crash. bluescreens is usually voltage or too high of tdp/heat right? Also, in general, what is core cache? What should it be relative to the core clock?

 

O for those who were concerned in the past(or at least i thought I read it in this thread awhile back),The 2.5" SSD bay and a 2.5" SSD in the ODD bay are in fact stripable(raid 0). Microsoft storage spaces wouldn't let me do it(error occurred after formatting) but it worked fine in disk management. There were no performance gains on the read/writes though in raid 0 . I may have to double check to make sure I have the latest firmware for the hyperx savage ssds though and see if an update increases performance.

EDIT: Actually, found out the ODD bay 2.5" ssd runs at 3 GB/s and while the standard 2.5" bay runs at 6 GB/s. Performance ends up being the same as a 6 GB/s standard storage config though so I guess I technically got a performance boost since it's running at the same speed as the faster bay.

 

Instability comes through as various things. Prime95 for example is good at finding instability before a crash occurs, individual threads will exit with computation errors.

When undervolting and overvolting the first stable point is 100% load, which is what everyone tests first - to see if the undervolt / overvolt makes the new multiplier settings stable.

If you crash you decrease the undervolt or increase the overvolt, increasing in the direction needed until you can run benchmarks and games under load without instability - crashes, program exits, odd screen glitches (happens with both CPU and GPU overclock), and when you are done narrowing in on an undervolt / overvolt setting at load, there is one more optimization for stability.

The Idle test. It can happen right at minimum idle or somewhere between 100% and 0% CPU usage / load.

Basically the undervolt works to reduce temperature by tuning for minimum voltage at CPU 100% load. When that is over and the CPU load is gone, on Balanced Power plan your frequencies / voltage will drop, or on High Power plan your voltage will drop.

As the voltage drops it will hit a minimum stock minus undervolt = stable? Often you need to let it sit idle, all apps close, all background services (downloads) exited or stopped.

If you are unstable below 100% load, at idle or somewhere in between, you can back off the undervolt +5 (increases voltage) or increase overvolt +5 (increases voltage).

Then try again, usually a +5 adjustment is enough to get stable, then try +10.

You will find you can't get a stable overvolt / OC at some point, you can only OC / overvolt so far.

In summary, instability from not enough voltage is seen even when temperatures are ok.

I hope that helps.

Maybe try 40x all core with 35x cache, with no undervolt first.

 

I've been rocking 4.0 on all 4 cores with 3.6 on the cache at stock voltage for awhile, completely stable no issues. I just tested 4.1 on all 4 cores @ stock voltage but I adjusted the core cache from 3.6 to 3.7. No crash yet while playing crysis 3. gotta test out starwars/mass effect next and run some benchmarks/stress tests. I was scouring google and I read somewhere that the core cache likes to be within 200-400mhz of the all core clock speed for the 6820hk hence the 100mhz increase. Hope that's the reason for the shutdown. For reference, Current tests are being ran with 2 packed pixels external monitors(i disconnected the dell monitor for now). 1 of the packed pixels is powered via TB3, the other via USB. They each add about 5c onto CPU & GPU idle/max load temps.

 

I tune the cache multiplier as low as possible before it starts affecting benchmark numbers. The lower the cache speed the lower the power / temperature. Rules of thumb are easy to test with benchmarks, I let that define the setting.

Raising the cache multiplier needs more power, so maybe add some overvolt. Crashing at OC that crosses over from undervolt => stock => overvolt usually needs more overvolt for stability, not more speed.

 

Heads up guys, the eurocom power brick is 10% off retail on ebay-399.99 + 30 for shipping, down from 475

 

Does anyone know if the ms-1815 motherboard can handle this? https://www.ebay.com/itm/4K-18-4-UH...050888?hash=item25fa0e9a08:g:4y0AAOSwJiJbK39Y

 

If that's the eurocom brick, yes it does.


Edit probably not.

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It's a 4k 18.4" monitor. Wondering if it's an option for replacing the 1080p monitor in the laptop

 

It's funny, I haven't heard of anyone that has attempted to swap the 18.4 in the GT8x series for another screen model before, mostly because before this new Asus display there wasn't an alternative.

It is for / from an Asus model, which I think Asus made unique to their build, so even less likely to be compatible.

It's pretty cheap, so if it's not doable in the GT8x after you get it, you can probably resell it for what you paid for it, as long as it's not damaged.

This is the first I've seen one for sale, and I imagine they are hard to find, so I'd snatch it up now if you don't see any others for sale or sold on ebay before.

 

I wouldn't count on it. Though my inkling would be to try.

If you can find a spec sheet or a white paper I think it's called try and check out the pin out for the display connector.

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Asus makes just about everything proprietary to their builds. That's part of the reason I jumped ship.

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Ah I understand. In terms of whitepapers or specs, I can't find anything at all on the msi ms-1815 motherboard to find out what kind of pin connector it has. The 4k monitor would require a dual connector. I'd try to check the motherboard myself but I don't even know what i'm looking for lol

 

Having a sporadic flicker of static on the laptop screen and the two extra monitors hooked up to it ever since I stopped running nvidia surround. Theres lots of results for flickering caused by SLI but im assuming these are referring to constant flickering, not huge half-second blips. Is my laptop dying or is this possibly just another software issue?

Its always either both external monitors together or the laptop's internal monitor, and this only started up after the center monitor to my nV surround setup (connected to the GT83 via HDMI) broke and I had to stop using surround and just do laptop+ the two side monitors.

I've dried driver updates and DDU-ing, DDU seemed(?) to help until i did anything that caused the monitors connection to snap in and out like changing color settings.

 

Try a fresh windows install followed up by installing geforce experience and then update for the latest drivers. Make sure to back up any relevant data before wiping clean.

 

I'll give that a try tonight and reply back tomorrow with results

 

No dice, so far the only fix has been to disable SLI.

 

Is it flickering only during start up or just randomly? I noticed that when i'm using external monitors that are powered by the laptop itself (packed pixels 2 via tb3/usb), I get flickering when booting up(increases boot time too) but I what i'm experiencing is normal.

Is it the main laptop screen that flickers or is it just the external monitors or is it both? And this is all at random times?

 

The only time I had screen flicker issues was when I first plugged in my x34 with gsync active. Try an older revision of drivers. If you use any adapters that change standards ie I have minidp to dp that can do it too.


My money is on display adapter drivers.

Sorry I cant be more help I'm a tad busy with work.

just saw this.

Spoiler

https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produ...or4J4e57TzRdd2GMWBSu3v8xtF5xkdPhoCC-YQAvD_BwE

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Has anyone managed to overclock their ram to 2666mhz for the 6th generation gt83vr models?

 

Heads up for anyone looking to OC their ram in the gt83. figured out how to add a slight OC to ram in the gt83vr bios. Enable the ODD ratio in the bios under your ram settings. It gave me an extra 5.5% speed, from 2400mhz to 2533mhz(CL14). Benchmarks reflected a 5% performance increase as well. Other than that, I don't think it's possible to adjust the ram frequency itself due to the limitations of the bios(UEFI). I haven't messed around with legacy mode at all, anyone know if there are more ram settings available in legacy?

 

Memory ratio isn't in the OC menu. It's elsewehere.

 

Am i right to assume i'd have to modify the bios in order to OC the ram? I really don't want to flash/modify the bios, I have zero experience with that stuff lol. From the reading i've done on the subject I could mistakenly brick the laptop. sounds so risky ><. Maybe i'll just settle for the 2533mhz ram speed that i'm running now...

 

Falkentyne is king. Sooooooooooooooooo many more bios options available now . Here is the latest benchmark. Everything is stable
http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/10016310

Super happy with these results so far. I have to work on the gpu coreclock curve for the 1070s or consider finding someone to mod the hardware/unlock the tdp.

Big thanks to guys like Falkentyne and Hmscott for all their help. Definitely would not be able to do this without them.

 

Is anyone else having trouble with windows constantly killing bluetooth support on your machine? everytime im forced to choke on an update bluetooth disappears.

 

I haven't noticed but I also don't really use my bluetooth at all. I'll turn it on and leave it on for a while to see if anything funky happens when updates occur.

 

It seems to have set itself back right. I was having some stability issues and features going missing but after the last update it seems to work right. God I wish I could go back to controlling my updates.

 

anyone got a gt83vr with 6 cores cpu in it? are there any additional changes to heatsink or inner design maybe share pictures.

 

That's just a turdbook with a 8850H CPU. Same chip as some of the GT75 Titans, so it's a locked down turdchip. Unless one of the strange non USA SKU's has a 8950HK in it. And expect fewer VRM's just like the GT83VR SLI, which had 3 phases, while the GT73VR (GT75VR) had 5 phases.

Would be nice if they put 5 or 6 phases like they did with the GT75 Titan.

 

Sorry for the delayed response, though no issue with bluetooth when left on. I do however have an issue with wifi not automatically connecting after a cold boot(i have to do it manually sometimes

Definitely surprised they didn't do an i7-8950hk model for the gt83 with the coffeelake refresh.

 

@ole!!! @Falkentyne @gt83vr6reHelp

the ability to overclock has been moved to the i9 series of chips, The i7 mobile chips no longer hold the ability to overclock. Or as is apparent to the sku's and research I've done helping my little bother pick a laptop.

 

basically the K version can overclock regardless of i7/i9 this is how intel intended.

 

yea but it seems the only SKU teir for the mobile that has the K suffix is the i9 series, unless the whole line hasn't been fleshed out yet.

https://gizmodo.com/everything-we-know-so-far-about-intels-newest-8th-gener-1824260389

https://ark.intel.com/products/series/134928/8th-Generation-Intel-Core-i9-Processors
https://ark.intel.com/products/series/122593/8th-Generation-Intel-Core-i7-Processors#@mobile

Edit: I do want to point out something I missed in the linked gizmodo article, the 8850H is partially unlocked it seems filling the slot of the old "HQ" parts. I'll have to dig more.

 

thats right, intel make laptop consumers to pay more for overclocking. their excuse is to move overclocking from i7 to i9 and only allow 1 SKU of i9 to OC.

on desktop, you still have i7 that can overclock, even some i5/i3, which is why we wanted more laptop manufacturers to embrace desktop CPU inside thicker/flagship laptops.

 

I can think of a few dozen expletives to hand over to them.

Ah well, looks like when I hit my upgrade cycle I'll go desktop or find a desktop cpu laptop. Hopefully there will be a bunch of options for me to peruse.

 

there are currently only TWO manufacturer that makes laptop work with desktop CPUs. MSI's 15 inch GT62 i think (eurocom tornado F5) and clevo's P700/800 series laptop.

MSI is making a 17 inch laptop soon that it can also house desktop CPU so you might wanna wait until that one is out and compare it to clevo's 17" laptop. MSI usually dont slack off on cooling, where as clevo gives lots of storage + easier for Prema to mod. both has benefits. the laptops should be out by end of this year, or early next year.

 

Unless games start working those extra cpu cores over time or something comes out on the cards that flips everything on its head I probably wont be upgrading for a few years still or something doubles the power of my 1080's

I like the idea of their gt75 line but I've fallen in love for better or worse with the form factor of the GT83.

Edit: Yeah I'm gonna keep an eye on whats coming out.

 

i7 - 8850H is "partially unlocked", partial unlock allows for DRAM overclocking and a 400MHz CPU overclock, but not more.

 

Yea, I noticed it after I posted it and I was re reading through it again to get something else I was interested in within the article.

 

So the 8850h can be clocked to 4.3ghz or does it clock to 4.7ghz?