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Hi again guys

Got 2 questions about GT83VR 7RF

1. I'm in need of new thermal pads. What I want to do is to change all of them on GPUs and CPU. Can you guys give me an advice where to get proper ones?
2. I cannot remember if there supposed to be thermal paste between CPU and GPUs heatsink. Can you guys also help me out on that? Check the attached pics

https://imgur.com/cTYVk9r
https://imgur.com/Nt8Xwp2

 

Just about any decent thermal pads would do you. I think you can grab them off there.

Also I don't remember if there is supposed to be thermal paste or a pad there. Worst thing that could really happen if you got to take it back out because it's letting too much heat through.

Sorry about the late reply, all the holidays and stuff plus catch up from work.

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Has anyone tried using intel optane in a model with a 6th generation cpu? Curious if it will work.

 

Thank you for your answer.

Ok, so let me ask this another way. Which thermal pads would you recommend? I've heard that quality does matter and I really do not know which ones should I pick

About the thermal paste... ehh, anyone would be willing to check that for me in your laptop?

 

If you want the lowest temps possible, I recommend using liquid metal like conductonaut. Liquid metal is applied differently than traditional thermal paste so I would recommend watching multiple tutorials on youtube to get a full understanding of the process. Or you can go with traditional paste like kryonaut/coolermaster/artic etc etc. but the temps won't be as low as liquid metal.

As far as thermal pads go, Fujipoly are pretty popular. Just be sure to replace the existing pads with new pads of the same thickness.

 

Yea, the pads are pretty good.

I would avoid liquid metal anywhere you can't dam it up and keep it contained.

He is asking about where the heat pipes cross over eachother.

Personally I would recommend your favorite non conductive paste for that application, it won't have to be amazing as it's just a "help" junction to bleed some heat off. And if you get it transferring too much it may bleed too much heat onto one side or the other and swamp that side with heat.

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So you are talking about applying thermal paste between those 2 heatsinks in the images i posted? I still cannot remember honestly if there was paste or pads there even

I also tried to find those fujipoly thermal pads on ebay but seems like they ship only from US. I'm UK based so I'm gonna keep on looking for them.
I've also noticed that 99% of them are 1mm thick so I guess thats what I'm going for. Gonna need a lot of them tho, since last time as I remember there were planty of thermal pads on both GPUs

 

Yea. I haven't been able to pull mine appart to check if it's pasted or not yet as I have been working about 13 hours a day.

I looked into it a little on my breaks the best I could on mobile but I think it's just a pad.

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Thanks for the answer then mate. If you will find out that it's a pad for sure, I'll be grateful.

 

Ok guys, Just did some more tuning(still fooling around with that thing? YUP!). Smashed my previous #1 score of 1498marks. Love how this 6820hk hangs out with 6700ks, 7700ks and 7820hks. Really wish MSI released the 2019 gt83 model with the 8950hk chip instead of the 8850h chip. Would have upgraded >><<. O wells, hopefully next year . https://hwbot.org/benchmark/xtu/rankings?hardwareTypeId=processor_4390&cores=4#start=0#interval=20

I'm really curious if anyone can explain to me why xtu is telling me my memory is at 3733mhz? I booted it at 2800mhz, xtu says my normal max is 2800mhz. Anytime i've manually overclocked it before it showed going past 2800mhz, but this time I didn't overclock the memory manually past 2800mhz. The xtu settings in my submission on my profile are what I ran the benchmark with. Does it have anything to do with running 1-2 cores active at 44 ratio and 3-4 cores active at 43 with a cache of 40? Never seen this before. Here is the screenshot. It's always been accurate before. Everywhere else it says they are at 2800mhz. EDIT: I think xtu is reading the memory straps as 1.33 and not 1.00. 1.33 x 14 x 2 = 3733, 1.00 x 14 x 2 =2800. Odd

 

I just dug around in some teardowns now that I am home. It looks like its thermally pasted.

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Thank you very much!

Ok so one last thing. I now know which thermal pads to buy but how about thermal paste? I used Arctic Silver 5 for everything last time, but I understand that there are a lot better pastes now. For example I've heard that Noctua NT-H1 is actually one of the best you can buy to get lowest temps on CPU and GPU. Which one would you pick?

By the way, should I use different paste to apply between those heatsinks then? Or it doesn't really matter.

 

I'd stay far away from the noctua nt-h1. They don't even tell you what the actual thermal conductivity of the paste is. It is supposedly "award winning" but who the hell is giving out these "awards" anyway? Companies pay for these awards. It's just marketing malarky. What exactly did they win an award for? Vague marketing without actual data or any comparisons other than "herp derp this is better than as5" without actually showing it? .

Silly but warranted criticism of the product aside, I'm sure it will do fine(people have used worse) but I doubt it gives the lowest temps like they claim on the website and i'm sure it won't even come close to any liquid metal applications. My recommendation is go with liquid metal if you are non-ln2 overclocking, if you aren't overclocking, literally almost any paste will do fine(except for toothpaste!). Also, if you go with traditional thermal compound, use a non-curing compound on the gpu(s). Or just go with what you are already have experience with and are already comfortable with, as5. But again, if you are overclocking a laptop, a proper application of liquid metal is the way to go, you'll have the potential to get the highest overclocks with the lowest possible temps as long as you have a decent chip. Or you can even run mild overclocks with sick low temps.

Screw it, Even if you aren't overclocking, go liquid metal .

(If you can't tell I love liquid metal. I'll never go back to traditional thermal compound if I have a choice).

Yeah get liquid metal

 

If you are comfortable with the Arctic Silver 5 I would continue using that.

If you have pulled off the heatsinks for the CPU and GPU and are looking to re seat them yea I would redo the paste on them.

I forgot the paste that I used when I redid my old laptop but it wasn't anything super high tier.

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Yesterday was exciting. Every time I think i've hit a limit with this chip or think i've mastered it, It just gets even better.

#1 spot again, but less points than before *BUT* with a lower frequency, lower voltage, lower temps and less amps. This chip is really efficient. #1 @ 4.1ghz

https://hwbot.org/submission/4142828_duplicity_xtu_core_i7_6820hk_1500_marks

 

Cheers for the answer.

I have never used liquid metal and have no idea how to apply it so I'm actually scared that I'll do something wrong. Like you said before I belive, I'd have to watch many tutorials on how to do it.

Yeah, I kinda want to switch from AC5 ... I know for sure there must be other paste that will give me those low temps I need. Would you recommend anything?
I'm still thinking about applying 2 different pastes on GPUs and the gap between heatsinks in a pic I posted before. You guys think it's a good idea or should I just the same paste to everything?

 

If you are too scared to go with liquid metal, just get whatever traditional thermal compound, Doesn't matter which brand, Regular thermal compounds/pastes are pretty much all the same with minor exceptions, it's all the same ****. It doesn't matter whether you use 1 type of thermal paste or 2, just avoid applying them on the same area. Just be sure to use a non-curing thermal compound on the gpu(s) for best long term performance.

 

Have any gt83 owners used Svet's services for an unlocked bios(to get dram voltage setting unlocked)? If it worked, did it allow you to set the dram voltage past 1.20v?

Also, Is it possible to flash an unlocked bios via usb?

 

If anyone wants to beat my score @gt83vr6reHelp if its possible on your chip LOL

 

I still use arctic silver 5 one of the best to this day, I haven't heard noctua being any good and honestly I don't think it makes much of a temp difference, there are 4 huge heatpipes taking the heat away from the cpu anyway. Just liquid metal the cpu and apply arctic silver to the secondary heatsink and you'll have idle temps of 39c - 44c.

 

I accept your challenge. I also counter challenge you to beat my XTU score with your next generation processor that clocks higher than mine .

 

@DaMafiaGamer

Real close on matching your userbenchmark score. Used blck overclocking for this 4.4ghz run. At 4.5ghz, the test crashes during sustained ssd write test(i'm guessing thats because of too high of system agent clock altered by blck overclock?or I might not have the right version IRST raid0 driver, I think i'm actually using the optane version of the IRST driver still as I was testing compatibility a while back, i'll have to check). Maybe I should just overclock via xtu for 4.5ghz instead of forcing the bclk).

 

Very nice, literally neck and neck, try cinebench too. Also what are you’re load temps? Wattage use must be insane, I know because mine reached 68w on load (prime95) and 83c max temp respectively.

One thing I love about this machine: no throttling whatsoever that means no current limit no power limit no vr limit and no thermal throttling either. This thing is a beast either way...

 

I pull about 100w-120w during benchmark tests(using the imon slope 50 trick to fool the laptop to thinking i'm pulling half of that so that it doesn't shutdown/throttle from being past 60ish tdp) just on the package alone when extreme overclocking. As expected, extreme overclocking during benchmark tests while under full load cause temps to reach as high as 96c(again that's during the benchmarks while its getting hammered hard). I haven't tried prime95 yet. Getting the laptop ready for cinebench 15 as we speak. Just curious, any reason why you didn't go for cinebench r20?

 

I'm looking at the top cinebench r15 scores right now for the 6820hk, looks like someone used one of these chips with a z170 motherboard/chipset on LN2 cooling @ 4.63 ghz LOL. Definitely not taking the top cb15 spot for the 6820hk on aircooling. I'll see how high I can go though ^^.

 

Wow it shows the efficiency improvements then I guess, Kabylake was more than a small step up in ipc, it was mainly consumption that was cut

I used r15 as that pretty much what everyone used for overclocking, plus everyone can understand these results.

 

Yeah they definitely made it more power efficient for sure. But the important question to ask is, What does it matter if it takes less power when the chip is still tdp limited ya know? I don't care if i'm pulling 50w or 100w, I just want the performance ya know? These chipmakers can talk all about lower power this and that but at the end of the day, Did I really get anything more for my money? If i'm using 40% less power, shouldn't that mean there is room for 40% more performance? It should, but that isn't what we get. TDP limitations and components used play a role here. For someone who travels a lot with their gt83, it might be a good thing since less power= longer battery life but I'm stationary with my gt83 so less power doesn't mean much to me. I'm not worried about my electric bill being an extra 30 dollars spread out over the course of a year ya know?(these seem to be the only benefits to using less power).

 

Yeah true but my laptop doesn’t have any throttling problems??? Even when prime95 was active it wasn’t current limit throttling it was sticking to the 4.3ghz multi core frequency and the cache was at 4ghz like normal. Even gaming the frequency never drops at all. Strange that yours does or maybe my laptop came with an unlocked bios (most likely due to the countless features in the ‘advanced’ tab).

Also I’m using 2x330w power adapters along with only ONE gtx 1070.

You know I was honestly considering selling this laptop to get the gt83vr with the 8850h but after seeing what this cpu is capable of I don’t think it’s necessary, it’s within 5-10% off a stock 8750/8850h in multi core anyway (I need multi core performance for rendering, this cpu is MORE than capable for that).

 

It only throttles/shutsdown if I don't use the imon slope trick while extreme overclocking to 4.4 or 4.5ghz. Stock turbo is 3.2-3.6. Even at 4.2 there are no issues. It's not a problem with the laptop itself, it's just that i'm pushing the chip farther than even intel recommends(they only stand by a 4.2ghz OC on all 4 cores with 3.2ghz on the cache on this chip, I go 4.4 on core AND cache) and using unorthodox means to circumvent firmware limitations to avoid shutdowns. Every chip has this.

 

Improved result (this time with all applications closed, I'm going to try bclk overclocking now):





Edit: I didn't know intel had ****ed the chips like that, what is the point in a hk processor then if it's still going to have limitations. I miss the days of the 4940MX a true desktop replacement processor at the time. Or even back in time to the 940XM, that really had no limitations whatsoever, you could keep overclocking till your motherboard vrms fried

 

I may have miscommunicated what I wanted to get across earlier, All the limitations are with MSI's mobo/firmware/bios and not the chip. Certain things such as the TDP cap can be bypassed through various bios tricks.

Nice cinebench score. I'm going to have to do some tuning specifically for cbr15. I got 929 @ 4.3ghz drawing just over 90 watts. Core/package temps all in mid 90s as expected. My ambient temps are rather high right now though, house A/C has been down for 3 days, they should arrive between 12 and 4 to fix it. That probably won't take much off temps underload, maybe 5c if that. I can do more tests after I bring house temps back to 70. Flipping 82 degrees in here right now ><. 4.4ghz wouldn't complete. I think I may need to lower the current a little bit, might be bogging it down, currently have it at 255 amps LOL. It could also be that XTU's and CBR15's load is far different in the way the CPU experiences it. XTU shows bursts of the CPU going up/down. I wonder if CBR15 is a constant 100% cpu usage like an XTU stress test. Not sure whether 4.4ghz just isn't doable for those kinds of loads or if I need to properly tune specifically for cbr15/rendering in general. Chances are I think it could come down to what the chip is capable of when it comes to the highest frequencies. I think I may need to do a repaste as well, it's been a year since liquid metal has been applied and rumor has it that I should reapply once a year for a laptop.

What does your bios look like btw? Mind taking photos of memory options/settings?

Btw, I think your GPU OC might be sub-optimal. I'm scoring 10% higher on userbenchmark @ 1911 core clock and 2002 memoryclock(userbenchmark also doesn't bench SLI, only 1 . The real question though is how is the GPU performing it real gpu benchmark tests like firestrike/timespy etc.

 

Errrrr we have different GPUs or different GPU bios, I have revision A and you have revision B. Could be why there is a small performance difference.

In terms of processor power, based on what i'm seeing off my/yours cbr15 run, xtu and userbenchmarks, It makes me think these processors perform slightly differently depending on the load(assuming I am tuned properly). It looks like your 7920hq fluctuates between 1-5% better depending on the type of load. Based on what i'm seeing from other 6820hk benchmarks from users with different laptops, It is all coming down to motherboard/firmware. The SC17 laptop motherboard/bios looks to be fantastic for better temperatures(cpu + better vrm package/cooling) and ram overclocking. SC17 motherboard can more than likely maintain 4.4ghz on the 6820hk as a daily driver with proper tuning.

 

Here are some pictures of the bios :

Spoiler

 

If it is not too much trouble, please take a snapshot of the memory options such as options to adjust dram voltage/memory timings/ratios etc. Curious if MSI gives you the option to change the dram voltage. Mine says N/A but still shows a dropdown menu that I can select anywhere from 1.20v to 1.65v in 5v increments but it never sticks, always goes back to 1.20v after saving changes + restart. Our bioses so far look similar, you have one extra performance menu and a couple extra options such as avx offset, xtu interface etc.

 

O ****, I just noticed we have the same motherboard. Do you know anything about bios compatibility for these specific SKUs(gt83vr6re/gt83vr7re)? I wonder if I could just download your bios from the msi website/flash mine and have it work/not brick the machine so that I could have the ability to tune my ram even further.

 

Was just looking at your userbenchmark runs and wanted to give you a heads up, If you can up your cpu cache ratio as close to matching your core ratio, your memory will perform better when it comes to latency.

 

@DaMafiaGamer i see you loving and enjoying your new toy.

 

Yeah definitely, I'm honestly surprised as to how clean you kept it, it has virtually no scratches anywhere, it's missing the back vent accents but who cares about that lol. The laptop just works as it should.

Glad I took it off your hands, let me know about the GT75 I maybe interested after selling my GT72 2QE in a few days time...

 

Thanks for the help, yeah I haven't really been playing around with the cache frequency either, you have to admit I must have got a golden sample 7920hq to have a core vid as low as 1.2v on 4.3GHz, hence the low voltage and temps. On top of that I'm getting some insane scores for a 7920hq, the benchmarks are literally off the charts (userbenchmark) lol

 

I keep all my toys clean bro lol.

Hopefully sometime by the end of this week I will let you know about the GT75.

 

Thanks

 

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Didn't you just get that gt83 not long ago? Why'd you sell so quickly?

 

I have too many MSI products.

Right now I have two G65 Vortex GT80S with desktop GTX 980 SLI , and a repaired GT75 on the way. Plus I got a few Alienware 17 R1 that needs repair lol.

I am just going to clean out everything.

 

Holy moly, that is a lot of laptops lol. So I guess you buy up fixer-uppers, repair and resell them? Do you also do hardware mods?

 

Nah , that’s too complicated.

I do have a water cooled MXM SLI kit for laptop though, made by asetek. I think that’s how you spell it. Hehehehe

 

That’s exactly what I do. Bought a joblot of zbook 15 g2’s the other day. Said dead untested and it turns out they were almost max spec. I made a decent amount of profit too. The biggest joblot I’ve got is 10 gt70/gt72 laptops with mb/mosfet problems.

If you know what’s wrong you can fix it I guess and there’s a lot of money involved. Sometimes you come across a laptop and you keep it just like the one @Rengsey R. H. Jr. sold me. I won’t be selling it anytime soon.

 

Please link me to photos or please link me to something that shows how this works. I've only ever seen DIY liquid cooling for laptops, never seen anything professionally manufactured that actually works. Also, is the water cooled mxm sli kit have it's own gpus or is it something that can be added to a pre-existing set up? You have me intrigued.

 

You can buy cnc milled water cooling heatsink for your laptop. Taobao professionalised in this area. Although they aren’t amazing they really do the job in instantaneous cooling. A 9900k would run decent under one of those cpu blocks for a P870KM or tm.

 

Please link me to the exact items you are referring to. Google shows me weird prototype stuff/random stuff that looks like it wouldn't fit in a laptop.

 

Found some demos of watercooled laptops cooled by asetek on alienware laptops on youtube from several years ago, found some diy stuff on aliexpress but other than that, nothing in the last few years. Also found aluminum laptop watercooling products but I need copper because aluminum will get destroyed under liquid metal. Would love if there was a simple some-what easy to install/compact watercooling kit that would be suitable for the gt83(both gpus + cpu) that uses copper, just don't want any of the mess/gawdiness from DIY solutions.

EDIT:It appears asetek never brought their prototype to market. O wells.