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Well, seems msi.com is down.... trying to download a couple drivers. Anybody know of a backup source? Thanks! Also, if anyone could take a peak at my thread here that might could help, that'd be great! Not sure if it's a Intel, Nvidia, Optimus or MSI problem, but seems to be linked to the Nvidia drivers:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...idia-331-40-breaks-my-opengl.html#post9400215


EDIT: Well, I discovered the reason I was having OpenGL issues as described in the linked post above was related to the TechInferno vBIOS for the 780m. Great vBIOS for performance but hadn't noticed this problem because I don't often use OpenGL. Would be curious if anyone else running the vBIOS has the same issue.

 

I am not even sure what uses OpenGL at the moment lol.

The mobile version of the website was working for me.

 

Msi.com seems to be back up... was down for about 6 hours today.

As for OpenGL, X-Plane 10 and IL2 1946, two great flight sims both use OpenGL and are what tipped me off... both would crash on launch because of the modded vbios.

 

When I install 331.40 beta, my MSI Afterburner shows my 780m topping out at 324 core clock. Is there a way to fix this?

 

You can try this 327.24 beta w/OpenGL 4.4.
https://developer.nvidia.com/opengl-driver

 

Links to copies of recovery disks are posted on the main post just in case you mess up.

 

Just a quick question for you guys: does the mSATA SuperRAID 2 adapter let me configure 2 of the available SATA3 channels as RAID0 and the third channel as a non-member drive?
I'd like to RAID0 2x256GB Toshiba THNSNH256GMCT mSATA SSDs and use the original 128GB Sandisk SSD as a cache for the 1TB HDD.

Also what's the difference between the Win7 and Win8 BIOS image found on the MSI site? I just saw it today

 

Yes, you can configure a RAID 0 with 2 out of 3 channels.
Win7 BIOS = Legacy only.
Win8 BIOS = UEFI, Legacy, CSM.
Do not cross-flash though or else it can brick your system.

 

Thank You Kevin
Do you (Gentech) have these models for sale? I've heard they come bundled with some newer batches of GT60s and GT70s

So regarding BIOS, the difference is only in the enabled options. Ok won't mess with it

 

You can PM Ken about the models for sale, thank you. ^^

 

I have found the source of the memory leak I was experiencing. Seems it was the Killer network manager, updated drivers off the killer site the latest ones and my memory doesn't slowly fill up any more over a few days.

 

Yup. I heard they are fixing some firmware IRQ issues with their drivers so stability issues may arise. I also asked them regarding a router/hotspot internet sharing functionality like the one Intel cards have. They are considering it but not on the priority list right now. Might come in handy

Also got something very nice for our notebooks:

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=251232417762
Better safe than sorry

 

I tend to use strips fitted with those generally as loosing stuff always sucks.

 

Maybe out of the way and sorry if I interfere unexpected, I have few things new for GT60-2OD since I do not have my system anymore (keyboard, media bar without the touch sensitivity buttons - I can explain how it can be replaced, back cover and few fans - 1 it is modded by me and it works perfect, another one is NSTECH which is completely silent; both fans are tried and work perfect). Please PM me if interested... However (even if I do not have my MSI anymore, doesn't mean I will not buy one in the near future ), I still visit this thread often and I really appreciate what everyone does to help eachother and I wanted to say Thank You to all...

 

I haven't updated my killer drivers since stock, might be a good idea to update them haha.

Curious: Anyone have some sort of issue when playing games, and the game sometimes will freeze for less than a second and then go on as if nothing happened? I think it might be optimus related, when using external monitors. I am using one external monitor and when I don't enable software like HWMonitor or afterburner, I get those weird skips every now and then. It is puzzling to me because using HDMI out should be wired directly to the dGPU. I will try with the display port to see if it helps... The reason I think it might be optimus related is because HWmonitor or afterburner tend to force the dGPU all the time, but the issue might be caused by something else entirely.

 

I use a travel adapter & spike guard for my laptop. did any one install the beta drivers for Killer (it seems to be optimised for win 8/8.1) & Intel rst engine (this one adds trim support). I have been having a weird problem with my BIS firewall that dsnt seem to detect the my internet adapter & giving errors but internet runs fine along killer manager . The BIS support did mention issues related to some network drivers & even optimus

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I also get those freezes... (in dota 2 mostly), in BF4 beta i did not noticed, btw our laptop run this game so well, but for me this freezes started with the beta driver for BF4.

 

did u install geforce experience. its available on nvidia site & provide optimised setting for our games (dota 2 seem to run & luk better)



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I see so it is most likely drivers. I will check it out with other versions or by completely removing drivers. Try hwmonitor to see if it also helps you.

Yeah GeForce Experience became sort of added default with newer drivers. While it does provide optimized settings, the freezes we get are not settings related.

 

Very likely as BF4 uses a beta nvidia driver and the beta version itself is not fully tested therefore cud have issues (players reportin fps issues while using certain weapons like combat knife, etc). Overall, it cud mainly be driver related as someone had posted similar hdmi/external monitor issues before also

 

Ryzeki and others -

I did have this issue quite often when I first bought the machine. My fix actually had nothing to do with the graphics. For me it was the two disc drives. I stored all my games on the 1TB drive. Everytime the game would access that drive, it would briefly freeze. The issue disappeared when I bought an 840 pro and removed the other drives. Now, I only have one-512 SDD in the computer.

erikranger

 

It may be the hdd has enough time to go into sleep mode.

 

Yes it may be that, and when I open HWmonitor it is polling for the HDD temp which would prevent it from going to sleep and maybe that's why I don't get those with HWmonitor open. Thanks people I will test it out!

 

Where are the 2 memory slots that are populated in the stock gt60? Are they under the heat sink? Is the memory 1.35 volt or 1.5? If you wanted to replace the primary msata with a regular ssd where is the primary slot for that? I don't see either in GenTechs unboxing video.

 

2 underneath the keyboard, 2 on the back side of chassis, 1.35V only.

 

As Kevin@Gentech replied plus you the msata ssds are on an adapter, so to put a 2.5" you need another adapter. You may be able to get it while buying the laptop (ask your reseller for it). The secondary bas has a normal sata interface, its just the primary that has the adapter.

 

Can you take out the primary msata drive and use the secondary hard drive (or ssd) as the primary C drive?

 

Hi, just a small question. Has anyone tried the new bios ? I mean the 50h version. Any changes observed regarding the use (speed of fans, etc...) ?

 

Fans wont change with a bios version since they come from the EC.

 

You could but you'll lose one slot. Also, I'm not sure if the secondary drive slot is SATA III or SATA II.

 

If you are sure that you have GT60-2OD then all SATA connectivity are SATA III (6.0 Gbps).

 

You can also make a bootable windows from any sata port, no need for it to be the primary or secondary.

 

Well, curious as a follow up, how are the newer GT60-2OD's fans out of the box for those that have purchased recently? That's the only real constant annoyance with mine, which I bought from the first batch back in July with noisy NStech fans everybody complained about. Never replaced as I wasn't convinced the previous version, the name escapes me, wasn't a downgrade despite mine's noise.... so, has the fan noise been resolved? Is it time to buy a replacement NStech?

Temps are still great, and performance is right as expected.... just would like to get rid of that blasted squirrel that lives inside of mine ha

 

Curious Ryzeki, did you ever find a fix? I've started playing some of my flight sims (DCS World, IL2) that are installed on the HDD these last couple weeks, and have noticed this pausing as well. Everything is running great and smooth, then the HDD gets accessed and everything stops for a second then continues right back.

It's driving me nuts and I know it's not game related as they never did it before on older laptops... plus to test, I moved IL2 to the SSD and it's perfectly smooth, so not GPU related either.

Power settings have HDD not sleeping for 20 minutes so that can't be the problem as it happens every few minutes can it? This is the only system I've had this problem on with these sims.

 

I haven't found a permanent fix yet, but using HWmonitor works to prevent that HDD issue. I am looking into it but due to work and travel I have little time to mess with it. There must be something, perhaps even in BIOS, that we can tweak to change that. I will let you know if I find a perma solution. For now I strongly advise using HWMonitor to prevent those skips.

 

Look into the advanced power settings.

 

I just got my MSI GT60 2OD-026US last Tuesday (October 28th) and I've been having the same issue (exactly, I think). If I run everything from the primary solid state drive, I don't experience any issues.

However, almost any interaction with the secondary HDD causes problems. For example, I have my music library stored on the secondary hard drive. If I load a play-list of mp3s in VLC, I will get a 1 or 2 second pause, periodically. In fact, the problem is easiest to detect if you have some kind of sound playing.

I have also experienced this problem a lot while playing a game called Oblivion (the 4th Elder Scrolls game). As you might expect, walking around the world requires frequent access the HDD in order to load the terrain (my Steam library is installed on the secondary drive as well). I will frequently run into a situation where the game will become unresponsive for 1 second and then continue on. This isn't a FPS lag; it is more like an interrupt (much like my mp3 issue noted above).

I thought that given the nature of my problem, I must have received a problematic secondary hard drive. However, I have ruled this out by running the extended test from the WinDFT available on the HGST (manufacturer's) website. After completing the ~3 hour test, my secondary hard drive has a clean bill of health.

I strongly suspect this is an issue with Intel drivers for the SATA controller. I've seen MANY similar problems reported over the last 4 or 5 years that were fixed and re-broken over and over again with each release of Intel drivers/Intel RST.

This laptop is an amazing piece of hardware--at the level of, "You can pry it out of my cold, dead hands." But, this problem is very disruptive.

I would like some advice from the community here. Is it possible that:

1. This storage controller/drivers just don't like that combination of a SSD and HDD?
2. The storage controller just handles two drives, in general, poorly?
3. Faulty hardware (unlikely, given that many are having it, but it's possible that Intel or HGST have poor QA)
4. Windows configuration
5. BIOS configuration

If the problem is that the controller/drivers are bad at handling the SDD+HDD combination, I'll just buy another SSD and replace the HDD. This is my first SSD and I am in love with it. It's unbelievable how fast this thing boots/loads apps. But, if I by a SSD and continue to have the problem, it would be a shame. I'd love to hear feedback on this.

 

Have you tried running everything off the SSD first? Instead of running SSD+HDD in combination, the HDD could have a hard time catching its breath.
If you have second thoughts about RST driver, here's the latest version directly from Intel's website.
RST Driver 12.8.0.1016
Perhaps try these first and we can try to figure out the issues one by one after.

 

I have had an issue with this laptop for a while now. Whenever connected to an external monitor using the Nvidia GPU, (Dvi or HDMI video out) the 780m core clock stays at 771 Mhz. I have looked all over the place for a setting to use desktop mode or something. If I unplug the AC it drops to 324 or something like that, but then goes back up to 771 Mhz as soon as I plug it back in.

This has happened with every version of drivers I have used. I am currently on the latest WHQL 327.23

Sometimes I would get insanely low idle speeds, like 135 Mhz for no reason. It would kick up if something needed it like a video or a game or a program, then go back to 135 Mhz as soon as demand for GPU power was down. I actually love this, as 135 Mhz means a lot less heat. I did have the laptop repasted with IC Diamond by Gentech, and when this happens my gpu idles at around 35 and my cpu at around 40. But when the Gpu won't slow down and stay at 771 Mhz all day when using dGpu video out.. I idle a mad temps like 65 on the GPU. This is very problematic, since it wastes energy, creates extra heat and decreases life span of the GPU.

Until now I hadn't figured what caused the GPU to sometimes idle at 135 Mhz, I have found that after booting the PC connected to an external monitor (or 2, HDMI and Mini DisplayPort in my case) I need to set it to use only the PC built in display, then put the laptop to sleep and then wake it up. And then extend the desktop to all 3 of my screens. After that the GPU idles at 135 Mhz all day unless I do something which requires more GPU processing power.

If anyone knows of any setting or something where I can manually control this, It would be greatly appreciated. As I see on Speccy that the GPU clock for 2D desktop is 324 Mhz.. but I haven't found anyway to force it at those speeds manually. I either get 771MHz if I use a external monitor.. or 135Mhz after putting to sleep and then waking. (The whole process takes about 20 more seconds, yet still it shouldnt have to be that way)

 

It is normal, because AC Adapter is 180W and Battery pack is 50W.
System will only run at full power and full speed with AC connected and nVidia GPU is mostly dormant on battery mode while Intel HD handles most of the display requests.

 

What I want to be able to do.. Which there seems to be no setting for anywhere is to force the Nvidia 780m to idle at 135Mhz instead of 771 Mhz when connected to AC and using external screens. And not doing anything that is GPU intensive.

The process described above is the only way I have found of doing so. I was wondering if anybody had run into this issue or wished to run a cooler and more power efficient system when using this laptop for desktop or office work.

You don't really need 771 Mhz running 2 external screens with excel, word and chrome, given near 0% usage. Using many more watts than needed to keep those clocks going. I barely get 30% usage when running at 135 Mhz displaying a 1080 youtube video on each external screen. Using much less watts doing this at these clocks.

All I'm asking for is if there is a 2D desktop setting somewhere to set the GPU at 135 Mhz without having to go through the boot-put to sleep-wake up method.

For gaming power management is quite awesome. Turn off internal screen and use only external screen if there seems to be wattage issues bottlenecking the system at full clocks, even overclocks on the 780m.

 

The VGA BIOS determines what speed it can utilize depending on the power state, 50W isn't enough to push everything therefore CPU/GPU performance must be reduced to the minimal.
This is why you cannot force the system to perform at higher speeds.

 

Thanks for the Help Kevin, but it seems that maybe I did not express my problem correctly.

This problem happens when using the computer with AC. Running external screens, that are running off of the 780m
since not doing anything that needs heavy GPU muscle I don't need high clocks, since they are a waste of electricity, dissipate more heat and decrease lifespan of gpu.

Using external screens for Office work, means GPU is idling. In this case

771 Mhz = Very bad. Too much heat and electricity used.

135 Mhz = Very good. More than plently of power to display office programs and youtube videos. While keeping heat down and electricity usage down as well.

Problem is, there seems to be no easy way to set the GPU to idle at 135 Mhz. Only by putting it to sleep and then waking it.
This has happened to all drivers that I have used. Currently on 327.23

Any way of manually setting the GPU speed to 135Mhz?

 

You can try MSI Afterburner software to reduce the clock speed.
MSI Afterburner 3.0.0 Beta 15 Download

 

So, this is what it looks like anyway. This is after booting, putting to sleep and then waking. Idle clock is 135 Mhz by default after going to sleep instead of 771 Mhz when using external screens. Hope this helps somebody when using the laptop with external screens and not gaming. If anyone knows a better way of getting those idle speeds please let me know.



Without doing the put to sleep process.. I get 771 Mhz constant idle speeds with temps around 65.

 

After using this beast of a laptop for awhile, I think I am gonna sell mine. I had been packing it back and forth to work, but the weight is too much for that. Combined with the fact I play mostly MMOs, I dont need the grunt of the 780. also, the single fan design leads to a lot of noise if you use the cooler boost feature. Look for it on the market soon or PM me.

 

So, the update for final release for win 8.1 is up. did anyone download it & do we need to get the 8.1 drivers from msi site after 8.1 installation or the drivers for 8 do fine.

BTW i have a strange issue with Bitdefender Internet Security which even the BIS support hasnt fixed yet. Strangely , the firewall shows a blank graph & firewall options dont change but give error - unable to communicate with BitDefender security service despite unistalling & reinstallin the Killer drivers & nvidia optimus drivers as they said. I didnt have this issue with BitDefender Win 8 security suite but thts not available in india yet

 

Yes, it seems you are having the same problem we are... whenever the HDD gets accessed, there is a slight delay which interrupts music, videos, gameplay etc. I doubt it's broken hardware, but I'm sure hoping it's software fixable and not a design glitch. A user here EricRanger has said that he solved this problem by replacing both stock drives with a single 512GB SSD. Unfortunately this doesn't tell us if swapping the HDD for a SSD would solve the problem. I suspect it will, and I can verify that running two independent mSATA SSD drives solves the problem in bay 1, but haven't read anywhere with anyone using the mSATA drives and a full size 2.5" SSD. Oddly, on my previous laptops, just running everything from the HDD never had this problem, so it's got to be something with the HDD access in this setup interacting with the SSD. For what it's worth, I am using the updated Intel RST drivers from the MSI website with no change to this problem.

Running directly off the SSD does of course solve the problem, but that totally defeats the purpose of having the HDD. I have the same game installed on the SSD and the HDD. When run from SSD, totally smooth. When run from HDD, smooth, random pause, smooth, pause, smooth, pause, etc. The real problem is these games run just fine on all my previous machines that only had slow HDD's. So, the problem is the how MSI setup the interaction of the SSD and the HDD. The HDD isn't being pushed beyond what it can easily do, it just simply isn't performing period.

Edit: read back through my post, wanted to make sure Kevin@GenTechPC didn't think i was trying to be negative or pushy!! Apologies if I came across that way! Was typing from my phone in a hurry while waiting for a mechanic... we appreciate any and all you guys bring to the forums:thumbsup:

I'd love to find a solution to this as well! Any time I plug in my HDMI external monitor, the 780m kicks in, fan speed increases noticeably, and the 780m clock speed jumps up. I'll have to try your workaround, as I'm curious if it will work on my setup as well. As to a better real solution, in the past I has to use a Nvidia Powermizer "switch" program on my old 260m to get it to automatically downclock... I wonder if a solution like that might work for our setup here?



Well, installing 8.1 update now, will report back with any issues or improvements!

EDIT: comment for Kevin@GenTechPC

 

Well, reporting in that Windows 8.1 update has appeared to install without any issues. I just installed the update over my existing Windows 8 install, using all existing drivers.

Definitely a few changes here and there, seems like a decent free update worth the download.

 

is the hard drive Western Digital?